NARAL’s “balanced” poll on McCain/Obama
From U.S. News & World Report yesterday:
The nation’s largest abortion-rights group today released a poll of likely women voters in 12 battleground states that suggests… John McCain could lose the support of significant numbers of independent and pro-choice Republican women – if they are educated about the AZ senator’s antiabortion voting record.
Ok, underlined are your first clues this article is biased, in fact, just a reworking of the NARAL press release.
For instance, the USN reporter merely reordered NARAL’s “McCain’s votes against birth control access” to “his votes to limit access to birth control,” which is pure spin. McCain opposed forcing insurance companies, such as those owned by Catholics, to fund contraception against their moral beliefs. As usual, so much for choice….
Also note 109 words dedicated to McCain’s pro-life position to 27 for Obama’s counterpart, summed up with “Obama has called a woman’s right to choose legal abortion a ‘fundamental freedom…'”
All that set the stage for NARAL’s “balanced description of the candidates’ respective positions on choice,” preceding its poll:
Obama: “Barack Obama believes that the decision to have an abortion is profoundly difficult for women and families and that these decisions are personal, between a woman, her family, her God, and her doctor, and that politicians should stay out of it. As president, Obama will oppose any constitutional amendment to overturn Roe v. Wade, and he will work to reduce unintended pregnancies through prevention and education by expanding access to birth control and sex education.”
McCain: “John McCain is pro-life, and on the issue of abortion, he opposes a woman’s right to choose. McCain says that, quote, ‘abortion is a human tragedy,’ and he believes that we must end abortion by overturning Roe v. Wade. As president, he will nominate Supreme Court judges who will vote to overturn Roe v. Wade and return the issue to the states to decide.”
Imagine how would the poll have turned out had NARAL accurately described Obama’s position:
Obama: “Barack Obama supports abortion so strongly he advocates infanticide. Wow. Obama also supports partial birth abortion – you know, when the abortionist delivers a baby breech up to the head, punctures his skull and suctions his brain out. Why, Obama even raised money on that one.
Obama will work to prevent unintended pregnancies by opposing notifying parents if their daughter’s rapist plans to take her for an abortion, even if out-of-state. Obama supports comprehensive sex ed of kindergartners that would teach them to how to avoid STDs and HIV*. Obama also supports giving 9-year-old girls birth control pills without their parents knowing. Obama and Planned Parenthood have admitted working together to kill the Born Alive Infant Protection Act, that would have stopped hospitals from shelving babies to die in soiled utility rooms. Obama also supports giving more of our tax dollars to that billion dollar abortion cartel.”
*Here is info on Senate Bill 99, approved in Obama’s infamously liberal IL Senate Health & Human Services Committee in 2003, with this language:
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
This woman will proudly be casting her vote for McCain this November, in large part due to his “anti-choice” stance. (Haha. that makes it sound like we just hate choices. “sir, did you just offer your wife one of several possibilities of paint colors for your bathroom? I’m afraid you’ll have to come with us.” yes, we hate women being able to make choices, and this has nothing whatsoever to do with killing babies.)
This woman will proudly be casting her vote for McCain this November, in large part due to his “anti-choice” stance. (Haha. that makes it sound like we just hate choices. “sir, did you just offer your wife one of several possibilities of paint colors for your bathroom? I’m afraid you’ll have to come with us.” yes, we hate women being able to make choices, and this has nothing whatsoever to do with killing babies.)
Posted by: xalisae at June 17, 2008 8:16 PM
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You sound like a little girl confused.
opposed forcing insurance companies, such as those owned by Catholics, to fund contraception against their moral beliefs.
That counts as opposing birth control. Calling McCain anti-birth control is appropriate here.
Why should anyone object to this? People should know that McCain is anti-birth control just like they should know that Obama is against restrictions on abortion. That way anti-birth control people can vote for McCain and pro-choice people can vote for Obama. NARAL is doing the right thing.
if their daughter’s rapist plans to take her for an abortion, even if out-of-state.
