Pro-life blog buzz 4-9-13
by Susie Allen, host of the blog, Pro-Life in TN, and Kelli
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- ProWomanProLife posts results of a recent Canadian survey on sex-selective abortion in which 95% of Canadians did not support it. A companion post illustrates the disconnect pro-choicers seem to have on this issue.
- Women’s Rights without Frontiers reveals another death at the hands of China’s forced sterilization policy. Shen Hongxia, a wife and mother of two, was subject to sterilization despite the fact that “[her] doctor had clearly warned that sterilizing her could kill her [which] makes her death the responsibility of the Family Planning Officers who forced this violent surgery upon her…. Those responsible for her death should face serious criminal charges.” Reggie Littlejohn says “The Family Planning Bureau and the Village Committee attempted to cover up their criminal responsibility by making an agreement to compensate the family by installments, and to build them a house. Family members felt forced to sign the agreement, as they saw no other way to seek relief.”
- Fr. Frank Pavone discusses why pro-lifers conduct funerals for aborted children:
[T]he People of Life… are not ashamed or afraid to honor in public those who are dishonored in secret by the hidden violence of abortion. By gathering in large numbers to bury aborted children, and by letting as many people as possible know about it, they make up in some small way for the callous disregard in which these children are held by many in our society. - Wesley J. Smith lauds the courage of pro-life students on today’s campuses, who face “disdain, even open scorn, from peers, repeated put downs by professors, occasional threats of violence, and sometimes, an uncooperative attitude from the administration.”
- Sometimes a picture – like this one, right, posted by Pro-Life Wisconsin – says it all (click to enlarge).
- Pro-Life Action League shares photos sent in by locations around the country that participated in the Good Friday Way of the Cross, an “ecumenical… gather[ing] at… local abortion facilities to… offer[] prayers for children in the womb, mothers, fathers, abortion workers and our whole nation in union with the suffering of Christ in His Passion.”
- Secular Pro-Life posts videos of their presentations at various universities, including Columbia University, their very first visit to an Ivy League school. Since the majority of these students expect the opposition to abortion to come from faith-based groups, their reactions to secular arguments should be interesting.
- Pro-Life in TN spots a post by Creative Minority Report with an interesting find: the Florida Planned Parenthood lobbyist who infamously advocated for allowing infanticide has a professional bio touting her service on the board of Catholic Charities. CMR confirmed that Alisa LaPolt Snow departed that position in January, but she still lists it – along with other clients she serves which have an interest in providing pediatric care.
On this point, the Washington Examiner scrutinizes the alliance of Catholic Charities with the Obama Administration on the HHS contraceptive mandate, in opposition to Church teaching.
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What say you pro-choicers? Do you support a father’s right to disown his offspring in the womb if he finds out the baby is female? OOOPPS!! The stammering begins… Why should anybody be burdened with a baby girl when boys are stronger?
“Do you support a father’s right to disown his offspring in the womb if he finds out the baby is female?” – what if it’s male?
“Why should anybody be burdened with a baby girl when boys are stronger?” – justify the assumption in this question. OOOPPS!! The stammering begins…
Reality, if you need that statement justified then you are beyond teachable.
Are you pro-choice to sex selective development reduction services?
“if you need that statement justified then you are beyond teachable” – nice try. Duck and weave eh. Come on, on what basis do you claim that baby boys are stronger than baby girls.
Baby boys die more often than baby girls.
Truth brought up an interesting question though, Reality. Do you believe in the “financial abortion” thing or no?
Good for Father Frank Pavone, and a very good idea. Why shouldn’t there be funerals for aborted babies, they are human too. This is a great way to remember them and to remind the world of them, that people have been killed.
I really like that picture from Pro-Life Wisconsin. Some pro-abortionists might say it is too “graphic”. Not nearly as graphic as actually doing what the picture depicts.
It will be interesting to follow Secular Pro-Life and the impact they have with their videos of their presentations. I don’t know if they use this one or not, but I found it on YouTube and thought it might be worth sharing here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imY4WEMu7J4
I’d still like to see truth explain what he was ‘taught’ that made him make his claim.
What do you include in ‘financial abortion’ Jack?
Should there be funerals for miscarriages too Victor? From how early in gestation, is there a cut-off point? What about if a woman has a conception which shortly after fails and she didn’t even know it? Where do you draw the line?
I mean like should a father be allowed, in the same period of time that a woman can get an abortion, to give up his parental rights and responsibilities to the child, not be on the hook for child support, other responsibilities.
