The [pro-abortion] side is defending something that is already legal and socially accepted. For that reason “misinformation” spread in support of that goal is less objectionable.
~Pro-abort commenter “joan” on the difference between pro-choice and pro-life “misinformation” in Jivin J’s Life Links post, November 9
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What an incredibly stupid statement!
But I guess the truth that pro-lifers spread is totally objectionable.
If you’re going to quote me at least quote me in full. Here is the complete statement: “The other side” is defending something that is already legal and socially accepted. For that reason “misinformation” spread in support of that goal is less objectionable. Your movement wants to drastically realign the social order for ideological reasons. That means you are on the offensive. Can you not see the value in combating misinformation spread in pursuit of radical social engineering?
In other words, abortion being legal and accepted is the de facto position. It doesn’t even need to be continually defended because it’s a done deal, and so anything argued in its defense is going above and beyond the fact. In a subsequent post I wrote: I said it’s less [emphasis added] objectionable because it’s not being used for a malicious, antisocial goal, not that it isn’t objectionable at all [emphasis added]. There is no need to rely on misinformation whatsoever to defend the pro-choice position and so for that reason alone it should be avoided at all costs.
Slavery was also legal and socially accepted. In some countries, rape is legal and totally accepted.
Joan, most people don’t like abortion. And it isn’t “accepted”….it’s tolerated. There is a difference.
Let’s see, radical social engineering…that would describe 10,000 years of human civilization?
My tax dollars used for education are clearly being misspent. I’m calling my local school district today to complain!
Joan’s comments are proof that a pro-abort will believe and say ANYTHING to support abortion rights…. providing evidence beyond a shadow of a doubt that ending legal abortion is THE most important human rights issue of the day.
ninek
November 10th, 2010 at 11:35 am
I know. She says that like it’s some kind of bad thing.
Would the fact that China has far too few women be “social engineering”?
Don’t they do forced abortions there?
Yesterday’s Drudge Report showed the rise in middlaged non-mothers
wouldn’t that be social engineering?
The only social engineering going on is the pro-aborts.
Pro-lifers rely on natural engineering. LIFE.
Words fail me.
Whoever gave Joan the quote of the day is on shovel duty until Thanksgiving.
As mentioned on another thread, pro-aborts have no standards of conduct. They have already agreed to support and promote the murder of innocent people, so their lies don’t bother them a bit. But for us, even they hold a higher standard. Knowing we are on the side of right, even they demand we act purely. Deep in their guts they know we are right. They are uncomfortable and constantly kick against the goad. With every complaint, every shrill unreasonable argument, with every greedy request for money, all the abortionists dig their own holes. The American public, soon followed by the rest of the world, are waking up to the truth.
I do dream: One day, all children will be equal, the planned and unplanned, the wanted, and the unwanted. One day all children will have an equal opportunity to live out their natural lives. One day, children will hear a rumor, that something called abortion once existed. They will cringe. They will not believe it. One day, abortion will be something only archeologists and anthropologists know about. Abortion will be a byword, a reproach, the ancient memory of a curse. One day, all babies will develop safe in their mother’s wombs. Some will not make it because of natural disease or accidental injury, but never again will a baby face the threat of elective death. Maranatha, Jesus, mara natha.
” Knowing we are on the side of right, even they demand we act purely. ”
Of course, if you’re “on the side of right”, you shouldn’t have any trouble acting purely in the first place. Right? I’ve seen some flagrantly dishonest “pro-life” rhetorical tricks used here.
” Some will not make it because of natural disease or accidental injury”
Isn’t that sort of an abortion by God?
Joan, by your thinking, any accident that would occur to, say, an adult human being would also be a sort of retro-active abortion, or murder, by God. So should it be okay for us to just murder people? Why this feverish defense of killing? I think women are awesome. I think we’ve been oppressed enough. I think that the last thing we should be fighting for is the “choice” to kill our own children so we can keep our jobs or our boyfriends. So backwards, Joan. Why do you people have such hatred for pro-lifers who actually HELP WOMEN who don’t abort? When did abortion change from an act of desperation (which it will always be) to a blatant gesture of so-called “liberty” or “choice”….? Yeah, killing our babies is SOOOO liberating. **EYE ROLL**
Joan,
Define for us specifically what we say that constitutes “misinformation”.
Science, medicine, technology are on our side, not yours; not to mention God and history. All your side has is the assertion of raw political will. It is you who have engaged in social engineering by first engaging in verbal engineering.