I remember those laws. Yes, they’d also criminalize a grandmother or guidance counselor who’d take a girl over state lines. So much for “If you can’t tell your parents, then tell a respected adult.” We already have laws against rape and statutory rape. We don’t need laws against grandmothers.
Well, I’m pro-birth control, and I have no problem with McCain supporting peoples’ rights to live according to their convictions, and being a voice for people who are killed by the thousands daily with no voice of their own. If I needed anymore proof of the sexism and using of women displayed by the democrats after the way they treated Hilary, the condescending tone you took with me will suffice, Sally. :)
And thank goodness I live in a rural area, with a very conservative local public school for my daughter to attend. She just completed kindergarten, and if I ever found out that anyone was educating her in such ways at such a young age, there’d be hell to pay.
if their daughter’s rapist plans to take her for an abortion, even if out-of-state.
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If your daughter has a rapist, he’s probably a McCain supporter:
John McCain had a fundraiser planned in Texas that was cancelled once the media got a hold of the fact that it was being sponsored by Republican Oilman Clayton Williams.
per CNN:
WASHINGTON (AP)
Laura 9:56PM
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I seem to recall you posting your admiration of Bill Clinton, who has been accused of exposing himself, fondling a woman in the White House against her will, and rape.
I in no way defend Williams who I have always viewed as a Neanderthal and a lout, I just find this a very interesting double standard.
McCain is a thoughtfull middle-of-the-road person…eg. He is against drilling for oil in ANWR, but recently changed his stance to be for offshore oil drilling in light of the recent spike in the price of oil. He is aginst overturning Roe V. Wade but for reasonable limits on abortion like PBA. He is o.k. with birth control but against forcing people to sell BC against their will. Unlike BHO, McCain is a centrist.
Yeah, ts, and if dems try to market him as “GWB’s third term”, they will fail, because it’s so obvious he’s not.
This woman will proudly be casting her vote for McCain this November, in large part due to his “anti-choice” stance.
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…And this liberal hussy will proudly cast her vote in November for Obama, in large part due to his pro-choice stance.
And so it goes!
Isn’t it about time to ban Laura again?
Nothing is gained from Laura being a propagandist for the Vietnamese goverment, unless your a communist government official who tortured John McCain into writing he was and is a war criminal.
Hey, shouldn’t the communist government official by arrested for torture, Commrade Laura? Is that your father Laura, or were you the communist government official who tortured McCain?
Ban this worthless propaganist for the murder of human beings and the torture of those human beings by abortion. Get rid of her if no apology is forthcoming.
Is that your father Laura, or were you the communist government official who tortured McCain?
Posted by: yllas at June 18, 2008 5:12 AM
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You nailed me, Yllas!
Even though I was a caucasian female born in ’62, I bore an amazing resemblence to Pol Pot, and often filled in for him in parades, torture sessions and supermarket grand openings.
(Gee Yllas, perhaps you could have noticed that the post was about unfounded accusations. Of course, that would require you to be slightly brighter than a small appliance bulb…)
I bore an amazing resemblence to Pol Pot, and often filled in for him in parades, torture sessions…
Posted by: Laura at June 18, 2008 5:41 AM
This is how I’ve always imagined you Laura…
Ban Laura.
Repeating Propaganda for a nation that tortured/murderd its citizens, and tortured Mc Cain has no worth at this site. Get rid of her.
Gee, McCain was a member of the “Keating Five” and signed a confession stating that he was a war criminal.
That’s your words you sleazy propagandist, repeating the exact propaganda of a nation that tortured and murdered millions of its citzens.
Ban Laura, she adds nothing to this site but propaganda for the torture of human beings by abortion, and now repeating propaganda for a nation which tortured a American daily, until he signed papers that he was a war criminal. By not including in her post, that McCain was tortured into signing a paper, that said he admited he was a war criminal, Laura is operating as a propaganda agent of those that torture human beings. Ban the lousy propagandist. Get rid of her.
