Words of Choice
Apparently there is a long-running play called Words of Choice that has pro-aborts bonding in group hugs.
Yesterday’s Words of Choice blog gave us a peek into their world when excitedly recounting a performance before world renowned abortionist George Tiller in way off-Broadway Wichita:
On October 9, the cast of Words of Choice… presented the premiere performance of Words of Choice II in the First Unitarian Universalist Church in Wichita….
Wichita, of course, has some of the serious highs and lows of the fight for reproductive freedom.
The highs include Dr. George Tiller, one of the nation’s most accomplished and dedicated ob-gyns and abortion providers. He performs difficult surgeries that many women are unable to access elsewhere. Women travel from throughout the country to see Dr. Tiller and his incredible and caring staff. Other highs are the members of NOW that carry forward the ideals of reproductive freedom, and the Maggot Punks, a group of mostly-young people who unmask and bark back at the virulent elements of the Religious Right….

On the low side – Operation Save Rescue, Troy Newman, and others who have descended upon Wichita….

Also in attendance was Dr. Tiller, who gave one of the actors a pin that he wears, “Attitude is Everything.” Clinic workers said that everyone at the clinic wears the pin – as part of their “uniform.” And Dr. Tiller explained his thinking about how the mere presence of the button increases positive thinking, and how positive thinking inspires more positive thinking. What a wonderful message to hear….
Other audience members spoke up, as well. One woman decried the amount of time that prochoice people have to spend fighting back against the anti-abortion protesters. For ten years, she said, she hears people saying that there will be positive prochoice legislation any day – as soon as the anti-abortion legislation is defeated. The latter, of course, is never-ending, shelving the pro-choice agenda way too often….
Another woman said: “People need to know that it’s okay to think this way.” Coming from New York, the actors were struck by the silence and stigma that has dragged down choice issues from being part of ordinary conversation….
As a group, however, the cast was intrigued by stories of clinic workers and by Dr. Tiller. So… we decided to drive over to the clinic in the morning.
A small 2-3 contingency of anti-abortion protesters were there. They are supposedly there all around the clock now in “40 days of protests.” On the side lawn lining the clinic, they had set out a row of about 20 white crosses. They had a table and handed out literature, held up some signs. Right next door was a very deceptive crisis pregnancy center – called “Choices.” It’s certainly handy for the protesters, who seem to use it as a living room and bathroom stop. One actor, Crista, went in, and they handed her anti-abortion literature.
But perhaps the most shocking site was seeing the truck that they drive around with images of bloody fetuses. It had a big banner across it that said “Welcome to ObamaNation.” The imagery shows exactly how the anti-abortion forces are trying to push election issues.
And, once again, we left with admiration for Dr. Tiller and his staff, keeping going, despite the environment. They are collectively and individually heroes of the reproductive justice movement.
If “images of bloody fetuses” was so “shocking,” the troupe obviously did not get the full Tiller tour.
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Tiller the Killer is the abortion epicenter of America. He has several crimi9n al charges pending but he still keeps the abortuary operating at full speed ahead.
Hey I’m not trying to “save rescue” We are saving babies! And by the way, Mr. Tiller’s business is down 54% in the 6 years Operation Rescue has been planted in Kansas. Tiller is going to trial in March for illegal abortions, and I am working on a special project that may bankrupt him. Who is smiling now? :)
Troy
“Attitude is Everything.”
Yes, the morality of abortion is solely a matter of the will.
Reproductive Justice Movement.
*eyeroll*
Troy,
I eagerly follow all news of your courageous and effective battle against the mass murderer/serial killer Tiller. Keep up the good work.
What is up with the HUGE DISCONNECT between the images on the truck, and the man that is responsible for creating the destruction in those images? They hold up Tiller as a hero, but when faced with pictorial evidence of his handy-work, they are shocked and disgusted. Again, it’s the denial, the ignorance that is so fiercly protected by the pro-choice. Don’t show us what really happens! Those photos don’t shock Tiller or his staff, it’s what they do every day.
It’s not enough that it’s legal to kill unborn children, but now we must also acknowledge that it’s right and proper to kill unborn children….
No.
You can twist the Supreme Court into lying for you. You can rejoice when our next President repeals the Hyde Amendment and signs FOCA into law. You can probably even force me to pay for child-killing by hijacking some of my tax money.
You cannot make me accept abortion as moral. Not now, not ever. Abortion will always be wrong, no matter how many times you try to tell me otherwise.
Don’t forget the pseudo clergy that Tiller employs to
perform funerals (complete with photos of Jesus)
for the children he destroys.
He is the epitome of Romans 1:28
Troy,
I’M definitely smiling. Keep up the great work.
“If “images of bloody fetuses” was so “shocking,” the troupe obviously did not get the full Tiller tour.”
yea, good point Jill…
What horse puckey.
