Stanek weekend question I: Is it true the pro-life movement is “clearly really well organized”?
Written by Sparky at The Abortioneers blog this week:
The anti-abortion movement is clearly really well organized. They have created websites that list abortion providers names and addresses, they terrorize suppliers, and physicians who have any professional relationships with abortion providers even if they aren’t providing. Its really sick. They have successfully infiltrated the department of health and hospitals and thus inhibited women’s access to abortion in the state where I live and work. I feel like I’m telling them they are winning because I know some sick radical anti is probably reading this now.
This sick radical is always intrigued to read the other side’s view of us. Do you think Sparky’s analysis is correct? Is the pro-life movement “clearly really well organized”? If so, any thoughts on why?
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
I actually don’t think all pro-lifers are so well organized, but we are tenacious. That’s because we’re fighting for the very lives of members of our species. We are better organized now, but look how many years it took to mobilize so many people. The abortion industry’s roots go far back and they’ve been selling this idea of sexual freedom without responsibility, and frankly it’s been hard to compete. I can’t help but think how whiny abortion advocates are right now (and shrill and bullying) after only a few short years of substantial pro-life gains. They’ve had their way for so long, they don’t know what to do with themselves. They thought abortion was a done deal and are just waking up to how underestimated the pro-life movement has been.
If Sparky thinks pro-lifers “terrorize” anyone, then I invite her to visit Iran, or perhaps China, so she can see what terrorizing actually is.
If Sparky thinks pro-lifers “terrorize” anyone, then I invite her to visit Iran, or perhaps China, so she can see what terrorizing actually is.
OR she could just imagine she is a baby in the womb about to be aborted.
I think we’re getting there… not as well organized as I would like. And the devil splinters us far more often than I like to recognize. But at the same time, I don’t mind if the other side is getting nervous… Maybe they’ll start to question themselves and come to the Pro-life side :D
Randy from Pro-life Rocks thinks there is a huge divide because of the Catholic/Protestant/Secular thing and things that until we can mesh better we won’t really succeed…
I however, get along well enough with my Catholic friends and 99% of my non-religious friends are not pro-life, though I know this is not true for the rest of the country, where I live is very odd…
But following Jill, Live Action, Bryan Kemper, Living Waters/Way of the Master, Students for Life of American, Personhood USA, Right to Life…the list goes on…I get a ton of info and the main “leaders” are always in communication with each other.
I think it goes pretty well…never really thought too much about it though :)
Of course, it’s all different when proaborts host websites on how to find abortion mills online…
http://moronicprochoicequotes.blogspot.com/2012/01/oh-noez-searchable-database-of-abortion.html
LOL
Ninek, as always, you put it very well :)
I believe we are organized!! And also driven, convicted, passionate and growing stronger by the day. Did I mention younger? Yeah. Our movement has the younger generation!
We are all united in one common purpose(to end the killing)and there is something about meeting someone who is just as passionate.
Case in point. The prolife folks here have become very good friends of mine. I have talked to several on the phone, exchanged emails and become facebook friends. I have met several post abortive women here as well. There is relationship.
I have yet to see that happen with Doug, Joan, CC or Reality. They rarely engage each other.
We are NOT organized to terrorize or infiltrate but both of those words fit the proabortion crowd quite nicely.
Probably not so well organized as better able to mobilize. But much better organized than pro-choicers.
With that being said, funnily enough, I don’t know any other pro-life people, though there was a woman who had a “choose life” tag around here. Of course, I happen to live in Central Florida, which isn’t exactly a bastion of pro-liferism, so that could have something to do with it.
But abortionists aren’t terrorizing unborn babies at all. SMH.
Some Guy – I hear you! I live in New Jersey which is a very “liberal” state…my pro-life friends are far and few and among them only 2 actually stand up beyond saying “I’m pro-life.”
There are a lot of Catholic churches and Knights of Columbus in my state who were at the March for Life and I was very glad to run into them :D
But I am not Catholic and all of the Catholic churches in my area are being shut down, anyway…
Wish my own church would jump onto the pro-life movement, and I wish that more young people in my area would do more than just SAY they’re pro-life.
