Jewel: Pregnancy is a privilege
Pregnancy is a privilege, and I feel lucky that I get to do it. It’s kind of sad that men don’t.
~ Singer Jewel, as quoted by People, July 7
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Pregnancy is a privilege, and I feel lucky that I get to do it. It’s kind of sad that men don’t.
~ Singer Jewel, as quoted by People, July 7
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WOW!! God bless Jewel for saying that! I agree with her that it is a privilege, and much more beyond that. When Regina was pregnant with our three children, I marveled at the impenetrable mystery of new life forming within her womb, at her complete selfless devotion to each baby and the tenderness with which she regarded each. Most good men are simply humbled and awed by the power of the experience.
We’re privileged as well. We get to care for and protect our wives during their time of discomfort and vulnerability, to show love in ways never dreamed of before. And we learn that true masculinity is found in the service to our pregnant and postpartum wives. It resides somewhere between the dirty dishes, laundry, diapers, and errands that are all taken care of in love.
I find it sad when pro-aborts say such stuff. Jewel is a pro-abort. Madonna said a bunch of sweet things about her baby on the ultrasound but is a hard-core abortion supporter, said to have had 11 herself.
I am not trying to be a downer, but the cognitive dissonance of such people is dizzying.
Jacqueline: Maybe, just maybe this pregnancy for her will help her see the errors of her ways regarding the life of the child and abortion. Whenever I hear of a pro-abort person pregnant I pray that the pregnancy helps them to see, understand, and value all human life.
Dr. G that made me cry and I’m not pregnant or postpartum! :)
Jacqueline says:
July 12, 2011 at 8:56 am
I find it sad when pro-aborts say such stuff. Jewel is a pro-abort. Madonna said a bunch of sweet things about her baby on the ultrasound but is a hard-core abortion supporter, said to have had 11 herself.
(Denise) ELEVEN? Where did you read or hear this?
That sounds very high.
Congrats to Jewel, but it’s odd considering she’s part of the “the world is overpopulated” crowd…..
I am dying at the “Madonna has had 11 abortions comment”…. thanks for the laugh this morning, Jacqueline.
Author Barbara Victor, who wrote a 2001 biography of the star, alleges that Madonna has had as many as 11 terminations since she was 18, most of them when she was a young singer and dancer struggling to make it in New York.
Feel free to look it up, derrr and Denise. That’s just ONE article that’s on the internet. There are many more .
True or not, I hardly think talk of killing a baby (or BABIES, as the case may be) is something to laugh about, derrr.
Good for Madonna then! I’m so happy she was able to have as many abortions and children as she felt was right for her! Way to put a smile on my face, Pamela! :)
I’m so happy she was able to have as many abortions and children as she felt was right for her!
Well, so much for the “safe, legal and RARE” argument.
And the “nobody LIKES abortion” argument.
Oh happy abortion!! 11 children that have been killed by their mother, Madonna. Jump for joy!
How about running a check down to PP in honor of Madonna today, hmmm?
How many is too many for you, derrr? Or do you TRUST WOMEN? LOL
I don’t “LOL” about trusting women, actually… I just do! I never said I was a fan of “rare” abortions. I’m a fan of women having the choice to have children or not have children as they see fit.
Oh, and to answer your “how many is too many” question. Abortion is a legal, safe procedure and I think there’s just no such thing as too many.
I never said I was a fan of “rare” abortions.
Neither is the abortion industry/Planned Parenthood. Good to know you’re all on the same page.
I have to give you credit, derrr, for one thing: your honesty about how abortion makes you happy.
Abortion is safe for whom?
Not safe for my daughter who was killed but as long as you are happy derrr then well…I’m happy!!
:)
Hi Kel!!
How about running a check down to PP in honor of Madonna today, hmmm?
No, no, Carla – they don’t write checks in honor of pro-choicers, don’tcha know? They write checks to PP in honor of pro-LIFERS on this site and other pro-life sites because it’s in-your-face spiteful and because they really don’t have an argument. (As you can see, supporting murder is a dirty business.) Plus, it’s classy, and pink is just so “in” right now.
To the women that have died during their first abortion I would think that ONE abortion was too many.
Sorry, Kel. I forgot!!
Abortion is a legal, safe procedure and I think there’s just no such thing as too many.