Hi yllas.
While Laura does seek to wind people up, and she has already been banned previously, the final decision rests with Jill.
I’m not sure where you got this Vietnam connection with her; like you, one has to cut through her sarcasm and not take it mighty personally.
Perhaps if we can cut the “Comrade”, and “Dogma” and “Sad-Eyed” titles, we could even out the playing field?
I don’t know about all that, I think she really was just trying to make a point about baseless accusations, even though the accusations against clinton were far from baseless. I really don’t see what the big deal is about the fundraiser guy is, however. He has a tasteless sense of humor? I guess I do too. I like Blazing Saddles. But rape is never funny. Unless you’re raping a clown.
(I know most people aren’t going to get the point I was trying to make there, but oh well. *sigh*)
I guess the fact that it’s really hard for me to get into the “*gasp* Why I never!” attitude is that being half mexican, my mom was hispanic and my dad mostly caucasian, he would always mess with us by telling some rather off-color jokes about mexicans, but he obviously didn’t mean them, or he wouldn’t have married my mom and had 6 kids with her. A joke is just that, a joke, and if you don’t have a sense of humor about most things, your life is going to be miserable.
Laura, 11:27PM
After several years of captivity and torture its likely you would sign a confession to just about anything your captors wanted.
I’m not making accusations Laura. You have an issue with Clayton Williams who made a “joke” about rape. Like you I consider Williams a lout. I find it strange you would express your admiration for a man accused of sexual assault.
Here is the difference Carder.
I direct my post to people who can respond to my nick names I give them. What they name me is fine and dandy. But, repeating propaganda for a nation which tortured its fellow comrades and Americans is simply repeating 40 year old propaganda for a nation that tortured Mc Cain.
If your site is no better then that, allowing continuous propaganda from a continuous propagandist named Laura, your serving as nothing more then a pipe line for propagandist daily and often.
Your confusing and actually acting as a agent for Laura, by missing the point of my post, Carder.Your committing the fallacy of ignoratio Elenchi Carder. Ban Laura from being a propagandist for a nation that tortured many Americans and millions of their citizens.
She is a communist comrade in her post in which I ask for a banning of a person who is repeating the propaganda of a communist nation. That communist nation tortured a American named McCain and millions of its fellow apparatchiks by the millions.
In fact Carder, this site is home to abortion propagandist, repeating abortion propaganda in every form of abortion propaganda available to abortionist. Now, your site, is a site which allows propaganda for a nation which tortured Mc Cain, and allows this site to repeat the propaganda claims of that nation. Through your own personal propagandist for abortion named Laura, this site now allows the post of propaganda, by a nation, which tortured McCain and its fellow comrades daily. Those words of comrade Laura, are the exact same words, used by a nation, which tortured McCain.
Ban the poster, or remove the propaganda post written by comrade Laura, repeating that nation’s propaganda propaganda that McCain is a war criminal.
And for you Carder. Are you aaking me to raise my standards of writing, and even suggesting I am a propagandist for life, as is Laura is a propagnadist for death? You know how to equal the playing field for propagandist Carder, great work, and missing the point of my post.
Laura: you were born in ’62! That makes you, 46 this year.
Good grief and here I thought you were a twenty-something!
I apologize most heartily to any twenty-something’s posting on this blog.
Mary: You wrote: “Correct me if I’m wrong, but I seem to recall you posting your admiration of Bill Clinton, who has been accused of exposing himself, fondling a woman in the White House against her will, and rape.”
The important words here are “has been accused”. That does not mean he actually did these things.
Apology accepted, Patricia. :P
xalisae: my point being that Laura’s posts are very immature – perhaps on an adolescent level. For someone with a little more “life” experience, I think we should expect more from her, but apparently NOT.
