JivinJ’s Life Links 10-27-08
by JivinJ
It’s almost like endorsing Obama makes people dumber. Of course it’s not that and every election cycle people of both sides disavow previously firm beliefs and issues simply because they prefer a certain candidate. But this year with Obama it just seems to have exponentially increased….
For Catholic scholars like Kmiec and Cafardi, who have fought against abortion, to endorse someone like Obama, who supports the Freedom of Choice Act and using tax dollars to pay for abortions, and then claim, “Obama proposes to reduce the incidence of abortion by helping pregnant women overcome the ill effects of poverty that block a choice of life,” feels almost like the pinnacle of self-deceit. They laud Obama’s universal health care plan but then don’t mention anything about whether abortion would be one of the procedures covered by the plan.
It’s almost like they can’t even honestly come up with a defense for Obama’s radical positions on life issues so they’ll just act like they don’t exist.
If you can convince yourself that these beings are something other than living and innocent human beings, something, for example, such as “mere clusters of tissues,” you have a problem far more basic than merely not appreciating the wrongness of abortion. And that problem is – forgive me – self-deceit in a most extreme form.
In most places, people who express a desire to die are evaluated for depression, and receive treatment for it. In places where assisted suicide is practised,
such patients might instead receive a fatal dose of barbiturates. The researchers discovered that in 2007, not one “of the people who died by lethal ingestion in OR had been evaluated by a psychiatrist or a psychologist.”
“We used to joke that we were all being conned. None of us are miraculously walking.”…
While in New Delhi, Ms. Poole saw Indian patients of her doctor taking steps but when she asked to see footage of them before their treatment she was told “No.”
“She doesn’t have anything to document before and after so there’s nothing to gauge on,” Ms. Poole said.
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
Is anyone reading this message?
I read you, Bobby.
OK, thanks Erin.
Yet another test…
The argument of the Obama supporting “Catholics” is absurd on its face. They are essentially saying that women will not abort if they have more money in their pocket. Their argument boils down to women aborting because they don’t have enough money to keep their children.
That is completely at odds with the rhetoric of “pro-choice”, and the reality of the shrieking feminists who demand the right to do what they want with “their” bodies.
Pro-abortion people are not quiet, sad people grovelling in the street and begging for the poor to be taken care of so they don’t have to kill their children. They are loud, obnoxious baby slaughterers who take great pleasure in the pain and suffering they inflict on their victims.
The pro-Obama “Catholics” argue that the abortion war cannot be won, so we might as well give up. And their idea of giving up is to support one of the most pro-abortion Senators ever for president. It would be like Israel electing Ahmadinejad president, because, well, you know, we’re never going to stop Ahmadinejad from trying to slaughter the Jews, so why not just vote for him? It’s unbelievably ridiculous.
For those of you who prayed for my ex teacher-
I thank you all for the thoughts in prayers. However, everyone was informed today it was an error on the part of a local mother and he is in fact alive. Hopefully he’ll continue to live a long and fulfilling life :)
Dan,
I am so glad to hear that!
John:
Don’t you find it amazing that politicians like Barack Obama and Joe Biden are actually trying to lead people away from the teachings of their own church?
They could care less that they are compromising people’s consciences. This spiritual genocide is just the tip fo the iceberg as to the total devastation that an Obama/Biden adminstration will wreak on this world.
Who does this kind of thing except those who are demonically controlled and satanically inspired?
good grief Dan. That is soo strange eh? Well, I’m glad he’s alive.
the reality of the shrieking feminists who demand the right to do what they want with “their” bodies.
yes, I think this sums things up pretty well – the right to do what they want with their bodies at the expense of everyone else including the baby, the father of the baby, the interests of society and so forth.
Women are the only people in our western society who can kill another human being with complete government sanction and without any legal consequences. It is mind-boggling.