To begin with Tiller is not an OB/Gyn. He’s a family practice “doctor” and I use the term loosely. Performing abortions no more makes him an OB/GYN than sewing up a superficial knife wound makes a doctor a trauma surgeon.
Why the attitude pins? If these workers are so dedicated and happy in their chosen professions, what’s the problem? BTW, has Tiller ever gotten around to hiring trained and licensed personnel? At the very least, people who know enough to dial 911 in an emergency?
Also, pregnant women can legally and far more safely access necessary health and life saving surgery at any hospital able to meet her needs. Tiller does the dirty work no one else wants to do.
I still maintain that Tiller and his empire will “self destruct” in the near future, as his physical health is obviously failing. If you look at any interview of him, he slurs his words and looks like he’s “not all there”.
He’ll either botch one really horrendous procedure (not that all of his procedures aren’t horrendous) and won’t be able to get himself out of it, despite his legal team, or his health will just deteriorate to the point where he can’t function…preferably the latter.
When either of these happens, I doubt that any other “physician” will step in and try to carry on his business. It’s history is too flawed and the perpetual presence of the pro-lifers is too strong for any other doctor to step in and keep it going.
His ship is sinking.
Despite all of the heroic work that Troy and Operation Rescue have done, I’m fully convinced that Tiller could rape and murder a pregnant mother in his abortion mill, then rape, cook and eat her baby and get away with it.
That is the world we live in. That is the extent of the power of Tiller’s government “friends”.
Sorry for the graphic post, but I’m thoroughly pissed off that this guy is still in business.
PJ…many people are just as irritated as you are that he’s still in business…but his days ARE numbered. His legal fees alone have to be killing him.
How do you make a comic “short” about abortion? I’m sure that even women who don’t regret their abortions don’t think there was anything funny about the whole situation.
That’s just it, Mike. Not only do I believe that the pro-abort deep-pockets are actually paying Tiller’s legal fees for him in the first place (Soros, PP, et al), but that they’ll find some way to make Op Rescue pay him back for his legal fees after ultimately losing the case or having it dismissed by his friends on the inside of govt.
Sorry to be such a downer…feeling a bit negative today. Praying about it, though. Please pray for me and for this nation! God help us all…
I hear you PJMana!! God have mercy on us! Praying for you and our nation.
Thanks Carla! In my mind, I know that all it takes for evil to win is for God’s children to lose heart. I struggle every day with the temptation to do just that and to just return to my life of blind oblivion. But, I can’t do that. Seeing the truth about abortion is akin to eating from the tree of life in the garden of eden. Once done, it cannot be undone.
On this subject, John L. please don’t give up (response to your post yesterday…)! I know what it’s like to feel hopeless. We all do. But to fight in the face of adversity, even until you lose, is what I believe that God wants us to do. Because if you believe His word, you know that God ultimately wins, whether we live in these bodies to see it or not. We know that we will one day see it in Heaven.
I think it’s funny that you go after the Maggot Punks given some of the harsh rhetoric spewed on this website and given the nortoriously violent outbursts of Palin supporters (“Kill him!” doesn’t sound like a very Pro-Life or Christian thing to say).
The things you say about Tiller seem so unhinged for someone you don’t even know. You associate with Randall Terry, who rejects his daughter, cheats on and divorces his wife, and yet you have no problem spewing unsubstantiated venom about others. Everything I have said about Terry is true, yet most of the comments on this site are nothing more than aimless rage by those who are so powerless in their own predicament that they must control the predicament of others. It’s truly sad.
Yo,
You are truly sad.
YoLaTango,
Please directly quote someone stating a falsehood about Tiller.
Has Randall Terry ever been on this site? I wouldn’t know the man if I saw him.
Yo La:
The people yelling racist things at the McCain/Palin rallies were planted by the Osbama campaign and you know it.
Charlie Manson is probably QUITE proud of Obama’s methods in inciting an eventual race war in this country. Now, all he needs to do is send a bunch of Obamabots to some celebrity’s home to carve them up and write “Death to Pigs” in blood on the wall and he’ll have this election sewn up…
A young disabled woman DIED following the abortion that was done on her in 2005. A woman was recently hospitalized following her abortion due to SESPIS infection. And another woman was transferred to the hospital following her abortion.
All these happened at Tiller’s.
“Despite all of the heroic work that Troy and Operation Rescue have done, I’m fully convinced that Tiller could rape and murder a pregnant mother in his abortion mill, then rape, cook and eat her baby and get away with it.”
Posted by: PJMama at October 15, 2008 10:22 AM
That the pro-life side is capable of believing such hysterical stereotypes of those who are PC or perform abortions is both frightening and pitiful at the same time. I’m curious: do you HONESTLY believe this or were you just posting in a passionate moment? That I would understand.
