Big winners of the election: The “self-absorbed” and “narcissistic”
Yes, Obama is the master of the “basic instincts” of his self-centered, narcissistic base. It’s not complicated once you understand the con.
To blacks he was one of their own and that was really all that mattered. They were in the bag from the start, 95% plus. To Hispanics, he bought their vote with his illegal, dictatorial, but hugely popular, to them at least, executive order for amnesty to young illegals. Result? 70% plus from a community that is Catholic, church-going, hard working, anti-abortion and generally conservative.
To women he trotted out the classic Democrat ploy, the fear of losing control over their bodies and even added a new wrinkle, the “right” to free contraceptives even if you’re a law student on the cusp of making $150,000 a year to start. Result, a margin of some 9 points, especially in the suburbs.
Yes, pandering to the self-absorbed pays.
~ Hyatt Seligman, American Thinker, November 7
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Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
From Day One I told you folks what he is, an SPD/NPD. Remember you heard it here first.
Believe me folks, you haven’t seen the worst of this guy.
My hope is that you guys (the right) do this (belittle and marginalize large chunks of the population) for four more years – with demographics changing, the election might get called by 9:30 and I can get a better night’s rest.
EGV,
Assuming there is another election. My hope is that people like you open your eyes to the reality of what you put back in office. Why do you supposed the Russians, Chinese, and Hugo Chavez supported Obama? Because they like and respect us? Remember EGV, Hitler was voted into office.
EGV, what marginalizes and demeans people more than government dependency.
Welcome to America’s future.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?=YfGLB8LO1aM
Sorry EGV, link doesn’t work. Check out People line up for Obama money on Youtube and check out the video concerning rioting for welfare in Detroit.
Sorry EGV, link doesn’t work.
Vistit youtube “People line up for Obama Money” and you will see a video about welfare chaos in Detroit. In fact you will find an assortment of videos. Again, welcome to American’s future.
Ex-GOP I guess your solution for conservatives is that they should stop promoting any policy that smacks of conservatism!
Lol, no Tyler. That’s not what he said. He said the same thing I have been saying for months. The GOP obviously isn’t going to put the effort out to not trash talk groups of people whose votes they need.
If you honestly want to claim that the only reason people voted for Obama is because they are self-absorbed and narcissistic, be my guess. But enough of that will end up guaranteeing another Democrat in office in 2016. Will probably lose you the House too, in two years.
Like seriously, who knew that telling half the country that they only want free stuff would backfire on Mitt! Lol
Jack, what libertarian writers would you recommend to read?
Jack,
As I said, nothing is more demeaning and marginalizing than government dependency. Just check out the videos. People in them even claim they voted for Obama for the handouts. Sorry. people like this ive and breathe, and vote Democrat to get handouts.
Then you have those poor loyal Democrat voters on the east coast who are being left to fend for themselves with no food, water, heat, or gas.
Mary,
I always wonder how well-edited those videos are. I’ve been poor my whole life, and have been around poor people my whole life (several on welfare) and I have never met anyone who talks like that. Lazy people exist, but pretending that everyone who voted Dem was looking to protect their “handouts” or doesn’t want to work is just ridiculous. It’s hurting the GOP, the way they talk about welfare recipients and poor people, whether you want to believe it or not. I actually do agree that the way the system is set up now, it’s not positive for fostering independence. I have seen exactly nothing from the GOP that’s better though.
Tyler,
What in the world are you talking about?
Jack, I posed a straightforward question. I want to read about libertarianism from people who believe in it.
Jack, I am a child welfare worker in a large city agency and there are quite a few people that do not work and want to live off the system. This is not only dishonest, but it takes money from people who need it. I was walking down the street and overheard two people talking about the election. One man said that he had a friend who voted for Obama because “that n*gga” won’t cut her check.” But this “gimme” mentality cuts across all racial lines.
I am one of the five percent of black fols that voted for Romney. I work in a predominantly black office and I dare not say anything the least bit negative about Obama, for fear of being ostracized, berated, called a ho’, bitch, Uncle Tom, etc. And these are from people that are supposedly churchgoers.
I also mentioned I am in social work school and I also have to hear how wonderful Roe v. Wade is, not only from my fellow students but from the professors as well. It’s very draining, seriously. I’m glad I have this board to come to.
I feel very isolated and lonely sometimes.
Sorry, I refuse to vote for someone just because of their skin color. Someone who thinks its okay to kill unborn children at any stage of development is NOT one of my own.
Tyler there are a lot of different schools of libertarian thought. I like left-libertarianism the best. Hillel Steiner and Peter Vallentyne are good ones.
Phillymiss, that’s terrible that people would treat you like that. I don’t know what to say except that’s not my experience with people on welfare. I do agree that voting based on race is just dumb, I mean Mark Rubio is Cuban but I wouldn’t vote for him just because I am too.
Jack,
That’s straight off of Detroit News in Detroit. They are NOT edited. I’m very familiar with the area and its circumstances.
I’m more amazed at how people vote against their self interests if aything. People trapped in government dependency and poverty vote in people who keep them there out of some blind sense of loyalty. The hurricane victims were already in desperate staits when they voted, loyally, for more Democrats.
Let the GOP speak out against this and the Democrats cry foul. How heartless! Of course, its their supporters and they need to keep trapped in dependency.
Sorry Jack, but those videos are a glimpse of this country’s future. The GOP is right, too many people want handouts, I see them all the time.
Thanks Jack. BTW, can you confirm that you have read these writers and, if so, is there a specific book by either of these writers that you have read and would recommend. The reason I ask whether you have read these writers is because I would like to be to able to discuss these writers with you once I have read them. Also, if I have any questions it will be good to know someone who has at least read these writers.