This is a true Christian black preacher’s assessment of Obama:
http://www.atlah.org/broadcast/ndnr10-17-08.html
HisMan, back when the Terri Schiavo murder happened, I came to the realization that it wasn’t a battle of right vs. left, but rather of good vs. evil. George Bush, John Kerry, and Ralph Nader all wanted Terri’s right to life to be protected. Three presidential candidates, all with radically different views on the issues, all misguided in various ways, but none of them truly evil men.
The public was mislead about Terri; they thought that her wishes and the wishes of her family were being violated. They didn’t know that her father, mother, brother and sister were begging for her life. The media, which was complicit in the murder in order to make Republicans look bad, didn’t tell them.
But Barack Obama was asked what the biggest mistake he ever made in his professional career was, and he said, in essense, that he did not do enough to help kill Terri. He thinks that he should have done more to make sure that Terri was definitely going to be dehydrated to death over a period of 13 days.
Barack Obama is not a stupid man. Clearly he knew exactly what was going on in the case of Terri Schiavo. But he thinks that the biggest mistake he ever made in his career is that he didn’t fight to kill an innocent, severely brain-damaged woman. That tells us all we need to know about him. Obama is an evil man.
HisMan: I’m not sure that these people are demonically possessed. But the lure of power is very corrupting and older men (forgive me!) tend to be more susceptible to this kind of temptation as opposed to concupiscence.
Each time Joe Biden compromised his belief system, it became easier the next time. Each time he rationalized his choice, he had an explanation for himself and others. Finally he’s found himself so far away from the truths of his religion that he has to come up with something really big – and it is a big rationalization that he’s made. But it’s also a lie and he knows it. The thought of being VP is just too tempting.
Barack Obama is not a stupid man. Clearly he knew exactly what was going on in the case of Terri Schiavo. But he thinks that the biggest mistake he ever made in his career is that he didn’t fight to kill an innocent, severely brain-damaged woman. That tells us all we need to know about him. Obama is an evil man.
Posted by: John Lewandowski at October 27, 2008 5:06 PM
yeah, I’d probably go along with this assessment of Obama.
He has no conscience and on moral integrity. Of course I’m a firm believer that God will give us what we really want if we persist. It seems like America has been hanging on by a thread the past decades or so, just barely being able to keep above the backwaters that have flooded European culture. But, if the American people want Obama, they will get him and ALL of him. Euthanasia, rampant abortion, declining population, gay marriage, limits on freedom of speech, parental rights, the right to choose to homeschool and the right to act according to one’s conscience.
“This spiritual genocide is just the tip fo the iceberg as to the total devastation that an Obama/Biden adminstration will wreak on this world.”
That’s funny HisMan, your friend McCain said Obama was a decent man and we had nothing to fear if he is elected.
“your friend McCain said Obama was a decent man and we had nothing to fear if he is elected”
I don’t know about HisMan, but I’m not voting FOR McCain. I’m voting AGAINST the most evil, vile cockroach to ever run for president on the Democrat ticket – Barack Obama. And if he is elected, he’ll be the most evil, vile, cockroach of a president America has ever had. But don’t worry – we will oppose his every anti-life, anti-American policy.
And if he is elected, he’ll be the most evil, vile, cockroach of a president America has ever had. But don’t worry – we will oppose his every anti-life, anti-American policy.
Posted by: John Lewandowski at October 27, 2008 5:32 PM
Maybe you should re-examine your position. What is it you don’t like about Senator Obama?
Patricia, for the record I said demonically controlled.
Obama has been mentored by a so-called Christian preacher who has spouted doctrines of demons.
When a person buys into that heresy as Obama has, he is controlled by doctrines of demons.
Abortion is an doctrine of demons.
Gay marriage is a doctrine of demons.
Black Liberation theology is a doctrine of demons.
Islam is a doctrine of demons.
Anything that denies the Lordship of Jesus Chirst or is contrary to his word is a doctine of demons.
Anything that denies the Lordship of Jesus Chirst or is contrary to his word is a doctine of demons.
