Mother claims she is “a happier person now” thanks to abortion
A few days later, we were in the car, Kiddo in the car seat in the back of his Dodge Neon. We were on our way to the Planned Parenthood. When we got there, it was blessedly free of protesters. I don’t know what I would have done if they had been there that morning. I probably would have ended up screaming at them, asking them if they were going to pay for not only this baby but the one I already had….
I was in no mood to be called a murderer for doing what was right for me and my daughter. I was not murdering my child. My child was already here, alive, breathing, laughing, crying, growing. What was inside me only had the potential to become a baby. How was that potential life more important than the life I was already caring for?…
[Four years later] I’m still single and pretty happy that way. I’m saving for Kiddo’s college education and a vacation to Disney World. I am fulfilled and challenged by what I do both as a mother and as an independent working woman.
I wouldn’t be here if I had not had that abortion. None of this would have been possible if I had gone through with that pregnancy. That abortion saved my life. I wouldn’t have been able to go back to school, study software and computers and get my foot in the door. I would not have this career laid out before me. It gave me the means to achieve my goals and set new ones…. I am a happier person now and it is thanks to having that option to abort available to me.
Most of all, I am a better mother. I am better able to provide for Kiddo. I am not paralyzed by worry and fear due to having a second child that would stretch me beyond my means. I am confident in my ability to raise her and raise her well. She has my full devotion.
~ Ann Kingsleigh, describing “How My Abortion Enabled Me To Be A Better Mother,” Mommyish, September 13
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
Perhaps America should have a family allowance system under which a mother automatically receives an adequate sum from the government for the care of a child. Thus, there would be less worry about stretching a family beyond its means.
It may also be true that we need to put in more help of other sorts for mothers in general. The mother can’t do everything but that should not necessarily dictate her family’s size. As a society, we need to think of ways to allow more help in general for mothers.
This woman should have been able to reach and achieve goals without having an abortion. A family allowance system might have been a way to help and I’m sure other people can think of other ways to aid mothers in financial straits.
I should add that I believe it likely this woman is aware of adoption. If she’s not, I would favor giving her information about it including the possibility of open adoption and the possibility of input she could have regarding choosing adoptive parents.
However, I think it’s probable that, like most females with problem pregnancies, she was not apt to carry for nine months, give birth, and then turn a baby over to someone else to completely raise. Helping her raise her own baby through greater governmental support and others types of assistance would be more realistic ways to motivate her to continue her pregnancy to term.
I wouldn’t be here if I had not had that abortion.
Perhaps not, but how does she know that? Moreover, how does she know she wouldn’t be in a BETTER place with two children? She killed a child solely based on her fears of what would happen, when she had no sure knowledge of the future.
How sad, both for her and her dead child… not to mention shortsighted.
Also, if her situation was so precarious that having another child would destroy it utterly, what on earth was she doing having sex in the first place (presumably with someone who had no intention of sticking around to help support a child)? Seems like a huge risk to take.
In response to Ms. Denise Noe above, I would say yes, the government or society SHOULD help this woman IF the government or society provided the sperm necessary for the child’s conception. There is a lesson from Biology 101 that these people seem to to forget. Conception requires two people. the father of that aborted (murdered) child is responsible (as is the mother – if it was consensual – and she gives no evidence of a rape in this story) and He should be held accountable for his reckless and boorish actions. To walk through life carelessly spreading one’s genes around from woman to woman is reprehensible and if more FATHERS of aborted babies were held responsible, government and society would not need to step in.
@Denise…government assistance wouldn’t have taken away her self-projected worry about having another child or the fact that she wanted to finish her schooling in a certain time and way. Plus, there is ample government assistance for women in her situation if she really wanted to keep the child. No, she seemed to want things a certain way and sadly for her unborn child, that meant his or her death. Giving a child up for adoption is not an easy emotional option, but it is a valid and real one that not only preserves the life a child, enriches the life of a childless couple, but also allows for women to pursue their immediate plans. How heartbreaking for her daughter that her “happier” mother killed her sibling. I wonder in 20-some odd years if her daughter will resent that ‘choice?’
What was inside me only had the potential to become a baby.
So what was it – an alien?
People who claim it’s not a child of theirs – an actual baby, are at odds with reality. It’s like they enter a world of make-believe, except they genuinely alter reality. It’s not merely all in their heads.
We consider people who live in imaginary worlds to be mentally ill.
Anne’s essay is a loud, demanding, complete denial of reality. Shredding your own child to enhance your own happiness, no matter what the age of the child, is sick – as in mentally imbalanced.
Anne needs to get well.
Gordon says:
September 15, 2011 at 7:39 am
In response to Ms. Denise Noe above, I would say yes, the government or society SHOULD help this woman IF the government or society provided the sperm necessary for the child’s conception. There is a lesson from Biology 101 that these people seem to to forget. Conception requires two people. the father of that aborted (murdered) child is responsible (as is the mother – if it was consensual – and she gives no evidence of a rape in this story) and He should be held accountable for his reckless and boorish actions. To walk through life carelessly spreading one’s genes around from woman to woman is reprehensible and if more FATHERS of aborted babies were held responsible, government and society would not need to step in.
(Denise) To a large extent, the human male has been biologically programmed by millions of years of evolution through natural selection to “carelessly spread his genes around from woman to woman.” It is because the ancestors of today’s man had more descendants if they engaged in sex with many women. This is why the majority of heterosexual men are attracted to females who are in the age range of greatest fertility — 15 years old to 30 years old. Men often find a narrow waist appealing. It signals that the female isn’t pregnant — and he can get her pregnant.
Throughout history, society has attempted to set limits on male behavior in order to protect human children. Marriage evolved in large part to link men to offspring and ensure that men would assist pregnant females and children. The child support system also attempts to do this.
JoAnna says:
September 15, 2011 at 7:33 am
Also, if her situation was so precarious that having another child would destroy it utterly, what on earth was she doing having sex in the first place (presumably with someone who had no intention of sticking around to help support a child)? Seems like a huge risk to take.
(Denise) It doesn’t just SEEM like a huge risk to take. It IS a huge risk to take.
I would speculate that biology is in there as well. Sexual desires exist independently of the desire to deal with their consequences. Particularly in the case of females, much sexual behavior isn’t motivated by erotic lust but by a desire for physical or emotional closeness and other emotional yearnings.
She doesn’t mention contraception. I don’t know if contraception failed or she wasn’t using any. I certainly hope that she has been conscientiously using contraceptives since this troubling abortion or that she is no longer engaging in the type of sex that could get her pregnant.
Okay, for the record, and so that it’s been said nice and loud:
Made My Life Much Easier ? Saved My Life
The fact that if [scenario] had occurred a person’s life might be more difficult/complicated/uncertain/unpredictable/other-adjective-here does not amount to their life being in danger from that scenario. The things you are afraid of are not necessarily dangerous. And in this case, we know they aren’t because she spells out what it was she was frightened of and none of them were life threatening. A new baby would’ve made life different, but that does not equate to a new baby ending your life.