Jack, I am not saying that all people on some type of assistance abuse the system, but quite a few do. Not only is this dishonest, but it takes resources away from the truly deserving. I had a client once who was on social security because he claimed he had a bad back. He claimed he couldn’t work at all. Then I saw him working at a construction site, doing some really heavy lifting. I wrote to the SS office to complain, but nothing was ever done about it.
system, but quite a few do. Not only is this dishonest, but it
Yep, black folks who don’t support Obama, or even have the slightest criticism of him, are lambasted. I know some nice elderly “church mommas” who are as sweet as pie and very religious, but if you say the word “Republican” they practically start foaming at the mouth. Check out this website and read some of the nasty comments this woman has to endure: http://conservativeblackchick.com/. Its ridiculous. The Hitler analogy is overused, but I see how someone like him came to power. Blind allegiance to anyone is not good.
In class they were discussing the election, and many of the women there said they were supporting Obama because they were afraid Roe v. Wade would be overturned. Hmm, and I thought we were the ones who were single issue voters.
Jack, for some reason I thought you were Puerto Rican. Please don’t be offended, but I heard that Cubans, especially light-skinned ones such as yourself, don’t like black people. I I‘ve met Cubans who were quite nice, but its been said that there is truth in every stereotype. It seems that since Obama got in, racial, ethnic,class conflict has increased, and that’s tragic and frightening.
I guess some Cubans are racist. I’m a lighter skinned Cuban (I even have blue eyes!) and I am not though. But yeah, some are pretty racist against blacks, others against whites. Some of the more insular communities call me a half-breed, but I just laugh at that. There’s a lot of ethnic clashing in Miami anyway, blacks against Latinos, Latinos against asians, whites against everyone. It’s not pretty, and a lot of it has to do with drug wars unfortunately.
I would love it if people could give some respect if your ideals don’t line up with the way your community generally votes. I’m sorry you have to deal with that.
Phillymiss, thank you for commenting here on Jill’s blog: you give ME hope and comfort! When I used to read cc’s terrible comments and her opinions that disadvantaged kids were better off dead, it would just make me so mad. I’m glad you are there for those families.
Deadbeats come in all sizes, ages, and colors. It’s like that joke: Jesus comes across three men, and offers to heal each one. The first puts out his hand, “Jesus, I have a bad knee, please heal me.” so he does. The second puts out his hand, “Jesus, I have diabetes, please heal me.” so he does. The third man shrinks away from the Lord and yells, “Don’t touch me, I’m on disability!!”
phillymiss says:
November 8, 2012 at 10:54 am
“Jack, I am a child welfare worker in a large city agency and there are quite a few people that do not work and want to live off the system. This is not only dishonest, but it takes money from people who need it. I was walking down the street and overheard two people talking about the election. One man said that he had a friend who voted for Obama because “that n*gga” won’t cut her check.” But this “gimme” mentality cuts across all racial lines.
I am one of the five percent of black fols that voted for Romney. I work in a predominantly black office and I dare not say anything the least bit negative about Obama, for fear of being ostracized, berated, called a ho’, bitch, Uncle Tom, etc. And these are from people that are supposedly churchgoers.
I also mentioned I am in social work school and I also have to hear how wonderful Roe v. Wade is, not only from my fellow students but from the professors as well. It’s very draining, seriously. I’m glad I have this board to come to.
I feel very isolated and lonely sometimes.
Sorry, I refuse to vote for someone just because of their skin color. Someone who thinks its okay to kill unborn children at any stage of development is NOT one of my own.”
Hi Phillymiss,
Your post is spot on. Hispanics feel the same thing too. Out of my family, my cousin and I have cut ties with the Democrat party. It was frustrating to speak with family members who were so confused about voting our values as if being Hispanic means having to vote Democrat. It’s as if the two are intertwined. I am a child of God first and foremost. I cannot vote for anyone who thinks it’s okay to kill unborn children regardless of stage of development, health, handicap, etc. Who am I to say only certain people can live? I thought the wake up call would have been when the Democratic National Convention took what I think were radical approaches in their planks. Unfortunately, I was wrong.
@Jack — I visited Miami with my family awhile ago (Key Biscayne, actually) and I got the impression that there was a great deal of ethnic strife there. At the top are the wealthy Anglos, then the white Cubanos, darker Cubans and Hispanics, then at the very bottom are the Haitians, who tend to be very dark-skinned. Parts of it were beautiful, but I wouldn’t like to live there. The west coast of Florida, around Tampa, seems a bit nicer.
My children are light-skinned, especially my daughter, and people think that she is Latina. She’s been called half-breed, redbone, and other stupid stuff and criticized because her Dad is white, like she really has something to do with that. Some girl on the bus even pulled her hair. (it’s long and wavy). But the same people worship Barky and his mother was white! Go figure. Someone also once referred to my son as “Pedro” and called him a “damn Mexican.” He just laughed, too.
I’ve been told I look Domincan, whatever that means (I think I just look like a middle-aged, slightly overweight black woman). Whenever we’re around Spanish-speaking people and I’m with my daughter, someone starts talking to us in Spanish and neither of us speak a word of it. This happened in Mexico, Miami, and New York. It’s kind of funny.
@RCH – Hugs! Yes, I know exactly what you mean. I work with a fair number of Puerto Ricans and they are very pro-Obama. I have one friend here, another black woman, and I told her that I voted for Romney and I didn’t like Obama. She was suprised, but she said that wouldn’t stop her from being my friend. I was really pleased and gratified. Just seek out people who will care about and accept you. They are your family. My parents, etc., know how I feel, but we never speak about it. I just don’t feel like getting into it.
I am a child of God first and foremost.
Well, I try to be!
Ninek, I am glad you enjoy my posts (more hugs). It’s really encouraging to me to read these posts, especially in the wake of that disastrous election. One of the women in my class is expecting a daughter and is due in February, and is quite large. She was so happy about Obama and is very pro-abort. It’s very disturbing to see someone visibly pregnant gush over PP and Roe. She told me that her pregnancy was unplanned. I feel like asking her what she is carrying — a blob? But why start anything. Just pray that God will give me strength!
