Stanek Sunday funnies 6-16-13
First, Happy Father’s Day to all the great and invaluable dads who read this blog!
Here were my top five favorite political cartoons this week. Don’t forget to vote for your fav in the poll at the bottom of this post! We begin with a couple political tips of the hat to Dad’s day….
by Nate Beeler at Townhall.com…
by Michael Ramirez at Townhall.com…
by Bob Gorrell at Townhall.com…
by Dana Summers at GoComics.com…
by Chip Bok at Townhall.com…
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Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
Happy Father’s Day, Everyone!
If anyone cares, I voted for #1, I thought it was pretty funny. It combined current events with the theme of Father’s Day pretty well.
JDC, I care… :)
I like the first one too, JDC. I also like the last one, it was smart. Gene-patenting is the greediest thing that corporations have ever come up with.
Chip Bok, ftw.
Americans worked hard to build a culture that promotes and supports innovation. Obama’s campaign gaff insulted both the entrepreneurial families and our culture.
But where a reality already exists (like genetic material), corporations cannot claim to have “invented” it. Srsly — they didn’t build that.
I thought they were all good, but I confess to voting for #4 mostly because Ex-GOP would like it the least. ;)
Hans, shame on you:).
I, too, liked number four. Obama is an enigma. It is almost as though everything he says has a double meaning or no heart-felt meaning at all save for one thing: his absolute love affair with abortion. Obamacare is the vehicle by which the abortion mentality will ingratiate itself into every fibre of our health care system.
“JDC, I care… ”
AWWW. :)
Jack,
I just read about a loophole in Obamacare that will end up denying millions of poor people government subsidies to help pay for Obamacare. Id your employer offers a health plan that costs less than 10% of your salary and you do not buy it then you lose government subsidies to help pay for Obamacare. If a person makes $20k/yr. and their employer offers a plan with a $2k premium and a $3k out of pocet deductible then they would lose eligibity for government subsidies to jelp pay for Obamacare. What a scam. They expect a person making 20k to 5k for medical insurance and deductibles. And now because of Obamacare their employers won’t be able to offer them the affordable policies they used too. Like Pelosi said; we would have to wait until it gets implemented before we fins out what is really in it. And we are finding out it is a huge clusterf$#@.
I think this one sums things up nicely.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/06/13/1215751/-Obamahaters-Inc
“his absolute love affair with abortion” – ludicrous. If he has any ‘love affair’ it is with ensuring women maintain the right to their reproductive choices.
Am I your stand in for Ex-GOP, truth? Lol.
Please cite your sources (reliable please).
Jack – thanks man!
I’m guessing truth “read” it on one of his conspiracy sights.
Regardless, his “fix” is to get rid of the law and leave millions more without care. It’s as if he is saying “I can’t believe that person kicked you in the leg! What an injustice! Let me step in and cut it off instead!”
It is sad really.
Reality,
This “Obamahater” crap is getting old. If someone isn’t a “racist”, they’re an “Obamahater”. Or is it the other way around?
“This “Obamahater” crap is getting old” – tell me about it Mary!!! It’s about time these loons raised their IQ’s by an adequate amount so they are able to recognize that obama isn’t an alien, a muslim or a baby-killer.
Mary -
What I think gets old is people spreading mis-information. Also, bashing components of law that when it gets down to it, they actually support it.
For instance, Medicare trimming (not cuts, because they lessen the increase). Everyone (including this cartoon) slams Obama for trimming Medicare, while McCain, Paul Ryan, and numerous other GOPers support the exact same Medicare trimming.
Reality,
Like I said its getting old. Its about time you figure out people disapprove of Obama for reasons other than his supposedly being an alien, Muslim, or baby killer.
Then why aren’t those reasons being enunciated more loudly, more clearly and more often, even though most of those fall into the same categoray as the three I mentioned anyway. It’s the loons who are getting all the coverage.
“Obama’s campaign gaff insulted both the entrepreneurial families and our culture.” – one of the most dishonest memes the gop ever peddled.
Reality,
The reasons are enunciated. Its just easier for your side to cry “Obamahater” and “racism” rather than give any kind of intelligent argument.
Indeed they are. They’re usually no more cogent than the others though.
Well Mary, I stopped calling it ‘racism’ a while back. I don’t think I’ve personally used the term ‘obamahater’ too often either. Perhaps I find terms like ‘extremist’, ‘dishonest’ or ‘misled’ to be more accurate descriptors for some of those folks.
