Chicago archbishop won’t deny communion to pro-choice pols
by Carder
I would not use the Eucharist or as they call it the communion rail as the place to have those discussions or way in which people would be either excluded from the life of the church. The Eucharist is an opportunity of grace and conversion. It’s also a time of forgiveness of sins. So my hope would be that that grace would be instrumental in bringing people to the truth.
~ Archbishop Blase Cupich, the new archbishop of Chicago, responding to the question of whether he would give communion to pro-choice politicians, as reported by Breitbart, December 2
Dec.03, 2014 6:00 am |
Political anti-life bias, The Church |
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
Oh joy. Another opportunity to bash Catholic clergy on this site.
Bashing? Seems it would be an opportunity to teach people to not receive Holy Communion if one has sins that need to be forgiven. That is what the Sacrament of Reconciliation is for… making a good confession and only then receiving Communion in a state of Grace. It is not in one’s interest to compound sin on top of sin.
People need to be educated about what is a sin. Seems many are not clear about this. Esp. when speaking of sins of lust leading to birth control, abortion, etc.
Really sounds like many preachers, teachers, and medical personal have fallen down on the job or are accomplices before/after the fact regarding the mess the culture is in.
Leave out religion and see these two articles. In the 1st a doctor says that “a huge number of women that are at risk of unintended pregnancy are using ineffective methods, primarily condoms.” and is promoting IUDs and the shot. Hm-m-m, that helps to explain the 1 in 3 prevalence of STDs. Those long term methods do not stop STDs nor claim to.
The 2nd has ‘sex week’ promoting threesomes, anal sex, etc., “Yale University held one in 2002 and since then there have been at least 20, including at the University of Chicago, the University of Maryland and Harvard University.” Those that are thought to be the smartest are spending tens of thousand a year learn about what? Yikes!
http://www.opb.org/news/article/oregon-first-state-to-reduce-unwanted-pregnancies-using-more-effective-contraception/
Oregon First State To Try Reducing Unwanted Pregnancies By Using More Effective Contraception
http://www.npr.org/blogs/ed/2014/11/28/366333032/talking-very-frankly-about-sex-on-campus
Talking (Very Frankly) About Sex On Campus
Yet another weak-kneed shepherd. Pray much for this one.
It looks like the archbishop intends to quietly counsel the politicians in his care about their public sins and obligations, which is the common pastoral approach to these things. Even when informing the likes of Pelosi or Biden to abstain from the Eucharist while they protect their “sacred ground,” the individual is entitled to preservation of her reputation and good name.
In the careful speech of pastoral bishops, he is saying that he does not intend to make public announcements or condemnations of political persons.
Public declarations do not have the medicinal effect of repentance and healing, which is what we all desire. Read Archbishop Cupich’s remarks again, with this in mind.
Catholics remember when Pope St. John Paul the Great made a public condemnation of the writings of Hans Kung, and forbade him from teaching at any Catholic college or institution. The world made him into a celebrity and martyr and a hero of defiance.
We won’t hear Catholic bishops making public declarations of excommunication.
Ughh.. This ‘shepherd’ will be held to account by the Lord.
People need to be educated about what is a sin. – whose version?
Sounds like he wants to keep the numbers up, especially amongst those who possibly contribute the most financially.
Sounds like he wants to keep the numbers up, especially amongst those who possibly contribute the most financially.
Yeah Reality? Just when were you the parish bookkeeper, served on the finance committee or parish council? Just making stuff up to fit your own paradigm.
Liberal cafeteria Catholics are not know to be big contributors to the Church.
Until I was 16 MoJoanne, my best friends father was the parish bookkeeper. I sometimes assisted him on Sundays. Did you miss the word ‘possibly’ in my sentence (not even a ‘probably’) or are you just making stuff up to fit your own paradigm? More numbers = more money.
Do pro choice pols even go to mass?
“Do pro choice pols even go to mass?”
Perhaps on Christmas and Easter.
Let’s get real – many Catholics are pro-choice, and/or use birth control (a very high percentage), and a substantial number of Catholics have abortions; 15%? 20%?
Many people who would be critical of certain bishops don’t measure up even as well as the bishops themselves. All this blah blah blah pretending and whining and moaning… Look in the mirror, first, and then let’s talk about real Catholics and leave the hypocritical pretense behind.
http://prolifecorner.com/abandoned-in-illinois/
Cupich has never met a pro-abortion politician he didn’t like.
It used to be that the Sacrament of Reconciliation, a.k.a., Penance was the time for the forgiveness of sins. I guess there has been an update in catechism.
Catholicism cyclically goes through these diluted periods, in which many reformers, a.k.a., Protestants are made.