It’s going to be a long four years. Keep on praying and doing what you’re doing. Never give up!
One of the disappointments of the election was learning that so many women do think with their “lady parts”. I live in Oakland County, Michigan, home of the “Vagina Monologue” star and ranter, Lisa Brown, who was just elected county clerk.
This aging baby boomer, child of the 70s, found it difficult to watch the young women dressed in “vagina” costumes express their disdain for the Republican “war on women” or listen to Ms. Brown’s total ignorance of female anatomy.
“I guess your solution for conservatives is that they should stop promoting any policy that smacks of conservatism!” – what they actually need to do is stop promoting policies which smack of regression.
@Jack — I usually keep my mouth shut. Why go through the hassle? This is what many black folks do if you say anything about Barky: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gES3l97-jVg&feature=fvwrel
Mary -
You think there might not be another election? Are you in advanced age, or are you possibly moving out of the country? Mexico or China might be good options – no universal healthcare there.
Tyler -
The GOP promoted conservative values? Really? When?
I think it got lost in the message when you had one of the top people in the party calling a single gal a “slut”, and when the nominee talked of self-deportation.
If the GOP had promoted conservative values, that would have been great.
They essentially took everyone who disagreed with them, and called them idiots, sluts, leaches, and without any standards or morals. They didn’t say “hey, we have smart ways of doing things” – they said “here’s what we believe, and if you disagree, you’re the stupidest, sluttiest person on earth”
I’m exaggerating a TINY bit here…but seriously – yes – please promote conservative values without belittling huge chunks of the population.
No, you’re not exaggerating Ex-GOP, take a look at this:
http://pastebin.com/fD7GZfB6
Crazy Reality…crazy.
I know you’re not a Christian. I think you know that I am.
What I find remarkable is that over the last couple of days I’ve seen a ton of these posts and opinions about how America is officially heading off of a cliff into the depths of hell. What interests me though is the reason for this is because we have a government system that helps those who have a hard time helping themselves, and we have some states that are okay with gay marriage.
What I have NOT seen as an issue is the fact that we just, as a nation, saw roughly $6 BILLION spent on political campaigns where people largely lied and completely ignored the poor. Now, my Bible has a lot of verses in it, and a lot of them are about the poor, greed, and money.
We’ve got children around the world literally starving – we have people who can’t pay bills- we’ve got people who can’t clothe their children – we’ve just spent $6 billion on elections – and the reason we’re going down as a country is because we have high welfare roles.
I love the Lord and truly believe that Jesus once walked this earth. I do see how people see Christians and run the other way.
I raised that very issue, the $6billion, on a thread here the other day Ex-GOP but no one seemed particularly interested. There seems to be more interest in claiming that under obama each and every pregnancy will be terminated because he and all those who vote for him rather than the republicans “advocate, promote and celebrate the killing of babies up until and on their due dates”. Which is exactly why obama won and why the republicans will lose the house at the midterms.
Hysterically exaggerating something you don’t like is a sure fire way to get people off-side rather than on-side. I keep sayin’ it but….
Reality – odd – I was told that the media shouldn’t freak out and blame pro-lifers because it wasn’t high on the list of things people consider.
Regardless, it is nice when one’s side doesn’t have to fire up the base – because the other side does everything in their power to get the opposition out to vote.
EGV 7:59PM
I would thank you to dispense with your patronizing comments concerning my age as its obvious my years have given me a wisdom you sorely lack.
Maybe I should check out Canada’s gov’t run health care system but since they make contracts with American hospitals to provide care to Canadian citizens, then I just might as well stay here.
EGV,
Our future under Obama. Exactly what he wants. Dependency.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfGLB8LO1aM
I don’t know Ex-GOP, I really don’t. I just think the rise of the tea party and similar groups have basically scared a lot of people into seeking out a middle ground. The republicans didn’t offer it.
Reality,
The people lining up and fighting each other for handouts in the video I posted are not Tea Party.
These people are the ones who should scare you. This was only one location. There were others in the Detroit area where people were lining up for handouts.
My comment was in response to your 9:15pm comment Ex.
See my 10:15pm response Mary.
Mary, I’ve seen similar and even worse scenes at major concerts and sporting events. The reporter spoke of ‘fights’ yet no-one said ‘someone over there hit someone’, there was no footage of violence and no images of anyone with a black eye or bloodied nose.
Reality.
Get real. These are people by the thousands looking for a handout, your tax dollars, not attending a concert they paid to go to. This wasn’t the only location. BTW, a woman spoke of fights and the reporter spoke of ambulances treating people. Sounds like things did get a little violent.
It was especially telling that the woman thanked Barack Obama for the money. Uh, your tax dollars Reality.
Sounds more like it was offered rather than asked for.
I see no evidence of ‘fights’.
Ambulances get called to all sorts of activities involving large crowds, especially when those crowds are larger than expected.
It doesn’t sound to me like things got violent at all.
What was telling about her thanking obama? That he’s a good, christian person who cares about all people? Or that there was anyone to thank, because it sure wouldn’t have happened with a republican in charge.
What these people are being given is barely a drop in the ocean compared to the largesse delivered unto corporations.
Mary – I have no idea what your age is – you just indicated this might be the last election – so didn’t know what you meant by that.
On Canada – you would want to go somewhere without universal health coverage – that’s why I threw out China as an option for you. Most of Africa would be an option as well.
When did you want to recap on Rasmussen? The site I touted – 538 – they were crazy accurate. Rasmussen had another tough year. Two bad cycles in a row.
On your other argument – if your argument is that people in a location on a day where excited about something they perceived as free – and that means the nation is headed towards doom – if that is your argument, I’m going to move on and find more rational people.
Reality,
In a crowd of thousands you expect to see evidence of a fight? The woman said there were fights.
Fights aren’t the issue here, its people clamoring for a handout, your tax dollars.
I’m sure the ambulance only passed out coffee and donuts.