I’m getting the sneaking feeling that derrr might just work for the abortion industry. No such thing as too many means job security! :D
There’s no such thing as too much beer. Right? It’s legal.
No such thing as too much plastic surgery. :D (Dangit, where’s a photo of Joan Rivers when you need one? LOL)
Hi Carla!
You’re absolutely right, Kel. Giving women unrestricted access to have as many (or as few) abortions as they’d like does make me completely and unapologeticaly joyful.
No, Kel, I don’t work for the “abortion industry”. I’m lucky enough to be a stay at home mom right now, actually. Like I said before… I just trust all women enough to make choices about their own body and reproductive health. Unconditionally.
derrr says:
July 12, 2011 at 3:19 pm
You’re absolutely right, Kel. Giving women unrestricted access to have as many (or as few) abortions as they’d like does make me completely and unapologeticaly joyful.
If the above is true, then could you explain why you had the below reaction upon first learning of the abortions? I’m curious. You said:
I am dying at the “Madonna has had 11 abortions comment”…. thanks for the laugh this morning, Jacqueline.
I’m sure that even most pro-choice advocates wouldn’t say that there’s never such a thing as too many abortions. A large number of abortions would generally be linked to other social problems.
Anyway, fwiw, you don’t really trust all women enough to make choices about their own body, since you deny such a ‘choice’ to some women. In fact, your own argument necessitates that, at some point in your life, you had no choice about your own body.
(I’ll wait for the “there are no women in the unborn state” comment.)
Kris, my response about laughing about Madonna’s “alleged” abortions is because it’s funny… you guys never fail to make EVERYTHING about our side vs. their side. Even in Pamela’s comment above it says “Madonna is alleged to have as many as 11 terminations”… I don’t see any facts or medical statements. It’s funny (well, I guess I have to laugh about it so I don’t cry) that you guys are so obsessed with monitoring what goes on in other women’s reproductive organs. Do I believe that Madonna has had 11 abortions? Not really. Would I care if she did? Not at all.
So my statement still stands. I trust women enough to have as many (or as few) abortions as they feel is right and I don’t feel the need to speculate or judge what is happening in another woman’s uterus.
Some Guy, the mother’s rights trumps that of the fetus. Until my dying day I’ll say it. The mother’s rights trumps that of the fetus.
Obsessed?
Someone who is proabortion and giddy with joy over abortion continues to post on a prolife blog and we are obsessed??
Good one.
Absolutely giddy with joy, Carla. Oh how it kills you. :)
Hardly.
Honestly?
It makes me sad for you.
Interesting that you said “kills” though.
Some Guy, the mother’s rights trumps that of the fetus. Until my dying day I’ll say it. The mother’s rights trumps that of the fetus.
As a statement of what is, that’s not true. Abortion will become permissible at some point in time during pregnancy, and no amount of argument about the mother’s rights will change that. But it doesn’t matter much, anyway. Apparently, you don’t so much care about “all” women and choices as you do “some” women and choices, since you have no qualms with “some” women forcing choices on other women (though, perplexingly enough, you seem to have a problem with pro-lifers doing this exact thing as it relates to disallowing a certain choice).
…But, anyway, generally speaking, those most supportive of abortion are more likely to have abortions than are those who are less supportive of abortions are likely to have abortions should they both face an unwanted pregnancy. Holding this as true, and assuming that children are likely to adopt their parents views (not always, but in general), then it’s not a stretch to believe that the majority of children who are aborted would have grown up to be pro-choice. It seems kind of odd to be giddy over the erosion of one’s future base, but no one ever said pro-choicers were exactly logical.
Derrr, are you just as joyful about the choices of people who have 14 living children?
Does it make you joyful when women miscarry wanted children because of previous abortions?
Are you joyful when women can’t have the children they want to? Does it matter how many they want?
Do Nadya Suleman’s choices make you joyful?
Does it make you joyful when a man gets all the abortions he wants, even when his babymama doesn’t want them?
Are you joyful to find women who regret their abortions trying to convince others not to make their mistake?
Are you joyful that Hodari delivered preterm babies and killed them outside the womb?
Does adoption occasion joy for you?
Do infants born alive after botched abortions give you joy?
Does the story of baby Rowan, whose mom held him and loved him and regretted what she had done after giving birth to him very prematurely due to abortion, fill you with joy?
Does it fill you with joy when babies from wanted pregnancies are killed because they are not perfect?