Do not appropriate a more dramatic situation than the one you actually have. That is lying.
no, your baby was already a baby and you denied hm or her the right to be a toddler, pretend to be a fireman or policeman or princess. The denial to learn to ride a bike or ride a pony at the zoo. The denial to graduate with honors from college. The denial to be a doctor, a lawyer or a astronaut, That baby was a child with potential, not a POTENTIAL CHILD. Was your first child a “potential” baby or a baby?
If there had been protestors, they would most likely had been quiet ones…praying for the woman and her preborn baby.
Hmmm…. sorry little girl, no little brother or sister to grow up with, share memories with, to teach you to be a little less selfish and to be your best friend when you are grown (I have 3 siblings, I know this) but HEY! You’re going to DISNEY WORLD! Is this somehow supposed to make up for the fact that she killed her daughter’s sibling?
Btw, I am living a scenario of extreme financial duress. When I conceived my son (while on bc) we were very poor. But we had our son and things got better financially. Things were really looking up. We were starting to prepare to buy our first house. Then my husband and I both lost our jobs within a month of each other. My husband gave me my heart’s desire by letting me be a stay at home mom (could not afford day care without the salary I had had) and he went back to work. We decided that our son was getting older and needed a sibling. We got pregnant the very first month we tried and we were thrilled. Right after we discovered we were pregnant with our second child my husband’s hours were cut. This Summer was rough. Things are still really really tight. I haven’t been this financially strapped since I was 20 years old and living on my own for the first time. So what should I do? Dismember the 12 week old baby in my womb since our economic situation is looking a little less rosy? My husband now works 2 jobs and I know things will get better. We may never be able to buy our own house (live in an area where average home price is $350,000-$400,000 which is WAY above what we can afford now). But you know what? My dad grew up during the depression. He didn’t have much. Kids were crammed into bedrooms and wore hand me downs. And they survived. In fact, they didn’t grow up to be spoiled little brats. My son is fed, clothed and we have a roof over our heads. We may not be able to afford a vacation to Disney World but I never went there as a kid either and I am just fine. But my son will have a sibling who will be there all his life. And my second baby will be ALIVE and know that its not alright to kill children when times get tough.
i am so tired of the excuses women come up with to justify their abortions. You may not be able to finish school, you may not be able to afford big vacations… but you really think this is justification for killing your growing child? What a society of selfish, materialistic whiners we have become.
How can she be so devoted to her daughter when she seemed to be so devoted to all the things she said she wouldn’t have had if she had the abortion?
More important than her career is a child. She might have a job, but she only has one baby to show for two pregnancies. That’s a tragedy.
Btw, wanted to let you know if you can catch “The Doctors” today on TV. Ann Coulter will be on arguing against the whacky doctors who want us all to pay for birth control pills.
This is so angering beyond words. Killing one child does not somehow make you a better parent to the one you let live. It makes you the murderer of your child’s sibling. That is a slight. If someone killed one of my 5 siblings tomorrow, I wouldn’t say they’d done me a favor.
This woman is delusional.
I fret for what may happen to “perfect” “Kiddo” when she fails to fit into her mother’s plans.
Ann Kingsleigh says that she is a happier person now, because she aborted her second child.
She tells herself this, every day. Day after day after day after day…..
Tragic.
Pray for her healing.
This is sickening. And it also shows the blatant lie behind abortion. Pro-aborts want vulnerable women to think about the next 18 years when they become pregnant, instead of just the next few months. This woman didn’t need an abortion to save ANY of the things she mentioned. If she didn’t want/felt she couldn’t raise the child she could have abandoned it at a safe haven spot or worked with a public or private adoption agency for either an open or closed adoption. This woman ‘saved’ herself from a few months of looking pregnant and the incredibly transitive (and easily negated) rigors of labor at the cost of another’s LIFE. The ‘need’ for an abortion is one of the biggest lies that has ever been sold to a gullible public.
I read her entire story at the link and it’s horrifying. The twisted logic that killing her baby made her a better mother?!? That “kiddo” is so happy today because Mommy killed her sibling? That life is so sweet because she made the “right decision” to kill a baby she never wanted, a baby she made with a guy she admits was never going to be a serious relationship? She said they both knew it would never end in marriage and babies…. uh, it did end in a baby!! The irresponsibility is what galls me. The callousness, selfishness, and immaturity.
This woman pats herself on the back for making such a thoughtful and careful and responsible “choice.” This is the attitude among pro-aborts that makes me so livid. They don’t give a damn about the life they brought into being through their own actions; they martyr themselves on the altar of “choice” and congratulate themselves for bravely doing the right thing. A child is dead and they’re applauding their own power. The only definition for that is evil.
This is what taking responsibility for your actions looks like. This woman had the presence of mind to step back in a delicate situation, dispassionately reflect on it, and do what needed to be done for the sake of herself and her family. Today, they’re happier, healthier, and self-sufficient because of it. Truly inspiring. Her daughter is going to have a wonderful role model as she grows older.
This woman had the presence of mind to step back in a delicate situation, dispassionately reflect on it, and do what needed to be done for the sake of herself and her family.
Yes, joan, that’s what she should have done. It was what exactly what she should have done before she decided to have that irresponsible sexual relationship to begin with. Instead she gets pregnant and wakes up to the fact that she’s been irresponsible, she compounds that irresponsibility by killing her child instead of shouldering the responsibility of seeing it was cared for. She robbed her other child of a sibling and made her mother into a murderer. Not a thing she did was responsible.
Wow, joan. If someone else has to die in your world when one wants to “take responsibility for actions” I hate to see what your backyard looks like. Or maybe you’re just really irresponsible. I’m hoping for the latter.
Has this woman ever heard of the word “adoption”? Wait, that would probably have been too hard on her. Because it really is all about her after all. Thank goodness that her daughter (who is without siblings) will be able to go to DisneyWorld!
Hey, what are you gonna do after your abortion?
I’M GOIN’ TA DISNEY WORLD!!!!!
Yeah, who wants a sibling when you could have Mickey Mouse.
(Oh, and isn’t it funny how you *know* when the relationship’s going nowhere, but you sleep together anyway, which results in a baby and then an abortion, AFTER which you decide to tell each other, “Hey, ya know, I think this has been over for a while and we’re better as friends.” As Adam Sandler said in The Wedding Singer, “That could’ve been brought to my attention YESTERDAAAAYYY!!”)
Would this woman have had the baby if it had been mandatory for a female seeking an abortion to see a picture of what an embryo or fetus looks like at her stage of pregnancy?
Having a second child might have meant sacrificing some of her goals. However, there are many mothers with children who live on welfare. I had a cousin who was divorced from her husband and had 2 children. She drew welfare.