That’s not to say that I think that 20-something’s are immature or have nothing to contribute (Because I don’t feel that at all), but they don’t necessarily have the wisdom that years can often bring.
Peace
Ban Laura.
Repeating Propaganda for a nation that tortured/murderd its citizens, and tortured Mc Cain has no worth at this site. Get rid of her.
Posted by: yllas at June 18, 2008 6:49 AM
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What propaganda, Yllas?
Patricia, I was also startled months back when I learned of Laura’s age.
xalisae: my point being that Laura’s posts are very immature – perhaps on an adolescent level. For someone with a little more “life” experience, I think we should expect more from her, but apparently NOT.
Posted by: Patricia at June 18, 2008 10:01 AM
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Patricia, we’ve all read your opinions on sex, adult sexuality and marriage.
If you ever get a CLUE about what constitutes a sexual relationship you can feel free to criticize my “life experience.”
If you ever get a CLUE about what constitutes a sexual relationship you can feel free to criticize my “life experience.”
Enlighten us.
For instance, the USN reporter merely reordered NARAL’s “McCain’s votes against birth control access” to “his votes to limit access to birth control,” which is pure spin.
Regarding the subject of the original post, I have to say that Jill Stanek accusing anyone of “spin” is rich, indeed. She demonstrates her mastery of the unsubtle spin once again, just a few short lines later. Barack Obama is resolute enough in his pro-choice stance to not support a bill recognized as yet another attempt by antis to get their fingers in the door toward banning abortion, yet for this, Jill says, “Barack Obama supports abortion so strongly he advocates infanticide.” If that isn’t “pure spin,” then what is?
Fact, is what it is. I thought you choicers had already conceded that once a fetus was born alive, it was a baby-an infant, if you will-and we would at least have the right to protect them.
Yay, now my phone’s started doing triple posts. -.-
Testing
SOMG,
Look what happened to Clarence Thomas when he was only “accused” of some lousy pick-up lines.
By the way SOMG, why did the Clintons go to such trouble to trash his accusers if he was so innocent? Also why did he agree to pay Paula Jones $850,000 if he was so innocent? Why was Clinton ordered to pay $91,000 for expenses incurred as the result of Clinton’s dishonest and misleading answers during testimony in the JOnes lawsuit?
I’m sure he’s innocent as a newborn lamb.
Xalise — Laws that protect babies are fine with pro-choicers. The problem is that we are so used to laws that restict abortion that are only disguised as laws that protect babies that we see them in almost every law that claims to protect babies. But NARAL sniffed all over the Federal Born-Alive Act and pronounced it clean. It sounds as though something smelled fishy about its Illinois counterpart.
Mary, you wrote: “Look what happened to Clarence Thomas…”
Call him by his proper name which is Long Dong Silver.
You wrote: “… when he was only “accused” of some lousy pick-up lines.”
Like “What’s this pubic hair doing in my coke?”
And last I heard he was doing just fine, thanks. Better than he deserves. His performance on the Supreme Court is an argument against affirmative action, which is why GHWBush nominated him in the first place. It was a practical joke on the affirmative action people and the fans of Thurgood Marshall.
What propaganda Laura?
Your repeating propaganda,gained by torture, for the nation of Vietnam, which tortured Americans and its fellow comrades into writing and signing they were “war criminals”.
But, let me tell you what you will write next as a propagandist for the nation of Vietnam, which used torture of it’s comrades until they fled in the hundred of thousands to get away from that nation which tortured Mc Cain.
A. Mc Cain is a war criminal.
B. McCain wrote and signed those papers which stated he was a war criminal.
C. But he is a war criminal by definition.
D. Your a coward and a propagandist for a nation that issued the propaganda that McCain is a war criminal. Who was a child then , and is still writing propaganda for that torturing nation at this site.
E. You are not a propagnadist for a nation that tortured McCain,although you wrote, and repeated, the exact words of propaganda of that nation.