“The people yelling racist things at the McCain/Palin rallies were planted by the Osbama campaign and you know it.”
Posted by: PJMama at October 15, 2008 1:46 PM
-Another statement that forces me to sit back and stare open mouthed at my computer. Damn, denial is powerful.
Even if you had evidence to prove this…has it NEVER, ever occured to you that there are people, who are conservatives, that wouldn’t vote for Obama because he is black and therefore would shout such obscenities while cheering for their candidate? It’s never crossed your mind that you could be sharing support for your candidate with extremists (I could say the same for the Democratic side)?
My God – can we not support our candidates and condemn their footsoldiers at the same time? We’ve become that myopic? Calm down.
Tiller has been able to get away with so much as an abortionist who kills up until the day of delivery. PJMama was talking specifically about Tiller and was speaking for herself I believe.
“The people yelling racist things at the McCain/Palin rallies were planted by the Osbama campaign and you know it.”W
What??? Is this crazy day? what is happening here?
Danielle, 3:07PM
Since we’re discussing racism.
Is voting for Obama only because he’s black any less racist than not voting for him because he’s black?
I’m curious since 95% of blacks are voting for Obama.
By the way, did you see the video of McCain supporters marching through a section of Manhattan? You should see and hear the hatred and verbal abuse spewed at them, and by such bastions of tolerance as Obama supporters!
“Since we’re discussing racism.
Is voting for Obama only because he’s black any less racist than not voting for him because he’s black? I’m curious since 95% of blacks are voting for Obama. By the way, did you see the video of McCain supporters marching through a section of Manhattan? You should see and hear the hatred and verbal abuse spewed at them, and by such bastions of tolerance as Obama supporters!”
Posted by: Mary at October 15, 2008 3:42 PM
-That’s not answering the question. That’s bringing up issues that merit their own discussion…but not as defense to the earlier statement.
For the record, yes, it’s racist to vote for someone based on their color. It’s also rather presumptuous (sp) – and a little racist on it’s own – to assume that the only reason Black ppl are voting for Obama is because he is Black.
There’s hatred and vitriol spewed on both sides. The dismay (for me) is that I can admit that about my own political party while still supporting my candidate. Denying that it would be impossible for something hateful or destructive to take place in your own party – that the only answer is due to a vast consipiracy – is either an example of blind endorsement, willful ignorance or blatant denial, hence my reaction to PJ’s post. It’s stupifying.
Danielle,
Denial IS powerful, indeed. So powerful, in fact, that the Democrat nominee for president of the United States has a list of name after name of radical leftists, socialists, Marxists, and outright anti-Americans that have been PROVEN to have shaped his ideals and orchestrated his ridiculously and suspiciously meteoric rise to power, yet Obamabots continue to chant blindly “he is such a nice guy…and so sexy!”
Denial IS powerful, indeed. You have no idea what denial is. If you want to know what real denial is, talk for five minutes about abortion with a mother who has had an abortion and who says she “has no regrets”. THAT is the saddest denial of all. Don’t know my abortion history? Check out my blog. Feel free to comment.
My comment about what it would be possible for Tiller and his ilk to get away with was purposefully graphic and outlandish. If ANY person, PC or PL, were to imagine these things happening, they would rightfully be ill…and outraged were nothing to be done about it by the authorities. My statement was simply meant to illustrate my frustration and view that abortionists are supremely above the law in this country, and that they would literally have to commit some horrid and unimaginable atrocity on video tape in order to experience any repurcussions for their acts. Even if that were to happen, we have seen over and over that, even in the face of video, audio records, medical evidence etc. the laws STILL are not being enforced.
So, Hal, crazy? Takes one to know one.
I don’t see any evidence that “blacks are voting for Obama because he’s black.” Obama is getting about the same percentage of black votes as Kerry did. It’s probably a bit higher, but that’s easily explained that all groups are voting for Obama at higher rates then they voted for Kerry.
There’s hatred and vitriol spewed on both sides. The dismay (for me) is that I can admit that about my own political party while still supporting my candidate. Denying that it would be impossible for something hateful or destructive to take place in your own party – that the only answer is due to a vast consipiracy – is either an example of blind endorsement, willful ignorance or blatant denial, hence my reaction to PJ’s post. It’s stupifying.
I agree Danielle. People stooping to such a level is really pathetic and disgusting. It also bothers me that the candidates don’t come out and directly condemn such ignorant behavior. I’d be ashamed such ignoramuses supported me. (If it were me) People taking such low blows and cheap shots like calling Palin a C*** or Barack a N***** make me want to vomit. Guess we really haven’t come that far.
“Denial IS powerful, indeed…”
Posted by: PJMama at October 15, 2008 4:03 PM
PJ, I’ll accept your response on the Tiller rant. I figured as much – that you were being provacative to prove a point – but the truth is many people use that kind of visualization and hypothesis to maintain their ignorance. You and I may not believe abortion providers actually ‘eat babies’ but I’ll bet you there’s someone who does.