…what needed to be done for the sake of herself and her family
Joan, how do you know that killing her child was what NEEDED to be done? Are you able to discern the future with 100% accuracy? Is she?
I’m with Chris.
She is mentally ill.
Happy, happy, joy, joy for the mother of two who let one live.
“Having a second child might have meant sacrificing some of her goals. However, there are many mothers with children who live on welfare. I had a cousin who was divorced from her husband and had 2 children. She drew welfare.”
Believe it or not, there are actually people out there who aren’t willing to give up their dreams in order to live on government assistance and pump out babies.
“Joan, how do you know that killing her child was what NEEDED to be done? Are you able to discern the future with 100% accuracy? Is she?”
Oh, you’re right. In fact, why even try to plan ahead at all? Since you can’t discern the future with 100% accuracy, that means you shouldn’t even make an educated guess about where you’ll be any further than, say, a day in the future.
Joan, which of my two children should I kill because I want to go to college? The baby, since she is less developed?
I asked you before, and you didn’t answer. If death is an acceptable solution to poverty and deprivation, can we round up everyone on welfare and shoot them?
Believe it or not, there are actually people out there who aren’t willing to give up their dreams in order to live on government assistance and pump out babies.
And believe it or not, there are actually people out there who aren’t willing to give up their dreams to the point that they would cause physical harm to someone else and even kill them to either not have to provide resources to them or take the resources they already have from them. (fixed for ya! ^_~)
Also, joan, who the hell said anything about “pump out babies” plural? She had already “pumped out babies”, but because of her abortion, the second baby she “pumped out” was dead. It’s not as though ANYONE here has advocated that she continue irresponsibly in this manner, and as a matter of fact, you’ll see every comment STRONGLY to the contrary. This woman is welcome to close her legs or sterilize herself any time, and I don’t think anyone here would argue against that.
THAT is REAL “reproductive choice and freedom”, because abortion is killing the human being who has already been produced by reproduction.
“I asked you before, and you didn’t answer. If death is an acceptable solution to poverty and deprivation, can we round up everyone on welfare and shoot them?”
I can’t have a productive dialogue with you or anyone else here who can only make arguments by begging the question like this. If I accepted your premise that abortion is murder, then we wouldn’t have a difference of opinion to begin with, would we?
@To walk through life carelessly spreading one’s genes around from woman to woman is reprehensible and if more FATHERS of aborted babies were held responsible, government and society would not need to step in.
Good point. Where was the father in this situation?
Has this woman ever heard of the word “adoption”? Wait, that would probably have been too hard on her.
Another good point. I’ve often heard aborting women say they couldn’t “bear” to place their baby for adoption with a stranger, but it’s okay to have him or her dissected or suctioned out and thrown away with the medical waste. I’m sorry, but there’s alot of selfishness involved with this issue and I find it truly sickening.
I didn’t call abortion murder, you decided to read it that way to avoid the question. You cannot deny that abortion kills a human organism, whether you choose to believe it is a “person” or not. So, what other stages of life, besides z/e/f, are acceptable to kill as a remedy to social problems?
Abortion isn’t murder only because murder is the UNLAWFUL killing of another human being by someone. It’s currently legal. Our position is only that killing an innocent human being by or at the behest of their biological parent(s) should not be allowed by law. If you are ready to put your money where your mouth is and prove to us that abortion is not the taking of the life of a living human being by or at the behest of at least one of that human being’s relatives, then by all means, please do so that we can begin to open up a dialogue and see things your way, joanie.
“I can’t have a productive dialogue with you or anyone else here who can only make arguments by begging the question like this. If I accepted your premise that abortion is murder, then we wouldn’t have a difference of opinion to begin with, would we?”
Hang on.. Jack’s question is not question begging… in fact, he was pointing out teh question begging nature of your argument (unless he has misinterpreted it). For it seems that you believe that abortion is a morally acceptable practice because it solves a situation in which you need to do something desirable for yourself (like, say attend school). Now, could you kill a two year old in order to go back to school? No, of course not. Why not? Because you cannot kill an innocent human being in order to gain personal achievement, no matter how great the achievement. Thus, you saying that abortion is morally permissible in the case of wanting to go back to school is to assume that the unborn is not an innocent human being (or person) which is precisely the thing that you need to prove because it is the main claim of the pro-life movement.
So by making the argument that abortion is acceptable in times of poverty or whatever, you are implicitly assuming that the unborn is not a human being or person, which is question begging.
Good point. Where was the father in this situation?
Cutting the check for the abortion. If this was all about what she chose, and wanted, and thought, why did HE THANK HER FOR GETTING THE ABORTION AND THEN PAY FOR IT? Abortion is liberating for women. My a$$ it is.
He might as well have told her he left her money on his dresser and to lock the door on her way out. Oh, wait-that would’ve made more sense because she might’ve come out ahead instead of not even breaking even, as she did.
Yeah, super-liberating. It’s so awesome that a man can request that a woman kill their developing child because he doesn’t want to deal with the consequences of getting laid. /sarcasm
Oh, you’re right. In fact, why even try to plan ahead at all? Since you can’t discern the future with 100% accuracy, that means you shouldn’t even make an educated guess about where you’ll be any further than, say, a day in the future.
That’s the problem, Joan. She didn’t even attempt to make an educated guess. She projected the absolute worst-case scenario, and killed a human being based on the assumption that the worst-case scenario WOULD happen.
She didn’t, apparently, consider that there was an equally viable option (adoption) that would allow her to let her child live and allow her to pursue her goals.
When you’re dealing with the life of another human being, don’t you think you ought to attempt to actually make an educated guess about the future instead of assuming that the projected worst-case scenario would definitely happen?
She killed her own child for a short trip to Disneyworld? My, the value we put on life in this country. Shame on us.
“Hey Mom, did we go on any fun outtings when I was a toddler?”
“Sure, honey, you came along with me when we killed your little sister.”
“….”
“I’m so happy you won’t have to share your toys with anyone. Shall we stop for ice cream?”
@Jack — is that your son or daughter in the photo? If so, he or she is adorable! Reminds me of my grandson with those big brown eyes. He’s three years old now and laughs and smiles — he is so cute!
“I didn’t call abortion murder, you decided to read it that way to avoid the question.”
Of course you did. It’s an implied premise, because otherwise how could you compare abortion to rounding up and shooting people?
“For it seems that you believe that abortion is a morally acceptable practice because it solves a situation in which you need to do something desirable for yourself (like, say attend school)… So by making the argument that abortion is acceptable in times of poverty or whatever, you are implicitly assuming that the unborn is not a human being or person, which is question begging.”
I didn’t make that claim at all. I’ve never made the argument that the morality of abortion is contingent on some situational factor like attending school or living in conditions of poverty.