Posted by: HisMan at October 27, 2008 5:54 PM
[chuckle]
Hal, you know, all this time I’ve been lying about disliking Obama because he’s the most pro-abortion presidential candidate ever who has promised that his FIRST ACT as president would be to sign the extremely anti-life FOCA into law, and because he’s a socialist who wants to “spread the wealth around” which is ridiculously anti-American, and because he thinks that the BIGGEST MISTAKE HE EVER MADE IN HIS CAREER was not supporting the euthanasia of a brain-damaged woman, and because he opposes school choice and wants our kids to be trapped in failing public schools where kindergartners are taught about HIV and birth control, and because he wants to put Marxists on the Supreme Court who will support his anti-American and anti-life positions and remain in power for 30 years.
No, the real reason why I oppose Obama? I just don’t like black people. That’s why I voted for Lynn Swann for Governor of PA in 2006, too – I would never vote for that black guy Ed Rendell.
HAL, ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR FREAKING MIND????
I just have a hard time understanding what the objection is to Obama. Sure, he’s pro-choice, but so are a lot of other Democrats (and some Republicans).
I’m also not sure you’re right about Obama’s position on school choice.
OBAMA: Sen. McCain and I actually agree on charter schools. I doubled the number of charter schools in Illinois despite some reservations from teachers unions. I think it’s important to foster competition inside the public schools. Where we disagree is on the idea that we can somehow give out vouchers as a way of securing the problems in our education system.
Excerpts from Obama’s Abortion Extremism ROBERT P. GEORGE
Barack Obama is the most extreme pro-abortion candidate ever to seek the office of President of the United States. He is the most extreme pro-abortion member of the United States Senate. Indeed, he is the most extreme pro-abortion legislator ever to serve in either house of the United States Congress. Here is why:
1. One of the most telling comments made by any candidate in either party in this election year, Senator Obama, when asked by Rick Warren when a baby gets human rights, replied: “That question is above my pay grade.” It was a profoundly disingenuous answer: For even at a state senator’s pay grade, Obama presumed to answer that question with blind certainty. His unspoken answer then, as now, is chilling: human beings have no rights until infancy — and if they are unwanted survivors of attempted abortions, not even then.
2. When a bill was introduced in the United States Senate to develop an exact equivalent of embryonic stem cells without using (or producing) embryos, Barack Obama was one of the few senators who opposed a modest amount of federal money into this research. It is as if Obama is opposed to stem-cell research unless it involves killing human embryos
3. In an act of breathtaking injustice as an Illinois state senator Obama opposed legislation to protect children who are born alive, either as a result of an abortionist’s unsuccessful effort to kill them in the womb, or by the deliberate delivery of the baby prior to viability. The Obama campaign lied about until critics produced documentary proof of what he had done (bornalivetruth.org).
4. Senator Obama, despite the urging of pro-life members of his own party, has not endorsed or offered support for the Pregnant Women Support Act, the signature bill of Democrats for Life. Obama has opposed key provisions of the Act, including providing coverage of unborn children, informed consent for women about the effects of abortion and the gestational age of their child. This legislation would not make a single abortion illegal. It simply seeks to make it easier for pregnant women to make the choice not to abort their babies.
5. He wishes to strip federal funding from pro-life crisis pregnancy centers that provide alternatives to abortion for pregnant women in need. There is certainly nothing “pro-choice” about that.
6. He has promised, “The first thing I’d do as President is sign the Freedom of Choice Act” (known as FOCA). This proposed legislation would create a federally guaranteed “fundamental right” to abortion through all nine months of pregnancy, including a right to abort a fully developed child in the final weeks for undefined ‘health’ reasons. In essence, FOCA would abolish virtually every existing state and federal limitation on abortion, including parental consent and notification laws for minors, state and federal funding restrictions on abortion, and conscience protections for pro-life citizens working in the health-care industry — protections against being forced to participate in the practice of abortion or else lose their jobs.
