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Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
“No nation, no society, no community can hold its head high and claim to be part of the civilised world if it condones the practice of discriminating against one half of humanity represented by women.”
Well said, Mr, Singh. Yet this is not really about abortion. The article said that tests to determine the sex of the fetus are already illegal.
This is really about the cultural discrimination against women that is deeply ingrained there, as in China, etc. Having abortion be illegal would not change that.
Given that there is sentiment against sex-selection abortions in India, were it the case that they did not occur, it seems obvious that objections to abortion would decrease.
Meanwhile, the underlying problem – how women are treated and the cultural bias against them – remains.
Cheers! Well said, Doug.
Yes, abortion does not discriminate, it kills women as well as men.
No nation, no society, no community can continue to kill unborn children in the womb and claim to be part of the civilized world if it condones the murder of its most indefensible citizens. For it doing so it will no longer possess a head to even consider holding high since it will cease to be a nation, a society, a community, for the heavy price it must inevitably pay for allowing such evil will cause it to collapse under the weight of peripheral, unintended and unforseen effects and consequences.
I know the battle belongs to the Lord, HisMan but do you ever find yourself feeling weary? So many atrocities in the news, in our own backyards. I lament on a daily basis.
Meanwhile, the underlying problem – how women are treated and the cultural bias against them – remains.
So it’s not the purposeful targetting and murdering of women that’s the problem, but societal racism that fuels this purposeful targetting and murdering of women…
okay…
What if the tables were turned? What if baby boys were targetted and murdered by mothers because they seen men as oppressors?
Is the targetting and murderering of particular types of unborn people (disabled, male, female, etc.) ever okay?
Carla:
Yes I do feel weary when I rely on my own strength since I am just a man.
The Lord tells us in His word that in the last days there will be terrible times, so, this should come as no surprise. He also tells us that when these things happen to “watch and wait for your redemption is near”.
He also tells us in Revelations that we win and can look forward to a glorius future in heaven, an eternity with God.
So as Paul said, “I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me”.
As Jesus said, “Greater am I that is in you than he that is in the world”, and, “Be of good cheer, I have overcome the world”.
Being a Christian is a journey that is more like a marathon than a sprint, for God is preparing a future that we cannot even fathom or imagine.
Hang in there, He is with you and you will make it.
Carla:
“The joy of the Lord is my strength”
Isaiah 40:31
“but those who hope in the LORD
will renew their strength.
They will soar on wings like eagles;
they will run and not grow weary,
they will walk and not be faint.”
Amen, HisMan! Thank you!
What if the tables were turned? What if baby boys were targetted and murdered by mothers because they seen men as oppressors?
Then it’s still a cultural problem. If men are oppressors in the culture, they’re going to continue to be that way, regardless of how many get aborted. Often power is held in the hands of very few… so even if women started to dominate the culture, it doesn’t ensure an upheaval of power. Fight the cultural problem first.
Is the targeting and murdering of particular types of unborn people (disabled, male, female, etc.) ever okay?
I don’t know the answer to that. I think if a couple (or single mom) wants to abort, they should be able to. If we start seeing vast amounts of a certain type of unborn being aborted, perhaps we should look into it.
I know a lot of people abort disabled babies, but perhaps that’s because our society does not provide enough resources for the disabled. If we became a more disabled-friendly nation, perhaps less people would feel compelled to abort because the child would face a disability.
It’s something to think about, anyway.
Edyt,
What is a “vast amount of certain types of unborn” mean to you? YES-let’s look into it, shall we? Do you mean like African American babies or babies with Down Syndrome? We might want to define disability. Some are aborting for a cleft palate, which is absolutely fixable. Is it a disability to be a girl when Mom and Dad really wanted a boy? What about children missing a limb, are blind or deaf? What about children that are aborted for having a disability but are actually perfectly healthy?
There are TONS of resources for parents of children with disabilities, and if there are not, some brave set of parents starts one. One need only google any number of awesome resources.
I am all for thinking and DOING.
Your post brought up a lot of questions for me. :)
One more thought. We will never be a “disabled friendly nation” if we continue to abort the disabled!!
One more thought. We will never be a “disabled friendly nation” if we continue to abort the disabled!!
Posted by: Carla at April 30, 2008 11:29 AM
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Born people cant become disabled?
Have you paid any attention at all to the veterans coming back from Iraq, just as one example?
SSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHH TR,
I am waiting patiently for Edyt and praying for you.
Edyt was talking about abortion and disability so…you know…I was staying on topic. :)
Damn, Carla, if you don’t know what a disability is I suggest you look it up before people start calling you a racist, sexist idiot (or worse) which is what you’re sounding like now.
Um. I am a special ed teacher. Kinda got the disability thing covered thank you. You do not want to discuss? Ok.
The only one who calls me idiot or sexist or racist is TR. Be my guest, Edyt.
Carla, if there are SOOO many resources, why are parents aborting children with disabilities? Do we have a social reason for doing so?
FEAR? When their own family doctor suggests an abortion, someone they trust, and his suggestion is meant to somehow HELP them maybe they think he knows best? After all, he is the doctor.
And no this is not BS. It’s happened to 3 friends of mine whose children died soon after they were born due to their disabilities. They were all encouraged by their doctors to abort their babies.