You are, and you should be banned from this site for your being a propagandist for a nation which tortured and murdered its own comrades daily. Nothing is gained from you Laura. Go peddle your propaganda for a communist torturing nation at their official government site.
SOMG
Tsk Tsk SOMG, he was only “accused” remember? Nothing was proven. He said She said.
How amusing that you have such an issue with some alleged lousy pick up lines but no problem with a “man” accused of sexual assault by at least three different women, one of whom he settled with to the tune of several thousand dollars, all because he was so totally innocent, right?
This is the same “man” who while president, had some intern barely older than his daughter tending his crotch while he discussed the situation of American servicemen and women in Bosnia with a congressman. How presidential.
Thomas argued against affirmative action? Great. I consider it patronizing and racist to suggest that minorities “need” special consideration. After all, they can’t accomplish much of anything on their own merits.
Is this why you support affirmative action SOMG?
Hi Yllas,
“In fact Carder, this site is home to abortion propagandists…”
Please remember this is not my site. If you have issues with Laura and demand her permanent resignation, take it up with Jill.
Your writing skills…well, if you could use paragraphs, it would be much easier to follow. And if you are able to remove that constant repetition of words and names, that would help, too.
McCain is a thoughtfull middle-of-the-road person…eg. He is against drilling for oil in ANWR, but recently changed his stance to be for offshore oil drilling in light of the recent spike in the price of oil. He is aginst overturning Roe V. Wade but for reasonable limits on abortion like PBA. He is o.k. with birth control but against forcing people to sell BC against their will. Unlike BHO, McCain is a centrist.
Posted by: truthseeker at June 17, 2008 10:35 PM
Talk about spin – flip-flopper = thoughtful
Does that mean you were a Kerry voter?
Carder.
Learn not to miss the point of my post Carder. Is that short enough for ya?
1. Writing propaganda for a communist nation, a person is a comrade(friend) of communism, and so may be titled as a “comrade” of communism,especially when that person is repeating 40 year old communist propaganda? True of false?
If true, then your reply to me was to deflect the subject of my post into a thought you played out as “leveling the field”.
Question. Are you a propagandist for pro life.Yes or no
Propagandisr being defined as; a person who holds a doctrine as a absolute truth, and can mislead, misdirect,deflect, lie, and even state “that no one has a good arguement against that doctrine, they just think they do”.
Question. Is Laura a propaganidst for abortion? Yes or no?
Question.Is Jill a propaganist for pro life? Yes or no
Question.Is MK. a propagandist for pro life?
Question.Should a person who is a moderator for a pro life site “even the field” for pro abortion propagandist?
Question. Is giving a “even field” for propagandist for abortion, sacrificing truth, for the worth of a argument with a propagandist for abortion?
And finally Carder, Am I a propagandist for pro life? Yes or no? Think before you write Carder, as you might be leveling the field, or losing the field, defending the fact that you missed the point of my post, then rambled on about the “title name” I gave Laura.
Xalise — Laws that protect babies are fine with pro-choicers. The problem is that we are so used to laws that restict abortion that are only disguised as laws that protect babies that we see them in almost every law that claims to protect babies. But NARAL sniffed all over the Federal Born-Alive Act and pronounced it clean. It sounds as though something smelled fishy about its Illinois counterpart.
Posted by: DRF at June 18, 2008 7:20 PM
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So…being able to legally kill unborn babies indiscriminately and at whatever stage you can imagine trumps the lives of REAL infants who have ALREADY been born and are MOST DEFINITELY ALIVE and being left in anguish to die what is most likely a painful, agonizing death. Gotcha.
I guess they really don’t matter anyway, since they were already supposed to have died from a late-term abortion. It’s all good, as long as you end up with a dead baby, amirite?
Mary, I did not say that Thomas ARGUED AGAINST affirmative action. (He did, but that’s not what I said. As it happens I also oppose affirmative action. His arguments against affirmative action are one of the few good things about him.)