The lady at the start of the video thanks Obama for the money. Your tax dollars. He cares about all people! LOL, sure is easy to “care” when someone else (you) is paying for it. Its really nice when one don’t have to life a finger either. When Republicans ran the city of Detroit you didn’t see scenes like these. People were working and families, black and white, were intact.
Oh yes, those eeeeeeevil corporations again. They provided employment to city residents.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIkksi344cM
Another example of our future under Obama and your tax dollars at work Reality.
LOL! None of you will move on! How many months/years have you been spouting your kool-aid addled rhetoric? Since 2008? You like it here because people engage you. Over on Huffpo you’re just more bleating sheeple in the crowd.
I say again, the general public settled for the Big Zero, that’s why my co-workers are cheerless victors and our trolls are sore winners. Mediocrity reigns.
I thought it was 2 billion? Anyway thats way too much.
I heard Costa Rica is a nice place to retire.
EGV,
When I talked of the last election I meant that Obama didn’t get this power just to give it up in four years, he’s here to stay. I have serious concerns there will be no more elections. Open your eyes EGV to the man you have helped put back in office. Tyrants and dictators don’t always shoot their way to power, the gullible vote them in.
What is your ridiculous comment about me wanting to go somewhere with no universal health care?
The last Rasmussen poll I saw showed a tie. The election was razor close. One would have to and did come out ahead.
My argument EGV is that this was just one of many lines looking for something ”free”, i.e. you the taxpayer was paying for, and this is the path our country is on under Obama. Check out my video at 11:46PM. Also check out my post. Able bodied people viewing Obama as Santa Claus giving them a handout. That’s why they voted for him! Open your eyes EGV. This is our country’s future and exactly what Obama wants.
BTW, when my grandmother, a single mother of two children, was forced to go on welfare during the Great Depression, she went to the welfare office and demanded they give her a job. Sweeping floors, washing windows, whatever, she would not take a dime of assistance without working for it. They put her on the switchboard. How times have changed, don’t you agree?
LOL! None of you will move on! How many months/years have you been spouting your kool-aid addled rhetoric? Since 2008? Earlier? And what’s changed? Bush didn’t reduce abortions, neither did Reagan.
You like us here because we engage you. Gives you are chance to espouse your rhetoric. Over on WND you’re just more bleating sheeple in the crowd.
“I say again, the general public settled for the Big Zero,” – not like you to make such a major spelling error! “Big Hero”, there you go, fixed.
“that’s why my co-workers are cheerless victors and our trolls are sore winners.” – that’s how people come across when they are trying to exercise restraint and not burst into laughter and cheers.
Reason reigns.
I just don’t understand how people can’t see that the GOP’s rhetoric is hurting them. I don’t understand.
There are ways to engage on controversial issues without being incredibly offensive. The GOP just never bothered to do that.
Kudos for your efforts against the forces of darkness yesterday Jack. Must be strange having someone try to convince you that you are wearing a magic cloak when you know you’re not :-)
I actually get that one a lot Reality. That I am somehow secretly a Christian but I just won’t admit it because I suck or something. It’s rather annoying. I have a lot of respect for people’s religious beliefs but I get a bit irritated when they don’t seem to have any respect for mine.
This election cycle, it just boggles my mind. Instead of, like, talking about what the GOP can do better and get across to more people, it’s all “non-Christians shouldn’t be allowed to vote” and “everyone who voted for Obama is a narcissist and wants free stuff”. No one thinks there is something to be learned? Nobody is even talking about what might be learned!
They believe they actually have something tangible and real and that you are ‘lesser’ because you don’t. So to appear nice to you, to appeal to you, to try to convince you to join their magic roundabout, they tell you that you already have it and just need to accept it.
A lot of the people here are just going to get sadder and more disappointed unless they acknowledge what actually happened. Even if obama did ‘only just’ beat romney; drilling down on the results for each seat in congress and the senate, what happened within states and the outcome of various propositions, paints quite a clear picture.
Oh wow I am reading the link you provided Reality:
” But one photo-op on the Jersey Shore with Obama looking tough in a bomber jacket destroyed all that, which is yet another reason sane societies don’t let women get involved in government.”
“The famous “gender gap” isn’t really a gap based on gender. The right overwhelmingly wins older and married women. The “gender gap” should more accurately be called the slut vote.”
“One thing one has to remember about women, especially slutty ones: They usually don’t make decisions based on reason. ”
“The right loses the female vote primarily because so many of them still operate from a feminist world-view: Women are pure, perfect, kind, and altruistic, and the only reason they “get into trouble” is that some evil, conniving, manipulative man tricked them into sleeping with the entire football team.
Twice.”
And people are arguing with me that the right doesn’t have an issue with how they come across?
For every conservative who, in their exasperation impugns somebody’s virture, there are ten liberals who not only accuse us of having evil intent, but get hysterical over supposed “nasty rhetoric” and “code words”.
We have our crazy uncles, sure. But that doesn’t bother me as much as all these cloying, condescending supposed do-gooders. Well, they’ve got four more years to show us how much “good” they can do. My expectations aren’t very high for that.
Well Reality and Jack,
The world’s tyrants and dictators are overjoyed at Obama’s reelection. Why? Because they know weakness when they see it. Our opponents would hardly rejoice at our strength and power. Iran just shot down our drone. You can take pride in the fact that Americans stand in line for handouts and vote for candidates based on what “freebies”, i.e. you pay for it, they can get next. Ask people why they vote for Obama and you won’t get concern about the national debt, poor economy, and unemployment. You will hear instead “he is paying for my birth control”, yes I have heard it, or we want “free Obama money”. Those videos are just a few examples of what we have been reduced to as a nation. As I have pointed out, dictators and tryrants often are voted into power, and stay there, because of these circumstances, people want something for nothing, people want some kind of messiah who will take care of them, and a media that is so blind in its devotion and so derelict in its responsibilities that it will turn a blind eye to such situations as Benghazi and Fast and Furious.