Keep fighting – surprisingly I actually know a hand-full of pro-life people in Florida haha prob. just as many as I know in my own state – hope you find them! ^_^
It’s been really good to connect with people from this blog or from the 180 Movie FB page who I can add and be online buddies with to help me stay in touch with the movement!
The pro-life movement has the might and money of the Catholic Church behind them. They have Fox News which has been unwavering in its support of the bishops and the pro-life movement. What more could they ask for?
“We are NOT organized to terrorize or infiltrate but both of those words fit the proabortion crowd quite nicely”
We don’t have websites dedicated to publishing personal information (including addresses) of our “enemies.” We don’t stand outside your churches and your CPC’s (as far as I know) and harass you with bizarre street carnival antics and visuals – something that does terrorize patients who walk into a clinic.
When our efforts are God led, Spirit driven and Christ honoring, then YES…they are organized because God is a God of order…not chaos. There may not be as much money, soldiers or resources backing the battle for Life of the preborn…but when did God ever need any of that to win a battle? We must keep speaking Truth in love to the deceived, keep standing in the gap for the preborn and rest in the assurance that the battle is the Lord’s…thus a victory is guaranteed :)
Eh…yes and no. As has been pointed out, there is a lot of sharing around and communication among pro-life “leaders.” And generally speaking we try to back each others’ plays rather than spoil them.
But I think that what Sparky is envisioning–some big, complicated, underground, shadow group (with rankings and secret sigils and swishy black capes!)–is essentially the same thing that we all like to think about groups opposing us. They must be in it together. They must all be in cahoots. They must have this vast network of EVIL spies and they’re everywhere, man!!! (Which, okay, we are everywhere, but the rest of it is totally bananas.) When you group people together in your head, then it’s easy to get the idea they must all be actively working together. Like that question tourists get asked a lot. “I knew an American once. Do you know [name-of-person-you’ve-never-heard-of]?”
So, yes, I do believe we’re fairly well-organized. Just not the way that she seems to be meaning it.
The army of life is growing and they are much younger then the pro-abortion army….
The young families that are pro-life, are having twice or more, the number of children then the choicers……
Just saying……i
LOL @ CC-I think the recent Komen debacle proves that the billions of dollars behind the abortion lobby are quite evidently at work in everything they do, including bullying other orgs into submission. I realize prolife is a convenient platform for your Catholic hate speech and bigotry though, so don’t let me interrupt your falsehoods.
We’re coming for you, CC. Muahaha. Us Catholics have a lot of nerve funding our own church with our own money, huh. Who do we think we are, free Americans who have a constitutional right to worship as we see fit? You funny. I’m going fishing, battle on people.
funny how liberals expect tolerance and want everyone to be tolerant of abortion gay marriage etc. lets just say for the sake of saying so that we were. we arent shown the same when we are against something they are not. why do they care so if women regret their abortions? why do they care if we love God? come on bastions of tolerance. you want yours so let us have ours.
Passionate – yes, because there is a lot of activity at all levels (small protests up to large legislative efforts)
Coordinated – heck no…the simple fact that legislation (like the personhood bills) comes up, and there is terribly run campaigns, poor coordination, and even disagreement between pro-life groups. I’m not sure if there are too many egos involved, too much money involved, or if some folks want to take baby steps while others swing for the fences every time.
I think we are becoming more and more organized every day. Just watch Jill’s ‘like’s’ steadily increase. More women are feeling safe talking about how abortion has hurt them. The Komen/PP issue just might have been the tipping point! Prolifers that didn’t know the connection between the two, do now. PP has now been widely exposed for the power they have and the bullying they do.
We don’t stand outside your churches and your CPC’s (as far as I know) and harass you with bizarre street carnival antics and visuals – something that does terrorize patients who walk into a clinic.
Because you know you’d be welcomed in with open arms. And it is Love that you fear the most.
LOL moronicprochoicequotes – you never fail to crack me up!
Organized? I don’t know enough to say one way or the other. Jill gives me hope. Carla gives me hope. I hear so many good women (and men) on this thread giving up their money and time to help women in crisis. I am so heartened by you all, and when I hear the ramblings of the proaborts and the best arguments they can come up with, I believe we are getting closer to waking America up.
This is the one thing I knoe for sure: We are right. We are right. WE ARE RIGHT. There is absolutely nothing about serving as voices for the unborn that is not good, wholesome, holy, and right. That’s what drives me here every day.