I really don’t know why someone would abort a child with Down Syndrome, for an example. It is beyond my comprehension.
That’s a possible reason, I guess. I think the doctor’s reasoning would be more along the lines of “don’t let him/her suffer” which is a rational reason to abort, IMO.
Personally… I’ve seen a lot of negativity expressed toward persons with disabilities. Our culture does not accept them as people, and has tried to take away their human rights. I wouldn’t fault a parent for not wanting to raise a disabled child in that kind of environment.
One of my best friends growing up had trouble walking. I don’t recall what she had, but she had a walker and was very frail. It was very hard for her when other kids would stare at her or whisper comments about her or call her names. We may be more “tolerant” today, but we’re certainly not very accepting. I just heard a story on the news the other day about a woman who was mentally disabled due to being hit by a car when she was very young, and her aunt (who was her caretaker) wanted to sterilize her. A horrible example of someone’s human rights being taken away due to disability. The woman won the case and was able to retain her reproductive rights, but still… these things are going on in our society and we need to confront them.
I hear you. Really I do. I met a boy with Down Syndrome when I was 16 and then I knew. I knew that special education would be my life’s work. Teaching, group homes, Special ed summer camp, Special Olympics…you name it. I cannot even begin to tell you the impact that these remarkable people have made on my life.
I think there is major ignorance on all of our parts. My children sometimes whisper and point and I am quick to take them over to someone in a wheelchair and have them introduce themselves. How will they ever know how to treat someone with a disability if they never meet them?
We have much to learn.
Exactly. I remember in high school all the special education students were locked in one room all day, and they got out about half an hour before everyone else and only walked the halls during our class period.
It’s like they were being hidden away out of shame. I know that’s not their intention, but when the disabled are no longer a working and living part of our society, then we have to admit that we are the cause of those abortions.
I do think that what is said to a woman when she finds out she is carrying a child with a disability, has a huge impact. Doctors used to tell people with children who had Down Syndrome(remember when they used to call them Mongoloids?..yeesh)to put them in an institution and forget about them.
Remember that one friend I told you about? Her daughter had anencephaly? The doctor and nurses suggested abortion so many times that DO NOT SUGGEST TERMINATION was printed on their file. I would have found another doctor, but hey, that’s me.
Have a nice evening, Edyt.
Exactly. I remember in high school all the special education students were locked in one room all day, and they got out about half an hour before everyone else and only walked the halls during our class period.
It’s like they were being hidden away out of shame. I know that’s not their intention, but when the disabled are no longer a working and living part of our society, then we have to admit that we are the cause of those abortions.
Posted by: Edyt at April 30, 2008 2:45 PM
Be logical. Trying to blame society collectively for the evil of abortion is WRONG. “WE are NOT the cause”. I am not the cause of any abortions. You need to look yourself in the mirror and see who is in favor of legalized abortion. The ends never justify the means. I am against abortion, you are not. You are responsible since you do nothing to stop it.
Carla 2:51: Remember that one friend I told you about? Her daughter had anencephaly? The doctor and nurses suggested abortion so many times that DO NOT SUGGEST TERMINATION was printed on their file. I would have found another doctor, but hey, that’s me.
Carla, If I were running a hospital I would make sure the files of pro-lifers had a big RED STICKER on the front that said “PRO-LIFE!!
Me too, Janet!
They just couldn’t leave them alone with their suggestion of abortion!! My friends were livid but, needed the high risk pregnancy care and finally everyone Laid Off!!
Be logical. Trying to blame society collectively for the evil of abortion is WRONG.
Uh, Janet, that’s not what I’m saying.
~ Edyt said :2:45: Exactly. I remember in high school all the special education students were locked in one room all day, and they got out about half an hour before everyone else and only walked the halls during our class period.
It’s like they were being hidden away out of shame. I know that’s not their intention, but when the disabled are no longer a working and living part of our society, then we have to admit that we are the cause of those abortions.
~ Janet said: Be logical. Trying to blame society collectively for the evil of abortion is WRONG. “WE are NOT the cause”. I am not the cause of any abortions. You need to look yourself in the mirror and see who is in favor of legalized abortion. The ends never justify the means. I am against abortion, you are not. You are responsible since you do nothing to stop it.
~ Edyt said: 12:11: Uh, Janet, that’s not what I’m saying.
I’ve re-read twice. More succinctly, you seem to be saying that those who treat the disabled as a nuisance/unvalued persons are responsible for the fact that they are aborted. This may be true, but the responsibility cannot be diminished for those who fight for abortion rights in order for those people to get their abortions. They have blood of those babies on their hands as well.
Actually, what I’m saying is: Those who treat the disabled as a nuisance/unvalued persons (or not persons at all) are responsible for the negative societal view of persons with disabilities.
And since we’ve been talking about gender-specific abortions, I think it’s a good example.
In a society where both men and women are equally valued, abortion is not gender-specific.
In a society where both persons with disabilities and those with abilities are equally valued, gender is not disability specific.
I’m not blaming society for the evil of abortion. I am blaming society for the evil of intolerance, of which abortion is but a byproduct.
Sorry, I meant to say: In a society where both persons with disabilities and those with abilities are equally valued, abortion is not disability specific.
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