Del, Pelosi has made public her faith and her support of abortion. She has gone so far as to argue the Church does not really have a firm position regarding when the pre-born child becomes a human (using bits of arguemnents put forth by theologons in the middle ages). When Catholics know her public position and see her receiving communion, it is a public scandal. This then leads people to wonder if the Church really means what it teaches. “Is it a grave sin?” It is not loving or merciful or kind either for the politician who takes such a public position to then receive communion or for the rest of the parishoners to witness the parishoner do so. Rather it shows a lack of concern, by the Bishop, for all of his flock. Indifference is the opposite of love.
Reality,
Save your BS for you and the 13 “posters” who liked your comment that your best friends Dad was parish bookkeeper when you were 16 and sometimes you assisted him”. Seriously.. lol. Did they breakdown the weekly contributions based on who was pro-let the baby live and who was pro-kill the baby if it you want to…………..I doubt it. But if they did then the rat-bastards who support killing the unborn for convenience are notorious for their “lack” of charitable giving.
I call BS on your claim of BS truthseeker. I did assist the bookkeeper, to the extent that I learned to figure out how much various people tended to give.
Abortion wasn’t on my radar in regards to the church and no mention of it was ever made in church or amongst churchgoers that I heard or heard of.
This is just another of your self-delusional constructs.
But if they did then the rat-bastards who support killing the unborn for convenience are notorious for their “lack” of charitable giving. – prove it.
Reality sometimes you make me LOL just because crying would make me sadder! “sin. – whose version?” and “Abortion wasn’t on my radar in regards to the church and no mention of it was ever made in church or amongst churchgoers that I heard or heard of.”
So are you really saying that your preacher did not educate his congregation about sin? Did he discuss any of the 7 deadly sins … Pride, Envy, Gluttony, Lust, Anger, Greed, and Sloth? Ever heard a sermon on gossip? Says a lot about consequences in later life.
Ezekiel:33 is about the Watchman and his consequences. You might read that. Think about it in the light of not hearing about the evils of Gluttony that might lead to purging disorder, bulimia nervosa or anorexia nervosa. Self-induced vomiting, misuse of laxatives, diuretics, or enemas as a result of Gluttony sounds like birth control and abortion as a result of Lust.
Understanding the problem is half of the solution. The above quotes sounds like you are half way there.
“But if they did then the rat-bastards who support killing the unborn for convenience are notorious for their “lack” of charitable giving. – prove it. -”
Reality,
How do you like your proof presented? Here is a link. I can list ten more links or you one at a time or you could google it yourself.
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewSubCategory.asp?id=725
Refusing to give Communion to some might cause them to whine that “see the Church is not welcoming to all!” This might cause more problems than it would solve.
I have seen non-Catholics go to Communion. Should the priest/bishop ask for id and then stop everything and give a shout out to the congregation?
If you are one who disagrees with some folks receiving Communion, why not point them out yourself during Mass? Stand in front of these sinners and tell them you refuse to allow them to receive Holy Communion. Or you could quietly take them aside later and explain the Joy they would find if they became Catholic with a capital C.
Outspoken proaborts already know where the Church stands on abortion. Refusing to give them Communion is not going to change their minds. They may just want to make a bigger scene than they already do. They are so self-absorbed that they probably believe that their occasional stops at Mass will actually sway the regular attendees to become proaborts!
Do not think that a one-on-one shouting match is going to happen at Communion time. Other Bishops have written in their local Catholic paper that they are not going to give Communion to known abortion supporters.
In fact one priest I know in a tourist area said that he was called by the aide of such a politician and asked his position. When told that Communion would not be given, that politician (with reporters) did not show up.
Many priests at weddings and funerals announce at the beginning of services that those who are not Catholic are welcome to come up at Communion time with their arms crossed and receive a blessing. Blessings are given to very young children and babies in the same manner. This is probably what would happen. As I wrote earlier, compound sin on sin is in no one’s better interest.
When I was growing up, children and others stayed in the pews until they went through the process and received First Holy Communion. I didn’t feel slighted but eagerly awaited my own First Holy Communion.
Of course, this was back when children didn’t get the choice of whether they wanted to attend Mass or not and the parents didn’t just show up at Christmas and Easter.
I see the correlation to contraception/abortion and the “do whatever you want” mentality even when it comes to Mass (and I was just as much a cafeteria catholic as anyone else for many years).
I hope that those who disagree with the Bishop on this, are volunteering their time to teach the Catholic faith to others so we can turn this all back around.
Klaus: December 4, 2014 at 9:52 pm
“Let’s get real – many Catholics are pro-choice, and/or use birth control (a very high percentage), and a substantial number of Catholics have abortions; 15%? 20%?
Many people who would be critical of certain bishops don’t measure up even as well as the bishops themselves. All this blah blah blah pretending and whining and moaning… Look in the mirror, first, and then let’s talk about real Catholics and leave the hypocritical pretense behind.”
Post of the year.