Reality,
You’ll notice I said “your side”, not you specifically.
Jack, Ex-RINO is full of it. He claims to be a health care expert but he offers very little in the way of useful information. Here is a link where you can plug in your Obamacare information and calculate your government subsidy.
http://kff.org/interactive/subsidy-calculator/
One of the boxes in the calculator asks wether or not your employer offers affordable care. If you check yes, then regardless of income level; the answer will be as follows…… “In general, employees who are offered insurance through work are not eligible for subsidized exchange coverage, so long as their insurance meets specified requirements. You would only be eligible for subsidized exchange coverage if your income is between 1 and 4 times the federal poverty level and you would have to pay more than 9.5% of your household income for your own coverage through the insurance offered by your employer.”
Yes, and they’re still accurate. I’ve been identifying the reasons why some are racist and haters.
Okay truth – so do you support the GOP working with the Democrats to close any of these issues that pop up? Surely there will be issues – you remember the donut hole created in the Medicare expansion. There are always issues. So, it seems like you would be in favor of doing whatever is needed to fix this issue – is that correct?
Reality,
Any direct racist quotes? How about any direct quotes concerning hatred?
Well truth, I put in my information and it says that I’m not eligible for any subsidized health insurance, because I make 97% of the poverty level. Because my state didn’t choose to expand Medicaid I guess I would have to pay like 29% of my income for the crappiest health insurance, and not be eligible for any subsidies. I guess that’s what it’s saying, I don’t get the Silver Plan, Bronze Plan thing.
Am I reading that right, Ex? Someone should explain this thing to me.
“So, it seems like you would be in favor of doing whatever is needed to fix this issue – is that correct?”
Starting with REPEAL. Then replace. Ex-RINO you do not take people seriously. You think it is all hype. It isn’t just hype. Obamacare is a disaster. It is no small matter that Obama would try and force the Catholic church to go against their faith. I can almost assure you that they will not. When it gets implemented on Aug 1st I will be in civil disobedience along with my church against the law. And along with the owner of Hobby Lobby who runs his business according to Biblical principles and will not oversee his business taking part in the implemention of family reduction services to his employees. You say I am for fixing these things and I say YES!!! Obama and the HHS have had a long time to implement a fix to this and they have chosen NOT to. What is your plan for fixing it. Elect somebody other than Obama who will appoint people other than cronies like Sebelius to HHS and/or Elena Kagan to the SCOTUS.
Man this sucks, if I made like barely any more money, like $550 more a year, I would be eligible for subsidies. It looks like this just penalizes people less than 100% of the poverty level if their state didn’t choose to expand Medicaid. Depressing. Someone should fix that or force states to expand their Medicaid, I can’t afford to spend like 30% of my income on health insurance, how will I eat and pay rent?
Oh come on TS, you’re just an Obamahater and a racist!(sarcasm)
Hi Jack,
Even if Florida did expand medicaid, how long could it last with a gov’t trillions in debt?
Yeah it sucks, I’ll give you that.
Nah, the penalty is like only $695, I’ll just figure out a way to pay that instead, there’s no way I can free up like $5000 or more with no subsidies. Or I’ll just quit my job and go on welfare lol.
As truthseeker so eloquently put it, a clusterf$#@. A word that accurately describes anything the government runs.
Are you serious Mary? Or trying to be a comedian?
Just a lttle taste – WARNING, bad language etc.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/jpmoore/the-31-worst-people-on-the-planet
http://newsone.com/2105186/racist-tweets-barack-obama-newtown-speech/
The hate ones are self-evident if you’ve heard Limbaugh, Beck etc. but also visible on this site from time to time.
It’d be okay if they’d fix the loophole for people who make less than the poverty level but their state refuses to expand medicaid or help them with insurance. Otherwise you’re just pushing people into needing things like food stamps and rental assistance just so they can afford the healthcare insurance. They should just force the states to expand the Medicaid to at least people up to 100% of the poverty level, people who make more of that qualify for subsidies.
Sounds to me like truth isn’t so much against obamacare per se as he is against the ensuing inability of the theocratically minded to control others.