Does it fill you with joy to see pro-lifers exercising their right to free speech? Or are only some rights joyful?
Well that’s quite a leap to assume that people always stick to the beliefs of their parents. Some children are raised pro-life and become pro-choice, some children are raised pro-choice and become anti-choice. To be honest, I’d love to speak to each one of your children and see what their thoughts are on the issue when you’re not around.
Still though, I have faith in progress. From my own experiences the more people get out in the world, get an education, and experience life beyond the Christian bubble you’d like America to be, the more and more they lean pro-choice. I’m more liberal than my parents, and they’re more liberal than their own.
Plus I’m not too worried about “killing off our base”, I guess. I have two children that I’m raising pro-choice, and I know hundreds of other women in my circle that are doing the same with their children. I think we’ll be okay. :)
SomeGuy and derrr,
The Roe Effect
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roe_effect
derrr,
Will you be giddy with joy when your children abort your grandchildren or pressure their girlfriends to abort your grandchildren?
What will you tell your children about abortion? Just curious. You could maybe answer that question on the thread about that.
http://www.jillstanek.com/2011/07/stanek-weekend-question-how-do-you-tell-children-about-abortion/
Derrr, are you just as joyful about the choices of people who have 14 living children?
Yes, if they want 14 children then I am happy for their choices.
Does it make you joyful when women miscarry wanted children because of previous abortions?
No, it makes me sad when any woman miscarries a wanted pregnancy. Miscarriages happen for many (usually unexplained) reasons and they are all sad.
Are you joyful when women can’t have the children they want to? Does it matter how many they want?
No, I understand that fertility issues can be a burden unlike any other. I don’t wish that on any woman that desires a pregnancy, no matter how many children she already has.
Do Nadya Suleman’s choices make you joyful?
Does the fact that Nadya Suleman was allowed to have a choice in how many children she wanted make me joyful? Yes. I don’t care to judge on another woman’s choices when it comes to her reproductive rights.
Does it make you joyful when a man gets all the abortions he wants, even when his babymama doesn’t want them?
No, never. I think if a woman gets pregnant and wants to keep the baby then she should be supported in that choice. If a woman gets pregnant and wants to put the child up for adoption then she should be supported in that choice. If a woman gets pregnant and she wants to have an abortion then she should be supported in that choice. I do not believe that the man has any right to influence, coerce, or manipulate a woman into making a choice that is not her own.
Are you joyful to find women who regret their abortions trying to convince others not to make their mistake?
As joyful as I am to come across women that DON’T regret their abortions and advocate to allow women to have the same choices they did. Some women regret their abortions, others do not. It is their individual right to do so and I don’t believe it’s my right to decide how a woman can feel about their own reproductive choices.
Are you joyful that Hodari delivered preterm babies and killed them outside the womb?
To be honest, I only have a few minutes left before my children get home so I don’t have time to research this so I don’t know. I do take everything printed on this site with a grain of salt since I know your “truths” are usually prone to a lot of bias.
Does adoption occasion joy for you?
Yes.
Do infants born alive after botched abortions give you joy?
No. A botched abortion is an abortion gone wrong. Any medical procedure gone wrong does not give me joy.
Does the story of baby Rowan, whose mom held him and loved him and regretted what she had done after giving birth to him very prematurely due to abortion, fill you with joy?
Again, grain of salt.
Does it fill you with joy when babies from wanted pregnancies are killed because they are not perfect?
If the woman chooses to have an abortion because she does not feel ready or capable of handling a defect of any kind then her right to do so gives me joy.
Does it fill you with joy to see pro-lifers exercising their right to free speech? Or are only some rights joyful?
Free speech in general gives me joy. But I’m not here to argue with you about free speech, right? :)
Carla, you can go read my comment to Some Guy again. That’s my response to the Roe Effect. You’ve tried that with me before and I’d say it’s quite a leap to assume that a child born to pro-life parents will always grow up pro-life, and a child born to pro-choice parents will always grow up pro-choice.
Also a Wikipedia page does not a credible theory make. Let me know when you have some facts and actual studies to back that up. Thanks! :)
Also, Carla, I will never pressure anyone to get an abortion. I will simply support my children in all their choices. That’s called unconditional love.
Well that’s quite a leap to assume that people always stick to the beliefs of their parents. Some children are raised pro-life and become pro-choice, some children are raised pro-choice and become anti-choice. To be honest, I’d love to speak to each one of your children and see what their thoughts are on the issue when you’re not around.