7. Obama supports legislation that would repeal the Hyde Amendment, which protects pro-life citizens from having to pay for abortions that are not necessary to save the life of the mother and are not the result of rape or incest
Hal: Why do you oppose Obama?
Me: Here are many reasons why I strongly oppose him.
Hal: I’m not sure why people oppose Obama…
Me: *Throws up hands*
Here’s a fun video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZ9gXD0wSRo
HisMan: a person must personally invite the devil to possess him or offer his soul to the devil.
Do you believe Obama has done this?
Hal: parents should be free to choose whatever way they wish to teach their children; private public or home schools.
It is a parents right to raise their children as they see fit. Apparently California legislators don’t think so.Neither do German legislators. Now, in the case of Germany and what is happening over there to homeschooling families, that is diabolical, HisMan.
Parents are free to send their children to private schools or public schoools. Perhaps home schools should be allowed too, but I’m not yet convinced.
As for vouchers, I’m more inclined to support them then Obams seems to be. See, we don’t agree on everything.
John L @ 6:23 PM,
Here’s a fun video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZ9gXD0wSRo
That was fun. Meghan Kelly is awesome keeping her cool. Unbelievable, the Obamanites are once again accusing FOX of having an agenda instead of addressing the issue at hand. This 2001 interview of Obama is unmistakable proof of his socialist agenda. (I don’t think the Obama spokesperson understands what socialism is – accusing McCain of being a socialist for not supporting Bush’s tax cuts.) Excellent post.
Parents are free to send their children to private schools or public schoools. Perhaps home schools should be allowed too, but I’m not yet convinced.
Why not? What are you afraid of?
Why not? What are you afraid of?
Posted by: Patricia at October 27, 2008 6:45 PM
I’m afraid they might not get a very good education.
Why not? What are you afraid of?
Posted by: Patricia at October 27, 2008 6:45 PM
I’m afraid they might not get a very good education.
Posted by: Hal at October 27, 2008 6:58 PM
too bad, because they are courted by every Ivy League school in America.
I suggest you do some research before you form an opinion on homeschooling.
“Black Liberation theology is a doctrine of demons.”
Do you believe white supremacy is a doctrine of demons?
Patricia, I’m open to the idea. I will do some research before I take a public position.
Some parents give their children good educations through home schooling, some don’t. Some parents take care of their kids, some leave their toddlers alone for days at a time.
Too bad kids can’t choose their parents.
Some parents give their children good educations through home schooling, some don’t. Some parents take care of their kids, some leave their toddlers alone for days at a time.
I would say, from my experience that about 99% of homeschoolers get an excellent education from their parents. After all the parents have a vested interest in seeing their children do well. They are usually more involved parents who are concerned about negative cultural influences on their children.
The last part of your statement is outrageous. I don’t know too many toddlers who can live alone for days at a time. It’s interesting that you lumped these parents in with the homeschoolers. Hmmmm
Patricia, I don’t see anything “outrageous” about Jess’s comment. She’s just pointing out that there are all kinds of parents. Before we decide as a society to allow children to stay home from school and be taught by their parents, I think we should see if we can have some safeguards to make sure, in the words of GWB, “is our children learning?”
children learn in many ways Hal
Who will set that definition and criteria? A set of teachers who have a vested interest in seeing as many of these kids in the classroom?
The school trustees who also have a vested interest?
If you don’t want the state in your bedroom, why all of a sudden do you want it in the livingroom?
What’s good for the goose is good for the gander to, ya know.
I love the two-faced nature of you liberals! Makes me sick.
BTW, homeschooling is legal in most states in the US.
And in my province of Ontario, there are NO regulations what-so-ever! No state mandated sex ed courses or ideology pumped into 5 year olds.
Parents actually can teach their children their values. Maybe THAT’s what the liberals are concerned about. All those nasty Christians passing on their silly stupid love of God and his law.
http://www.crimeandjustice.us/forums/lofiversion/index.php?t11973.html
Not every parent has their child’s best interest at heart Patricia : (
Patricia, would you like some cheese with that whine? I recommend the brie.