I said that he WAS an argument against affirmative action. He is a clear demonstration of the principle that making appointments based on race causes members of favored minority groups to occupy positions for which they are underqualified.
Some of you on this thread do not seem to understand what people mean when they say that McCain would be “Bush’s third term”. Maybe I can explain.
One of Bush’s policies has been to pour huge unaffordable amounts of pork money into the Military Black Hole, where it eventually ends up in the pockets of private military contractors like Erik Prince, and to invent a war to justify the transfer of government money. McCain has clearly indicated that he intends to continue this policy.
(By the way, attacking Iran would be absolutely the wrong thing to do in the War on Terror. Most Iranians are not very fond of their Islamic government. But there’s nothing like a foreign attack to make people discover reasons to support their political and religious leaders. Remember how popular GWBush was immediately after 9-11? How people actually trusted him to be a good president in spite of all the obvious indicators? Is that how we want Iranians to feel about their government? As for “regime change” what are you gonna do, purge the entire Iranian clerical hierarchy? That would be an historical crime and would inspire anti-westernism in Muslims everywhere for thousands of years. But I digress.)
Another thing people are thinking about when they say McCain would be Bush’s third term is the tax cuts which, together with the military spending, have caused us each to owe many thousands of dollars to foreign investors, who do not have our interests at heart when they decide what to do with our money. This has caused the devaluation of our currency which is now in its initial stages. I can promise you that if it is not reversed you will not enjoy its later stages. VERY fortunately this is a symbolic issue because the Bush tax cuts are due to expire all by themselves in 2010 without any congressional or presidential action, and there is no way the Democratic-controlled Congress would allow McCain to make them permanent. But McCain’s evident support for continuing Bush’s policy of ignoring the concept of fiscal solvency is another reason people call McCain Bush’s third term.
Finally, McCain shares with GWBush what I can only describe as a general appearance of not being quite “all there” enough for the job. In Bush’s case it was partly his goofy personality and probably partly an aftereffect of many years of uninterrupted cocaine use. In McCain’s case it has more to do with signs of mental and physical geriatric impairment, but although the cause is different, the effect, a feeling of “no one’s really in charge with these guys” is similar.
That’s what I think people mean when they talk about “Bush’s third term.”
Remember when GWBush was on Letterman and his hands were wet for some reason and he wiped his wet hands on a woman’s skirt during the commercial and Dave showed it later? That’s what I mean by not being “all there” enough for the job.
And proposing, apparently as an off-the-cuff idea, to put a man on Mars. That’s not all there.
Which would be more surprising, to hear McCain propose something absolutely nutty like sending a man to Mars, or to hear Obama propose it?
SOMG 1:58am
I read your post to mean that Bush had appointed Thomas as an opponent of affirmative action(“an argument against affirmative action”) which indeed he is.
I most certainly agree with you that putting people into positions based on their gender or race puts them into jobs they are not qualified for.
Barack Obama is a very good example.
SOMG 3:10am
I’ve heard a great deal of talk about putting a man on Mars. Considering the exploration that’s going on and the unmanned landings on Mars, I would hardly consider this possibility an “off the cuff” or “absolutely nutty” idea.
I well remember when the idea putting a man on the moon was pure science fiction, an “absolutely nutty” idea.
Speaking of not be “all there” didn’t Obama claim that even though he attended Wright’s church for 20 years, viewed Wright as a “mentor” and “spiritual advisor”, he was none the less blissfully ignorant of what Wright believed, said, and stood for?
If that was McCain making the same claim concerning his pastor, you’d have even more snide comments about his “mental and physical geriatric impairment”. Just imagine too if McCain didn’t know the difference between a breathalyzer and an “inhalator”. I think that’s how you would spell this non-existent item.
I stand corrected. In fact an inhalator does exist but has nothing to do with asthma treatment and is not carried and used by asthma victims.
Its an apparatus used to mix carbon dioxide and oxygen, especially for use in artificial respiration.