Sharpton opposes daughter “getting rid of a child” by abortion
Even if people want to, uh, take away women’s right to choose, I would advise my daughters never to, uh, uh, get rid of a child, I don’t think I’d have a right to make a law about that.
I don’t think we have a right to have the law determine marriage. What I do in my church, who I would marry, is my business.
Just like I don’t want the state running the church, I don’t think the church ought to run the state.
~ MSNBC’s Reverend Al Sharpton explaining his positions with regards to abortion and same-sex marriage, via Newsbusters, April 3
[HT: Jill; Photo: Getty Images; video at the link]
Apr.05, 2013 6:00 am |
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Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
Poor Al Sharpton – he’s not connecting the dots. He doesn’t want his daughter to get rid of a child, but he’s okay with others doing so…
What about Susan Smith? – she got rid of her children and there shouldn’t be a law about that – right?
Sharpton is so concerned about separation of church and state, he has complete separation between his statements and reason.
I’m glad to hear this. I’m not a fan of Sharpton but at least he doesn’t want his grandchildren dead. Unlike Obama who would be fine with his daughters aborting. Pray for Sharpton maybe there’s hope yet.
He will probably be put under tremendous fire from the moon bats now.
Poor Al indeed. He’s as confused as the other 90%-95% of the church that can not or will not see the ongoing genocide in our own backyard. A true blind leader of the blind.
Don’t worry though, God still loves America. He will chasten us. He will lift His Hand of protection. We will suffer calamity. He will do everything in His power to lead us to repentance.
He does not want his daughter to “get rid of a child” sort of like one would not want their child to “skip school” or “smoke cigarettes”.
Al’s fatherly advice is a real inspiration.
Memo to Al: abortion is not a religious issue (see http://secularprolife.org), so separation of Church and state (which doesn’t actually exist in the Constitution) is irrelevant.
JoAnna,
Actually, I look at abortion as being both, not one or the other. There’s religious moral implications & problems involved, but there’s also ethical implications & problems. It’s the ethical implications that come into play for those who don’t look/believe in the religious implications & problems.
“How about giving every female at puberty a special coupon for the services of Dr. Kermit Gosnell”
Why would you even say something like that?
Mr. Sharpton, the question is this:
Is God really the Lord of all of your life, or is God only Lord of your time at church on Sunday? Is God to be compartmentalized, and are parts of your life roped off from Him? If you want to follow Christ’s command to love your neighbor as yourself, is it really loving to allow your neighbors to legally murder their own children?
So many people call themselves Christians, but say that their faith shouldn’t affect how they live, or work, or vote. They want to put God in a tiny box, and let Him out only on Sunday mornings, or during some private prayer time.
As Prolifist has implied, life is religion. Mother in Texas, how do you divorce morality and ethics from religion? If I believe in God, then accordance with His will is good, and anything else is bad. If I don’t believe in God, then ultimately I am my own god, determining what is right and what is wrong. Morality has no basis without religion.
um, I beg to differ. I have plenty of context for morality within my own life without needing religion.
Do people think that non-religious people just flail about and do whatever they want with no standards whatsoever?
Wait don’t answer that I don’t want to know. :/
Everybody is religious, Xalisae and Jack. You can’t help but respond to God in some way.
Xalisae wrote, “I have plenty of context for morality within my own life.”
I was talking about a place on which to base morality, not a place in which to put morality. There is quite a difference between the two, isn’t there? It’s the difference between origin and application.
I am not religious.
I have a place to base my morality, it doesn’t matter that you don’t respect that and degrade it. You not agreeing or liking it doesn’t make it invalid.
You guys seriously have no idea how offensive you sound, do you?
Religion is your response to God. You are religious.
On what is your morality based, Jack? I don’t think I have commented on your morality on this thread. I’ll say that like you I am anti-abortion; there we agree. But why are you anti-abortion? Why is killing somebody wrong? One’s conscience must be informed by something. If the origin goes no farther back than society, then your religion is secular humanism. Then man is the measure of all things for you.
Offensive? You’re offending God. You seriously have no idea how offensive you sound to God, do you? Our purpose is to glorify Him.
You cannot possibly expect me to have a rational conversation with someone who claims my existence offends the being who supposedly created me in the first place.
Conversation is a non-starter. Have a nice night Jon.
Yes, our religions are quite different, Jack. As your last comment demonstrates, life is religion.
For the record, Jack, I didn’t say that your existence offends God. I implied that your denial of God on this thread offends Him. I said so because you said that I, or others like me, had offended you.
Of course, a Christian–being one who follows Christ–is more concerned about offending God than he is about offending his neighbour. He’d rather offend neither, but offense is unavoidable. Life is religion.