Keep fighting the good fight, Strong Women (and Men)!
We are “clearly really well-organized” insofar as we pro-lifers aren’t nearly as divided amongst ourselves.
At the March in DC several years ago, no one around me was really paying attention to the speakers on the podium. Everyone was just sort of talking amongst themselves in their own groups. In fairness, the speakers were going on too long (sorry, but they were!), they were difficult to hear, and it was cold and yucky out, so people just wanted to keep moving around, but it struck me at the time that what I was looking at at the March kind of symbolized the prolife movement overall, ie, everyone in his or her own circle, and every circle just kind of doing its own thing. In light of our overall disunity, and for other reasons, it seemed to me for a long time that the fact that the prolife movement made any gains at all was much more related to the truth of our position than the effectiveness of us as messengers.
Things really seem to be improving for prolifers vis-a-vis organization, leadership, strategy, better tactics (ie, becoming more loving/normal and less angry/crazy), etc. It’s true also though that the people I think of as current prolife leaders, eg, Lila Rose, Jill Stanek, Abby Johnson, et al, have the absolutely huge advantage of blogs and social media, which their predecessors didn’t have.
The religious divide, to the extent that it exists, is bothersome in part because one could be an atheist and still should be able to see the rightness of the prolife position. All we really need to appeal to is people’s reasonableness and sense of right and wrong.
I wish we just half as organized as this guy says. Abortion would have stopped in the US a long time ago. We are too apathetic —– stepped into the world and away from God.
Barbara – Very true, a good % of my friends and family are pro-life but do NOTHING to stop abortion.
I would have to say, just in light of the recent events, that we are not as well organized as we’d like to be. We have great pro-life leaders now, there are churches of every denomination coming out to support life(as seen by the numbers at this years March for Life)and we have internet connections to resources that can give us up-to-date information as it happens. But we are lacking. I can only speak for myself when I say that I have only defended life emphatically when things like SGK initially pulled funds from PP(or so we thought). I was on mom chats defending our faith, on Facebook on SGK’s page defending pro-life…but where was I before that? Not as “on-fire” about defending life, though if anyone asked I was happy to tell them where I stood on the issue. But I could’ve done more! I could’ve gone and volunteered time to my local Birthright organization that takes care of women and their crisis pregnancies with out sending them to an abortion mill. I could’ve donated some of my free time(even if it’s rare)to just pray the rosary in front of a local PP or abortion clinic. Why does it take a fire for me to move?! Well I learned my lesson this time. I love buying baby clothes, so I contacted my local Birthright to see if they accepted donations. They do! Every month I’m going to donate baby items to BR to encourage women to seek help from organizations like this that are willing to help them, make them feel loved and supported. At my next women’s group meeting, I’m going to suggest we donate a monetary amount to a pro-life org. to help fund more pro-life movements. Even if I can only afford a $1 a month, it’s more than I’m giving now. And next time the opposition comes around, we’ll be prepared for them! Think modern day Joan of Arc! Defenders of our faith, of life, for God!
I don’t think we’re as well organized as we sometimes like to think we are. The Guiding Star Project http://www.theguidingstarproject.com is a model for pro-life groups to work cooperatively in super-centers, similar to how PP works by sometimes sharing space with allied groups. The idea is simple enough, get pro-life, pro-women groups who value all human life to work together and cut costs by sharing a large space, thus making it easier for clients to access several services AND providers easier access to women in need. The fact that there has been oppostition to a plan that makes so much financial and spiritual sense is to me an indication that we had let dark forces infilitrate our movement and keep us from working together. The amount of unspoken competition that can be seen at the local levels of the pro-life movement betray our vocal commitements to the success of other groups in the movement. But I do think we can overcome this and that by creating competing centers, we WILL be able to stand up to PP with Guiding Star Centers and change the cultural tide towards LIFE.
Sparky thinks that there are “maybe like 2000 or 3000 really well-organized anti-choice activists.” She is impressed and disgusted that even with so few of us, we have “infiltrated the department of health and hospitals” and “limited access to abortion” in her state.