Jack, those penalties accrue more penalties and compound annually with interest. And the IRS has the authority to take it right out of your paychecks. They will probably create a credit agency to sell your IRS debt to and tack on an extra 30%. That is what Sallie Mae did to me when I defaulted on my student loan. They sold it to a collection agency who tacked on 30% and raised the annual interest rate from 7% to 11%. This is a clustf%$#. Good luck. I’ll see you in prison…
What I am beginning to see already is co-pays and deductibles going thru the roof.
Reality,
Get real. Who are these people? Of course there are morons like this. You know, like liberal Democrat Bill Maher who calls conservative women vile names and ridicules Sarah Palin’s Down Syndrome child. This of course didn’t stop Barack Obama’s campaign from accepting a million dollar donation from Maher or motivate Obama, as well as some Democrat congresswomen, to condemn Maher.
Since your “Obamahaters” cartoon included Limbaugh, Beck, Drudge, and a few others I’m not certain of, please, some direct quotes from them.
Don’t be silly I won’t go to prison. I’ll either pay the penalty or get my wages garnished. There is also a limit, if they sue me they can only get two times the original penalty anyway.
Why’d you default on your loan?
Reality 10:57PM
Are you aware that you’re beginning to babble nonsense?
Reality says:
June 16, 2013 at 8:59 pm
“Obama’s campaign gaff insulted both the entrepreneurial families and our culture.” – one of the most dishonest memes the gop ever peddled.
Did the GOP say that???? – I thought I made it up.
I’m no fan of the GOP. But sometimes they get it right.
“Reality 10:57PMAre you aware that you’re beginning to babble nonsense?”
Has he ever done anything other than babble nonsense during his entire time on this site?
I am afraid of what will happen in August. That’s when the HHS Mandate hits.
I fear that most the Catholic colleges and healthcare aren’t very much concerned about being faithful witnesses. It is easier to defy the bishops than to defy Obama — Obama has jackboots to enforce his demands. The bishops can do nothing more than ask the school or hospital to stop calling itself “Catholic.”
If the institutions capitulate and pay the monthly contraception allowance, or if they stand against Obama and get taken over by gov’t admins due to crushing fines and court orders — either way, Obama wins.
Jack -
Don’t freak out from the right wingers bs. Remember, truth doesn’t even consistently know the difference between medicare and medicaid. Florida is still trying to decide as well – recent articles have a few moderate GOPers in the state pushing for a deal to get the medicaid expansion into the state.
I’ll do some research over the next couple of days on Florida – I don’t believe there exchange is even up yet. The exchange in California had prices lower than what was expected previously.
Again – consider where you get your sources from. Truth would throw you in jail. The truth is, one option on the individual mandate was that it wasn’t even a strong enough penalty to call it a mandate. For instance, the ‘penalty’ can only come from a refund you have – can’t be taken from your wages or anything like that. Many articles out there specifically stating that wages can’t be garnished.
So on truth’s post at 10:59 – I think he owes you an apology. Making political points to try to scare people – that’s low class.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/05/13/readers-ask-we-answer-what-happens-if-you-dont-pay-obamacares-tax-penalty/
“Typically, the IRS does have a number of steps by which to recoup unpaid taxes. It can garnish your wages, for example, or, in rare cases, seize property. But with the health mandate, the law’s drafters specifically barred the agency from any of those more aggressive tactics.”
truth -
You really are a piece of work – spreading lies to scare people. No shame at all?
I really think you do owe Jack an apology for that one.
“see you in prison”
Come on, man
” Don’t freak out from the right wingers bs. Remember, truth doesn’t even consistently know the difference between medicare and medicaid. Florida is still trying to decide as well – recent articles have a few moderate GOPers in the state pushing for a deal to get the medicaid expansion into the state.”
Yeah the governor is pretty right (and shady) but he still wanted to go for the expansion. Our issue is that we have a subset of really conservative legislators who are holding it up. If they don’t call for a special session soon I don’t think we’re going to get an expansion. Which leaves around a million or so people who aren’t 100% or more of the poverty level who can’t get Medicaid and don’t qualify for subsidies. Doesn’t really seem fair. I think they should just force the expansion. Doesn’t make sense to leave the most vulnerable populations with no insurance. Either that or wave the penalties for those who are under 100% of the poverty line but can’t get on Medicaid.
Thanks for the source, I knew they couldn’t seize assets (lol like I have assets) but I thought they could garnish. And they have a limit on how much they can take if you don’t pay the penalty.