“That’s the problem, Joan. She didn’t even attempt to make an educated guess. She projected the absolute worst-case scenario, and killed a human being based on the assumption that the worst-case scenario WOULD happen.”
How can you possibly know that? Were you there alongside her every step of the decision-making process as she determined the consequences of either course of action?
How can you possibly know that? Were you there alongside her every step of the decision-making process as she determined the consequences of either course of action?
Were you there, Joan? How do you know that wasn’t exactly what she did?
She states, with 100% certainty, that having a second child would’ve prevented her from reaching her goals. “I wouldn’t be here if I had not had that abortion. None of this would have been possible if I had gone through with that pregnancy. That abortion saved my life. I wouldn’t have been able to go back to school, study software and computers and get my foot in the door. I would not have this career laid out before me. It gave me the means to achieve my goals and set new ones….”
Those are all declarative sentences. She believes, without a doubt, that none of the above would have happened if not for the death of her child. So, I have made an educated guess, based on the available evidence, that she projected the the worst-case scenario as reality and had an abortion based on that projection. She apparently did not stop to consider that adoption would have spared the life of her child while still allowing her to achieve her goals.
How sweet! She gets to go to Disneyland!!!!
Joan: the real question is: Exactly WHAT are we aborting when we abort? WHAT is it?
Please answer.
blah blah blah, decision making process, blah blah…
Murder is murder. A dead human embryo by any other name is just as dead. Post abortive women know this. We don’t kid ourselves about how wonderful ‘choice’ is. This woman is in total denial. I hope she gets well soon.
Joan,
You originally wrote
“This is what taking responsibility for your actions looks like. This woman had the presence of mind to step back in a delicate situation, dispassionately reflect on it, and do what needed to be done for the sake of herself and her family. Today, they’re happier, healthier, and self-sufficient because of it. Truly inspiring. Her daughter is going to have a wonderful role model as she grows older.”
Then I said
“For it seems that you believe that abortion is a morally acceptable practice because it solves a situation in which you need to do something desirable for yourself (like, say attend school)… So by making the argument that abortion is acceptable in times of poverty or whatever, you are implicitly assuming that the unborn is not a human being or person, which is question begging.”
You replied
“I didn’t make that claim at all. I’ve never made the argument that the morality of abortion is contingent on some situational factor like attending school or living in conditions of poverty.”
But your original argument implies PRECISELY what I claimed it did; that is, you said that because of a delicate situation and the sake of her family, abortion was responsible thing to do. So then Jack brought up the question that if HE was in a delicate situation and for the sake of his family, would it be morally permissible to kill his 2 year old? So you are claiming that abortion was morally permissible in the situation because it was a delicate situation, which implies that the unborn is not human or a person since you presumably would not say that in a delicate situation and for the sake of the family, one may kill their two year old.
I suppose you could try and argue that you were only making a claim about responsibility and not morality; but then, what would have been the purpose of your original post?
“I wouldn’t be here if I had not had that abortion.” I wonder if she’ll be repeating that mantra through all eternity?
Miss Kingsleigh was an utter fool to write this article. For one day Kiddo will be old enough to read and will take in this article. While Joan thinks that Kiddo will praise his/her mother as the best mom ever, I think it is quite likely that he or she will feel as I do. My mom aborted her third child. I think about my brother/sister frequently and feel the loss so much. I’ve tried to forgive my mom but so far it hasn’t worked. I love my mother but I don’t respect her and I still have anger and contempt for her actions. She didn’t end a pregnancy, she stole my sibling’s life. If my mother had told me that she aborted to improve life for me and my brother I think that would have to walk away from her and not speak to her for years or maybe never again. I would much rather have a living brother or sister than any material thing.
Thanks phillymiss! That’s my daughter, Arya, when she was eight months old.
Sure joan, avoid the question again.
“Were you there, Joan? How do you know that wasn’t exactly what she did?”
No, of course not. I’m taking her word for it because she obviously knows her situation better than anyone else. Most people would expect and receive that kind of deference from others, especially those that don’t even know them personally.
“So, I have made an educated guess, based on the available evidence, that she projected the the worst-case scenario as reality and had an abortion based on that projection.”
Do you not see that your educated guess about her situation is inferior to her own educated guess, given that she has access to massive amounts of relevant information that you don’t? Maybe she did assume the worst possible scenario and base her decision on that. So what? Responsible contingency planning should take into account worst-case scenarios. Did she weigh that possible scenario in a way that is reflective of its actual chances of coming about? Who knows, but it’s not for us to second-guess.
“But your original argument implies PRECISELY what I claimed it did; that is, you said that because of a delicate situation and the sake of her family, abortion was responsible thing to do.”
Yes, but I didn’t comment on its moral status.
“So then Jack brought up the question that if HE was in a delicate situation and for the sake of his family, would it be morally permissible to kill his 2 year old?”
And in so doing, he implicitly claimed that abortion and the murder of a 2-year-old are morally identical. That’s a strong claim to make and deserving of its own comprehensive argument in support, and not something that can just be casually implied in the service of a different argument.
“I suppose you could try and argue that you were only making a claim about responsibility and not morality; but then, what would have been the purpose of your original post?”
To endorse what I see as a responsible decision that has demonstrably worked out well?
“I would much rather have a living brother or sister than any material thing.”
Reminder: “material things” are not just trips to Disneyland. Adequate food, shelter, clothing, and healthcare are all “material things” too. Animals frequently kill the youngest or weakest offspring in a litter in order to conserve resources for the stronger and healthier ones. Thinking in terms of pure efficiency is a foreign concept to most people, but humans still have some subconscious vestige of animal instinct too.
I’m taking her word for it because she obviously knows her situation better than anyone else. Most people would expect and receive that kind of deference from others, especially those that don’t even know them personally.
I can’t think of any additional evidence that would persuade me that killing her child was the only possible way for her to achieve her goals (moreover, I don’t buy the argument that her goals were more important than someone else’s existence).
Do you not see that your educated guess about her situation is inferior to her own educated guess, given that she has access to massive amounts of relevant information that you don’t?
See above.
Maybe she did assume the worst possible scenario and base her decision on that. So what?
In your experience, Joan, how often in one’s personal life does the projected worst-case scenario actually come true — especially a worst-case scenario that is projected when one is not thinking rationally and/or is in a state of panic and distress?
Responsible contingency planning should take into account worst-case scenarios. Did she weigh that possible scenario in a way that is reflective of its actual chances of coming about? Who knows, but it’s not for us to second-guess.
Actually, since she made her experience available for public comment online, it is for us to second-guess. As for a contingency plan, what about adoption? It doesn’t seem that she considered adoption a viable contingency plan in the event her worst-case scenario came true; why not?
Also, Joan, it occurs to me that Ann did not make such rational, clear-headed decisions or plans for contingencies when she decided to engage in an imprudent and irresponsible sexual relationship, which leads me to believe that her decision-making capacity was similarly lacking when she decided to kill her child rather than give him/her up for adoption.