The reality is much worse than that, Sparky. There are tens of millions of us. We are everywhere. And we are loosely organized into dozens of organizations with hundreds of local chapters. Fighting the pro-life movement is like playing Whack-A-Mole — knock one down, and two more pop up.
We have dozens of strategic initiatives — CPC’s, sidewalk counselling, undercover stings, dumpster diving, legislative action, litigative action, prayer power, highway billboards, Marches For Life, 40 Days For Life, etc., etc.
Well organized? No, it’s much worse than that!
We are Legion.
The weakness of the abortion industry is the same weakness as all centralized, socialists systems: It has a head — Planned Parenthood. Cut off the head, and the body will fall. And Planned Parenthood is dependent upon socialist support — the taxpayer dollars that fund 45% of their annual budget.
Which means that we don’t have to defeat Planned Parenthood. We only have to defang Obama.
Amen, Del!
The message needs to come through at the pulpit. I’m sure this has been discussed before on this blog. The pastors need to be talking about this and telling women and men that are post-abortive they are loved and can heal, no matter how much shame they have. Fear is paralyzing and if pastors would talk about it more, I think the numbers of pro-life individuals would increase and from there the desire to organize. Just reading about it in the church bulletin is not enough. Rachel’s Vineyard and Silent No More, and the other ministries of healing are wonderful – don’t mean to sound defeatist. I just believe it’s not talked about enough.
I agree, Doe…my church doesn’t speak out at all :\
Luckily my youth group leader back in high school DID, very strongly, and taught us all about abortion and why it was wrong scientifically, politically, and Biblically…but the rest of the church never really got behind her *sigh*
But I’m back from college now and hopefully can help out.
I was also thinking about 40 Days for Life. I was inactively pro-life until 40 Days got me off the couch. I increased my activity to volunteering etc. and it’s been great finding out how many pro-lifers are out there. I’m honored to be fighting shoulder to shoulder with all of you. :>) Praise God!
What Sparky is describing is not “organized” per se.
I’ll put some words in her mouth (hope you don’t mind, Sparky, babe) and say that the onslaught of pro-life activities coming from all sides makes it seem that it’s organized. But it’s not.
Something Sparky did not mention is that ever since Obama was elected, prolifers have doubled down and are even more determined to stop him and his commitment to the abortion agenda. His presidency has been a rude awakening to say the least. And prolifers, as well as Tea Partiers, are doing everything possible to stem the tide.
Something else: The generation that survived Roe v. Wade has grown up, seen the damage, and have found their voice.
Ultrasounds are not a prochoicer’s friend.
” Us Catholics have a lot of nerve funding our own church with our own money, huh.”
Muahaha – Don’t you know that Catholic organizations get lots of federal money through grants and Medicare/Medicaid reimbursements? So if they don’t want to obey the law, perhaps it’s time to pull that taxpayer supported funding. And if you’re talking about religious liberty, should it be OK for a hospital, that believes in female circumcision, to get a waiver to be able to do that (it’s currently illegal in the US). Or if somebody wanted to start an all whites religion, would it be OK for them to refuse to treat blacks because it was against their religious principals. This Catholic thing isn’t about religious liberty. It’s about the declining power of the Catholic church, in an increasingly secular society that values women’s reproductive freedom, to control even their own women – 98% of whom use birth control.
“Ultrasounds are not a prochoicer’s friend.”
So you’re admitting that they are, in essence, ways to guilt trip women?
“The message needs to come through at the pulpit”
But what do you do about those pulpits that provide validation of abortion? Bring out the Spanish Inquisition?!
“PP has now been widely exposed for the power they have and the bullying they do.”
Surely you know that Komen has been under pressure (bullying?) from the anti-choicers for some time. Pink bibles, used for Komen fund raising, were recalled by a Southern Baptist publisher because of Komen’s connection to Planned Parenthood. A Catholic bishop told parishes and schools in his diocese to stop fund raising for Komen for the same reason.
So please spare us the talk about bullying. Komen was in the process of caving to the forced birthers, especially in their hire of the virulently anti-choice Handel, and they got hoisted on their own petards. Cry me a river.
Yes, CC, Catholic hospitals take medicare patients and are reimbursed by medicare, same as secular hospitals. Scandalous, isn’t it (eyeroll) love your new ‘female circumcision’ hysteria meme-you might want to check with your feminist buddy Amanda Marcotte, who thinks female genital mutilation is a good idea, unlike Catholics.