Mary –
Cuba said that “the lesser of two evils” won. Venezuela was happy because there’s less of a chance that we stop buying oil from them.
Iran shot at a drone. They didn’t shoot it down. Shooting it down meant that it fell. In fact, it didn’t even take a hit.
I take pride in the fact that in America, we don’t have people literally dying on the streets with others passing by. At times our welfare programs get too bloated and need refinement. If our greatest sin is that we’re too easy on the poor at times – I’m okay with that. If you want to go to a world where we don’t try to feed the poor – I’m not okay with that.
I voted for Obama precisely because of the debt, economy and unemployment. Last we left a GOP in office, we had a national economic crash like one not seen in a long time. We talk about monthly job numbers…when Obama came in, we were in the midst of many months of losing 600K jobs a MONTH. We lost millions of jobs in less than a calendar year. Obama slowed the tied and then reversed it. I’d love it the economy was growing faster – seeing that we don’t have public sector growth (like in the Reagan economy) – I can understand why it is still slow and steady. A return to the GOP in my mind would have greatly risked the recovery. Furthermore, with Romney’s vague plans of tax cuts and cutting nameless loopholes, I had no idea if he was simply going to decrease revenue further which would lead to greater deficits. It had nothing to do with “free stuff”. I simply don’t want to see the economic system crash again, as it did the last time the GOP was in charge. When that many people lose jobs, and with the GOPs policies towards not helping the poor – we end up with a lot of hurting people, aborted babies, and general chaos.
I saw coverage of Benghazi and Fast and Furious all over the place. But if the greater issue is that you think that the news should be mandated to cover certain things, than say it. News companies are for profit entities right now – they cover what makes them money. I’d love huge increases in public broadcasting to get more independent news that isn’t reliant on turning profits. Are you with me Mary? Is that what you want, or are you just railing against Capitalism here, and saying that for profit organizations should not be able to make money as they see fit? I don’t get your argument. Seems very socialist.
On Rasmussen -
Monday’s national polls saw two firms with Romney up 1 – Gallup and Rasmussen.
There’ were 12 national polls – two others had a tie – the other 8 had Obama up – so nationally, Rasmussen and Gallup were the least accurate.
Should we go through some states?
For instance, they had Romney up a few points in Iowa, Virginia, and Colorado. Those were three quick states I glanced at.
I love polling, so I’ll go through a lot of these with you if you want – but are you open to looking at them, or have you cooled to Rasmussen?
EGV,
Sorry I couldn’t respond to your post a little sooner. I’ve been working all day, got to produce more of that “free Obama money”, just like you do.
Since I really don’t feel like doing your research for you let me give you some easy referrals.
Google: Hugo Chavez supports Obama. Though this tin horn dictator did advise Obama on the need to fix the economy. I will give him that much.
Google: Vladimir Putin supports Obama. Numerous articles. Certainly no surprise since Obama did assure Putin, off-mike through Medvedev, that once he(Obama) wins the election he will have move flexibility with our missile defense. Now what exactly that means is anyone’s guess.
Oh the Iranians only attempted to shoot it down. I stand corrected. Apparently they have little fear or concern about reaction from Obama.
Google: China wanted Obama reelected.
You take pride in the fact Americans don’t die in the streets while others pass by. EGV, isn’t that a testament to our health care system, the argument I have been giving? We don’t need gov’t intervention….but now that we have it check out the Drudge report for all the impending layoffs because of Obamacare. Oh, and it now looks like The One is shutting down oil drilling out west. BTW, how are those hurricane victims doings? Poor schmucks put Obama in office and look at the thanks they get.
Let’s see, the debt. It passed the 16 tiillion mark on Friday. Obama did what to prevent this?
Unemployment, which is going to get worse, now stands at 7.9%. Obama has done what?
EGV, its time for you to put big boy pants on our president and start holding him accountable. George Bush has been out of office 4 years.
Yes Behghazi and Fast and Furious. Again EGV, google Benghazi coverup and Fast and Furious Coverup. Some very informative articles.
I don’t depend on the news EGV, I do my own research on the internet. Obviously you do very little and depend on the MSM, which is only a stenography pool for Obama.
The responsibility of journalists is objective responsible journalism. This is not about mandates, its about our national media doing their jobs, something they fail miserably at.
I’m actually indifferent to polling. I found Rasmussen accurate in the past, but certainly not infallible. With each election I have seen polls more accurate than others and sometimes not. Personally, I have no fixation on any of them.
My hope is that you guys (the right) do this (belittle and marginalize large chunks of the population) for four more years – with demographics changing, the election might get called by 9:30 and I can get a better night’s rest
Ex-RINO,
It’s been a whole election cycle as Ex-GOP and your moniker really doesn’t fit you well. I suggest you change it to “Now Godless”.
Most people, including liberal pundits, see it as either Obama holding on and squeaking out a victory or the current trend continuing into a Romney landslide. (Truthseeker, 10/21)
Truthmakerupper – how are you doing with the election results?
Mary –
What’s your point on the foreign leaders? In 2004 Putin wanted Bush – so are you saying we shouldn’t have voted for Bush in 2004?
In relation to people dying in the streets – I’m saying that if we are going to error on one side – being too generous to those who need it, or letting people die on the streets, I’d rather be too generous. Is that clear?
If Obama hadn’t saved the economy, the debt would be way worse off. We are lucky we’re in the position now to keep the economy growing while starting to attack the deficit as well.
You rail on the mainstream media, and then say you don’t watch it. I guess you figure other people don’t have that choice?
And for somebody that doesn’t care about polls or Rasmussen, you sure did go to the mat for them.
Look. You guys picked a terrible candidate. Furthermore, you didn’t make a case for why the GOP should lead the country – you folks ran around hating Obama, calling people sluts, and alienating large chunks of the voting block. It is as if you guys tried to lose the election. So the question is, will you folks learn? The electoral map is getting worse and worse for the right.