“Animals frequently kill the youngest or weakest offspring in a litter in order to conserve resources for the stronger and healthier ones.”
So now we’re just animals? No rational thought, no higher reasoning, no soul? Well be careful, Joan, because someday YOUR life will be expendable for the sake of conserving resources for someone else who’s stronger and healthier.
Human lives are not about efficiency. And parents are supposed to give their lives for their children, not take their child’s life for their own. There’s nothing noble, or smart, or caring, or responsible about what this woman did.
Joan is defending abortion because animals kill some of their born babies? Joan, what a dumb defense of abortion. First, we are NOT animals. Second, animals also crap on the sidewalk and smell each other’s butts. Are you thinking of doing that too? Why not? Animals do it so it must be okie dokie for humans too!
This mother was already the mom of TWO. She didn’t decide “Well, I’ll just stick with having one child and not conceive another.” No. She already was a mother of two.
I am already a mother of two though my second baby is still in my womb. My second child already has a head, a body, arms, legs, fingers and toes and is moving (though I can’t feel it yet). I have TWO children. If I drove to Planned Parenthood tomorrow and had my second child sucked out of my body that would not change the fact that I am a mother of 2. No matter the outcome of this pregnancy I will always be the mother of 2. Because my second child already exists.
This mother chose to destroy her already in existence second child and think it somehow improved her family situation. Killing a member of your family should never be seen as a solution to any problem. Though unfortunately with the aging baby boomers we see this becoming a possible solution for our older family members too. Abortion and euthanasia. A match made in hell. The same reasons being used to justify both.
I am very interested in hearing how Ms Kingsleigh explained this abortion to “Kiddo” and I hope I live long enough to hear Kiddo’s explanation of her decision to have her mother euthanized when she becomes inconvenient or worse, a burden. It reminds me of the song, “Cat’s in the Cradle” – “you know I’m gonna be like you, Mom”
Sydney M. says:
September 15, 2011 at 10:05 am
Hi Sydney, thank you for sharing your story. My husband and I were in a similar situation when I was pregnant with our sons. We didn’t abort because we knew the hard times were temporary. Their siblings would be there for a lifetime. Things always improved and sometimes things were bad again. Such is life. I am post-abortive from my past and would not ever do it again. My child didn’t deserve to die and I regret the stupid excuses used to justify killing my child. I was one of the foolish people who thought of abortion as a choice without considering the life and love the unborn child deserves. It saddens me to hear women claim they are better because of abortion. I thought the same way and was wrong. My child paid the price for it.
*reads comments on website*
I see the “clump of cells” nonsense is still alive and kicking.
So tragic, So unnecessary. Why do we end the lives of others for our own comfort?
If Ms. Kingsleigh knew better, maybe she would have done better. But with so many Planned parenthood’s and other abortion providers providing “the abortion option,” women and girls will want to believe the hype and “take a pill and have your problems go away – after all – it’s your life and you deserve to be happy.” She traded $400+ for the life of her child, which is priceless. No more hugs, kissing boo-boos, reading bedtime stories or showing your children what it means to love, love big, without so many material goods. She could have shared her heart, and blessed the world and her family with that child.
But we do not get do-overs here…
I can’t tell you how many women have come up to me later, after their abortion, to say that they wish they had listened to what we told them, and that they wish they can take back their abortion.
But God’s love is bigger than any sin, including the sin of abortion.
She may not feel remorse now, or ever. But that does not eliminate the fact that she chose to end the life of her second child – on purpose – because she was scared, overwhelmed and/or worried about herself in her situation. Too bad she did not see that the positive options are out there – that women are capable, able and more strong than we think.
So – it would take juggling… So it would take planning… so it would have her not have so many material things. And maybe she would have gone on public aid. But her child would be alive, her other youngster would have a sibling and her family would have everyone alive.
Women are inventive, resourceful and can truly surprise ourselves with what we are capable of. She could have had her schooling, and gotten her degree and still made it in the world without having to kill her child to get ahead. So sad.
This is what happens when ‘we want, what we want, when we want it,’ instead of asking what can I do for you or others. Unfortunate in all aspects, for sure. Truly a tragedy.
Lets wait and see what Ms. Kingsleigh does the NEXT time she finds herself pregnant from yet another one of her sexual encounters. By then the admission price to Disneyworld will be double what it is now.
Would she have carried to term if society as a whole had more respect for stay-at-home-moms who are supported by public assistance? It seems like she felt more respectable as someone working with computers than she would have as a mother of two on welfare. Does this show a warped system of values?
Having a second child is such an exciting blessing! I can’t wait to see my firstborn, who I love so much my heart is bursting, with his little brother or sister. I can’t wait to see if this baby looks like my son or this baby will look totally different (I love genetics. My sister and her husband have 4 boys. Each boy looks like a combination of his parents but the boys do not look like brothers at all! So funny!) I can’t wait to hold that warm little body in my arms. No situation in life would ever make me sacrifice such a blessing. I wish women would stop buying into the lies that abortion solves problems.
She is correct. What was inside of her was a fetus not a baby. A fetus with the potential to become a baby should she choose to let it. An egg is an egg no matter what the development stage of the embryo inside. It is not a baby chick until it breaks out of its shell and is born. Then and only then is it a baby chicken…..
As for adoption, we have discussed this to great length on this blog and there are two big problems with adoption. 1 There are already many children waiting to be adopted that will never be due to age and availability. 2. She would still have to carry that pregnancy to full term meaning 9 months of discomfort and pain not to mention the actually delivery. This is more than most women would be willing to do just to give birth to a child that might not even be adopted… Morning sickness, stretch marks, and all the damage down bellow that requires healing… There are also financial and simple time considerations that need to be taken into account. It is not as simple as you make it out to be.
This was the best decision for her and her daughter according to herself and she is the only one who knows the whole circumstances to her situation and as such is the only one qualified to make that decision.
Can none of you see the benefit to having 100 % of her attention and financial resources dedicated to her daughter and how that might make her daughter’s life better? Can you see how being a single mother, going back to school, graduating, and working doing more that a waitress is being a good role model to her daughter?
Or are you all singularly focused on the fetus and forget the rest?
Why did this mother singularly focus on killing her child as a solution to her “problems?”
My nieghbor mows his lawn too early. I lose sleep then I can’t perform at work. It’s hurting my career. May I kill my neighbor? Or is the situation not delicate enough for murder?
No Biggz, INSIDE the egg is a baby chick. Just like INSIDE the uterus is the baby human.
Yes, now this daughter will have 100% of everything. Like when her mother is an old old lady this daughter will now have 100% of the burden of caring for her instead of sharing that burden with siblings. But by then she may have morphed into a self-centered person like her mother who sees no value in human life that is burdensome. She may decide to exercise her choice to euthanize her mother. And of course because of compassionate individuals like you and Joan, euthanasia on demand will be the law of the land.