Yeah, the nerve of that pastor, wanting those pink bibles pulled because the Gospel message is not one of ‘live as you want and dismember others’. I mean, who does he think he is, a free American who can worship as he pleases and stand up for his God? What a bully. Pharmacists, on the other hand, should be forced to put whatever the abortion lobby demands on the shelves for easy access. Conscience clauses only apply to libs, naturally.
Shrieek! What hysteria driven meme will CC come up with next? Ya never know-since she’s making it up as she goes, your guess is as good as mine.
“So if they don’t want to obey the law, perhaps it’s time to pull that taxpayer supported funding.”
You do know that this law has NOTHING to do with taxpayer funding, right? The mandate applies to everyone (except those covered by the narrow exemption).
You know, I was going to point out how ridiculous CC is to unironically equate a quiet, barely-publicized boycott of SGK to the slobbering media blitz attack of PP. But the truth is, if she can make that comparison at all, she’s already living in fantasyland. But it is worth highlighting, because it really is a shockingly fallacious comparison. So, this is me with a neon yellow marker.
“CLEARLY REALLY WELL ORGANIZED”?
Excuse me. I just spat tea all over my keyboard.
We’re a scattershot conglomeration of people, some of whom band together coherently but most of whom are out there on their own, sometimes accomplishing great things, sometimes flailing about ineffectually.
The “clearly well organized” thing is just a scare tactic to raise money for abortion advocacy purposes.
“I was going to point out how ridiculous CC is to unironically equate a quiet, barely-publicized boycott of SGK to the slobbering media blitz attack of PP”
PORTLAND – A dispute over Planned Parenthood funding has led Catholic bishops to pull their support for the Susan G. Komen For the Cure foundation for breast cancer research.
In the letter dated Friday, September 1, the American Life League said Roman Catholic bishops in Ohio ordered a ban on raising funds in their dioceses’ institutions, after a report showed 18 Komen affiliates gave more than half a million dollars in grants to Planned Parenthood last year
http://www.kgw.com/home/Catholic-bishops-pull-support-for-Komen-over-abortion-concerns-129128143.html
It was only “quiet” because that evil MSM didn’t provide much coverage of the pressure being put on Komen from groups like the American Life League which had been boycotting it. That all the dioceses in Ohio were told to stop fundraising might have been “barely publicized” but the net effect of that wasn’t “quiet.”
So can we say, what goes around comes around. Looks like we, who stand for Planned Parenthood, have some power that you thought we lacked. Shows how much you know. Komen knows it know. We’re here, some of us are “queer,” and we’re not going away any time soon.
“You do know that this law has NOTHING to do with taxpayer funding, right? The mandate applies to everyone (except those covered by the narrow exemption).”
The Catholic institutions are getting federal dollars. The bishops are saying that they won’t follow the law. Should tax payers be on the hook for an institution that violates the law? (Anticipating your argument for Planned Parenthood – they are not, as are the Catholic bishops, saying that they are or will disobey the law and so far, there is no evidence that they have.)
And another scenario involving “religious liberty.” Should a Jehovah’s witness hospital be allowed to deny coverage for their employee’s blood transfusions?
But back to the issue. Pro-life is well organized with large money donors and very active lobbying groups which include a major religious group. I don’t know why this is even a question.
“Pharmacists, on the other hand, should be forced to put whatever the abortion lobby demands on the shelves for easy access”
Yup. If it’s legal and there are no age restrictions.
“Should a Jehovah’s witness hospital be allowed to deny coverage for their employee’s blood transfusions?” Yes. Employees should know that upfront. Are there any Jehovah’s Witness hospitals? I wasn’t able to find any in a search.
What federal dollars are who getting, and what laws are being violated? Vague, much? Let’s see some sources for whatever you’re alluding to.
Planned Parenthood has never violated the law? Really? Go hit the Live Action site and watch videos of them violating the law (anticipating your ‘those videos are fake’ strawman)
Should a JW hospital be able to say no to blood transfusions? Yes. Just as Catholic hospitals should be able to say no to doing abortions. Like abortion? Go have one somewhere else.
