Proliferations
by JivinJ
One reason that the national board of NARAL, the pro-abortion lobbying organization, endorsed Sen. Barack Obama, and encouraged its state membership to do the same, was a series of behind the scenes conversations between the Obama campaign and NARAL.
“The message was, get on board or risk losing influence,” says an Obama strategist. “We needed one of these [feminist or pro-abortion] groups to step up and walk away from Hillary. NARAL did it, and to its credit under great danger to its credibility with its membership.”
“In my mind, I was thinking about an abortion,” Cuico said. “But I didn’t want to because the baby was already moving in my stomach. I felt sad just thinking about an abortion. It was an emotional roller coaster for the next month….
“I had a change of heart. If I had an abortion, I don’t know how I would’ve lived with myself.”
I had allowed the abortions to leave such a terrible mark on my life. I let it stand in between me and my God for years. I invited the memories to take permanent resident in my mind and heart and prevent me from receiving God’s acceptance and mercy.
Karman also had many detractors, particularly because of his attempt to revolutionize second-trimester abortions with a device called the super coil, which was inserted into the uterus and expanded when exposed to moisture, causing a miscarriage. It caused serious complications, including hemorrhaging and infection, when it was used on about a dozen women in Philadelphia on Mother’s Day in 1972.
“Harvey engaged in some very irresponsible experimentation on women’s bodies,” said Carol Downer, who co-founded feminist women’s health clinics in Southern CA in the 1970s…..
His ultimate goal, according to Darney, who met Karman in the early 1970s, was to “make it possible for women to safely do their own abortions using the simplest possible equipment……”
He said the team visited outlying villages (in Bangladesh) and taught midwives, village chiefs, young girls, “anybody who wanted to learn,” how to use the cannula for an abortion. The method is still used widely there, although it is called menstrual extraction because abortion is banned.
Karman “is responsible for saving the lives of countless women throughout the world through this innovative technology,” Vicki Saporta, president and chief executive of the National Abortion Federation, a professional association for abortion providers based in Washington, D.C., said in an interview last week.
The CA Catholic Daily has more information on Harvey Karman:
Woo’s obituary did not mention that the illegal hotel-room abortion for which Karman was convicted occasioned another obituary more than 50 years ago – that of otherwise healthy Joyce Johnson, who died in April 1955 from sepsis following Karman’s abortion. She was 26. Karman was not then nor did he ever become a physician – but he continued to perform abortions.
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
So you don’t have to be an MD after all to be an abortionist.
Just invent your own straw.
Karman was not then nor did he ever become a physician – but he continued to perform abortions.
Of course he did, right up until 1973, when doctor-performed abortion was legalized. And thank God for that.
If doctor-performed abortion had been legal in 1955, Joyce would probably still be alive today.
Reality,
Where does it say he stopped performing abortions after 1973?
Apparently the National Abortion Federation has no issue with Karman killing a woman and engaging in what Carol Downer called …very irresponsible experimentation on women’s bodies”.
NAF considers him responsible for saving the lives of countless women? I have to wonder how many he injured, maimed and killed with his experimentation both in the US and third world countries.
Karman “is responsible for saving the lives of countless women throughout the world through this innovative technology,”
unless you had the misfortune to be a unborn female….
The guys on Fatherhood Forever seem sick and twisted. Like, they just sleep with anyone who they can, probably not using protection, then refuse to marry the woman and instead just blame her for everything that went wrong. Like most of these women said they would have the baby if they can get married but the men just want to run around having more irresponsible sex.
Like if they really cared why didn’t they just marry the women? And they say how they’re Christians and want to do the right thing then why do they actually commit to the relationship? Oh cause yeah marriage is such a big commitment compared to raising a kid. Not!
Honestly how do you think you can raise a child with a person if you aren’t willing to even marry them?
http://www.fatherhoodforever.org/stories/story011.html
This guy especially seems sick and twisted. I hope he isn’t allowed contact with the child he has because I would hate to think what he would do if she upset him.