In general, if both ‘participants’ have agreed to bring about or accept a pregnancy then they also need to discuss what factors they consider impact on a pregnancy and how those impacts would be dealt with. Anything beyond that is murky, about 150 shades of grey, unclear and absolutely loaded with variables.
And then some people will still change their mind.
What do you think of Safe Haven laws?
The only thing that seems particularly rational to me, if you are pro-choice (which I’m not obviously, just a thought exercise), that if women can choose not to parent through abortion or adoption, then men should have the right to remove themselves legally from the picture as well. Maybe he would have to sign a contract for a complete disowning of the kid before the legal limit for abortion, so the woman could take his reluctance into account when deciding if she’s going to carry to term. Doesn’t seem logical otherwise.
Oh and mods I’m changing my name to just Jack from now on. I’ve been meaning to for like a year lol.
Reality–I don’t think Victor was negating the idea of funerals for miscarried babies. I, personally, see nothing wrong with funerals for miscarried and aborted babies. I know people who have had some kind of funeral type service or memorial for miscarried babies.
A friend of mine had 2 miscarriages that she was certain of (possibly had a third, but wasn’t positive). I gave her an ornament to represent each baby. Every Mother’s Day I sent her a Mother’s Day Card. Last year she sent me a thank you card saying she appreciated how I always remembered her on that day. On February 20th of this year, that friend died. Do I regret anything I did to try and be as comforting as I could for her loss (even though it was an early miscarriage). No way. Her note said it all…it meant a lot to her.
So if people want to have Memorial Services and/or Funerals for miscarried or aborted babies, I say go for it.
Reality
YOU do not get to draw any lines.
Services for miscarried or aborted babies are up to the grieving families. The grieving mother and the grieving father get to decide what kind of service or memorial they would like to have.
Father Frank Pavone holds the funerals for aborted babies so the public can mourn a precious life lost.
You do not have a say. You do not get to decide. Your input is not needed.
We do not grieve a “bunch of cells” but you don’t have to worry your pretty little head about it anymore.
I didn’t draw any lines Carla. I asked questions. Did you see the questions marks?
How does “Services for miscarried or aborted babies are up to the grieving families.” fit with “Father Frank Pavone holds the funerals for aborted babies so the public can mourn a precious life lost.”?
“You do not have a say. You do not get to decide. Your input is not needed.” – is there any reason why I shouldn’t just say ‘ditto’?
I’ve been called ‘ruggedly handsome’ but never ‘pretty’. And according to the size of helmet I wear my head isn’t ‘little’ ;-)
People call me pretty all the time. :/
Well in our view, Reality (which I’m sure you are aware of), the aborted babies who don’t get funerals are human lives lost that pretty much no one ever cared about or grieved except for us. I’m sure you wouldn’t complain about someone holding a service for an abandoned infant that died, even though the infant wouldn’t have parents or family to care about it. I don’t see why it would bother you if people held services for unborn children however they died.
Women that regret their abortions years later hold services. They have their own services. I have my own memorial service. I had no body to bury. Aubrey’s body was chopped to pieces and put down a high powered garbage disposal I am assuming. My other two babies were miscarried. I delivered Jamie into my hand at 10 weeks. I still regret flushing him down the toilet. :(
Father Frank Pavone receives the bodies of aborted babies and holds a public funeral with an open casket. It is open to the public so they can mourn together.
Does it matter to you? Really?
Hey, you’re the one who took off like a rocket Carla, telling me I couldn’t draw any lines when I hadn’t actually done so.
Then you said that services were up to the grieving families and in almost the same breath said that Father Frank Pavone holds services without any grieving families requesting it. And would those families request an open casket?
I hope they don’t do so salaciously Jack!
You asked.
I answered.
As a grieving mother who has held memorials for her babies.
And as a Rachel’s Vineyard facilitator to help post abortive mothers grieve.
No worries. I will take care of those that grieve their babies.
Carry on Reality.
The aborted babies that have funerals by Father Frank Pavone?
They are tossed into the trash. They are garbage. Their bodies are found and retrieved. And their short lives honored in a service. The parents are hardly making any requests about them.
Hi Jack.
So people are scavenging the remnants of aborted fetuses, giving them names and holding open casket services. And yet you tell me “You do not have a say. You do not get to decide. Your input is not needed.”!
Reality, do support a mother’s right to sex-selective child development reduction services?
truthseeker, on what basis do you claim that baby boys are stronger than baby girls?
Your say is not needed in how we grieve.