As for being in denial on the candidates…you know, we’re just not going to agree on what consistutes radical, Marxist, leftist, Communist, etc. behavior/attitudes. I have read voraciously on my candidate, followed up on the myths/whispers and I simply don’t come to the same conclusions as you do. If the only way you can digest someone disagreeing with you is to classify them as being in denial, that’s fine. Obama literally personifies tremdenous change for our country and world for that matter, and that’s scary when you don’t like change. I get it. No struggle, no progress.
I have a good friend who’s voting for McCain (yes, I have a real life PL, Catholic, social conservative for a girlfriend! Not to say I wasn’t temporarily stunned when I found out yrs ago, but I digress). We managed to have a great dinner together discussing the election without ripping each other’s heads off, because we agree that at the end of the day, people are voting on social policy. For me, the economic and financial policy side of the equation is so black and white, it’s hard to see how you can argue (obvs, I agree with Obama those). But, from a social policy perspective, Obama/McCain are worlds apart. If you agree with McCain’s positions on those issues, you SHOULD be voting for him – I can respect that.
I will assume that your blog details a very negative experience with abortion. Because your experience was terrible (and I’m not denying that it was – I can’t speak for you), does not therefore mean that women who did NOT have a negative experience are in denial because they don’t share your pain. If you want to support women who feel as you do, please do so – just don’t dismiss that there is a full spectrum to the human experience, one that includes women who had abortions, and 2, 10, 20 years later…are honest to God ok with it.
Danielle,
You mentioned conservatives not voting for Obama because he’s black. You brought up the racism.
Danielle, if 95% of white people were voting for McCain, do you think for a minute there wouldn’t be charges of racism?
By the way, its mostly Democrats,the MSM and Obama even bringing up race. Why do you suppose that is? Maybe so they can use it as an excuse should Obama not win.
Hal,
As I mentioned to Danielle, if 95% of white people were voting for McCain, do you honestly think no one would be screaming “racism”?
I agree with Elizabeth. To his credit, McCain on Friday did tell that one crowd that Obama wasn’t a Muslim, was a “decent man” and we had nothing to fear if he’s elected.
And, to his credit, Obama defended McCain from John Lewis’ attack.
“Senator Obama does not believe that John McCain or his policy criticism is in any way comparable to George Wallace or his segregationist policies,” said Obama spokesman Bill Burton. “But John Lewis was right to condemn some of the hateful rhetoric that John McCain himself personally rebuked just last night, as well as the baseless and profoundly irresponsible charges from his own running mate that the Democratic nominee for President of the United States ‘pals around with terrorists.’
“As Barack Obama has said himself, the last thing we need from either party is the kind of angry, divisive rhetoric that tears us apart at a time of crisis when we desperately need to come together. That is the kind of campaign Senator Obama will continue to run in the weeks ahead.”
Hal,
I sure hope Barack has changed his mind about the bitter people who cling to their guns and religion and dislike those “different” from themselves. A comment he made to a group of fatcats out in San Francisco. I wonder who he had in mind, maybe working class people perhaps?
Danielle,
I also have a close girlfriend (since the 8th grade) who is as liberal as they come. We don’t agree on most things, including abortion. But, she is still not blind enough to vote for Obama, and will pull the lever for McCain. Obama to Democrats, should be considered to inexperienced for the job.
and you wrote above:
“If the only way you can digest someone disagreeing with you is to classify them as being in denial, that’s fine.”
Do I really have to remind you that you were the first to accuse me of being in denial?
BTW,
Talking of spewing venom, the maggot punks were banned from Tiller’s premises some years ago because the venom they spewed at prolifers was too much even for Tiller, for PR reasons.
Talking of racism, Tiller and his ilk have killed more black babies than the KKK did in all the years of their lynching campaigns/pogroms; and with nary a peep of objection from Obama, the maggot punks, et al. Only the prolifers have objected to this, though most of us are white.
Troy and company, I wish you every success in financial bankrupting this sorry excuse for a doctor and a human being.
Legalized abortion has never been about “reproductive rights”. That was a phrase coined to make the mass slaughter of innocent children more acceptable. It has always been about government, in collusion with the medical profession, arrogating to itself the right to kill anyone they consider “inconvenient” or “undesirable”, and that is, ultimately, most people. It has always been about reducing the population for the sake of a group of globalist, megalomaniacal Power elites who want to rule the world through a socialist, totalitarian, one world government.
One organization committed to furthering this pernicious and horrific agenda is the Council on Foreign Relations. Both Obama and McCain are allied with the CFR. A vote for either of them will ensure the brutal slaughter of millions more innocent human, rhetoric notwithstanding.