One, I don’t have any children. Two, it’s not a leap at all. I did not say that people always stick to the belief of their parents. I said in general.
Still though, I have faith in progress. From my own experiences the more people get out in the world, get an education, and experience life beyond the Christian bubble you’d like America to be, the more and more they lean pro-choice. I’m more liberal than my parents, and they’re more liberal than their own.
This simply isn’t born out of evidence. First of all, generally speaking, in the U.S., as they age, people become more conservative, not liberal. As has been the case for decades, conservatives outnumber liberals by almost 2:1. Second of all, I think you might want to look at the pro-life/pro-choice divide over the past 16 years. You will see a clear trend in a decrease in the number of people calling themselves pro-choice and an uptick in the number of people calling themselves pro-life. Unless you’re going to argue that Americans are becoming increasingly isolated within their own Christian communities or are becoming less educated, you’d be wrong in your assessment.
Plus I’m not too worried about “killing off our base”, I guess. I have two children that I’m raising pro-choice, and I know hundreds of other women in my circle that are doing the same with their children. I think we’ll be okay.
You should be worried. I don’t think trying to draw a conclusion based on “your circle” is a good arguing point. Over the past twenty or thirty years, this has been studied extensively, and younger Americans are more disapproving of abortion, in general, than their elders, not more likely. I’ve posted a few links explaining this but they never seem to get read by any pro-choicer.
Derrr,
“I will simply support my children in all their choices. That’s called unconditional love.”
This is clearly not the case. I’m sure you would not support your children if they wanted to take away the right to vote from women or if they devoted their lives to reinstating segregation laws or if they wanted to blow up the entire country of France, etc. This points to the fact that unconditional love is NOT supporting everything everyone wants to do; rather, it is desiring their good, even if it means rebuking them and not allowing them to do things that they want to do. Thus unconditional love is ordered towards the objective good of the individual, not simply their subjective wants or desires.
Also a Wikipedia page does not a credible theory make. Let me know when you have some facts and actual studies to back that up. Thanks!
I don’t really have the desire to go pulling up tons of studies, but here are two for you :)
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With the exception of the period from 1982 to 1985, where older people are more opposed to abortion than younger people in Model 1, age is significant only in the full model, and is consistently positive in its association with abortion approval, indicating that after controlling for other factors, older people are more approving of abortion than younger people.
http://www.michelepolak.com/200fall10/Weekly_Schedule_files/Strickler.pdf
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On the question of legality, when controlling for other characteristics, Millennials are surprisingly more than 1.3 times more likely than older Americans to say that abortion should be illegal in all or most cases.
http://www.publicreligion.org/objects/uploads/62/Millennials_Abortion_and_Religion_Survey_Report.pdf
(I’m not really a fan of the above in its entirety, though, because they make a ton of simple errors, like assuming causation = correlation or something similar. But I found the above to be quite funny.)
Honestly, if you looked, you’d be able to find a lot of writing on this subject.
If my daughter wanted to marry a druggie, I wouldn’t support her. If my daughter wanted to jump off a bridge, I wouldn’t support her. If my daughter wanted to rob a bank, I wouldn’t support her in that. If my daughter wanted an abortion, I would beg her not to kill my grandchild.
Love means wanting what’s best for someone. Abortion is never best. No one wants an abortion–they may not have wanted to get pregnant, but I doubt many woman want an abortion. So abortion means something has gone wrong, even from your point of view.
Love means helping people be all they can be, and teaching them to do right (at least when it comes to one’s children). Unconditional love means I love my children no matter what, not that I support or encourage all their choices. When my children make poor choices, especially ones that hurt themselves or others, I still love them–but I am disappointed. I may not be able to force my kids to make a good choice, but I can and should encourage it. I can’t force them to help pick up, but I can discipline them for refusing and praise and reward them for participating. If I distinguish between good and bad choices, and help them make good ones, I’m doing my job as a mom. I can empower them to choose as they see fit when the choice is something they can handle, one that doesn’t have a right or wrong answer–like what book to read before nap-time or what clothes to wear tomorrow. But if my daughter hits my son (her choice of what to do with her body), my unconditional love for her means I let her know that’s a poor choice and help her try to make a better one. It also is the best way to show unconditional love for my son, whom I also love, and whose body is also involved. When/if my daughter becomes a mother, I will love my grandchild unconditionally as well.
