Iowa Dem lists colic among reasons webcam abortions should stay legal
by Kelli
I want to let you know that we as women know about babies. We love them. We adore them. But we also know that they have the challenges they bring.
They have colic, the sleepless nights, the finances, the disciplinary challenges, the education challenges, the birth defects, the mental health issues, the learning disabled… the list goes on and on.
And what women do know is that we know where our limits are. We absolutely know where our limits are – whether we’re ready, whether we’re physically ready, whether we’re emotionally ready, whether we’re financially ready to be parents – and we have the right to make those decisions.
~ Iowa House Rep. Beth Wessel-Kroeschell (D–Ames), stating her reasons for why she believes webcam abortions should remain legal in the state, as quoted by The Iowa Republican, February 12
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Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
Pardon me while I vomit…
Ok, I’m back…allow me to translate Beth’s comments:
Sometimes it’s tough being a parent. It’s a big responsibility. Especially so if you happen to have a child with special needs.
If I don’t think I’m up for the challenge of parenting my special needs child, or for that matter my perfectly healthy child, I’ll know it. And when I know it, IT’S MY RIGHT TO KILL MY CHILD IF I WANT TO!
Mere words cannot convey the utter depravity of this creature. I’m a sinner too. May God have mercy and grant us repentance.
O.o I had colic for like five months when I was a baby. So did my daughter. Colic is no fun. I didn’t kill her though.
Seriously, though, this is nothing new. Pro-choice has always been about putting adult wants over a child’s needs. Adults don’t want to feel tired, deal with screaming baby, they want to finish college, etc… so the baby has to die for it. And it’s not like adoption doesn’t exist, but don’t tell these people that.
“and we have the right to make those decisions “. Yes, you do -BEFORE you conceive.
I can’t think of anybody who would have sex with this witch so the world has that going it. Are webcam lobotomys legal?
Humans are notoriously bad at knowing “limits.” How many women struggle with overcrowded schedules and the notorious double shift? How many people (of either sex) struggle to say “no” when their schedules are already full? How many people struggle with over-eating? Or alcoholism?
How many people fall off the wagon when they diet, exercise, quite smoking, quit drinking, or try to reign in spending because it’s “too hard”?
Clearly, “knowing our limits” is not a common strength.
People who willingly engage in sex (premarital or marital) must accept the responsibility that children may be a result. If they cannot accept the emotional and financial responsibility of bringing children into the world, that is evidence that they are not ready for sex – no matter their age. And thus, this would end the majority of unplanned pregnancies and abortions. LL
Hi Ed H. Long time no see. Good to see you back here. I hope and pray you have been doing well.
Excellent translation given by you Ed of this woman’s quote btw. You could not make this stuff up could you?. Makes me want to vomit as well.
“Baby you just have to die because I feel like I just can’t handle you. “I know” just one thing it’s all about me, me, me.”
May God help her and help us all.
No woman is forced to raise a child she does not want, so this politician’s point is moot.
This is the pinnacle of feminism? A woman is too weak to care for her own child and has to be rescued by a man in a white coat who will take her daughter’s life. This is the pinnacle of tolerance? Of compassion for the poor? Of sacrificing for the little guy? Of progress? Of a just and egalitarian society? How do they not cringe thinking about this? For a “progressive,” paradise on Earth can be had, poverty can be cured, the low can be lifted up, except for the case of the unborn child, they will always be with us and must always be killed when the going gets tough. An empire built on the bones of millions.
I want you to know that as adults, we understand about elderly parents. We love our elderly parents and we know how difficult our elderly parents can be. They can suffer confusion, dementia, limited mobility, acute and chronic illness, disability, incontinence, and require constant care and supervision. They can certainly prove very challenging.
As adults, we know what our limits are. Whether we are financially, emotionally, and physically able to handle our parents’ circumstances. As such we have a right to make those decisions.