Those wanting to return America to sanity and her Constitutional foundations still have a choice: VOTE BALDWIN-CASTLE 2008. For more information on this, check out baldwin2008.com.
“You mentioned conservatives not voting for Obama because he’s black. You brought up the racism.”
Posted by: Mary at October 15, 2008 4:37 PM
Actually, no, I didn’t – PJ’s Mama did – and I responded to that post by questioning the possibility of racism being a real issue for the supporters showing up to McCain/Palin events. Then somehow we got tied up in attempting to answer questions with counter issues, while not actually answering the original question. But I’m past that now.
and you wrote above:
“If the only way you can digest someone disagreeing with you is to classify them as being in denial, that’s fine.”
Do I really have to remind you that you were the first to accuse me of being in denial?
BTW,
Posted by: PJMama at October 15, 2008 4:49 PM
Touche. I see the parallel (even thought about it before hitting ‘post’), but still agree with my assertion. You could still prove me wrong, though, if you answered the question on whether you feel it’s impossible that this could be going on in the conservative party, vs. concluding that it’s part of a larger conspiracy.
Mary, you bringing up the “clinging to religion and guns” comment again? I found nothing offensive about that commment. Who’s more “working class? Obama (worked his way up from nothing with talent and hard work) or McCain (military connections–see last month’s Rolling Stone Mag– and married very rich woman)?
Hal,
I didn’t previously bring this up. I find the statement elitist. One need not be born rich to be elitist.
Worked up from nothing? He was cared for by his mother and grandparents. He lived in Hawaii and overseas. After graduating HS he returned to LA and attended Occidental College for 2 year before he attended Columbia and Harvard.
Not exactly scraping by.
Posted by: Danielle at October 15, 2008 4:59 PM
Touche. I see the parallel (even thought about it before hitting ‘post’), but still agree with my assertion. You could still prove me wrong, though, if you answered the question on whether you feel it’s impossible that this could be going on in the conservative party, vs. concluding that it’s part of a larger conspiracy.
+++++
Racism in the Conservative Party:
Do I feel that it’s impossible that some individuals in the U.S. are racists or are capable of uttering words that may incite racism?
Of course not.
Do I feel that it’s likely that these elements would show up, be admitted to, and allowed to stay at a McCain/Palin rally?
Also – No.
Is it more likely that the comments were made by an independently acting individual than by design of a “vast Left-Wing conspiracy”.
Of course.
However, it’s also more likely that it was an independent individual than it was someone firmly entrenched and supportive of the entire RNC platform. There are rogues, as you said, on both sides.
So, let me see if I have this right…in your mind, one or two nut jobs in a crowd of thousands at a McCain/Palin rally who yell out offensive and even violent things cast a larger shadow on McCain, than do an extensive list of close friends, spiritual mentors, financial backers, employers, legal clients and colleagues of Obama’s? Associates who have a RECORD of everything from BOMBING U.S. Buildings and advocating that young people kill the rich and their parents (William Ayers), advocating the subversion from within of the U.S. Government through nefarious means and mind controlling propaganda, and sowing the seeds of class envy and warfare (Saul Alinsky), damning America and blaming America for causing and deserving the attacks of 9/11 (Rev. Jeremiah Wright), and calling white people “devils” (Malcolm X, Louis Farrakhan).
Do you seriously equate those two things?
“Right next door was a very deceptive crisis pregnancy center…”
Oh PLEEEEEEEEAAASE! Nothing is more fraudulent than using the term “choice” to reference induced abortion.
The children don’t choose this, they resist it, even in the first trimester. This was documented years ago in the film, “The Silent Scream” (http://www.silentscream.org/). The former abortionist who directed this film, (and also co-founded NARAL), has attested to the deception inherent in the phrase “freedom of choice” in connection with legalized child-killing: “I remember laughing when we made those slogans up,” recalls Nathanson, reminiscing about the early days of the abortion-rights movement in the late ’60s and early ’70s. “We were looking for some sexy, catchy slogans to capture public opinion. They were very cynical slogans then, just as all of these slogans today are very, very cynical.”
Moreover, there are too many elements of coercion, manipulation, deception, desperation, and rationalization at work in virtually all induced abortions to lend any credence to the notion that it is a freely chosen option. Frederica Matthewes-Green recognized this decades ago when she wrote, “A woman does not choose an abortion the way she chooses an ice cream cone or a Porsche. She “chooses” abortion the way an animal caught in a trap “chooses” to gnaw off it’s leg.” Even Planned Parenthood could not gainsay this, and it ended up framed on the front page of one of their newsletters as quote of the month.
Very few women get pregnant on purpose so that they can get abortions. If a woman gets pregnant intentionally, she generally does it in order to have a child, not so she can kill a child.