So I patiently await you bill of indictment re: misinformation.
So joan – if it’s socially accepted – then please, tell us about your abortion experiences.
If you don’t want to – then can we accept that as evidence that abortion is NOT socially accepted?
If you didn’t have an abortion experience – then on what basis should we accept your assertion that someone else’s abortion experience (like Carla’s account) is “misinformation” (as you refer to it in your most extensive quote)?
It’s your claim – the burden of proof is on you.
(*sigh*) Y’all are going to be shovelling troll poo for the remainder of the next fiscal year, at this rate…
“Define for us specifically what we say that constitutes “misinformation”.
Science, medicine, technology are on our side, not yours; not to mention God and history. All your side has is the assertion of raw political will. It is you who have engaged in social engineering by first engaging in verbal engineering.”
You just answered your own question and provided a great example of misinformation: someone who has shown no facility with “science, medicine, technology” rhetorically invoking those things as qualifications that somehow elevate his personal beliefs to factual status despite being so remarkably mediocre at making and defending arguments that he simply has no cogent, on-point responses to anything I say. I appreciate you volunteering yourself as an instructive example of a purveyor of misinformation.
Pfft.
All I’ve got to say.
Chris Arsenault: when have I claimed that Carla’s “abortion experience” is misinformation? I accept her factual claim that she had an abortion and, based on some post hoc moral calculus, determined that it was an act of murder and thus has been beating herself up over it ever since. However, claiming, based on her own experience, that all or most women who have the same procedure end up feeling the same guilt that she did is certainly misinformation.
On the more serious note, I’ll just repeat what I said on previous thread:
“The other side” is defending something that is already legal and socially accepted.
Legal? Yes, in most of the countries (not all though). Socially accepted? Not a chance. If it was socially accepted women (and men) would talk about it left and right, never making a big deal of it. As it is – a lot of women don’t talk about their abortions for years, sometimes never. Why do you think the “tweeting” abortion was such a big deal? And why do you think there’s this stigma with abortion? No, don’t blame pro-lifers with that, it was always there. When a woman finds out she’s pregnant, what does she say? “OMG, I’m gonna have a baby!” Every single woman in her heart of hearts knows that pregnancy = baby. THAT’S why it’s such a big deal. I haven’t heard of a woman who after seeing positive pregnancy test would just yawn and say to herself – “ah, the clump of cells is there, I’ll go sort it out next week” and would go about her business without giving it a second thought. If abortion WAS so socially acceptable and such a minor thing as going to the dentist, THAT would be expected reaction from a woman, isn’t?
Joan,
Thats a really lame response. Now, since you seem to believe that the science, medicine and technology are NOT on our side, furnish the specifics. If I’m so mediocre, then show me your excellence at detail.
“Thats a really lame response. Now, since you seem to believe that the science, medicine and technology are NOT on our side, furnish the specifics. If I’m so mediocre, then show me your excellence at detail.”
It’s not my responsibility to prove a negative. You made the claim that you have those things on your side. I pointed out that I haven’t witnessed so much as a drop of evidence that you do. Therefore, before I can rebut your “science, medicine and technology” I must first see you present some “science, medicine and technology”.
Everybody knows abortion is murder.
The evidence? That nice, free, old-fashioned sanitary pad they give you in the pre-procedure room. It’s not to catch rainwater, ladies.
Vannah, you beat me to it! I’ve gotta figure out an icon for sticking your tongue out! :)
joan said: However, claiming, based on her own experience, that all or most women who have the same procedure end up feeling the same guilt that she did is certainly misinformation.
In your opinion.
It’s :P, Hans. ;) (colon, Capital P)
joan
Chris Arsenault: when have I claimed that Carla’s “abortion experience” is misinformation? I accept her factual claim that she had an abortion and, based on some post hoc moral calculus, determined that it was an act of murder and thus has been beating herself up over it ever since. However, claiming, based on her own experience, that all or most women who have the same procedure end up feeling the same guilt that she did is certainly misinformation.
Hi Joanie,
You would be hard pressed to find where I have ever said that ALL women experience what I have experienced. Please find and post. Good luck.
So not beating myself up. It is called acceptance. I have accepted the fact that I had my child killed by abortion. Oh, and the guilt is gone as well. Christ hung on the cross for my sin of abortion. He has taken away the guilt and the shame. But you already know that, silly.