–Stating reasons why euthanasia of the elderly is a decision best made by their adult children and should remain legal and easily accesible.
Oooohhhh no she didn’t.
This makes me so upset. Yes, becoming a parent is difficult. Yes there are sleepless nights and colic and special needs. But there is also joy.
One thing that I’ve noticed about this crowd is that they have this strange idea that no one ought to go through hardships. Woops! Baby’s parents might not be able to send him to Harvard. Kill him. Woops! Baby might have to struggle to survive. Kill him.
I mean, where are these people living? On what planet? Not that I’m saying I *like* pain, but life is full of struggle and honestly it’s a good thing. Struggle produces strength. Challenges produce character. Working hard for something makes you appreciate it more. Every human has the right to struggle for their survival. We all have to right to at least try to live.
Life is hard, cupcake. Marriage is hard too. So, what, when my partner annoys me, I ought to off him? We don’t get to kill people just because they are hard.
And also please stop with this malarky that “women know,” like we have some kind of mystical knowledge of things. True, our bodies usually know how birth (but not always). But we have to learn to parent just like any other parent. There’s a learning curve. Some are more natural at it than others, but then some dads are more natural dads than others. We all have to learn here in Parentland. They don’t infuse your brain with this mystical “knowledge” when you get your baby. Wouldn’t that be nice?
I agree with your comment Laura. Its funny how these pro-aborts always leave that reasoning out of their statements. Avoid responsibility at any cost is the only theme.
In which the pro-choice movement continues its descent into self-parody.
You’re ruining my groove, Baby!
You must die.
All better.
+1 to Mary 9:18.
Try to stay healthy, Beth W-K. Because some day you may become an overwhelming inconvenience to someone who should love and care for you, and be too weak to speak out or defend yourself.
Or perhaps the jackboots from Obamacare may decide that it is their duty to decide when your life-license has expired.
Beth: As an elected leader, you have a special duty to protect the weak and the innocent from injustice and harm by those who are stronger and cruel. You will give an answer for this failure someday — before a Just Judge and a jury of thousands of little souls who never had the chance to live or love or be loved.
I’m thankful firefighters don’t use this line of reasoning. “I absolutely know my limit, whether I’m emotionally ready to rush into that burning building to save those children.”
Learning disabilities??
Thanks to this woman for at least exposing the eugenic nature of abortion. Good grief.
Hi Del,
Thank you.
Speaking of jackboots:
http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/198298-vulnerable-dems-want-irs-to-step-up
Hey Prolifer L, thanks for the kind thoughts and prayers…right back atcha Sista’!
Yep, we’ve got to keep fighting the good fight! Babies, moms and souls hang in the balance. Trying to pull together a 40 Days for Life campaign for this spring on short notice. We’ve got a super committed group of prayer warriors, Helpers of God’s Precious Infants, who are interceding through rain, snow, cold…what an inspiration. So much of the church seems to be asleep though.
Got to keep sounding the alarm.
I strongly disagree with this lady. We DO NOT know our limits until we actually reach them, and even then we usually find some strength in our little toe and pick ourselves up! Happened many times!
I am sincerely worried about the jackboots. Obama has revealed a new thing in America: Americans are no longer concerned for preserving freedom for all, as long as the persecutions are aimed “other guys.” This is the attitude that permitted good German citizens to look the other way as Jews were systematically persecuted by Nazis.
Future presidents will not fail to notice this. Eventually, more will try to abuse their powers over our taxation, healthcare, education, speech, travel, etc.
As pro-lifers, we are going to be on the sharp, pointy end of the stick when folks like Beth Wessel-Kroeschell are in charge. She ardently believes that legalized murder is a solution to just about any sort of problem — like colic or free speech.
Rachel: Clearly, “knowing our limits” is not a common strength.
I think that as a race, we have to learn the hard way, over and over.
Del: Future presidents will not fail to notice this. Eventually, more will try to abuse their powers over our taxation, healthcare, education, speech, travel, etc.