No that’s it these guys are creeps I’m not having sex again until I’m married to a nice guy who actually respects me. Cause if they don’t want to commit to me I don’t want to commit to them. End of story.
I’ve got a feeling I’m going to break up with my boyfriend soon. Oh well his loss.
Jess,
Please keep in mind that these stories are being shared sometimes years later when men come to regret their part in an abortion. That is why they are sharing their stories now. They regret it.
Keep reading. There are some very moving stories. I admire their bravery. I believe that men coming forward and the church speaking out against abortion will begin to turn the tide.
Funny that this was brought up. I just found this website. True story #5 made me very sad.
I got the impression from many of the stories that the men wanted the women to have their babies but had no say in what happened. They felt powerless and this made them very angry.
On the one hand we tell men to be responsible but on the other, we won’t let them be what they should be when they do step up to the plate…
Mary,
Where does it say he stopped performing abortions after 1973?
I’m getting that from anti-choicer Christina Dunigan’s blog:
“After Roe v. Wade, Harvey faded away into obscuity and oblivion.”
http://tinyurl.com/6bratl
Is she mistaken?
Reality,
He faded in obscurity and oblivion is what she says but she doesn’t say he discontinued performing abortions. I’m not certain either way.
Whatever, I would think he wouldn’t be honored in any way, especially by NAF. He sounds like he got some kind of sick pleasure from what he did to women.
Jess, I was horrified by that story too. A lot of the men seemed more upset by their loss of control over their woman than they were by the loss of a child.
And did you read the commentary after that story? These are men who are hurting.
Reality, California legalized abortion in 1970, and Karman went to work in San Vicente Hospital (an abortion hospital). There’s a medical journal article with a picture of him slogging away, identified as “Dr. Karman”.
And since when did legalization do diddly-squat to make abortion safer? Abortionists still kill women. They just don’t go to jail for it anymore.
Know what Karman used on those Bangladeshi women in his “humanitarian” effort? PLASTIC SPRINGS AND BALSA WOOD! Yes, model airplane parts. To do abortions. Those rape victims were left with plastic springs and chunks of balsa wood sticking through the walls of their wombs. With friends like Harvey Karman, who needs enemies?
reality, Abortion was LEGAL IN CALIFORNIA from 1970 to 1973, and Karman WAS PERFORMING ABORTIONS AT SAN VICENTE HOSPITAL during that time. Harvey had also opened an abortion facility in New York when they legalized in 1970.
It wasn’t that abortion was legal per se, I think, so much as the fact that Harvey was no longer needed for rallies demanding legalization. No more speaking fees. No more fawning admirers. He was now just another face in the crowd. So he vanished.
According to the LA Times obit, he went to Bangladesh, where evidently he could still get draw a crowd.
Well Gee Whiz Jess,
Isn’t this No that’s it these guys are creeps I’m not having sex again until I’m married to a nice guy who actually respects me. Cause if they don’t want to commit to me I don’t want to commit to them. End of story. what we’ve been trying to tell you all along?
Men use love to get sex.
Women use sex to get love.
Both are wrong.
Sexual freedom is a lie. It means men get sex and women get the consequences. What women in her right mind would give her body over to a man without the comittment of marriage? It’s anitfreedom!
Christina,
Thank you for such interesting and informative posts.
What does it say about the abortion movement in this country when they enabled some dreg to act out his sick fantasies on women, even elevating him to hero status?
Reality,
Christina’s posts show that legal abortion did nothing to put bottomfeeders like Karman, the guy who leaves pieces of balsa and plastic springs in the wombs of third world women and injures American women with his sick and perverse experimentation, out of business. They only hung out their shingles and continued to practice with the full protection of the law.
Karman continued performing abortions legally, practicing as a doctor when he in fact was not one.
This is the guy the NAF pays homage to and was viewed as some kind of hero for years by abortion advocates.
mk, although I agree that women might disproportionately get the “consequences” of sex, it is not true that only men “get the sex.” Women get sex too, and some are glad to get it.