How funny now that I am beginning to show my friends smile at me and squeal “baby bump!” I guess I should correct them “potential baby bump” or “fetal bump” or “uterine bump”. How glad I am that you edumacated me Biggz. (rolling my eyes)
Yes, and why do abortion advocates hate facts and science so much?
There is no such object as a fertilized egg. An egg is an egg UNTIL it is fertilized, then it is a zygote which soon is re-labeled an embryo. When I was in 8th grade biology, we broke EGG SHELLS to reveal the DEVELOPING CHICK inside. Unless Biggz is calling my 8th grade biology teacher a big fat liar?
Biggz–Please take a middle-school-level biology course before posting here. Or at least look at google images of fetal development and tell me what, exactly, is growing in a woman’s womb before birth? (Joan was also asked this question during this discussion. Tellingly, she ignored it.) In all my various college science courses, I never learned of any magical property possessed by the humble oxygen molecule that somehow bestows LIFE and WORTH on a newly-born baby; but you claim that the moment of birth (when a baby begins to breathe on its own) is when it becomes a baby chicken. Sorry, I’m sure you meant to say human. So what was it before it was a chicken human? And why do small already-born children point to a pregnant belly and say “there’s a baby in there”?
As for your extremely lame adoption objections:
1) try a little research, and you will easily see there are more couples waiting to adopt then there are children available. Friends of mine finally gave up waiting on the American system and went international instead–they now have a beautiful 11/2 year-old daughter, and are trying to adopt another. Now, I will be the first to admit that the American adoption system is seriously flawed–it seems set up to keep kids in foster care instead of placing them in permanent homes, and it truly sucks that most hopeful parents seem to want an infant only. But any mother who chooses LIFE for her child will easily find potential parents to adopt that baby!
2) “She would still have to carry that pregnancy to full term meaning 9 months of discomfort and pain not to mention the actually delivery. This is more than most women would be willing to do…” Ooooookay….this statement is so out there I hardly know where to start. Basically, you are saying that to save herself the _Temporary_ discomfort of pregnancy, a woman should just kill the baby, and the earlier the better. This accepts the horribly de-humanizing attitude of extremist pro-aborts such as NARAL and NOW, who are known to refer to the unborn as “parasites,” “womb-squatters,” etc. and scream things like “my body is not for rent.” Pregnancy is a natural function of the female body, and while it can certainly be uncomfortable/unpleasant for many women, as I said it is a _temporary_ condition. There are many studies of the effects of pregnancy on women’s bodies, and the effects of ending a pregnancy too soon. Full term carry with vaginal birth and nursing significantly lowers a woman’s risk of breast cancer, among other benefits; abortion and miscarriage have statistically enormous increases in risk; abortion has been shown to cause many other “unpleasant” side effects, both physically and mentally. Please consider these facts before simply declaring any “choice” to be universally good. “It is not as simple as you make it out to be.”
As other posters have said, life does not have to be impossible with additional challenges–such as a second child. There are resources available to help women raise their families. My mother raised 3 kids while working as a cleaning lady for rich folks. She had to continually fight my dad for the support checks, and money was always tight. I never had the “best” clothes (in-style, cool, etc.), but I was clothed, and fed, and safe, and very very loved. I would rather have grown up that way, with my siblings, than have had more material blessings with no siblings and a mom who worked a demanding office job and was never home! I consider that my mother’s sacrifices for all of us makes her a GREAT role-model, and I hope to be the same for my future children!
Wow Sidney… How is looking out for her daughter being self-centered? As for the kill the grandparents question… a bit paranoid do you think?
It is a fetus bump. It is a fetus that is causing the bump. I cannot be held accountable for the intelligence level of your friends… Does it make you feel special to be pregnant? Do you need that much attention to make yourself feel good? Even cockroaches reproduce Sidney… The clinical term for your soon to be baby is a FETUS in its current stage of development, argue with the American Medical Association if you disagree.
I believe it is better to abort 4 fetuses and feed the child you already have. If you disagree and think you should watch 5 children starve then I guess that is your own set of morals… You call it selfish, I call it math…
Biggz. I assume this woman was Caucasian and that baby would have likely been adopted right away. Even if s/he wasn’t, is that justification to kill him or her? Yes, there are many older children waiting to be adopted, but because they aren’t should they be killed? Foster care isn’t the idea place for a child to grow up in, but there are many people that grew up in foster care and did quite well. I was reading about Babe ruth, whose father signed him over to a home run by the Jesuits when he was seven. And there’s Gerald Ford, malcolm X, John Lennon, etc, — people who you might have heard of.
Morning sickness, stretch marks, etc., all go away in time, but this woman and “Kiddo” will never get to know the child that was destroyed.
My mom aborted her third child. I think about my brother/sister frequently and feel the loss so much.
I hear you. I shared the story of mother’s abortion of my baby brother. My family is so pro-abortion that it is sickening. My sister has been unemployed for almost a year and I am trying to help her as much as I can, but sometimes it’s hard to be around her. She said that Casey Anthony should have “terminated” her pregnancy, it would have saved “alot of problems.” She was really annoyed that at her local supermarket, they have some mildly developmentally disabled people working there. And she is blind in one eye! I love my family, but sometimes I don’t like them too much.
Speaking of abortion, I notice that instead of saying the word people refer to it as an “AB.” Wonder why?
JVR – I have been asked that same question a thousand times and once again I would direct your attention to the American Medical Association definition…
Inside a pregnant mammals womb is a growing fetus. You might remember this fact from junior high school Bio class if you even made it that far…
It is a FETUS, you guys just like to use the term “baby” to inject more emotion into your argument, but medically it is a fetus.
Phillymiss – Why would you assume she is white and who brought race into anything? Yes it is true that there are people who came out of foster care and did alright for themselves but you are reading about the vast minority and you know it.
There are far more problems with pregnancy that stretch marks and you also know that. Lastly I have always referred to abortion as abortion in every post I have posted on this blog… even the ones that got deleted…
no, biggz, Sydney is pregnant with her 2nd child, 2nd human child AKA human BABY. We do NOT have FETUS SHOWERS!
Biggz, do you understand the difference between clinic/scientific terms and common names? ‘Fetus’ is the scientific name for a specific time of development, just like ‘neonatal’, ‘prepubescent’, ‘adolescent’, and even ‘post-menaposal’ (sp?), and ‘geratric’. Do you object to the term ‘toddler’, ‘tween’, ‘teenager’, or even ‘human’? If I say ‘i saw a human girl, oh, probably a teenager, enter the store’ would you say ‘no, you saw a homosapien adolescent female’? If I tell you I like dogs would you correct me with ‘no, you mean canine familiarus’. The vast majority of the time we don’t use the ‘correct’ clinical term for things. If I tell a group of people my father had a heart attack when I was in 8th grade no one is going to say ‘no, no, he had a cardiac infarction’. I’ve yet to hear a pro-abort object to a neonate being called a newborn, or an infant being called a baby. So why, other than a blatant attempt to distance yourself from the humanity of the child, do you insist that we use the scientific term for humans during their uterus stay?