I just don’t understand how they think it will work without telling the states they have to expand Medicaid. No one in my position could pay 29.94% of their income for health insurance. That’s a pretty big loophole they need to fix before 2014.
With the gov’t trillions in debt, how much and for how long can medicaid be expanded?
Hi Del 11:35PM
I said a long time ago that Obama will win. I warned nothing would change his mind or make him bend one iota. Know the personality type and you know exactly what to expect.
“Get real. Who are these people? Of course there are morons like this.” – they are what are known as voters. You asked, I provided.
“please, some direct quotes from them” – feigning ignorance doesn’t suit you.
“Are you aware that you’re beginning to babble nonsense?” – yawn. Or is it your comprehension?
“Did the GOP say that???? – I thought I made it up.” – you spoke the particluar words in this instance but you didn’t start the meme, that was the gop and its supporters.
Anyone who claims that obama was saying that business builders didn’t build their businesses must be slightly bereft of either honesty or adequate intellect.
“But sometimes they get it right” – not in this case.
Truth, I found the exemptions explained and it looks like if you don’t have access to a plan that is 8% or less of your annual income you are exempt from the mandate and you don’t have to pay a penalty. Also, if you make below the federal filing requirements you are exempt too. http://ccf.georgetown.edu/all/individual-mandate-exceptions/
Stop trying to freak me out, it’s not nice, I’m stressed out about money enough as it is.
Seriously, that was just flat out dishonest, truth. It’s not a loophole like you were saying. If you’re only offered a plan by your employee that exceeds 8% of your annual income (your portion), and if you don’t have an available affordable plan that doesn’t exceed 8% of your annual income, then you’re exempt from the mandate and the penalty. Completely dishonest the way you stated it.
Reality 12:20am
“They are voters”. You know this for a fact…how? Is Bill Maher a voter?
“Feigning ignorance doesn’t suit you”. Still waiting for the quotes
“Or is it your comprehension”. No Reality, its you not making sense.
Reality says:
June 16, 2013 at 7:03 pm
“his absolute love affair with abortion” – ludicrous. If he has any ‘love affair’ it is with ensuring women maintain the right to their reproductive choices.
You are astounding in your persistence. You are unlike any troll on any blog or discussion board that I have ever seen.
“Love affair with abortion” and “maintaining the right of reproductive choices” are the same thing.
The old Democrats who ardently supported slavery were merely “maintaining the Constitutional right of the citizenry to hold property.”
The basic reality remains: Slavery is legal racism and abortion is legal murder — and one either loves it or hates it. Obama loves abortion, even though it hurts people of his race more than anyone else.
WEIGH IN ON IRELANDS FREEDOM:
http://www.thejournal.ie/poll-should-protesters-demonstrate-outside-politicians-homes-954157-Jun2013/#comment-1298295
Make sure to VOTE at the end of the article
“Make sure to VOTE at the end of the article”
Done.
Reality says:
June 16, 2013 at 7:03 pm
“his absolute love affair with abortion” – ludicrous. If he has any ‘love affair’ it is with ensuring women maintain the right to their reproductive choices.
You are astounding in your persistence. You are unlike any troll on any blog or discussion board that I have ever seen.
“Love affair with abortion” and “maintaining the right of reproductive choices” are the same thing.
Del: I was going to articulate this very point. Well said! Reality’s irony is rather amusing.
“Love affair with abortion” and “maintaining the right of reproductive choices” are the same thing.” – are you sure you want to go with this? OK.
So according to your logic, someone who supports maintaining the right to reproductive choices has a love affair with abortion. That is what you are saying.
I support maintaining the right of folks to go to church, read the bible and pray, therefore I love religion, or god, or something.
I support maintaining the right of nations to have defence forces, therefore I love war.
Some people support maintaining the right of the state to deliver the death penalty, therefore they love killing people.
Some vegetarians I know support maintaining my right to eat meat, therefore they love meat or killing animals.
Some of you support maintaining the right to bear arms, therefore you love murder.
“Completely dishonest the way you stated it.”