This just in: Singer Pink is expecting her first child with husband Carey Hart, according to Us Weekly magazine. “She’s 12 weeks along,”a source told Us Weekly. “She wanted to do it between tours, when she has some time off.”
I think the abortion advocates better contact the media right away. The above report is full of misinformation. Let me write it how an anti-lifer sees it:
Singer Pink has allowed her parasite to remain in her uterus and her husband agrees. “The parasite invaded her body 12 weeks ago,” a source told Us Weekly, “She accepted the parasite’s Application to Reside in Utero because it occured between tours, when she has time off to allow the occupation to continue.”
Go to it!
Lol! Of course, congratulations are in order for Pink and her family! Little human parasites are so durn cute!!
OMG, Now Rolling Stone’s website has been caught spreading MISINFORMATION:
Quote:After months of speculation, Mariah Carey has confirmed that she is pregnant. She announced the big news Thursday on NBC’s Today show. “Yes, we are pregnant,” she said. “It is true.” She said that it has been a “long journey” for her and husband Nick Cannon, adding that she miscarried right after she and Cannon, 29, wed in 2008. She said she is due in spring but didn’t want to say the exact date. She said they have no plans to find out the baby’s sex. Endquote.
Can you even believe Rolling Stone has the nerve, the gall, to publish such a thing!! I am shocked, I tell you, shocked. Here, let’s give it a little abortion friendly overhaul:
After months of speculation, Mariah Careh has confirmed that she carries a human parasite. She announced the unfortunate news Thursday on the Today show. “Yes, we have contracted a parasite,” she said, “It’s true” She said it had been a long journey…adding that God aborted her other parasite shortly after she and her husband were joined together in a patriarchal, oppressive union in 2008. She is due to expel the parasite in the spring, but doesn’t want to find out if it is a male parasite or a female parasite, or even a transgendered parasite.”
Ah, I feel so much better now. Don’t you?
I do feel better!! Thank you for putting it in terms that I could understand! :)
Congrats on the planned parasite, Mariah!!
Whoever gave Joan the quote of the day is on shovel duty until Thanksgiving.
Hey, now, I’ve already BEEN shovelin’. :D And it was Kelsey’s idea, anyway. :P
shortly after she and her husband were joined together in a patriarchal, oppressive union
LOL!!
Joan – what would happen if, just if, you were mistaken – and abortion is the intentional death of a pre-born human child.
what would have you pause and consider the possibility? We grow, we learn, we expand, we love. And in exploring without prejudice, we come to new realizations.
I hope and pray that one day, someday, you come to a new realization about abortion. It’s more than ideology. It’s more than politics. It is real, personal and vitally important.
It’s about whether we allow another to live or die. To love or not.
It’s awfully important to get it right.
Carla,
Your turn or mine to muck out Joan’s pen?
Slavery was once socially acceptable.
““The other side” is defending something that is already legal and socially accepted. For that reason “misinformation” spread in support of that goal is less objectionable. Your movement wants to drastically realign the social order for ideological reasons. That means you are on the offensive. Can you not see the value in combating misinformation spread in pursuit of radical social engineering?”
Rephrase for a moment.
“Slave owners” are defending something that is already legal and socially acceptable. For that reason “misinformation” spread in support of slavery is less objectionable. The movement to free slaves wants to drastically realign the social order for ideological reasons. That means you are on the offensive. Can you not see the value in combating misinformation spread in pursuit of radical social engineering?
How about this one?
“The Gestapo(or the Nazis or Hitler)” are (is) defending something that is already legal and socially acceptable. For that reason “misinformation” spread in support of Hitler’s regime is less objectionable. The insurgence wants to drastically realign the social order for ideological reasons. That means you are on the offensive. Can you not see the value on combating misinformation spread in pursuit of radical social engineering?
Better yet, how about this one?
“D.A. Henry Wade (of Roe v. Wade)” is defending the current legal norm (as in, abortion being an offense). For that reason “misinformation” spread in support of Wade’s goal (to keep the social norm) is less objectionable. Norma McCorvey (aka “Jane Roe”) wants to drastically realign the social order for ideological reasons. That means she is on the offensive. Can you not see the value in combating misinformation spread in pursuit of radical social engineering?
Gee, though. Those other versions don’t look quite so cute and cuddly to you, do they, Joan?
Perhaps this has less to do with socially accepted norms and more to do with your personally accepted ideology. Hmmm?
Gerard,
You guys party too late for me!! :)
I don’t mind mucking out the stalls. You have more patience feeding the trolls than I do.