If my son hits my daughter and I ignore them, or I just tell the aggressor that I support him whatever he chooses to do, I am not being loving to either child. I am not helping the aggressor love his sister or make good choices or become a better person. I am not defending my daughter or showing her she’s important to me or showing respect for her person.
young christian woman, the difference between you and I is that I don’t think abortion is inherently wrong. If one of my daughters came to me years down the road and wanted an abortion I would support her. If she came to me and wanted to keep the child then I would also support her. Same for adoption.
Of course as a parent it is my job to teach my children the difference between right and wrong. I just don’t see abortion as a wrong.
Some Guy, I promise, I will get to your comments. I want to have enough time to read and research instead of just rattling off a reply.
As for the rest of the comments I just don’t have time to respond today. Maybe tomorrow. See y’all later! :)
No acknowledgment for my last post? That’s not terribly surprising. I guess pro-choicers really do not want to acknowledge the truth of the matter, that being that time isn’t on their side. Eventually, the diehard pro-choicers will die off and be replaced by a generation which is less approving of abortion than the last was. There are numerous reasons for this, but I don’t think it’s a stretch to believe that part of the reason this is so is due to pro-choicers killing those children who would otherwise grow up to carry the pro-choice mantle.
No, Kel, I don’t work for the “abortion industry”. I’m lucky enough to be a stay at home mom right now, actually. Like I said before… I just trust all women enough to make choices about their own body and reproductive health. Unconditionally.
Killing one’s growing unborn child isn’t making “choices about their own body and reproductive health.” It’s a tidy little euphemism, isn’t it?
What you’re really saying is “I trust all women enough to let them kill their children before birth.” This, coming from a mother, is something I will never understand. You SEE your unborn child on the ultrasound screen and you know that child is human.
Whether it’s your child or someone else’s, I don’t see how anyone can rejoice in the fact that a choice a woman made directly caused a living, human child to die.
that you guys are so obsessed with monitoring what goes on in other women’s reproductive organs.
And what would that be derrr? What exactly goes on in other women’s reproductive organs?
Are we obsessed with menstruation? Ovulation? Cysts?
Or are we “obsessed” with the fact that another distinct human being is growing in that reproductive organ called the uterus and believe that it is wrong to kill that human being?
It isn’t funny, derrr, and the fact that you think it is really says more about you than it does pro-lifers.
Of course as a parent it is my job to teach my children the difference between right and wrong. I just don’t see abortion as a wrong.
I’m wondering what extreme instance it would take to get you to actually view it as wrong.
Would watching Gosnell snip the spinal cords of living but ABORTED babies give you pause? After all, as you said: “The rights of the mother trump the rights of the fetus.” If that fetus was destined for termination and that mother wanted that child dead, do deeds like Kermit Gosnell’s cause you to rethink? Would witnessing an actual abortion do it?
Or maybe you’ve already witnessed one. Maybe it was your own.
From my own experiences the more people get out in the world, get an education, and experience life beyond the Christian bubble you’d like America to be, the more and more they lean pro-choice.
Once again, not every prolife person is Christian. We have atheists and agnostics here, as well as some Jewish posters (my Jewish/Buddhist ex-husband is prolife) Many Hindus and some Buddhists are prolife. Muslims tend to be prolife as well.
I am a Christian but if someone say, found a tomb that contained Jesus’ bones, I still would be prolife. My daughter is prolife and so is her fiance. As for my son the atheist — he thinks “abortion sucks” (no pun intended). :-(
Also, many of us are quite well educated, thank you. I have two degrees and will start on my master’s in the fall. I have also been to Europe, Mexico, and have traveled throughout the U.S. and the Carribbean, so I would say that I have “gotten out in the world” quite a bit. Prolifers are not the uneducated hicks the MSM make us out to be.
I was quoting one of MANY articles about Madonna’s abortions, derrr. I don’t HAVE to back them up. I didn’t write them. That was also in reply to Denise’s comment:
ELEVEN? Where did you read or hear this?
That sounds very high.
I will pray for you, derrr, you seem to REALLY need it.
Your behavior here isn’t doing you any favors. Just makes you come across as VERY immature.
“I’m wondering what extreme instance it would take to get you to actually view it as wrong.