“It’s been a whole election cycle as Ex-GOP and your moniker really doesn’t fit you well. Isuggest you change it to “Now Godless”.”
Lol, if Tyler isn’t deciding I’m lying about not being a Christian because I’m apparently too good to be an agnostic, its truthseeker deciding Ex isn’t actually a Christian. Nobody on any side can win on this board!
20% atheist, a bunch more agnostics, and then a bunch of so-called Christians who think the casual killing of millions of unborn children is a “choice”. Our nation cannot survive without confessing/acknowledging that our rights come from God. I fear for the land where my children will grow because America has chosen to follow the path of the Godlessness. Where people have chosen that rights no longer come from God or from a constitution; but from the benevolence of elected officials.
See that, truthseeker, is why the GOP is failing. Politics isn’t religion. If the GOP is continually and apparently deliberately alienating the non-religious (among other segments of the population), you aren’t going to get your goals met. America is becoming more secular, but it’s also becoming more pro-life. However, a lot of religious pro-lifers seem determined to alienate non-religious pro-lifers. If I find it distressing when I am pretty gung-ho about the pro-life movement, I can’t imagine how someone who is just learning about pro-life and conservatism might feel coming across all this bigoted crap. It drives people off.
EGV,
What doesn’t register? What was Obama promising Putin, via Medvedev, concerning our missile defenses?
I am happy to help anyone legitimately in need of help. I have a problem supplying “free Obama money” to anyone who thinks they have a special entitlement. Have you ever heard the adage that when you give people handouts you turn them into beggers? Well, look around.
EGV, what parallel universe do you reside in? Saved the economy? Its going down the crapper. Good grief check out Drudge. The bad news keeps piling up. Your argument is as absurd as a police chief telling a crime ridden neighborhood that if it wasn’t for him, the crime problem would be a lot worse, so take comfort in that. If the police chief was doing his job, there wouldn’t be a crime problem, right?
I said I believed Rasmussen because they had a good track record. What’s the BFD?
Picked a terrible candidate? As far as I know Romney wasn’t involved in scandals that cost lives, Fast and Furious, Bengazi. Can you say the same for yours? I have no hatred for Obama, I vehemently oppose his policies. I believe it was leftie Ed Schultz who called Laura Ingraham a slut, and lefty Bill Maher, an Obama contributor, who referred to women, including Hillary Clinton, by names so vile they can’t be posted here.
No EGV, this election was about the takers outnumbering the makers. People voting Big Bird and “free” birth control. So by all means keep working hard, the “free Obama money” fund needs your continued support.
Sorry truthseeker, I shouldn’t be so snippy with you. I am just sick of atheists/agnostics getting blamed all the time, to the point that I can’t seem to convince anyone that pro-life isn’t a purely religious position.
ts,
You know I like you but as an agnostic, I ask for a little more respect. Like slavery and civil rights, prolife is a moral issue. We will not all agree on all things, but we will on the sanctity of unborn life.
Not to rub it in but didn’t I call it right on Dolan schmoozing up to Obama? I said this was a huge mistake from day one. Exactly what I told you would happen did. Sometimes a non religious perspective can be very valuable.
truth – most of America votes without abortion in mind. To say “a bunch of so-called Christians who think the casual killing of millions of unborn children is a “choice”” is flat out stupid. A lot of Catholics and a lot of Christians voted for Obama. There’s more to the Bible than abortion and the GOP has down a bad job dealing with power when they have it. The Dems get power and they risk their political capital on expanding health care. The GOP gets power and they risk their political capital on tax cuts to the wealthy and busting up unions.
I think you put too much faith in the government. Be a Christian – don’t be a doom and gloom fear mongering type of person that belittles anybody that doesn’t think exactly like them.
Mary -
Obama and Putin will work together to ensure that we continue to stay at peace with Russia. Works for me.
We’ve had various programs for years. Yes, they need refinement. Yes, they’ll be abused. It just bothers me that you have more issue with a poor person getting help than you do a multi-millionaire working the tax code so that they essentially rob from the deficit. It’s like you the Bible in reverse – it is really weird.
Drudge? Seriously?
What economic measure do you want to look at – name it and we’ll take a look at it together. If you don’t think the economy was crashing when the GOP last held the White House, than I want to understand your position and your definition of “crashing”.
On Rasmussen, you just really went to the mat before on them – “In fact, Rasmussen was one of the first pollsters to pick up the coming GOP tidal wave of 2010. Rasmussen has also been ranked first in accuracy, with Pew coming in second.” When I pointed out you were wrong, you got really defensive. I just didn’t know if you still felt the same way on Rasmussen.
On Romney – he never was likable – he wasn’t trusted – people polled said he didn’t care about their problems (compared to the numbers for Obama). And end of the day, it showed in the results. If you think Romney was a great candidate…then you guys might as well give up on 2016.
Oh EGV,
By selling us out Obama and Putin will maintain peace? You are more far gone than I thought!
Read the articles Drudge has posted EGV. If they aren’t backing up what they say then fine, disregard them. If they can then maybe you should reconsider.
How many different ways and times do I have to tell you I do not object to anyone who needs help getting it? I object to handouts and the entitlement mentality, “free Obama money”, ”free” birth control. The only thing “free” means EGV is someone else foots the bill.
Concerning Rasmussen the facts were what they were. If they were wrong this time, so be it.
Obama “cares”. No EGV, he promises handouts. He makes people think he cares then is generous with YOUR money. Just ask the poor schlubs on the east coast who helped Obama maintain the presidency and who now have no power or heat and stand in line hours for gasoline as to how much Obama “cares”? They’d be burning a Republican president in effigy by now, but blind loyalty to the Democrat Party prevents this.
I have pointed out that Obama is a sociopath/narcissist. Sociopaths are masters of manipulation, making you think they “care”, manipulating you for their own means. This is exactly what Obama has done and continues to do. Listen to me my friend, despite our differences I am very fond of you. I have spent my life with these people, I am related to them, and I have attracted them like flies my entire life. They know exactly who to zero in on. I know how they operate and I know how they think, and I have learned my lessons the hard way. Listen to me EGV, when I tell you that you haven’t yet seen the worst this man has to offer.