Jack,
. I gave you the site and a quote from the site. You punched your numbers in yourself. You came back with the results not me. Nothing I said was untrue. I think you are being obstinate at best. Like I said…good luck with your benevolent bureaucracy. Did you also see that the penalties for people who fail to comply progressively increase every year after 2014? All I can say is people like you will never pay attention until they are actually effected. You are like the frog being cooked in boiling water that never jumps out of the pot and gradually gets cooked and eaten. If it is easier to just listen to people who make you feel good about things then don’t let me rock your boat and don’t pay any attention. I can’t do any more then speak the truth and tell you that a lot of good poor people and otherwise honorable people are being left no recourse other than civil disobedience and government fines with IRS as the enforcer. It sucks no matter how you slice it.
“I fear that most the Catholic colleges and healthcare aren’t very much concerned about being faithful witnesses.”
Del, my parish gave a forewarning of a call for civil disobedience last week; but they are not a PC crowd. Has your parish not mentioned that yet? What about months ago when the entire Catholic community mentioned this in a letter from the bishops that was inserted in the bulletin? Did you not receive that either?
” . I gave you the site and a quote from the site. You punched your numbers in yourself. You came back with the results not me. Nothing I said was untrue. I think you are being obstinate at best.”
I’m not being obstinate. The penalties are waved for people in my position, who don’t get Medicaid because our states don’t care to cover us, don’t qualify for subsidies, and can’t find a policy that’s 8% or less of our income. You like to doom and gloom, but you leave out half the information so it sounds worse than it is. It’s dishonest. Did you even do any research on exemptions when you were looking for these “loopholes”?
“Like I said…good luck with your benevolent bureaucracy. Did you also see that the penalties for people who fail to comply progressively increase every year after 2014?”
The penalties are capped at $695 per person by 2016 but cannot exceed 2.5% of annual income. If someone chooses to forgo insurance they cannot be penalized more than that. And like I said, there are several exemptions.
“All I can say is people like you will never pay attention until they are actually effected. You are like the frog being cooked in boiling water that never jumps out of the pot and gradually gets cooked and eaten. If it is easier to just listen to people who make you feel good about things then don’t let me rock your boat and don’t pay any attention. I can’t do any more then speak the truth and tell you a lot of good people are being left no alternative but civil disobedience and penalties.”
Load of garbage, I’m already affected. I was affected by our prior, pathetic healthcare system that has me over 25K in debt. I’ll be affected by this one because my state is refusing to go along, leaving me again with no way to get insurance, unless I find a way to make a little more money or lose my job. But, I’ll be exempted from penalties along with the other people in my spot. No insurance, but no worse off anyway.
Jack,
The law is incredibly complex. Even Ex-RINO (your resident health care expert lol) said he would have to analyze things for a couple days to tell you how this might effect you. I was being genuine when I directed you to the site. At this point it is anybody’s guess who will get exemptions. I believe that if you worked, and if your employer offered a plan that was 8% or less of your income with a 3k deductible you would have to take the plan or fore-go subsidies. If you found an exemption for yourself then bravo for you. Not so good though for the rest of us.
And just what is to keep the IRS from jacking up the penalties down the road? IMO anybody who trust the bureaucrats to leave your pocketbook alone is a sucker.
“I’m not being obstinate. The penalties are waved for people in my position, who don’t get Medicaid because our states don’t care to cover us, don’t qualify for subsidies, and can’t find a policy that’s 8% or less of our income.”
How can you already know what your employer will charge for health care next year let alone what out of pocket deductibles they will offer as part of it. You do understand that the government is offering incentives to employers who offer such a plan; don’t you? You remind me of the frog in boiling water….nothing to worry about lad.
” How can you already know what your employer will charge for health care next year let alone what out of pocket deductibles they will offer as part of it. You do understand that the government is offering incentives to employers who offer such a plan; don’t you? You remind me of the frog in boiling water….nothing to worry about lad.”
What are you talking about? My employer doesn’t offer insurance and he told me he’s not planning on it. If he offers me a plan that’s 8% or less of my income I’d take it. You don’t seem to understand that I really do need insurance, and I’m not one of those people who thinks I should be able to go to the ER, not pay my bill, and have everyone else eat the cost. We all should be paying for healthcare if at all possible.
“At this point it is anybody’s guess who will get exemptions. I believe that if you worked, and if your employer offered a plan that was 8% or less of your income with a 3k deductible you would have to take the plan or fore-go subsidies.”
Or they can choose to pay the penalty, capped at 2.5% of their income or $695 per person. That’s why it’s a mandate. That’s what you aren’t getting. The whole point is to reduce the ridiculous amount of uninsured people which are overloading our system by getting care and not paying for it. From the research I’ve done, most uninsured people don’t pay anywhere near their full bill, ever, and everyone else eats the cost. Cut down on people being uninsured, you get less of this and maybe our system will become anywhere near affordable.