Would watching Gosnell snip the spinal cords of living but ABORTED babies give you pause? After all, as you said: “The rights of the mother trump the rights of the fetus.” If that fetus was destined for termination and that mother wanted that child dead, do deeds like Kermit Gosnell’s cause you to rethink? Would witnessing an actual abortion do it?”
Or maybe you’ve already witnessed one. Maybe it was your own.
Kel, there you go again… making assumptions on the state of another woman’s uterus. You just can’t help yourself, can you?
You may not be able to understand a mother identifying as pro-choice but luckily there are plenty of us to keep fighting the good fight. I simply don’t understand women that actively try to oppress other women under the label “pro-life” but I guess there are plenty of you too.
Eleven sounds very high? What a joke. Abortion on demand without apology means 11 is just the start, doesn’t it? Why not 21? Why not 31? Abortion fans are so inconsistent in their own beliefs. The only consistent thing they seem to be able to handle is commenting on pro-life sites how obsessed we are while they keep commenting and keep commenting…
Or maybe you’ve already witnessed one. Maybe it was your own.
Kel, there you go again… making assumptions on the state of another woman’s uterus. You just can’t help yourself, can you?
Apparently you don’t know what an assumption is as opposed to a suggestion.
This “oppress women” garbage is just that – garbage. Yes, how dare those founding feminists “oppress” women by opposing and speaking out against abortion while at the same time fighting for women’s rights which did NOT include the right to kill one’s own children.
If you kill your children to get where you want to go in life, I hope it’s worth it when you get there.
P.S. – I find it hilarious that when a person doesn’t want to answer a question, they change names and use a web anonymizer. Speaks VOLUMES.
Hey derrr,(I sound Norwegian)
When a family is proabortion and raise their 2 children to be proabortion and those children have abortions and then end up maybe having 2 children each it stands to reason that the proabortion movement is in fact aborting themselves. You may end up with 4 grandchildren.
There is a name for it. It is called The Roe Effect. I linked to the definition of The Roe Effect. But ALWAYS be suspicious of links. ALWAYS question the links and take them with a grain of salt. Links can be vewy scwawy.
Contrast that with a family like the Duggars who will raise their 19 children to be prolife. They won’t abort their children and let’s just say that they each have 10 children of their own. That would be 190 grandchildren raised to be prolife and the beat goes on…….
But I have tried this with you before I guess.
Muwhahahahahahhaha
Thank you for the links SomeGuy!!
If you kill your children to get where you want to go in life, I hope it’s worth it when you get there.
Hey derrr,(I sound Norwegian)
Jill’s place has some of the best quotes and is always good for a giggle or two to boot!
For the record, I haven’t always been a Christian. My parents weren’t Christian. I became a Christian in college when I realized a Creator God is the only logical explanation for the beautiful world we believe in, and that I was a sinner who could not save myself or do good when I wanted to. I threw myself on the mercies of the God of all the universe–and not only did He forgive me, he made me his daughter.
I plan to raise my children first and foremost to be Christians. And I do plan to outbreed you.
From my own experiences the more people get out in the world, get an education, and experience life beyond the Christian bubble you’d like America to be, the more and more they lean pro-choice.
It is true that many college students are “pro-choice”… duh. They aren’t pro-choice because of their education but because they are promiscuous. In my experience, truly educated people who comprehend the biology of new life and the philosophy upon which our legal system is built tend to be pro-life. Jill Stanek and Gerard Nadal certainly qualify as “educated”.
“I plan to raise my children first and foremost to be Christians. And I do plan to outbreed you.”
haha, me too, YCW! :)
And Eric, you bring up a great point – college students tend to be pro-choice because they are promiscuous, which also means they will probably delay marriage – and children – much later. It is now considered completely normal to be childless by choice – but for many Christians and certainly for pro-lifers, children are a blessing.
Of course we are going to outbreed the pro-aborts. Our very worldview encourages as many children as possible and theirs views children as commodities to be limited.
I am reading an excellent book “What’s So Great About Chrisitianity” by Dinesh D’Souza it his book he answers questions like “Is Christianity obsolete? Can an intelligent person believe the Bible? Has Christianity been disproved by science? Believers, atheist, agnostics and seekers should take the time to read it. Love his chapter “Survival of the Sacred:Why Relgion Is Winning.
Dinesh D’Souza! That’s funny.