Mary, I honestly don’t know why you think Obama is a narcissist/sociopath? He’s a politician, he just seems like a typical politician to me. And I come from a family of sociopaths. I haven’t seen anything with Obama that raises a “this dude is a conscienceless sociopath” red flag anymore than Romney does, for example.
Jack and Mary, I am just speaking the truth as I see it. I am not trying to blame anybody. Follow the logic. The bedrock of our republic is the constitution. The constitution says everybody’s rights come from our creator. If the people of this country do not abide by that fact then the constitution becomes a useless piece of paper and there is no longer a guarantee of rights. The government then gets to determine what rights people have and do not have. Again, I am not blaming anybody. I am just pointing out that you and me both would be left without any inalienable rights. Without feeling blamed can you just look at the reasoning and tell me where/why you think the above logic is flawed.
Truth, that doesn’t make sense. Believing in God isn’t a prerequisite for protecting human rights. What’s your solution to those of us who don’t actively believe in a creator? You wanna agree with Tyler that we shouldn’t be allowed to vote and Christians should be given privileges in government to our exclusion?
Not everyone is going to agree with you on where human rights come from, it doesn’t mean that we don’t want to protect them.
It is not even a matter of being a believer or not. Ex-RINO’s response is a perfect case n’ point:
truth – most of America votes without abortion in mind. To say “a bunch of so-called Christians who think the casual killing of millions of unborn children is a “choice”” is flat out stupid.
People who claim to be believers are just as much to blame. If we as a nation do not honor that our rights are endowed upon us by our’ Creator’ then our constitution is ‘bs’ and will be rewritten by politicians and judges and majority opinion can strip them away. Abortion is just one example of this.
Truth, I hate to break it to you, but governments do strip rights from people all the time, inalienable as they may be. Just look at how black people were treated for most of history, they were literally legally treated as property. Just look at how women were disenfranchised and relegated out of every sphere but the domestic. Latinos didn’t have it great either and neither did asians. No matter where rights come from, governments has and will take them away. All those abuses happened back when the US was more religious than it is now. I don’t get what you are getting at.
“The constitution says everybody’s rights come from our creator.”
No, it doesn’t.
Isn’t it the Declaration that says that, not the Constitution? Anyway, who cares? Point is, governments and people are the ones that remove rights and grant them, no matter how inalienable they are. It’s just the strangest point to make ever. If they were truly inalienable, then nobody could remove them!
Hi Jack Borsch, 10:27PM
Personally I don’t understand how you don’t see it but I respect your opinion and the fact you disagree with me. The first red flag for me was the blind adulation bordering on worship of Obama, and no one really knew why. Who was the guy and why did anyone support him? His superficiality, the anger I saw behind the smile that I recognized as purely phoney, petulance and disdain of those who oppose him, i.e. giving Hillary Clinton the finger, I mean grow up already. His willingness to throw his minister and mentor of 20 year under the bus, describing him as some embarassing old uncle every family has. I’m not fond of Rev. Wright but you have got to admit that’s pretty crappy. Yes he’s a politician, but I think spd/npd’s can definitely find their niches in politics.
IMO, I have been proven correct time and again. Its just a series of behaviors and traits that I see and sometimes can’t even put a finger on. A coldness and emptiness I can’t really put a finger on. Even predicting how he is going to react, which has been spot on more than once. Its like the cop who knows a suspect is lying, while you or I might think its a very convincing story, life experience teaches you certain things and a lifetime with borderlines, spds, and npds has taught me a few things, as well as being conned by more than a few sociopaths.
My sister is a textbook NPD. I love and respect her, but I also know how she thinks. So I was in town visiting and thought I would finally break down and call her. She isn’t particularly nice, as NPDs usually aren’t, so I’m not inclined to call anymore than I have to. Too bad, but it is what it is. Anyway I no sooner call her than she is tearing into me about something then slams the phone. Not how was your trip Mary, have a safe trip home, nothing. To me its exactly what I expect though it did fry me. Damned if I’ll call her again though I’m sure she’ll call when she needs something.
Hi ts, 10:30PM
I’m sure I can speak for Jack when I say we both respect that you speak what you believe and we respect your convictions.
I have a hard and fast rule that I will not debate religion. I ask that you respect that not every person shares your religious conviction, but that does not make us respect human life, or rights, any less. We’re all in the same battle ts. Let’s unite around what brings us together, not emphasize what makes us different.
No matter where rights come from, governments has and will take them away. All those abuses happened back when the US was more religious than it is now. I don’t get what you are getting at.
Jack and Mary, I am not talking religion!!! Read what I posted above again. Those abuses can come back again within this country regardless of religiosity. If our rights are endowed upon us by our government; then our government can take them away.
The vigilant defense of our constitution by brave men and women of our republic is the only thing that stops a tyrannical majority (secular or religious) from reigning over the minority. If we as a nation stop acknowledging that our rights come from our Creator then we as a nation no longer live by our constitution. Oh, and thanks for pointing out that the Declaration of Independence is the document that states we are endowed by inalienable rights by our Creator.
mp, The Constitution was written in support of the foundational document that declares the rights of US citizens. The Declaration of Independence.
Mary, the point I am trying to make can be made without religion entering into it. The point is that as a nation if we do not accept that we are endowed by our Creator with certain inalienable rights then as a nation we also do not accept the foundation of our constitution and we lose our protections during times when we are ruled by a tyrannical majority. The discussion I am ‘trying’ to have is not a religious discussion. It is a discussion about our republic and what would happen if we are no longer guided by (or are willing to disregard) such a foundational piece of our constitution.