“And just what is to keep the IRS from jacking up the penalties down the road? IMO anybody who trust the bureaucrats to leave your pocketbook alone is a sucker.”
The law.
And stop condescending to me. I’m not dumber than you are, I just don’t agree with you.
truth -
You said that nothing you’ve said is untrue.
Do you stand behind your comment about wage garnishing?
Ex-RINO,
Can the IRS garnish wages of people who they deem owe back taxes?
The IRS is specifically barred from garnishment for Obamacare penalties.
“What are you talking about? My employer doesn’t offer insurance and he told me he’s not planning on it”
Then he will be paying the government for his disobedience. Many will do their best to offer plans that are ‘affordable’ by lowering the premiums and raising the deductibles.
“The IRS is specifically barred from garnishment for Obamacare penalties.”
Was that before or after the Supreme Court determined that the penalties were a tax?
” Then he will be paying the government for his disobedience. Many will do their best to offer plans that are ‘affordable’ by lowering the premiums and raising the deductibles. ”
No he won’t. Small business with I think less than 50 employees don’t have to provide insurance and won’t be penalized. He only has like ten employees I think. My prior employer probably would have been in trouble, but that’s his deal I don’t work there anymore.
They capped out-of-pocket spending like deductibles and co-pays and the like for even the minimum coverage plans.
” Was that before or after the Supreme Court determined that the penalties were a tax?”
It’s in the law itself. They are limited to taking it out of your refund. They can charge interest if you don’t get a refund, but they are prohibited from taking other steps to collect it.
truth – Jack is right about the wage garnishment. So I don’t agree when you said that you were totally truthful.
Also, you don’t have much of a leg to stand on. You are talking about loopholes that will leave some uninsured while you support systems that leave millions more uninsured. I’d respect your thoughts on those things if you had more of a comprehensive plan – single payer or something.
They won’t need wage garnishment. They can just reach into your bank account and take it al at once if they want. They will come up with ways to punish people and get their past due taxes plus interest. Maybe they will sell the debt to a government sponsored debt collector who can add penalties and interest…that is what they did with my student loan.
Should have paid your loan then, truth. Why do you think you should get free education on MY tax dollars? Lol. ;)
So it’s going to be another one of these Sunday Funnies threads…
And if if’s and but’s were candy and nuts it would be Christmas all year round.
Speculate all you want – the law prohibits it.
And again – you are talking about people possibly being fined a small amount of money, all while fighting for a system that leaves parents with the choice of treating their ill kids or keeping their house. Lifetime caps sure make it hard for people who find out they are going to have a baby with issues – makes it harder for people to decide to keep that child. And that’s what you support – health care with lifetime caps.
I did pay it back Jack. I paid it off before my credit card debt because the government was charging more interest and penalties. When I got out of school I was working for $5.25 an hr and it was pay student loan or food and rent for me and my wife and kid.
So you think that was wrong for the government to do?
But you’re perfectly fine with a dude getting a 35K hospital bill and being in debt for the rest of his life, whether or not he has has a wife and kid, destroying his credit, etc… because you hate the idea of single payer or another form of medical system that makes healthcare costs bearable. You chose to go to college, no one chooses to get sick.
But seriously, you guys make me mad. All I hear out of conservatives is personal responsibility this and freeloaders that. While they complain when they default on their own student loans or complain because they are worried they won’t get their Medicare or Social Security lol (which all of us younger people who almost definitely won’t receive Social Security when we retire unless something drastic happens are still paying for). It’s like they think the only moral social programs are ones they personally benefit from, and only your personal sob stories that make you worthy of a break/less interest/whatever. It’s just the most hypocritical thing ever.
Hi Jack,
I am sympathetic to your situation. My issue has never been with people legitimately in need of help, I am involved with and donate to charities, but with people who think the world owes them a handout. A huge difference. As for personal responsiblity, I refer to people who abuse their health and bodies, or won’t even take advantage of health care that is offered free or reduced cost, and then complain about the consequences. BTW, this covers people in every socioeconomic area. Some of the most educated and financially sound people I know blame their arthritis and diabetes on heredity, oblivious to their morbid obesity.