Who are these mysterious ‘large money donors’ to prolife? Names?
Until I actively joined pro-life work, 10 years ago, I had no idea that there was no center to the movement. Pregnant – who to call? Planned Parenthood for abortion. To keep your baby, umm if Catholic call xxx, Evangelical yyy, non-denom or agnostic zzz. This is WRONG. There needs to be a national group like PPh for Pro-Life work. In my area I am literally sick of the inability of the different orgs to work together – even for 40 Days for Life. That is what needs to happen. At this point Priests for Life is at the forefront of working across faith lines, but not big enough to take on PPh and the word Priests will be enough for some women to not call. anyway, my 2˘.
“Should a JW hospital be able to say no to blood transfusions? Yes. Just as Catholic hospitals should be able to say no to doing abortions. ”
Even if someone would die? I mean, I definitely believe in conscience clauses but there has to be a limit somewhere.
@Amber, thanks, which is why I brought forth the issue. My church pastors only talk about it occasionally, sadly.
@Tota Tua, that is a great idea. Forming a national group, consisting of the various church denominations as well as secularprolife groups would be awesome.
Yes I think it is true that the anti-choice movement is “clearly really well organized”.
But so are some pigeon-racing clubs and stamp collecting clubs.
Of course if the pigeon fanciers or the stamp collectors started a campaign to dictate that everyone must have pigeons or collect stamps then it wouldn’t matter how well organized they were, people would resist.
Jack,
Exceptions are what got us where we are now, with abortion on demand for any reason at any time. Proaborts figured out very quickly after Roe was passed how to hand control to the abortionist and let him/her make the final call as to whether abortion was medically indicated. They realized Roe isn’t based on when life begins, or personhood, but on privacy rights. And no I’m not suggesting letting people die without blood transfusions-this is a good example of why it’s a good idea to have power of attorney, living will and instructions on where you’re to be taken in case of emergency if you object to a certain hospital’s practices or ethics (and to keep said instructions on your person-there are now electronic keychain sized devices that you can carry with you for this exact purpose, as well as medical info). I assume most proaborts aren’t stupid enough to go to a Catholic hospital for an abortion, just like most of us know not to go to Burger King for a Big Mac. If we start telling people to violate their consciences in order to appease others, we’re opening the door to Socialism. No thanks, I’ll take a free market society any day.I wouldn’t patronize any hospital that believed ending life constitutes care in any form, legal or not.
I don’t know how well-organized we are, but I know we’re growing. I think it’s hilarious when the liberals show up at the March for Life and point their cameras at the 100 or so pro-aborts but refuse to pan across the 400,000+ people marching to protect the unborn. Thanks to you, Jill and many other pro-life media and bloggers, we still have a voice. The mainstream media look more ridiculous by the day when they continue to ignore us.
Now that Obama and HHS have finally crossed the line with contraception/abortion mandate against the Catholic Church, the pro-life movement will certainly fight to defend life even more.
That rumbling you hear? That’s the sound of most of the country shifting to the right. Prolife is the majority now, and we’re not going anywhere. Get used to it.
CC and her obssession with female genital mutilation-what country are you living in? Because we don’t do that here. Enough with the hysteria. Still waiting for those names.
I think that rumbling you hear is the freedom bear being woken from its slumber by the sound of fundamentalists treading on choice. The bear is not pleased and will stand its ground to defend its territory.
Even a bear protects her cubs. Sometimes even from their sire. We should expect at least as much from humans.
Waiting for someone to explain to me how I am a “fundamentalist”.
There are a number of species where even the females will kill their young Hans.
1. A usually religious movement or point of view characterized by a return to fundamental principles, by rigid adherence to those principles, and often by intolerance of other views and opposition to secularism.
3. strict adherence to any set of basic ideas or principles: the fundamentalism of the extreme conservatives.
The words in bold in the first one x.
“or point of view characterized by a return to fundamental principles, by rigid adherence to those principles, and often by intolerance of other views”
All pro-lifers are fundamentalist, in your mind Reality? Am I a fundamentalist?
3. strict adherence to any set of basic ideas or principles
By this definition, pro-aborts are fundamentalists.