“The message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.” (1 Cor. 1:18)
Jesus Christ said, “Woe to the world because of the things that cause people to stumble! Such things must come, but woe to the person through whom they come! If your hand or your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life maimed or crippled than to have two hands or two feet and be thrown into eternal fire. And if your eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell.” (Matt. 18:7-9)
Ok i have a ?? For Jack or X and in no way shape or form am i being disrespectful but could one of you..or both of you tell me about being agnostic ? What do you think happens when we die? Have either one of you ever been religious? I’m curious .
Also Mr Sharpton it is your race that is the prime target for abortion.
To Jack and x i ask this question with much curiosity and respect. since I know very little about agnostics would one of you kindly explain. it to me? What do you believe happens after death and have either one of you ever believed in God?
Sorry Jack and x I’ve repeated myself .
I don’t think you’re being disrespectful Heather, but I don’t really know what to say. I don’t really think anything happens after you die.
I was religious as a child.
Hey Jack, you and x are religiously irreligious. :) Seriously though, Jon may be offended, but most of us – not so much. I see less fire and brimstone in my Bible than he does.
I believe our purpose is much more than just “glorifying God”. It’s to be his children. And who gets more forgiveness than a child? We are all the prodigal son. It’s only a question of when we get there.
For the thief on the cross and that Roman centurion, it took something major. And for us, it may take the world falling down around us. Whatever. When your kid was lost, and then you find him, that’s all that matters.
Ugh. The perpetually confused-looking Sharpton doesn’t quite deserve a deep thread.
Thank you Hans that’s actually quite comforting.
My brother disappointed me when he said he was agnostic. He took our dads death pretty hard. I asked Why George you grew up with the lord. He exclaimed bitterly “huh Gods never done anything for me.”
But thanks Jack. An agnostic joins us at the abortion clinic . We are happy to have him. Many try to convert him but its pointless . I let him be and we get along just fine.
Well, maybe your brother has some bitterness and feels abandoned by your God. You never know, people convert in their later years sometimes. I’m sorry he took your Dad’s death hard.
And thanks I’m glad that you get along with the agnostic pro-lifer.
Pat just always tells me I am agnostic I don’t believe in God and that’s it.
Adding but I’m also very pro life.
Heather,
I was raised in the Catholic Church and quit attending sometime before Confirmation. I don’t know what exactly happens when we die, but I think the end of an individual’s existence signify’s non-existence, and I’m okay with that. It makes it harder when a loved one dies, but at the same time, I try to think about how I imagine death to be and the state of nonexistence, and the fact that I’m okay with it (for my own self, anyway, the thing about my death I loathe the most when I think about it is my family and friends having to deal with it), and that makes it a little more tolerable. But not much.
If there’s anything else you’d like to ask me personally, just email an admin and they’ll give you my email address. I’d be happy to help answer anything you’d like to know.
I don’t understand people who claim that abortion is mostly a religious issue and that one must be religious to be pro-life. For non-religious pro-lifers, most of their views are based on science and logic. How is it right to kill members of our own human species? Biology clearly shows that the fetus is human and although the fetus lives and grows in the mother’s body for 9 months, the fetus is an independent, unique individual. For those interested in the non-religious pro-life views, check out SecularProLife.org. Thanks for reading.
Also, as our society becomes more secular, it is certainly in the best interst of the pre-born for ALL pro-lifers to work together, whether Christian, Athiest, Pagan, Muslim, etc.
Jack wrote to Heather, “Maybe your brother has some bitterness and feels abandoned by your God.”
My wife’s mother died shortly before we married. Bitterness is natural to us children of Adam, but it’s so wrong. In effect, it’s blaming God for our sin. Just as Adam blamed Eve and she blamed Satan, so we still refuse to acknowledge our sin. The wages of sin is death. As death is separation of body and soul, separation from the communion of the living, and separation from God, so we who have abandoned God still sinfully accuse Him of abandonment.
Jesus Christ is the good news. His imminent birth was announced with the name with which He was to be called: Immanuel, which means “God with us.” He is life, rising again after He had died. When He ascended into heaven, He said (Matt. 28:20) that He was with His people always, even to the end of the age, His return. He is with them with His Spirit, who lives in their hearts as the Comforter. “I do not leave you as orphans.” (John 14:18).
People who think that it’s screwed up that they were born into horribly abusive families and have trouble accepting a “loving” God after that aren’t blaming God for their own sin, I don’t think. People who have lost their entire families aren’t blaming God for their own sin. It’s hard to accept a loving God with so much pain in the world. And it’s really difficult to accept that God is supposedly always with us but allows people to cause so much harm. And I don’t think it’s all that wrong. If God is as strong as you say he is he can weather a little bitterness and pain from some people who got a bad hand dealt.
Kelly wrote, “For non-religious pro-lifers, most of their views are based on science and logic. How is it right to kill members of our own human species?”
Why not? How is it wrong?
Jack wrote, “If God is as strong as you say he is, he can weather a little bitterness and pain from some people who got a bad hand dealt.”