I am very sorry about your medical debt. I am no less sorry to hear of people who go bankrupt defending themselves against false criminal charges. However, I’ve never heard anyone argue that the legal system needs to be gov’t run or that we need “legal reform” or a single payer system. I am sorry for the large number of families in my community, mostly single parent families, working people, and elderly people, who lost everything in a huge apt. building fire. If they didn’t have renter’s insurance, which I’m sure most didn’t, they are left with nothing. Yes very tragically, people are victims of circumstances beyond their control and through no fault of their own.
My argument is that the gov’t, already trillions in debt, and with a long track record of ineptness, corruption, and waste, is not the solution. Already, our seniors are being targeted.
http://www.aim.org/aim-column/betsy-mccaughey-obamacare-could-cost-35000-elderly-patients-their-lives-every-year/
This is apparently the gov’t’s idea of making health care costs “bearable”. Not quite what most Americans who supported Obamacare had in mind.
You make a good point about social security possibly not being available when you need it. Well Jack, you just made my argument for me. These are the folks you trust with your health care?
As for ts, so the guy defaulted. He paid. Live and learn. Did the man ever claim to be flawless?
Mary -
My question on your article is this.
What are you proposing then?
Should we raise taxes to fund Medicare at higher rates? I believe that is what you are proposing – let me know.
EGV,
I’m proposing that gov’t only creates more problems than it solves. More taxes mean more money down the sewer. How about ditching Obamacare, already a monstrosity, which the majority of Americans oppose anyway, and returning the money it siphoned off Medicare.
http://blog.heritage.org/2012/08/01/obamacare-robs-medicare-of-716-billion-to-fund-itself/
Mary -
Three points (with a question)
1) The only polls showing a majority in favor of repeal are polls that get 15-20% who want to repeal because the law doesn’t go far enough (people who want single payer).
2) The $716 is a decrease in future spending, has been proposed by Ryan and passed by Republicans in a budget, and is largely through crack down of overpayments and fraud. Still against it?
3) The question. If you repeal Medicare, medicare starts running a deficit in 2017. Would you raise taxes to pay for it, cut back on spending, or run a deficit regarding medicare?
Question 3 is really all I care about – you just need to be aware of 1 and 2, because they are important.
EGV
Really?
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2012/03/05/americans_resisting_obamacare_113368.html
Obamacare uses the “savings” to fund Obamacare, not to shore up Medicare’s finances. Didn’t you read the article? The money is only siphoned, not saved. A shell game EGV, typical of what the gov’t you want running our health care does with our taxes.
I don’t believe Medicare can be repealed. Its a boondoggle we’re stuck with like social security. Why create another one, which Obamacare is already becoming?
Also EGV, you’re missing the point of my post. Government involvement isn’t health care reform and isn’t going to solve anything. We have a gov’t trillions in debt. Where’s the money coming from for this single payer nirvana you keep hoping for?
BTW EGV, did you ever find out if you’re one of the 10 million Americans whose medical records Obama’s brownshirts got their mitts on?
You sound like a blasted politician – just answer the question. Should we raise taxes and fully fund it, should we make cuts to it, or should we run a deficit?
I’ll get to your other thoughts after, but answer a stinkin’ direct question.
EGV,
Don’t get your undies in a twist.
I already told you raising taxes only gives those drunken sailors in Washington more money to waste. It solves nothing.
“Cuts” apparently only means the money is siphoned off for other reasons. Like another gov’t boondoggle such as Obamacare. It has nothing to do with creating more efficiency or weeding out corruption and waste. If “cuts” truly weeded out waste and corruption and shored up the program, I would support them. However, I’m not holding my breath.
A deficit? That will probably happen no matter what. The corruption, ineptness, and waste will ultimately sink this program. Reform? Not when it comes to a bunch of politicians wanting to win votes.
Likely Medicare will prove to be yet another gov’t failure that will collapse under its own weight and force alternatives like private payments, insurance for seniors, etc. Will seniors be happy about this? Nope. It could also mean denial of care.
Now tell me EGV, why do you want yet another gov’t run health care program?
Mary –
To be clear then – if you won’t raise taxes, and you won’t cut benefits, you are saying that when medicare runs outlays surpass revenue, you support deficit spending on Medicare. Is that correct?