I can personally attest to the splitting and division within the pro-life movement. I own and run the site: http://www.abortion-support.com
This site is set up to attract women looking for an abortion and then in turn they are referred out to a pregnancy center in the location nearest to them. I run this site without a dollar from anyone. There have been almost 100,000 women looking for an abortion come to this site and I have personally received many emails from women that were struggling with what to do with their unwanted pregnancy. Many lives have been saved as a result. That is the good news.
The bad news is the pro-life community is totally unwilling to help. I have appealed to many pro-life groups for funding so we can open it up even more through search engine optimization and as a result the returns would explode. I have had some groups tell me that the only way they would help (in any way) is if I would put up pictures on my site of aborted babies. Others have ignored any requests at all. I have been promised assistance and had a well-respected leader in the pro-life movement, go completely against her word. Still, one of the biggest names in the movement told me that he wanted me to channel all the web traffic to his site and he might give some assistance down the line.
Is the pro-life movement organized? No. No. Not at all. If it were we would be far ahead of where we are now. I run my site without any help form others and will continue to do so because I am not in this for the money. I am in it for one reason: To see babies live, that’s all. Unfortunately, I can only do so much without assistance. Some big names are in this for more than life, they are in it for a business and that is a big part of the problem (politically and corporately).
Not so well organized or united, but no one can beat our level of focus-if we stay tuned to the selling point of life is good. If the movement really wanted to stop acting so frightened-and now is the time-(Notice Obama dropped his Twin Towers sized bomb against pro-life organizations during pro-life month)-to attack abortion, create fluid and charitable dialog between parties-end negative gossip about each other’s groups and habits, UNITE and zero-in on the lobbying force from whence this MANDATE was derived, and prepare for all it’s forthcoming derivative exploits, so they can be easily deferred and we can be ready for more from the other team-believe me, they have a game plan-they think they are playing battleship here-we should recognize it’s time for their bed time-I say that as a potential mother-not as some one who would engage in literal physical battle.
People considering themselves pro-choice have no grounds to stand on.
That lie is obliterated when you watch films like ‘silent scream,’ or read Abbey Johnson’s testimony. Pre-borns, when confronted with a force opposing their young lives-a cannula, and an abortion “Dr.” move away-they scream, they kick-we can see this-technically & legally “aborting,” alive is murder. A fetus is not only alive-he or she is also already a discerning and autonomous sentient being capable of telling the difference between a loving force and a hateful one.
Pro-abort’s are actually weaker on their focus but better funded-sex sells.
BUT-here’s the catch:
How we perceive the viability of America’s FUTURE is what determines the value of the dollar.
The dollar has gone down since abortion was made legal, & since billions have been poured into abortion, maybe trillions.
Either those for life win this debate soon, or America will be aborted via the lost value system our economy was dependant on. A good idea would be to make sure companies giving to PP know they have been unknowingly committing to their gradual decline. How much has Johnson and Johnson’s baby powder lost in profits-and Disneyland?
These are both companies that don’t know they cut profits by executing their clientele-people spend huge amounts of money on their kids-American’s spend just as much money on kids they did not want initially as we do on kids we ‘planned.’
I’m not sure Jack, do you think there are circumstances where abortion is ok?
Not quite Lrning, “intolerance of other views” – I would never tell someone to have an abortion but you would tell others not to.
Killing a pre-born human is about as intolerant of that human as can possibly be.
Killing a human, at any stage of development, is absolutely imposing your deadly views on them.
Meanwhile, the fact that cc has her dander so far up is TOTALLY ENCOURAGING!! Everytime an abortion-monger complains, a living baby giggles! Heck, everytime you whine, I giggle! Make me laugh, abortion fans, make me laugh. Remember, it’s a vast conspiracy… babies are trying to take over the world!
“the fundamentalism of the extreme conservatives.”
Right. It evidently hasn’t occurred to this person that taking an innocent life to solve a problem is pretty “extreme.”
Carla: I have yet to see that happen with Doug, Joan, CC or Reality. They rarely engage each other.
Carla, depends on what one wants. I’ve replied to many of their posts, but perhaps the social aspect of this blog is somewhat different for the 4 of us than it is for you, personally? I’ve met plenty of people from a wine forum I’m on, and will continue to do so in the future, and have met a few pro-choicers from the old AOL Abortion boards,