It is even more perverted that terms like “right”, “choice”, and “freedom” are used to reference an act that is the essence of wrong, destroys all prospect of choice for the victim, and denies those on whom it is imposed any freedom at all.
A woman who is pregnant has already exercised reproductive freedom. The “choice” is about slaughtering her unborn child. She does not, then, have a choice between motherhood and non-motherhood; she is, and will always be, the mother of the child she carries, whether she carries the baby to term, keeps the baby, places the baby for adoption if she cannot properly care for him/her, loses the baby to miscarriage, or has the baby murdered by abortion profiteers.
Abortion actually destroys reproductive freedom, since the freedom to do anything doesn’t exist without the ability to perform that activity. Many post-abortive women have found, to their bitter grief and sorrow, that when they want (e.g., would “choose”) to have a baby later on, they cannot due to damages inflicted on their reproductive systems in the murder of their previous child(ren). Emergency hysterectomies are not uncommon among post-abortive women, to keep abortion-related hemorrhaging and/or infections from killing them.
Then there are, of course, those women for whom the “choice” to kill their child proved to be the “choice” that ended all other choices… forever. Those are the hundreds (documented) killed by these so-called “safe & legal” atrocities. Perhaps had they known that they would be killed along with their children, they would still have gone through with it, but I doubt it; I very much doubt it.
The “deceptive” crisis pregnancy center doesn’t represent that they do abortions. Tiller’s little Auschwitz does, however, purport to provide “health care”; and it’s staff deliberatly deceives their quarry in not telling them that they are the disease to be eradicated, much like the Nazis represented that to their victims that they were being stripped and sent to the showers for a “refreshing, de-lousing shower”…they just did not mention that the Jews they told this lie to were themselves considered the “lice” to be eradicated in the “refresing showers.” (For the record, Tiller also has a crematorium built into his “clinic” for burning the bodies of his victims, like they did at Auschwitz. And since it is an adult-sized crematorium, there is no reason to suppose that all the bodies burned in it are those of unborn children…)
Pregnancy is not a disease; and childkilling is cold-blooded, premeditated murder, not healthcare. A woman is much more likely to hear that truth at the “deceptive” pregnancy resource center next to Tiller’s death chamber than she is once she is inside it…
Military Connections Hal? You mean serving and being tortured while IN THE MILITARY counts as not working hard? I hope you tell that to all our fellow men and women over there in Iraq, that if they ever get anywhere, it’s because of their “military connections.” *eyeroll*
Sometimes, dude, you are so condescending, and I don’t even think you realize it..
Sorry, Elizabeth. Despite my best efforts, my contempt for McCain can’t be hidden. Then, the gall of some calling Obama an “elitist” blows my mind. I’m not sure they know what the word means.
Hal,
If you have a problem with Obama being called an elitist, take it up with him.
He’s the one looking down on a group of people, stereotyping them while talking to some fatcats in San Franciso.
One definition of elitism is one who thinks he/she belongs to an elite group. I would think looking down upon a certain group of people and stereotyping them fills the bill.
Hal,
Those who are new to the club are actually the worst types of elitists.
omg. knock it off you guys. Yes, Obama is pro-choice. I get it. But, really, is an elistist a bad thing? Is it accurate? Does it matter in this year of such serious problems? By the way, he was defending people who “cling to God and guns” in that statement, not looking down on them. He said it was understandable, given the plight of rural America under Bush.
Did this story amuse you?
New McCain royalty surrogate, Her Royal Highness Lady Lynn Forester de Rothschild, calls voters “rednecks”
JTM –
“Talking of racism, Tiller and his ilk have killed more black babies than the KKK did in all the years of their lynching campaigns/pogroms; and with nary a peep of objection from Obama, the maggot punks, et al. Only the prolifers have objected to this, though most of us are white. ”
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I’ve said it before and I will say it again. You protest against abortions by black women but fail to support programs that would assist to move out of situations of poverty and into areas of education – all under the gusise of an opposing “affirmative action”.
Your ilk claims to care about the issue of abortion in the black community, but ironically it is your type that also rails against their mothers of black babies as being “welfare queens”. How do you expect someone to trust your side if your movement is constantly using double-speak to mask your contempt.
Yo la…you’ve sunk to a new low.
YOUR side is the one with the double-speak…NOT ours. Read ANY pro-choice/pro-abortion groups’ philosophy and they’re all rife with double speak. Anything to cover up and deny the truth about abortion in EVERY aspect of it…and you have the gaul to TRUST THESE GROUPS who claim to be so concerned about wimen and their choices and freedoms???
Your sides LAST concern is for women, their safety, or their health. It’s all about preserving the precious right to kill…and if something goes wrong in the process, “oh well…” and they’ll do anything to keep that right…including the refusal to be brutally honest about this sacred “procedure” of yours, the long term effects and every other ugly thing associated with “choice”.
You’ve swallowed their entire agenda hook, line and sinker.