It’s a baby, or a child, or a little one, or a bun in the oven, because those are all perfectly normal, acceptable common English words that laypeople use to *correctly* refer to a small homo sapien at a stage of development that a scientist in a research paper would term a fetus (which is just latin for little one anyway). Perhaps you should think on why you feel it necessary to distance yourself from a baby by only using the scientific names for them.
Jespren – You might ask yourself why you continue to use incorrect names for a fetus? Is it because you wish to inject emotion into it? Like when someone steals your lime yogurt out of the company fridge and you call the guilty party a “Food Rapist” or when you refer to a post abortive woman as a “Baby Killer”… injecting emotion to make your argument seem justified and provoke an emotional response instead of a logical one… Also this entire argument is based on medical terms and development stages not emotional responses to perceived injustice.
I do not see how I can be distancing myself from something by using its correct and proper name… Why do you shy away from the correct term?
Biggz, the only reason I am mentioning race is that Caucasian infants are in higher demand than babies of color and are usually adopted more easily. I assume she is Caucasian because of her last name, but I could be wrong.
Please don’t tell me what I do and don’t know, I have worked in this field for nearly ten years. Foster care has been demonized by the media, but there are lots of good foster parents and many foster children that do just fine in life. I am not denying that they have problems, some of them serious, but these are issues that can be overcome.
Once again, please ask the thousands of kids in foster care if they wish they were dead.
To paraphrase Dr. Seuss:
“A Murder’s a Murder no Matter How Small!”
-Just as:
“A person’s a person, no matter how small.”
There you go folks. Pro-aborts are incapable of being happy for a pregnant woman even when she “chooses” to be pregnant. Hey Biggz, my body my choice right? Darn right I am proud to be pregnant! It is a huge blessing But thanks for comparing my baby to a cockroach. You just prove time and time again what a sexist jerk you really are. Part of me thinks you are jealous of a woman’s ability to carry a child when all you can carry is a beer gut.
My poor cousin and his wife have spent a decade trying to conceive. They spent tons of money and went through treatments etc… and nothing. So you better believe I view my baby bump with pride and also humility that I have been blessed a second time in such a miraculous way.
Paranoid about euthanasia? Would you have chastised Terri Schiavo about such a thing when she was young and healthy? It happens Biggz. It may happen to you someday. You will remember this conversation then. And you can thank yourself for helping to erode respect for human life… including yours.
And btw, yes that mom was selfish. It is selfish to put the needs of one child over the needs of another. As a mom you are supposed to meet the needs of ALL your children. Favoritism is terrible. Especially when that favoritism leads to killing.
No Liz you have baby showers where you receive gifts for your baby AFTER THEY ARE BORN! Somehow I don’t think a fetus has much need of pajamas and pacifiers. Do fetuses need baby swings and high chairs? You see Liz it is a baby shower to celebrate your coming birth of your baby not the fetus inside of your womb, unless someone buys you a fetus warmer…
Sidney get off your high horse… I am a father and was very glad my wife decided to have our daughter, but let’s get away from the baby cult, you have a child fetish and it is not healthy. Furthermore you are simply being unrealistic. If there is only enough money to buy so much food than you cannot spread it over multiple mouths, they will all die. That is how life works. That is why some animals eat some of their newborns so the rest can survive… It is a fact of life.
BTW I never compared you or your fetus to a cockroach, I said that even cockroaches reproduce. It is nothing special and it happens all day long every single day. I thought my daughter birth was the most amazing thing I have ever seen and the most important day of my life, however the world kept spinning and nobody else cares. You are nothing special, just a fornicator like the rest of us.
Oh, yes, because we don’t give engaged women any presents until AFTER they are married, right? And no one has a baby shower until AFTER the baby is born, right? So all those baby showers I attended for women that were still pregnant were some kind of social rarity? Who knew? We never knew that we were engaging in such a rare and unknown thing!! After all, the stores carry wrapping paper and stuff with BABY SHOWER printed right on it!! Biggz, you better get down to Macy’s right now and set them straight.
By the way, do you use the moniker Biggz as an emotional way to compensate for your feelings of inadequacy?
Just answer this one question…
If a fetus is a baby, then is a baby a fetus? Will you introduce your newborn as your new born fetus?
Thats what I thought…
Ninek – I almost don’t want to answer your dumb questions… I never said anything about the timing of the shower. What I said was nobody gives out fetus gifts. They give out baby gifts to be used after the fetus is born and becomes a newborn baby. Please read my post before puking your nonsense on the blog.
FYI I have explained it before but here we go again… Biggz is a character in Star Wars. He was Luke’s best friend back home where the used to bullseye womprats with their T-16’s…
I find it interesting that many abortion-minded women are willing to set high goals for themselves and work amazingly to reach those goals… but yet ask them to consider the possibility of setting high mothering goals and working amazingly to reach those goals and suddenly they all see nothing but fault in themselves and insist that they’d never be able to manage the demands of a (additional) child. Which is it? Are you a strong, intelligent, determined, resourceful woman or not? Because a child does not cause a strong, intelligent, determined, resourceful woman to crumble. And a strong, intelligent, determined, resourceful woman is going to be just that even with a child in tow. Children are not the ultimate scale-tipper of life as we know it.
I read the entire post, and I am not convinced that it is authentic. It’s just too neat; too perfect. I could be wrong, but it just all worked out too perfectly – perfect response from her boyfriend; no protestors to bother her at Planned Parenthood; nice nurse at Planned Parenthood; loving mother looking in on her to tell her she loves her while she’s pushing an embryo/fetus into the toilet; abortion pills worked just like they are supposed to work; pain was easily managed with ibuprofen; doctor was available at dinner time to tell her that the abortion had appeared to work perfectly, and now she’s going to Disney World! I could be wrong, but I’m not convinced it’s authentic. If it’s authentic, did any part of the whole scene not work out just lovely?
Sydney,
I was planned, but one of my siblings was not. He is so, so precious! Oh, he’s not a cute little boy anymore, but a full grown middle aged adult. However, he had a bad thing happen a few years ago and dozens of people came to see him (I’m protecting his privacy). It was like a parade of “It’s a Wonderful Life.” I always knew he was a special person, but wow, I had no idea how many people he helped in ways big and small. I felt full of pride learning how much he’d done for people. Everyone’s well now, but what a heartfelt display of gratitude I witnessed. Someday soon, Sydney, you will get to witness first hand the love (and rivalry) of siblings. God bless my brother and both my parents, and all the one-of-a-kind members of our family and yours.