Your input is not needed on where we “draw the line.”
You do not get to decide how an aborted or miscarried baby is laid to rest.
Goodnight Reality.
Salaciously or not I am not fond of it Reality lol.
You didn’t answer me. Why would you care if some pro-lifers buried some aborted babies?
“Your say is not needed in how we grieve.” – agreed.
“Your input is not needed on where we “draw the line.” – nor yours on mine.
“You do not get to decide how an aborted baby is laid to rest.” – but you do because…?
Rest well.
“Why would you care if some pro-lifers buried some aborted babies” – I find the concept both highly assumptive as well as full of assumptions. Who can claim any faith or particular faith for an aborted fetus? How are names allocated in cases where the gender isn’t identifiable? Why open casket, confirmation bias?
Honestly, if you really believe that fetuses are just lumps of unwanted tissue, not dead people, then having funerals for them should just strike you as odd behavior, not fraught with any issues.
The people running the funerals are Christian, so the fetuses will get a Christian burial I suppose. Why does it matter?
I am pretty sure they pray to God to tell them the baby’s name or gender in those cases.
Open casket to show what actually happened to those babies.
It’s not a particular activity I participate in but I don’t see why you would care at all.
Read it again oh deluded one. What I said is why should anyone be burdened with a baby girl when boys are stronger? They can statistically lift heavier objects; run faster; etc. etc. They are stronger. Your lack of understanding of such obvious facts makes you somewhat obtuse. Now answer the question.
“Do you support a mother’s right to sex-selective child development reduction services”
Oh and hi Carla :)
Well, limited one. Now that you’ve made it clear that the only factors of ‘strength’ that are important to you are speed and muscle mass I’m sure we’ll all sleep sounder given you’ve taught us why you think girls are less valuable.
Me, I count a whole lot more attributes as being indicative of strength. From the moment of birth. And I think ‘girls’ measure up more than equally.
As far as I’m concerned Jack its just another instance of christian privilege being conducted by the self-appointed self-righteous. What if anti-vivisectionists recovered dead animals from laboratories and put them on display?
” As far as I’m concerned Jack its just another instance of christian privilege being conducted by the self-appointed self-righteous. What if anti-vivisectionists recovered dead animals from laboratories and put them on display?”
Meh, all religions do it. There are just more Christians in this country so it bugs you more than other religions do. I don’t really care.
If animal rights activists want to display dead animals murdered by scientists or whatever I’m fine with it.
“Do you support a mother’s right to sex-selective child development reduction services?” OOOHH!! Let the stammering continue….lol
“Do you support a woman’s right to sex-selective fetal development reduction services?” – yes I do. I don’t necessarily agree with it but I support their right.
Why is running faster and being able to pick up bigger sticks the only measure of strength that matters in your world? – OOOHH!! Let the stammering continue….lol
You don’t give a flying fig about them before they die via abortion……why should you start to care after they are gone??
And babies that are miscarried? That should really not bother you in the least either. What type of service, memorial or funeral loving parents want to have.
Leave it to those who care, Reality.
Jack, you get it. Thank you.
Irony’s World:
TS is unjust for judging women as not equal to men based on physical strength.
Any woman is perfectly justified in judging her daughter as unfit for life based on any criteria she chooses as long as the girl is young enough.
lulz.
I don’t necessarily agree with ts, however, I do recognize those situations in which having someone in the family who can help with various physically-demanding tasks is invaluable. But my uncle did just fine with his family’s cattle farm with only 3 girls to help him. ;)
“What type of service, memorial or funeral loving parents want to have.” – and that’s the point, isn’t it. On what basis do you support people like Father Frank Pavone having the right to recover, name, display and provide a service to aborted fetuses yet tell me “You do not get to decide how an aborted or miscarried baby is laid to rest.”?
Quite frankly, from what I’ve seen here over time, I consider people like xalisae, Carla, ninek and a number of others display much more ‘strength’ than I detect in you truthseeker.
I knew you were secretly a woman Reality. :D
“and that’s the point, isn’t it. On what basis do you support people like Father Frank Pavone having the right to recover, name, display and provide a service to aborted fetuses yet tell me “You do not get to decide how an aborted or miscarried baby is laid to rest.”?”
Because you don’t even think they are people?
Would it bother you if someone held a memorial service for an abandoned infant that died?
Yet I still don’t find you pretty Jack ;-)
“Because you don’t even think they are people?” – I just don’t find that to be an adequate answer Jack. Just because the self-appointed consider aborted fetuses to be people doesn’t give them the right to decide what to do with them.