Hal 6:38PM
Of course, its Bush’s fault and Obama was defending people by saying they cling to religion and guns and are bigots.
Who the devil is Lady Lyn Forester de Rothschild?
Mike – Neither the procedure nor the mass of tissue expelled are precious to me. What is precious is the right of a woman to control her reproductive faculties.
I’m just pointing out that, judging by the pro-choicers reactions to the protest, they were totally not convinced by the pro-life propaganda. So, just who do you think you’re going to convert?
I can’t believe people are applauding Tiller. Even “pro-choice” people. Tiller kills unborn babies/fetuses that could survive in a hospital if they weren’t killed in utero in his abortion mill. Does anyone support the right of someone to walk in to the NICU, take a premature baby and kill it? No, that is illegal by all means. So I fail to understand how what Dr. Tiller does is legal when premature babies are given full human rights.
I can understand some pro-choice logic. However I cannot understand how a viable fetus and a premature baby are any different. The truth is in most cases Tiller is killing unborn babies that are already viable. Just google his name, his practice is horrible.
Even if you agree that abortion should be legal,you’ve got a draw a line somewhere.
Hal,
I liked your first few post best, the ones where you didn’t understand what people were saying so you just said “what?”
Once you started actually gstarted expressing your opinion I lost respect for you again.
So, just who do you think you’re going to convert?
Posted by: HumanAbstract at October 15, 2008 11:29 PM
The ones the Lord touches through us. We are lowly servants of the Lord. And I say let it be done unto you according to His will.
PJ and John, do not despair. This prayer goes out for you.
St Michael the Archangel, defend us in the battle. Be our safeguard against the wickedness and snares of the Devil. May God rebuke him, we humbly pray. And may thou, O prince of the heavenly host, cast into hell Satan and the evil spirits who would roam this world seeking the destruction of souls. Amen.
Oh my Jesus, you who once said, ask anything of the Father in my name and He shall grant it to you. Behold, I ask the Father for the grace of His HOLY Spirit to come down upon PJ Mama and John. To give them the strength to perservere through lifes trials. And send your holy angels down to visit them always. To comfort them and protect them. To drive Satan and his foul legions of disorder far from them, and to guide them into your Sacred Heart. Amen
Our Father who art in heaven,
hallowed be thy name.
Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done,
on earth as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread,
and forgive us our trespasses.
As we forgive those who trespass against us.
And lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from the evil one. Amen.
For thine is the Kingdom, and the power, and the glory, now and forever. Amen
Sacred Heart of Jesus, I place my trust in thee.
Bless you, truthseeker. Through your prayers, and my own, God gives me strength to fight yet another day. I refuse to give up doing what meager things I can each day to fight the evil of abortion and to inform others of the intentions of this Obama character. Whether I, and we, succeed or fail is ultimately God’s will and part of His plan for mankind. I accept it and release myself and my worries fully to Him.
Mathew 24:6, 7
…“Ye shall hear of wars and rumors of wars:
see that ye be not troubled:
for all these things must come to pass,
but the end is not yet. For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and
there shall be famines, and pestilence, and earthquakes in diverse places”
I missed a part of my prayer to St. Michael for you PJ. Here it is again with correction in CAPS
St Michael the Archangel, defend us in the battle. Be our safeguard against the wickedness and snares of the Devil. May God rebuke him, we humbly pray. And may thou, O prince of the heavenly host, BY THE POWER OF GOD cast into hell Satan and the evil spirits who would roam this world seeking the destruction of souls. Amen.
I received this in an email update about the 40 Days for Life campaign:
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Here’s today’s devotional from Dennis DiMauro, the Lutherans for Life representative to the National Pro -Life Religious Council…
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DAY 23 INTENTION
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We pray for the strength to love those who do not love us.
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SCRIPTURE
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But the Lord said “You have had pity on the plant for which you have not labored, nor made it grow, which came up in the night and perished in the night. And should I not pity Nineveh, that great city, in which are more than one hundred and twenty thousand persons who cannot discern between their right hand and their left, and much livestock? Should I not be concerned about that great city?”
— Jonah 4:10-11
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REFLECTION by Dennis DiMauro
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God doesn’t value people and things like we do. Jonah loved a shade tree more than an entire city of sinful people. We love our dogs more than a terrorist. We love our cars more than a beggar on the side of the road. And sometimes, we love our money more than a child growing in a desperate teenager’s womb.
But God isn’t like us. Genesis 1 tells us that humans were the capstone of God’s creation. We were created on the sixth day after God had completed the land, the stars, the plants and the animals. Therefore, His love for us is greater than His love for a plant, an animal, or any other created thing.
And the book of Jonah tells us that He loves even the most sinful people and seeks to bring them into His merciful arms. And it’s a love that seeks to touch all of his created children: that desperate teenager, the baby growing in her womb, even tyrants and terrorists.