Truthseeker, sorry but I find it really offensive you think that someone who doesn’t believe in a creator cannot defend the rights in the Constitution. I don’t want to have one of the conversations again, please. Seriously, why can’t you guys just accept that Mary and me and all the other atheists/agnostics have convictions that are as strong as yours? I may have my issues with Christianity but I do respect that you believe it and try to follow your beliefs the best you can. Please give us the same respect.
Mary I guess I can see why you believe as you do about Obama. I don’t know, I just see him as I see most of the people in politics. Everyone in politics is a bit of an ego case, you have to be to want to be that much in the limelight imo. I agree on one thing. It does bug me, that personality cult Obama suddenly had, it reminded me of how everyone in the entire world just loves my dad the second they meet him, they think he’s the best thing ever. He’s not, lol, he is lacking a conscience and is a terrible person. I don’t know Obama personally though, I don’t really get “feelings” about people I see on television, if I met him in real life I would probably decide if you are right.
Jack, all your responses to me so far have ignored my posts explaining that the point I am trying to make is just as applicable to ‘believers’ or religious people as it is to agnostics or atheists. I understand why atheists and agnostics could feel alienated in a country that was clearly founded on the principle that our rights are endowed upon us by our ‘Creator”. And I am not saying that you couldn’t want to defend peoples constitutional rights. I am saying that you yourself are denying one of the foundational principles that our constitution was written upon.
I can make the argument that government cannot take peoples rights away because those rights are endowed upon people by our Creator. Simple, it is in the Declaration of Independence and makes clear that government is not the one who can or cannot endow these rights upon me. But where would you say your rights come from?
Lol, try making the argument that rights are given by a Creator to a despotic and tyrannical government, I am sure they will be all “my mistake, sorry man forgot that your rights are inalienable!” and then go away.
^I’m just kidding. But seriously. I’m not getting into this.
You are right Jack. A tyrannical government can tell you to take your constitution and shove it. Your rights don’t come from anyone but us. And that is when people like Abraham Lincoln started the Republican Party in order to stand up against government sanctioned tyranny and oppression and shed lots of blood and sacrificed greatly to put an end to slavery. But can you answer my question? Where do you say your rights come from?
Truthseeker. I. Do. Not. Want. To. Have. This. Conversation. I just don’t. Can’t you just accept that? What is it with you people asking me the same questions over and over when I say I don’t want to go there.
Good lord.
No problem Jack. I thought you were enjoying the conversation too. That wasn’t even a religious question was it?
It’s a philosophical question. I am not in the mood to have people tell me again that my opinions are not valid, etc etc etc. We can just leave it be. We both believe that humans have rights and we both defend them. :)
We can both defend them but I am the only one with an explanation of where they come from and mine exist even without majority opinion and mine mean more to me than life itself.
And that attitude is why I won’t have this discussion.
Jack, One way to defend the rights of the unborn is by caucus and majority opinion. But that doesn’t work when the majority do not share your opinion. I know you have a good loving heart and I am proud to have you fighting along side of me to defend the rights of the unborn. Peace be with you. I consider you to be a friend.
I am not in the mood to have people tell me again that my opinions are not valid, etc etc etc.
Jack,I would never do that. Your opinions are valid and you should never let me or anybody tell you otherwise. I was just trying to help you understand, imo, how fragile our republic is if we abandon our founding principles. Keep a tough skin.
I have a question though, truth. Can you honestly not see how offensive it is to claim that you are the only one who has solid reasons and rationale for believing how you do? The only one who has principles that mean more than anything else?
I like you too truthseeker, I’m glad you are pro-life. But
I do wonder, do all Christians feel like this? That people’s values are meaningless because they don’t come from God?
Jack, I would never generalize that peoples opinions are meaningless if they do not come from God. Your opinions mean as much as mine. I know I am often wrong about things and I ‘risk’ looking like a fool by putting myself and my beliefs out there but I know it makes me stronger in the end. It is allows me to reshape who I am as a person and my sincere hope is that I will end up closer to the truth as time passes. Analogous to the process used to forge steel. Heat it up and cool it down over and over. It gets deformed and the grains that make it up get broken into pieces in the process but it ends up stronger in the end.
But I do wonder, do all Christians feel like this? That people’s values are meaningless because they don’t come from God? hat people’s values are meaningless because they don’t come from God?
I can’t speak for all Christians, only for myself. That is not what I said or what I think and I place the blame on myself for not being better able to explain to you where I am coming from.
Well truth, I don’t know how many ways I can take your statements that you’re the only one who has an explanation of where human rights come from, that yours are the only ones that exist without a majority opinion.
I just don’t get how you can’t see that’s frustrating. You really just have to understand that non-believers hold their principles just as dear as you do, and that we come across our reasons for believing the way we do with just as much logic that you do.
Jack,
I believe you hold your principles dear to your heart.
1) My posts about majority opinion should be looked at through the lens of the US constitutional republic and the ability of our ‘rights’ to withstand tyranny
2) I am trying really hard to help you to see where I was coming from. I think it would help if you could have answered that question. I’m gonna take a break now.
Thanks for the dialogue. Good Night :)
Hi Jack Borsch, 12:12am
Your father’s ability to charm people is a trait of sociopaths. I’m not surprised by your description of him, he sounds textbook. My father was quite the womanizer, never had trouble attracting and manipulating women, he was physically beautiful, manipulative, and like your father, void of conscience and violent. One time my mother put me in the back seat of the car, back in the stone age when children didn’t have to be strapped in, and drove around the neighborhood of one of my father’s girlfriends to show her that yes, she did have relations with my father so don’t believe THAT lie, one of many he told.
Sounds like we come from the same stock.
You’re so right about the cult of Obama. His ability to charm and manipulate people was mind boggling. At the end of the day people couldn’t explain their blind adulation, it was just him. HUGE red flag to me.
I hope you will read the book “The Sociopath Next Door” by Martha Stout. Great info minus the pscyhobabble. Interestingly, Dr.Stout advises the reader on how to spot sociopaths.