I’m sure that is sometimes the case Jess: I meet them often enough in my line of work!
Yes, I do love cheese with real wine! especially brie! Nice try RAE!
I’m merely stating that it IS interesting that proaborts such as Hal are all for the state keeping out of women’s bodies but when it comes to parents trying to lovingly educate their children (and usually these are Christian parents)at home, well we certainly MUST get invovled in that.
Yes you liberal ideologues are quite something else.
Have a nice night!
“Do you believe white supremacy is a doctrine of demons?”
OF COURSE!!! ALL forms of racism are from Satan, and that includes “white supremacy” AND “black liberation theology”! Jesus commanded us to bring the Gospel to ALL nations, not just to light skinned or dark skinned people!
Patricia how do you think it’s mostly Christians? I worked with home schooled kids for a little bit, a physical education thing, back when I was in my health care major. There were a few that were home schooled because their parents were in the military and they moved a lot, other for some related reason. A few because of the poor school systems in their area, some because their kids had special needs they felt they could handle best. And for as many “crazy” Christians wanting to keep their kids away from “evil” liberals there were “crazy” liberals wanting to keep “evil” Christians away from their kids.
@Patricia: I actually have no problem with homeschooling so long as the kids are being taught what they need to get into college and to function as adults.
In the freak event I ever have children, I’ll probably homeschool them during middle school because middle school is probably the most hellish time for a child.
agreed Rae. What you call middle school is a very difficult time for kids.
Jess: there are many reasons people homeschool but by far the majority are Christian. Christian homeschooling orgs are huge with 10s of thousands of members. We use to joke that if we saw 15 seater vans in the parking lot there must be homeschoolers around!
Some are new agers and also free learners. And some it is due to circumstances in life as you pointed out.
Hey Rae,
I agree! My son heads to middle school next year but I am willing to pull him out for ANY reason to homeschool him. I hated middle school as a student but loved it as a teacher!! :)
Ugh middle school was the worst time in my life. Horrible. But it taught me a whole lot about how to deal with people, I think I’m a better person for it.
@Carla: I was so miserable in middle school- I seriously wanted to die. I would never put any of my spawn through that.
Rae: you would NOT have spawn, you would have lovely children, I’m sure and you would make a great teacher for your kids!
It was a nightmare for me as well. Such a lost and lonely time. You couldn’t pay me to go back there!!
My grandma passed away when I was 14 and I spent much of my time trying to figure out how to do myself in.
@Patricia: I use the term “spawn” affectionately. I call my brothers “demon spawn”. Of course they have some classy names for myself- particularly the term that rhymes with “witch” and starts with a “b”. :D
BTW, homeschooling is legal in most states in the US.
And in my province of Ontario, there are NO regulations what-so-ever! No state mandated sex ed courses or ideology pumped into 5 year olds.
Parents actually can teach their children their values. Maybe THAT’s what the liberals are concerned about. All those nasty Christians passing on their silly stupid love of God and his law.
Posted by: Patricia at October 27, 2008 8:33 PM
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Perhaps your kids can get jobs as custodians at your local parish after passing their GEDs.
I’m happy with the educations my children have received through the public school system. Not having the resources to personally pay for tutors and all.
Ha! I think my kids are gonna do much better than be custodians Sally!
Vince is in university studying philosophy and history with view towards law.
Patrice has a 93 average in GR. 11 and is looking towards medicine.
Becca has a 95 average and is a talented musician who plays violin and piano.
Theresa in gr 6 has all 4+ (out of 4+) on report cards. Not sure where she’s headed yet.
When Becca was tested a few years back she was beyond the 99 percentile -apparently very unusual.
They were all homeschooled to some degree = Vince for 9 years. When he was in GR 9 I was told that not even the seniors (gr 12) wrote as well as he did.
Yeah, I’m not concerned.
off topic…..