I don’t have a problem with an abandoned infant who had died having a memorial service. It’s an abandoned infant, not a terminated fetus.
I have friends who have had funerals for aborted and miscarried babies. This helps them grieve and have closure, which is one of the things funerals are for.
I don’t draw the line anywhere. The line is already drawn. Human life begins when the sperm fertilizes the egg and and they are no longer neither sperm or egg but a new life with all the DNA it will ever have, all that is needed for life except for time, nutrition and growth. That is basic science, and it is a fact.
Lol I am totally “pretty” Reality. I hate that word, I am a grown man not a 18-year-old girl lol. Gorgeous is much more flattering if they insist on using words that usually describe women to describe me.
“I just don’t find that to be an adequate answer Jack. Just because the self-appointed consider aborted fetuses to be people doesn’t give them the right to decide what to do with them.”
So, thought experiment, if Peter Singer’s more controversial ethics were enacted and children up to two were not considered people either, than you would have the same thought about people who dug their bodies out of the garbage and gave them a funeral? I know it sounds ridiculous but I am wondering how you would feel about those self-appointed.
Rebecca/Reality,
Which one are you going to choose?? :)
I wish that you could understand. I really do. But you don’t. It is about love and honor and giving our little ones a place in our hearts and in our lives. That we never forget that they lived before they died. Grieving is good.
Love wins.
And I am done arguing something that you simply cannot grasp.
What about ‘beautiful’ Jack. Are you ok with people calling you a beautiful person or a beautiful man?
“than you would have the same thought about people who dug their bodies out of the garbage and gave them a funeral?” – probably. It would still be a presumptuous, assumptive, unjustified act.
I see no reason to change monicker Carla, despite what some severely admonished person here may have found amusing.
“And I am done arguing something that you simply cannot grasp.” – I grasp it, I just don’t see the justification. Because there isn’t any. You do not get to decide how an aborted or miscarried baby is laid to rest.
“Love wins” – sure does. Women love not being subjugated.
I’m fine with beautiful. Don’t think I’ve ever been called that though.
“probably. It would still be a presumptuous, assumptive, unjustified act.”
:( Aww so you think dead infants shouldn’t be grieved and memorialized if they were killed and disposed of the same way aborted fetuses are? That makes me sad.
Ah but I do.
I am the mother of 3 angels in heaven. And yes I did get to decide how I honor them and what kind of memorial service I had for them.
Father Frank Pavone? He decides. Along with others who want to honor the babies that have died by abortion.
You don’t see any justification for it? So not surprised.
“That makes me sad.” – life has sad Jack. Apart from that, digging bodies out of garbage and conducting a service – which may in some cases presumptuously invoke faith or a particular faith, by the way – is a rather sad behavior.
“Ah but I do….I am the mother of 3 angels in heaven. And yes I did get to decide how I honor them and what kind of memorial service I had for them.” – I do agree with you here.
“He decides. Along with others who want to honor the babies that have died by abortion.” – so wrong. ‘You’ do not get to decide how an aborted or miscarried baby is laid to rest.
“life has sad Jack. Apart from that, digging bodies out of garbage and conducting a service – which may in some cases presumptuously invoke faith or a particular faith, by the way – is a rather sad behavior.”
:/ Have you ever been so unloved that you know no one would grieve if you died? Then maybe you could understand why leaving bodies to rot with no one caring that they were ever alive is more “sad behavior” to me than some well-meaning priest being presumptuous with his funerals.
Sounds like you’re imbuing the dead with some sort of ‘knowing’ or ‘feelings’ Jack?
No, you know I don’t believe in supernatural hooey like that.
It is just that it’s a comfort to those who survive terrible situations, though, to know that at least someone in the world might have cared. It’s healing, in a way, for some people imo.
And funerals for victims of atrocities (I know you don’t think abortion is an atrocity, but bear with me) have the added effect of imbuing in the minds of those around them that we will never let this happen again. Which I also think is important.
I think it’s important to care for those of our number who have fallen.
FFS, even elephants have funerals for dead/stillborn herd members.
“Are You Smarter Than a 5th Grader?”
Next season:
“Are You More Compassionate Than An Elephant?”
Irony fails, no big money for you. :(
Jack, there is no way that an aborted fetus is going to know or care.
And people like Father Frank Pavone have no justification to recover, name, display and conduct a service for aborted fetuses. No-one has asked them to do so.
Whatever Reality, you’re intentionally ignoring my point.