Biggz, actually no. I’m married. I have tons and tons of sex. I love it. I have a high drive and proud of it. And sex within marriage is not fornication. You really need a dictionary, first you don’t understand there is no such thing as a “fertilized egg” now you’re confused on fornication. Please, please, get your facts straight before you post.
I am part of a child-cult? I am child-obsessed? Well, okay. Whatever. I actually take that as a compliment. I like children Biggz. I love them. I value them. Whats your problem with that? You hate kids. You want them aborted and dead. We got it! We got it!
I am glad you thought the birth of your daughter was amazing. It was a miracle. A precious unrepeatable miracle. May you always feel that wonder for your child. And realize she is your precious child, not a choice!
You know Ninek, my son was unplanned and this baby is planned but I know I will love them just the same. I already feel all the tender feelings for this baby that I felt for my son when I carried him. And apologies everyone, I’m sure Biggz will point out I am obsessed with my pregnancy which I truthfully admit that I am. I love talking about it, thinking about it… it doesn’t make the world go round but it makes MY world go round ;-)
So thank you Ninek for your sweet encouraging words.
Biggz, (by the way, while all fetus are babies, not all babies are fetuses. In my 2 pregnancies I did refer to my baby as a fetus when contextually appropriate. And I also spoke about my newborn by the clinically correct term ‘neonate’ , and my 3 month old baby as an infant when contextually approapriate. I don’t think anyone here objects to the term ‘fetus’ as the proper clinical term in certain circumstances) I am an intelligent and logically consistant adult. I use laymen terms when talking with laymen, medical terms when speaking with medical personell, and scientific terms when talking with scientists.
For instance, when I talk to my husband about geology I say ‘rock layer’, when I’m talking to my friend the p.h.d geologist, I say ‘strata’. While talking to a pastor I feel comfortable using the term ‘eschatology’, but when I’m talking to a random friend I use the term ‘end times prophecy’.When I am talking to a medical doctor I say ‘my c1 vertebra sublaxates’, but when I’m talking to a friend I say ‘the top bone in my neck is out of place’. When I have discussed abortion with a doctor in the past I used the specific term ‘D&E’ instead of the generic ‘abortion’ and I used the term ‘fetus’ and ‘neonate’. Because I have the intelligence to discuss, even on a p.h.d level, several different areas of study I am accustomed to adjusting my vocabulary to be more readily understood by my conversationalist peer.
This is not a medical forum, and the vast majority of people commenting here are laypeople, with various levels of both intelligence and booki smarts. We are debating and discussing a topic that is heavily charged. A layperson using a layperson word isn’t ‘interjecting’ anything. The layperson using a clinical term to another layperson, however, *is* trying to change the tenor of the conversation by changing the understood rules of the conversation.
Are you a medical doctor? Are you a research scientist? If not, then why are you using the clinical term for *just* that specific ‘thing’? And you didn’t address the hypocracy of a layperson using only 1 (well, I suppose 3, zygote, embroy, fetus) in their common use language, and objecting to only 1 common use term by other laymen.
Now, if you are a medical doctor (or a researchy scientist), I think you need to look at why you feel it necessary to ‘lord’ it over a bunch of laymen by using clinical terms in a layman’s conversation.
Biggz-
Have you not been to many baby showers? When I was pregnant with my first, I received a special microphone that I could hold to my stomach to listen to my daughter when she was still a fetus. It doubled as a baby monitor after she was born, but the device was primarily intended for listening to her heartbeat, and her flutters and kicks and movements. AS A FETUS.
They are no longer letting me post comments to the website. *snicker*
I do need some help, though. After my efforts, it appears someone who is somewhat of a fence-sitter has posted a defense of what I was saying earlier. Since I’m no longer able to post there, could someone please pick up where I left off? I’d very much appreciate it.
Denial has many faces. Ann Kingsleigh has taken it to another level.
At our Pregnancy Resource Center, for every baby a girl has chosen to give up for adoption, there are 40 couples who are cleared and ready to adopt.
Re adoption: an unwed graduate student gave up her child to a loving couple yearning for a baby, Their name was Jobs and Steve is their son.
If Ann is for real, I pray that one day she will repent and confess so that when this life is over, she may make it ti Heaven and finally meet her second child. What joy that will be.
Kerri says:
September 15, 2011 at 11:09 pm
At our Pregnancy Resource Center, for every baby a girl has chosen to give up for adoption, there are 40 couples who are cleared and ready to adopt.
(Denise) What do you think of my idea of encouraging females to carry to term and place babies for adoption by having “relinquishment showers” for the birthmothers? I suggested she could receive new clothes as presents since she’s out of her maternity clothes and other gifts as well.
Someone called this suggestion “macabre and foul.” Another said, “It would be like having a party for a cancer patient.”
Kerri, are those couples informed that adoptees are likely to have more emotional and behavioral problems than other children? This information would not necessarily scare them away from adoption but prepare them to deal with the realities of raising adopted youngsters.
This article makes me ill. How can killing your unborn child make you a better mother?
Is a campaign to popularize sexual activities that can’t lead to pregnancy part of the campaign against abortion?
It’s not part of my campaign.
Oral sex is popular enough. And now oral cancer is on the rise among young people, partly due to HPV.
This article makes me sick. I don’t believe her for a second. Her life wasn’t in danger. Her LIFESTYLE was. Seriously, I feel nauseated and disgusted.
I’ve been to baby showers BEFORE babies were born! One of them was My sister in law’s baby shower before my brother’s oldest was born. In fact, throwing her a shower was MY idea and I schemed with her older sister to plan the surprise shower. They didn’t know if they’d have a boy or girl, so many clothes were generic colors or she got receiving blankets and towels and other things.
I went to a shower June 2010, for my cousin who knew she was having a GIRL. it was so much fun seeing her open her gifts for her baby girl, who was then born on July 4th, just a few weeks after the shower.
my sister had a baby shower before HER oldest was BORN…
Believe it or not, many women have BABY SHOWERS before the baby is BORN….so they can have things they need AHEAD OF TIME….like baby monitors and even diapers!
I feel bad for this little girl called “kiddo”… she lost a sibling because her mother was selfish and thought saving for a trip to Disney World was more important.
LizFromNebraska says:
September 16, 2011 at 1:21 pm
I’ve been to baby showers BEFORE babies were born! One of them was My sister in law’s baby shower before my brother’s oldest was born. In fact, throwing her a shower was MY idea and I schemed with her older sister to plan the surprise shower. They didn’t know if they’d have a boy or girl, so many clothes were generic colors or she got receiving blankets and towels and other things.
(Denise) What do you think of having “relinquishment showers” for birthmothers giving babies up for adoption?
The beginning of a human life starts at conception, so if you decide to end the life of a human like at any time of the development: It’s called killing, and not just that but to kill your own flesh and blood….How Bad can’t that be!!!!