Patricia, have you ever read the comic FOR BETTER or FOR WORSE? Its set in Canada. Lynn Johnston just rebooted the comic and is starting over from the beginning. My family has followed this comic for years because two characters have the same names as myself and my older brother.
http://www.fbofw.com
Greatest Comic Ever….After Garfield and Peanuts (Charlie Brown).
Ha! I think my kids are gonna do much better than be custodians Sally!
Vince is in university studying philosophy and history with view towards law.
Patrice has a 93 average in GR. 11 and is looking towards medicine.
Becca has a 95 average and is a talented musician who plays violin and piano.
Theresa in gr 6 has all 4+ (out of 4+) on report cards. Not sure where she’s headed yet.
When Becca was tested a few years back she was beyond the 99 percentile -apparently very unusual.
They were all homeschooled to some degree = Vince for 9 years. When he was in GR 9 I was told that not even the seniors (gr 12) wrote as well as he did.
Yeah, I’m not concerned.
Posted by: Patricia at October 27, 2008 10:08 PM
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So you homeschooled one of your children until the 4th grade. If homeschooling is so great why didn’t you continue?
Actually I homeschooled my son until high school. (that’s nine years from age 5 to 14) The youngest was homeschooled until gr 2.
Other than that I won’t divulge any other personal information relating to my homeschooling on a public bb.
Suffice it to say, that I am VERY supportive of homeschooling – it’s a good choice but not for everyone as it takes a huge amount of effort and committment. I loved it and I’m a born homeschooler! It was hugely successful for my kids. Most of my friends are homeschoolers or former homeschoolers (now having grown children).
Sadly, Sally, you couldn’t even bring yourself to congratulate me on my success with my kids. What is it in you that makes you so terribly hostile to others?
Liz: I do remember that comic strip! I didn’t know she was starting over! I’m not a Garfield fan though – maybe it’s because I’m not fond of cats…..
I was so miserable in middle school- I seriously wanted to die.
Rae, my sister had a moment like that. She was born in 1966, and around came May 6, 1978, or “5-6-78” and there she sat, a 12 year old girl, thinking it would be low point of her life. It’s worked out that way.
children learn in many ways Hal
Who will set that definition and criteria? A set of teachers who have a vested interest in seeing as many of these kids in the classroom?
The school trustees who also have a vested interest?
If you don’t want the state in your bedroom, why all of a sudden do you want it in the livingroom?
What’s good for the goose is good for the gander to, ya know.
I love the two-faced nature of you liberals! Makes me sick.
Posted by: Patricia at October 27, 2008 8:28 PM
Hold on a minute, before you call me two-faced. I said I was generally open to the idea of homeschooling, with some safeguards. Is that a radical position? Dang.
Doug, if I’m reading you correctly, and you lost your sister when she was 12, I’m very sorry.
Rae,
I’m glad you made it through the rough times. God bless.
Doug, if I’m reading you correctly, and you lost your sister when she was 12, I’m very sorry.
Oh Geez, Hal, I’m sorry for not being clear, there (9:05 a.m.).
No – she later told me she thought she’d always remember how it felt to be a pre-teen, filled with angst, unfulfillment, etc., just severe childhood bumming out, marked by that “5-6-78” date.
She’s almost 42 – her birthday is Hallowe’en, and has three great kids, after having married a really smart and motivated guy who sold a company to Allied Signal. They have a huge house north of Boston and “the good life.”
Doug, I’m so happy I misunderstood you. IThose years are tough, no doubt about it. Nothing quite so dark for my girls but I do recall the 12/13 age time period. It’s not fun for them (or us). Nice that they’re a little older now and back to the angels we remember.
Hal, I’m no doubt biased here, but I think it’s tougher for girls. When I was 13 and my brothers 11 and 9, we moved to where my dad still lives – “The Farm.”
We could play in the barns, roam the hills, cut down trees and have humongous fires… So much of the “difficult” years passed for us being really busy and always having stuff we wanted to do.
Not bad… Not bad.