So it’s up to us to imitate God’s merciful love by helping and praying for those who persecute us, and those who don’t love us back.
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PRAYER
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Gracious God, loving our enemies seems like one of most difficult things you could ask of us. Please remind us that this is how you love and that if you ask it of us then you will give us the grace to do it. This we ask through Christ our Lord, Amen.
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Yours for Life,
David Bereit
National Campaign Director
40 Days for Life
I ask again: who are you trying to convert? By allowing god to take all the responsibility, you absolve yourself of responsibility: if it doesn’t work, it’s because of god, and if it does, it’s because god worked through you.
I ask again: who are trying to convert?
HA,
What are you talking about??
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Yo la,
I think it’s funny that you go after the Maggot Punks given some of the harsh rhetoric spewed on this website and given the nortoriously violent outbursts of Palin supporters (“Kill him!” doesn’t sound like a very Pro-Life or Christian thing to say).
Obama may have told a “fib” there. The media has interviewed many people who were there and no one who was interviewed heard anyone yell “Kill him”.
We see the ‘stra-tee-gery’ in their schedule…CO, CO, CO, CO…just prior to Nov. 4th.
Pro-aborts?
Definitely.
Dummies?
No.
Fools?
“CO” – is that Colorado?
If so, Obama is up almost 6 points there, and he’s ahead in all or almost all the “swing” states.
If you see “pro-aborts” then others see “woman-slavers” behind the “pro-life” front, and McCain has spent too much time courting the fringe, the “far-right,” and in the process he’s alienated the independents and moderates, without who he cannot win.
The http://www.maggotpunks.com website mentions Phil Kline.
If you see “pro-aborts” then others see “woman-slavers” behind the “pro-life” front, and McCain has spent too much time courting the fringe, the “far-right,” and in the process he’s alienated the independents and moderates, without who he cannot win.
Posted by: Doug at October 17, 2008 7:28 AM
Doug, the only way Obama has kept from alienating 90% of the independents is through lying about his positions and MSM covering things with a far-left bias that could lead independents to vote based on misconceptions about who Obama is.
I ask again: who are trying to convert?
Posted by: HumanAbstract at October 16, 2008 5:42 PM
HA, We are not trying to “convert” anybody. We are trying to help people to see the truth of abortion. And in the process we are doing the work of the Lord by savinge women from destroying their souls by sunbmitting to abortion and saving the children who might otherwise be destroyed by an a abortionist.
Yo La BS, unless you can find one instance where I have ever referred to any black woman as a “welfare queen” (and you can’t, because I’ve never said that), then shut up, back off, and try getting your facts straight before you shooting off the mindless, groundless, hackneyed ad hominem attacks to which you bortheads so typically, and slanderously, use to cover your lack of any evidence whatsoever that any of my claims are not true.
Cheers,
TS, that sure sounds like conversion to me, regardless of how you phrase it. Obviously, the tactic aren’t working: in this post, the individuals targeted for conversion sound rather disgusted by your “truth trucks,” or whatever you want to call them. What you’re doing isn’t working.
Ha,
What we are doing is trying to show people the truth about what abortion is. A conversion would not come until they actually come to the internal realization how wrong abortion really is. And that is the Lord’s part. And what we are doing does work for it’s intended purpose.
So your intended purpose is to disgust women and turn them away from the pro-life cause? ‘Cause that seems to be all that you’re doing.
HA,
question for you.
Which is more disgusting.
1) A woman submitting to an abortionist who aborts the baby from her womb?
or
2) A woman seeing a picture of said abortion?
Well, as all of the ‘photos’ of abortion I”ve ever seen have been photoshopped by pro-lifers more concerned about the “truth about abortion!” than the truth in the photographs…..
Neither are particularly disgusting, to be honest. Forcing a woman to do either, however, is disgusting, as is lying about either.
You didn’t answer the question. Why do you bother protesting in this manner when all it does is turn people away?
Doug, the only way Obama has kept from alienating 90% of the independents is through lying about his positions and MSM covering things with a far-left bias that could lead independents to vote based on misconceptions about who Obama is.
Well, Truthseeker, you haven’t found it yet. Your opinion is not the truth, there, and almost everybody sees it – even many people who are still going to vote for McCain but realize the wacko attacks on Obama are just that.
Bush Jr. has “poisoned the well” for Republicans, for a while, and to go “negative” in such an environment is not productive.
JTM – watch your threatening language. It is not becoming of civilized discussions. Your buddy, Reagan coined the term “welfare queen ” to demonize the poor in much the same way that you and your ilk demonize women who choose to terminate their pregnancies. I’m sorry I thought you had more historical knowlege. A simple google on the term, welfare queen reveals its origins. Please don’t take a message board so seriously; its only the internet. Jeez!