Jack,
I wasn’t looking for any sympathy. Nobody should count on the government for subsidized anything. People should NOT be forced to pay for everybody’s health care. Everybody should have to take responsibility. But it is NOT your place nor the government’s place to force me to buy something and tax me whatever amount you say it is worth to me.
EGV,
I don’t support defecit spending. What I support won’t matter. It will happen. I think my 10:14PM post sums it up.
Well Mary – that’s the answer I was guessing.
You don’t support raising taxes
You don’t support cutting benefits
And you don’t support deficit spending on Medicare.
So really, you have no right to complain about anything anybody does regarding medicare, because you have no actual solution, you just want to complain. Lovely.
Jack,
Are you aware that part of what made Romney/Ryan unpopular re: SS was the fact that they were proposing accepting the fact that we simply couldn’t pay for them and trying to “take their medicine” by denying themselves SS while trying to improve the financial situation re:deficit and inability to support our aging population? I just ask because of your comment about conservatives who complain about not getting their share. I hear a lot more of “use the system-that’s what it’s there for” from liberals in my own generation, assuming that it’s better to take advantage of welfare and unemployment and medicaid and whatnot simply because they can, without a clear understanding of the fact that doing so forces higher taxes and leaves a worse deficit for our own children. I’ve watched a number of people my age get on welfare and plan a trip for their family down to Disneyland every year. I’ve watched some of them claim unemployment because of too few hours at work, and then fly out to Vegas. I have a few acquaintances who are fully insured, but applied for Medicaid because they could, and because they didn’t want to pay the $10 insurance copay for dr visits. All of these examples are liberals. I also have seen conservatives who go out and buy the absolute most expensive cheeses, meats, etc at the store because their assistance allowed them to do so. I’ve seen conservatives who complain about how little they make while they browse the internet on their newest gen iphone that they bought outright because they weren’t due for an upgrade. I’ve seen conservatives lie about how much they make in order to manipulate how much child support they receive. So I’m not pointing the blame at either party. I’m just pointing out a fiscal move-by conservatives-which acknowledged the issue at hand, as you pointed out, and was willing to accept the consequences of their own and their parents’ financial irresponsibility. And pointing out that the abuse of the system comes from all venues-as I’ve observed from personal acquaintances in my own life.
EGV,
Do you have a problem with reading comprehension? I clearly stated that I would support cuts if they weeded out waste and corruption and they shored up the program. Knowing the gov’t, I’m aware “cuts” will amount to little more than a shell game.
MaryRose, I know there are cheats and lazy people on both sides, and none of it’s good. I’m just sick of the hypocrisy I’ve observed in the conservative camp on this blog and in general. And to be honest I was needling truthseeker because he kept implying I’m dumb and it annoyed me lol.
The worst of it is how the “talking heads” encourage the corruption and laziness in order to expand their own constituency.
Yup, and they encourage polarization and selfishness, politicians and pundits on both sides do. It’s pretty screwed up.
Small business with I think less than 50 employees don’t have to provide insurance and won’t be penalized.
I manage a business in this category. This is accurate. However, there are all sorts of literature that we now need to provide for employees, and the owner is trying to find a way of providing the option for his employees to purchase insurance through the place because he understands how badly “obamacare” is going to affect the average person. Actually doing it, though, has been proving incredibly difficult, because the cost to the business is so steep. For our small place, it’s like hiring on a full-time, very competitively-paid manager. It is kind-of crippling for a small place. But he’s a good boss, all things considered, and is trying to figure something out.
A lot of small businesses will be penalized not by the govt but by the fact that they aren’t being competitive with other businesses in the same category. When your average bluecollar worker discovers that they cannot pay for insurance on their income, and that they have to have insurance, they will start banging on the door to see what they can get, and places that can’t provide what they need are going to have a harder and harder time getting and keeping worthwhile employees.
‘I was needling truthseeker because he kept implying I’m dumb’
implying? lol
Is a frog dumb cause it sits in a pot of water on the stove till it dies. Not necessarily. It is just a frog.
“truth”, not everyone who disagrees with you is stupid or blind. And not everyone who agrees with you is intelligent.
“Is a frog dumb cause it sits in a pot of water on the stove till it dies. Not necessarily. It is just a frog.”
Jack being the frog in that case? Oh yeah, that’s sooo much less insulting than calling him dumb. 9_9
Thanks Mary – so you would do the exact same thing that the President did, which is trimming waste to shore up the program for another decade.