Many woman are perfectly happy to have sex with a man without the commitment of marriage. There could be a wide variety of reasons for this, and circumstances.(and, as we know, there are men who don’t want to have sex without the “commitment of marriage.”) I don’t think you can make these general statements, as I don’t think they’re generally true.
MK,
Men use love to get sex.
Women use sex to get love.
I think that’s a generalization. Plenty of women I know have no intention of falling in love or getting married, but want to have sex. And my teenage brother is constantly talking about wanting to fall in love; so did a few of my male friends. In fact, I’ve befriended more romantically-minded men than sexually-minded men, although that could just be the sort of friends I make. Sex is on the brains of both men and women. So it love. For a long time, it’s been “public knowledge” that women aren’t into sex and men aren’t into love. But that “knowledge” is not reflective of reality.
Sexual freedom is a lie. It means men get sex and women get the consequences. What women in her right mind would give her body over to a man without the comittment of marriage? It’s anitfreedom!
Me! I don’t want the commitment of marriage. Many women don’t. My boyfriend wants to get married more than I do (another broken stereotype) and it has nothing to do with sex.
And you’re right, women often get the consequences, but then again, it goes back to stereotyping. Women aren’t supposed to want sex, so they’re sluts if they do. Men, since they want sex, are studs for getting it. The consequences aren’t there because women have two X chromosomes. They’re there because we have allowed those consequences to only affect women.
“I got the impression from many of the stories that the men wanted the women to have their babies but had no say in what happened.”
Most women said they would have the baby if the man would just commit to being there for them but the men didn’t want to. It seems that the men have a say, they just don’t feel like stepping up and being a real man. Also if they really didn’t want this woman to abort their child maybe they shouldn’t have been having sex with her!
“My girlfriend of 4-1/2 years became pregnant with our second child this past October. She gave me an ultimatum, that I either marry her, or she will abort the child. She said she did not want to do this alone, and that childcare and being away from her job would be too much. I felt like I was backed into a corner, because I was recently divorced, and did not want to marry again so soon. As the months went by, I felt I had to be honest with her, and let her know I could not marry right now. I did this in January, and let her know, I didn’t intend on marrying her.”
He felt backed into a corner? How does he think she felt?
And then he goes on to say how he plans to get revenge on her be going to pretend to want to marry her then stand her up at the alter. Nice. And he seems to forget she is the mother of his other child. But since that kid is born and needs child support, well let’s just forget that kid. Maybe he could “forget” her at a gas station? This guy is evil.
If you don’t care about your child that’s already here why have another one? He doesn’t care about these kids he cares about the fact that his girlfriend stood up for herself.
Let’s face it, if the girlfriend decided to stop having sex with this guy he probably would have been even more mad.
“My girlfriend of 4-1/2 years became pregnant with our second child this past October. She gave me an ultimatum, that I either marry her, or she will abort the child. She said she did not want to do this alone, and that childcare and being away from her job would be too much. I felt like I was backed into a corner, because I was recently divorced, and did not want to marry again so soon. As the months went by, I felt I had to be honest with her, and let her know I could not marry right now. I did this in January, and let her know, I didn’t intend on marrying her.”
He felt backed into a corner? How does he think she felt?
And then he goes on to say how he plans to get revenge on her be going to pretend to want to marry her then stand her up at the alter. Nice. And he seems to forget she is the mother of his other child. But since that kid is born and needs child support, well let’s just forget that kid. Maybe he could “forget” her at a gas station? This guy is evil.
If you don’t care about your child that’s already here why have another one? He doesn’t care about these kids he cares about the fact that his girlfriend stood up for herself.
Posted by: Jess at May 20, 2008 1:55 PM
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The dude was just recently divorced and still had a girlfriend of 4 1/2 years which he had a child with? Then refuses to marry the girlfriend when he get’s himself free to do so? Oh boo hoo! Hopefully the woman aborted that relationship.
Lol Sally, and all the time he’s like, “Why is God punishing me!!!?”