Del, it’s been going on for a long time, without regard to the party of the sitting President. At this point, I think it’s economically guaranteed – we are past the point of no return, financially, and eventually the “no such thing as a free lunch” deal will mean more gov’t intrusion into our lives as those in power seek to maintain their status.
Dear Iowa,
She has given you the gift of her belief system. The absolute truth she adheres to and walks in. You have work to do.
You are without excuse. You can never again say you didn’t know.
jackboots…….lol
“And also please stop with this malarky that “women know,” like we have some kind of mystical knowledge of things. True, our bodies usually know how birth (but not always). But we have to learn to parent just like any other parent. There’s a learning curve. Some are more natural at it than others, but then some dads are more natural dads than others. We all have to learn here in Parentland. They don’t infuse your brain with this mystical “knowledge” when you get your baby. Wouldn’t that be nice? ”
Seriously, I think it’s really, really sexist to put that on women. I think it contributes to young mothers, especially first time mothers, feeling like they have to be “Supermom” and automatically know what’s best in all situations and never need help. It’s not fair to young mothers to be treated like they’ll never need help or advice, or that they are automatically going to be great at parenting with no training. I believe it contributes to PPD and even child neglect/abuse, because it leaves young moms without support and attention because, hey, women are supposed to do this naturally right? What kind of mother would need help? It’s sexist. Some women need more support, training, help, etc than others. Doesn’t make anyone less of a woman than someone that has mothering comes natural to her. And I’ve seen young mothers just drowning because they need help an are afraid it makes them a bad mom to ask for it. That stuff has gotta stop.
Dads get the opposite sexist treatment, I believe. Men are treated like we are automatically bumbling idiots and know nothing about children (which is partially true but it’s not biological, it’s just that boys aren’t as socialized to care for babies and small children when we are young as much as girls are). I’ve had plenty of condescending people act like I’m a babysitter instead of a father, act completely shocked and weirded out when they find out I have full custody instead of the being the typical divorced father that has the kids every other weekend. I have even had (probably well intentioned) older ladies at the park or beach offer to change my daughter when she was still in diapers because obviously as a dad I couldn’t possibly know what I was doing. I find the whole “men have no idea how to care for children” meme just as annoying and damaging as assuming all women are automatically childcare professionals. I think a lot of dads get alienates from their children, especially after a divorce, because of the attitude it’s not a “mans place” to be a caregiver.
YES Jack. I agree. And it’s weird because most of where I hear that is from the pro-woman rah-rah motherhood natural birth crowd. Women have power!! Trust your instincts!!! No one knows your baby like you do!! Which, to some extent may be true, but it’s not always true.
And in case you haven’t picked up on it, I’m not a great mom. Or at least, it doesn’t come naturally to me. I love my kid more than anything, but I’ve never been naturally inclined towards mothering. I pretty much never held other people’s babies (still don’t really). SO it’s terribly discouraging to be told I’ll somehow just magically “know what to do” (and often this is used in the vaccine or other health issues debate. Um no. I am not a medical professional).
Actually that mindset has led to a lot of problems in my journey as a mama. But lately I’ve been kicking it off, admitting that I’m not a natural so need a bit more advice, and moving on.
And yes!! It’s so annoying that guys aren’t ever even given the chance to take care of their kids sometimes. It’s just assumed they are idiots and have no clue what to do. That actually really pisses me off. I think maybe a reason why a lot of guys don’t step up is because they’re not expected to and then when/if they do, they’re condescended.
Let’s stop sexist parenting stereotypes!!!
Doug: I know that abuse of power is nothing new, but there is something new about Americans in the Obama age.
When Nixon got caught abusing the power of his office, sending agents to break into one office and steal confidential records — America responded with righteous anger and brought down the Administration.
Obama’s “dirty tricks” are far more widespread than Nixon would dare to imagine. But Obama’s polling numbers only dipped a few percentage points, and then recovered. Collective yawn.