There’s no way anyone knows or cares what happens after they die, doesn’t mean that their deaths are not significant to other people.
And anybody who thinks I would actually support any abortion; including sex-selective; is WRONG. I said these things just to make a point. And Reality has shown that discrimination is AOK within the liberal mind. Nothing new there.
“Whatever Reality, you’re intentionally ignoring my point”
Jack, that should not surprise you.
What are you on about xalisae?
Which point Jack? That it is appropriate to hold memorial services for the victims of atrocities conducted during the conflict in the former Yugoslavia? Of course it is. Abortion? No.
If Father Frank Pavone and others wish to memorialise aborted fetuses, go ahead. Have memorial services. But to scavenge, name, display and assume any faith or any particular faith is wrong.
Hello there truth(boysarebetterbecausetheycanrunfasterandpickupbiggersticksthangirlscan)seeker
What are you on about xalisae?
Oh, nothing. Just the doings of higher mammals like primates and elephants. Nothing anyone of a reptilian persuasion would comprehend, I’m sure.
It’s not appropriate to memorialize fetuses because you say so, got it. Lol.
“It’s not appropriate to memorialize fetuses because you say so, got it. Lol.” – gees Jack, don’t follow the example of certain others – “If Father Frank Pavone and others wish to memorialise aborted fetuses, go ahead. Have memorial services.”
You’re asking if elephants are smarter than a 5th grader?
Don’t talk to me about ‘irony fails’, not with what I witness here constantly.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00rs69w/profiles/silurians
I’m sorry I’m just getting really frustrated with the conversation Reality.
No. I was implying that since one of the latest successful game shows was “Are You Smarter Than A 5th Grader?”, the next that could be launched along that vein is “Are You More Compassionate Than An Elephant?”, since you seem emotionally-stunted enough that that would pose a formidable challenge for you.
“Series 7 Part 1 Monsters”
Monsters. Yep. That seems quite apropos given what you’ve been stating in this thread. “Monster”.
Jack…..I said FFP and his ilk can have all the memorials they like.
If a woman decides to terminate a fetus and that fetus is then terminated there is a pretty good case for saying that she has given up any rights to the terminated fetus – unless it is a pure medical cause/safety abortion and she wishes to grieve – but there is nothing, absolutely nothing, which gives FFP and his ilk any right to that terminated fetus.
Can elephants abort xalisae?
If you were to see the episode featuring the silurians you would find that they weren’t actually monstrous :-)
Okay, all that’s granted. Now what gives anyone the right to bury/grieve a family wiped out in a genocide, or something similar? They don’t have anyone left with a real claim to the bodies.
Can elephants abort xalisae?
If an elephant opened up a clinic, I’m sure NAF would certify them and lobby for my “right to reproductive health services” at the elephant-run clinic, don’t you worry.
Commas matter.
I’m just going off what the website said. I don’t watch The Doctor anymore. David Tenant’s the only Doctor for me. He’s not NAF-certified, but it seems like he’s always been more interested in saving lives than taking them, so I think he’d wear that lack of certification with pride.
They hadn’t been aborted as fetuses. They’d been born, named etc. The six degrees of separation rule means it’s highly likely there would still be someone who knew them. A schoolteacher, work colleague, old friend…
Womens’ rights are more important.
Why do so many people have a Doctor who is so much their favorite that they refuse to watch any of the others. They’re all the same person anyway. And someone who kills.
Sigh. But up further in the thread you said it’s fine to have a funeral for an abandoned infant. The infant my be born, but it’s not named (no more than aborted fetuses are named by pro-lifers, abandoned infants are named by the media half the time).
And someone who kills.
He imperils himself to save innocents. That’s the opposite of everything abortion is. ^_^
The infant my be born, but it’s not named (no more than aborted fetuses are named by pro-lifers, abandoned infants are named by the media half the time).
Also Connor Peterson was still just a fetus when he was killed, and he was named. Is/was he more of a person who deserved a funeral than an unnamed abandoned dumpster infant found 1 day after death but 2 days after being born alive and put directly in the dumpster? You’ve got to bust out the Pro-Choice Crazy Rationalization Rules Handbook and lay some knowledge on us, homeslice.
It’s born Jack. The woman concerned didn’t terminate a fetus.
What if the kid came out alive when she was trying to poke around in her uterus and kill them?
If that child died shortly thereafter as a result of the self-abortion, that child doesn’t get a funeral? Or do they?
There are actually women in prison for that right now. They should be freed, you’re saying?