They got what they wanted: something like independence from God, i.e. death. They just don’t like what they had wanted.
God is all-powerful. He is sovereign, but we are responsible. He hated Esau (Romans 9:13), but Esau still himself chose to resist His will. He condemns (and deals), but the condemned have themselves chosen hell. The wages of sin is death. I think we can say in this context that God is both pro-life and pro-choice.
“‘Rid yourselves of all the offenses you have committed, and get a new heart and a new spirit. Why will you die, people of Israel? For I take no pleasure in the death of anyone,’ declares the Sovereign Lord. ‘Repent and live!'” (Ezek. 18:31-32)
“When tempted, no one should say, ‘God is tempting me.’ For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He tempt anyone; but each person is tempted when he is dragged away by his own evil desire and enticed. Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death. Don’t be deceived, my dear brothers and sisters. Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights, who does not change like shifting shadows. He chose to give us birth through the word of truth, that we might be a kind of firstfruits of all He created.” (Jas. 1:13-18)
Oh my goodness I hate that Romans 9:13 business, we used to have to recite that constantly to remind us how much God would hate us if we kept messing up. I don’t see how you reconcile that with a loving God.
No reconciling to be done, Jack!
God says, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy,and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” (Rom. 9:14)
We all deserve death; we have all messed up. If by a loving god, you mean a Santa Claus who doesn’t care about sin, nor really, finally, deeply much about those to whom he gives gifts, then you’re right. God isn’t Santa Claus.
I don’t mean a Santa Claus type God. I mean a father-like God. I’m a father, and I can’t think of a single thing that my children could possibly do that would justify punishing them for eternity. And my children deserve mercy and compassion no matter what they do, because that’s what you do for your kids. I can’t reconcile that with the God you believe in.
The Bible, which is God’s Word, speaks of Him as father in two ways:
(1) The way in which He is both my Father and your Father, as Isaiah spoke of Him (64:8, and as Paul quoted Isaiah in Rom. 9:20): “Yet You, Lord, are our Father. We are the clay, You are the potter; we are all the work of Your hand.” He was our Creator, creating Adam in His likeness. Adam created his children in his likeness (though it was changed because of the Fall into sin), and so you and I are both, children of God our Father.
(2) The way in which, it would seem, He is only my Father, i.e. by adoption, as John wrote (1 John 3:1-2): “See what great love the Father has lavished on us, that we should be called children of God! And that is what we are! The reason the world does not know us is that it did not know Him. Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when Christ appears, we shall be like Him, for we shall see him as He is.”
Jack wrote, “My children deserve mercy and compassion no matter what they do, because that’s what you do for your kids.”
The fact of the matter is that God offers you the gospel, too. You may repent and believe. Today is the day of salvation; take the chance while you have it.
There’s a contradiction in your phrase “deserve mercy.” Mercy is by definition undeserved. God is a just God; He doesn’t just ignore sin as Santa Claus or a child’s parents do at Christmas. Even the smallest sin must not go unpunished.
Long ago, God promised aged Abraham a son whom He would make the father of many nations. Abraham named him Laughter (that’s the meaning of Isaac). To test Abraham’s love to God, God told Abraham to sacrifice this son. Bewildered Abraham made the journey to the top of a famous hill and was about to slaughter his son when God, through an angel, suddenly told him to stop.
On that same hill two thousand years later another Son was slaughtered. No angel appeared to save Him; rather, the Son said, “My God, My God, why have you abandoned Me?” (Matt. 27:46)
God abandoned His only begotten Son to save filthy sinners like you and me (John 3:16).
God doesn’t send anyone to hell. People choose to go there by willfully rejecting Him. That’s what free will is. He won’t force you to be in His presence if you don’t want to be there.
Jack wrote, “Oh my goodness I hate that Romans 9:13 business, we used to have to recite that constantly to remind us how much God would hate us if we kept messing up.”
Then read Romans 8, which speaks of the family of God:
“Those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God. The Spirit you received does not make you slaves, so that you live in fear again; rather, the Spirit you received brought about your adoption to sonship. And by him we cry, “Abba, Father” (or “Daddy“, Rom. 8:14-15).
“I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.” (Rom. 8:38-39)
Jack -
Just read 1 Corinthians 13. This should sum up and define the life of any Christian you talk to and know. If it doesn’t, then don’t dwell much on the things they say or try to tell you.
”i was being a wee bit facetious.”
O.K., that’s good to here. At least you’re somewhat sane.
Thanks Ex, I should know better than to get drawn into conversations I know are a bad idea from the get-go. I just end up annoyed lol.
*hear
Wait, have all of Denise’s comments here been deleted. Great, now it looks like I’m having an insane conversation with myself.
That happens to you a lot, JDC.
“That happens to you a lot, JDC.”
Yeah, I should probably just leave her comments alone.