The next guy with a hollow conscience who is tempted to deploy illegal abuse of his office is not going to think of Nixon. He or she is going to think of Obama.
We are ripe for another Hitler-style rise to power — all we need is a hard economic crisis. It is no surprise that the party who promise secular salvation from all of our wants and needs is the same party who strive to hasten the economic collapse!
They plan to win, either way, and then there will be martyrs.
“And in case you haven’t picked up on it, I’m not a great mom. Or at least, it doesn’t come naturally to me. I love my kid more than anything, but I’ve never been naturally inclined towards mothering. I pretty much never held other people’s babies (still don’t really). SO it’s terribly discouraging to be told I’ll somehow just magically “know what to do” (and often this is used in the vaccine or other health issues debate. Um no. I am not a medical professional). ”
You are a great mom. Don’t say you aren’t! What you are not is natural at parenting, but that doesn’t make you not great. You care about your son more than anything, needing guidance and help doesn’t mean that you are anything less than an awesome mother. Actually, I think it means you are even BETTER as a mother for admitting that and working on getting yourself some help and support.
“And yes!! It’s so annoying that guys aren’t ever even given the chance to take care of their kids sometimes. It’s just assumed they are idiots and have no clue what to do. That actually really pisses me off. I think maybe a reason why a lot of guys don’t step up is because they’re not expected to and then when/if they do, they’re condescended. ”
I think so too. I had never so much as held a baby until I had my son, I was absolutely terrified. I think we’d do well as a society to socialize boys to expect to be close to their children when they are fathers. Somethings got to counteract this idea that children belong to their mothers, we have a generation of fatherless children and the problem is only getting worse. Somehow fatherhood got equated to a paycheck, which is not right.
Del: We are ripe for another Hitler-style rise to power — all we need is a hard economic crisis. It is no surprise that the party who promise secular salvation from all of our wants and needs is the same party who strive to hasten the economic collapse!
Both parties have been just as bad as far as bringing on the collapse. Last 40+ years, every time a Republican followed a Democrat into the White House, not only did the deficits not decline, then didn’t even stay anything remotely constant. Every time, they went up a lot.
“Big Government” is here to stay – there too we are past the point of no return; doesn’t matter what party is in.
Still: ”We are ripe for another Hitler-style rise to power — all we need is a hard economic crisis.”
Totally agree, and I’ve said it that exact way.
“They have colic, the sleepless nights, the finances, the disciplinary challenges, the education challenges, the birth defects, the mental health issues, the learning disabled… the list goes on and on.”
Let’s at least wait to see which children have the nerve to interfere with adults’ lives in these ways. Let them all live and reassess at 3 months, 2 years, and 5 years. Keep the low maintenance and quieter ones. Sassy and dyslexic kids are obviously out. Then we’ll know THEIR “limits.”
On a side note, I think I saw her at the grocery store today. She was rolling her eyes and muttering something as I drove past with my car cart full of laughing kids, coupons, and cheerios.
“Let’s at least wait to see which children have the nerve to interfere with adults’ lives in these ways. Let them all live and reassess at 3 months, 2 years, and 5 years. Keep the low maintenance and quieter ones. Sassy and dyslexic kids are obviously out. Then we’ll know THEIR “limits.””
Have you ever read the “Unwind” series of books by Neal Schusterman? They are young adult novels, but still pretty good. It kinda touches on this idea in a way. You should try them.
I disagree completely: we have no idea where our limits are. It’s a sheltered life that never endures and looks back to exclaim, “wow. I never would have thought I could”. Pushing our limits is challenging but it’s often the most rewarding place to live. (pushing our own limits, that is… not pushing the limits of gravity and morality, etc.)
“Have you ever read the “Unwind” series of books by Neal Schusterman?”
Oh, like, read for fun? =) Sounds interesting, Jack.