If Jack’s mom had resorted to DIY like that instead of abiding by the wishes of others and Jack had died, that’d be cool by you, too?
But if someone had found dead fetal Jack and named him Mortimer and had a funeral for him, that would be waaaay outta line then?
Okay…
Can you not see I am trying to get you to see how we see it, by using examples that you can relate to?
You’re talking about illegal activities xalisae.
I can see that Jack. But you should know my position by now. And I still maintain that while FFP and his ilk can conduct memorials they have no rights whatsoever in scavenging for terminated fetuses, naming them, exposing them and the rest of it.
People killed in conflicts are people who have been a whole lot more established than a gestating fetus.
“You’re talking about illegal activities xalisae.”
So? Answer the fargin’ questions.
Do pregnant women poke around in their uteri out of boredom usually, or is it because they want their pregnancy to end by their child’s life being terminated?You said yourself their wants are a big part of everything.
Do the bodies of aborted children disintegrate magically if the abortion was illegal, or are their bodies released to family or anyone who wants to claim them if no family is able to be determined or located after being examined by a coroner?
The fetus would be evidence, if it wasn’t disposed of by the woman.
“or are their bodies released to family” – I’m not sure on that score, maybe.
“or anyone who wants to claim them if no family is able to be determined or located after being examined by a coroner?” – no. I believe the state would inter the remains.
I looked for statues specifying such. All I found is that when they are interred, it must be humanely and with the proper dignity.
Cuz Stericycle is all kinds of dignified, what-what.
The world is full of not-so-nice unfortunately xalisae.
You and I are diametrically opposed on the topic of abortion. All I can say is my focus is on those who are ‘here’ (yes yes I know what you’ll argue, but that’s how it is for me) and I think that there are great injustices in the world that warrant higher priority.
Night
So, basically non-answer, after all that.
Great.
And thanks for being so condescending about it.
Sometimes I just need a big strong man to sit me down, kiss my widoo fowhead, explain to me how “not-so-nice” the world can be which my poor widoo girly puddin’ brain just can’t fathom, so it makes things like abortion a-ok, and tuck me in to bed just like a good little girl.
GFY.
Wow. So we discovered that “Reality” is actually a “ruggedly handsome” woman. Looks like it was an interesting night.
I gave you quite clear answers.
What’s this, a bowl of fog?
(The fetus would be evidence, if it wasn’t disposed of by the woman.
“or are their bodies released to family” – I’m not sure on that score, maybe.
“or anyone who wants to claim them if no family is able to be determined or located after being examined by a coroner?” – no. I believe the state would inter the remains)
What view you take of yourself is up to you :-)
What are you on Lrning?
Now I am sure I did something right in my life cause it is the opposite of what ‘reality’ would do. When me and my wife lost a baby through miscarriage at 20 weeks we had to go through a D&C. We had the women’s health center (which also commits abortion on live babies) call the cremation society to pick up the remains and we buried our baby ‘Gabriel’ at the cemetery after having a funeral service ( an informal gathering of immediate family and a blessing).
“Now I am sure I did something right in my life cause it is the opposite of what ‘reality’ would do.”
But you didn’t. If you read the thread properly you would see that I agree with situations such as yours.
[Carla] – “I did get to decide how I honor them and what kind of memorial service I had for them.” – [Reality] “I do agree with you here.”
[Reality] – “unless it is a pure medical cause/safety abortion and she wishes to grieve”
Reality,
That is truly remarkable of you to say. Earlier in the thread you said you would support a parent’s decision to kill their unborn female children because they want a male child. Then you say that you would support me if I had made a decision to memorialize the death of my unborn child. To me you seem to suffer from a debilitating lack of conviction.
“Quite frankly, from what I’ve seen here over time, I consider people like xalisae, Carla, ninek and a number of others display much more ‘strength’ than I detect in you truthseeker.”
Rebecca, those are some awesome poster’s so I would have to agree. I have been told that I can be insensitive at times but not so much weak. I’ll try and do better.
“To me you seem to suffer from a debilitating lack of conviction.” – and to me you seem to suffer from a debilitating lack of understanding :-)
Yes I support a woman’s right to choose.
Yes I support the right of people to memorialize the loss of a wanted fetus if they so choose.
No lack of conviction.
The ‘Rebecca’ was me. My immediate comment after that, which advised of the error due to someone fiddling with my computer, is still awaiting moderation. It did appear on another thread but I think its still also awaiting moderation on a third.
I didn’t say you were weak, just that I find them stronger than you.