One of my Facebook friends was at the Flight 93 memorial service yesterday at Shanksville. She said the names were read. A woman’s name was read and also “an unborn child.”
The bell was rung twice.
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As it should be. Amen!
Amen! I wonder how many other unborn babies were killed that day… they count, too.
I know of at least one woman who had very recently learned she was pregnant – like, the morning of the attack, or the day before. She likely died immediately as her office was in the direct path of the plane that hit the building. Her husband spoke to her on the phone shortly after she got to work that morning and she was happy and excited. It is the way I imagine, against reason, all of them dying – happy, painlessly, unafraid.
Jen, yes, they do:
“there were an unknown number of unborn lives taken on Sept. 11. These littlest victims, rarely mentioned, died in the wombs of mothers fatally trapped in smoke-filled staircases and crumbling offices at the World Trade Center. Patricia A. Massari, 25, had just learned she was pregnant on the morning of the attack. She dialed her husband at 8:40 am from the 98th floor of Tower One to share the results of a pregnancy test. Massari was on the phone when the plane hit. Helen Crossin-Kittle, 34, was a Cantor Fitzgerald employee on the 103rd floor of Tower One. She was five months pregnant. Jennifer Dorsey-Howley, 34, worked at AON insurance. She was six months pregnant and was reportedly walking up a staircase in Tower Two when the plane hit. Deanna Galante, 32, worked on the 106th floor of Tower One. She was eight months pregnant with her first child. “We bought baby clothes and diapers,” her husband said. “We had ordered Disney books. One came in the mail after this happened.” Krystine Bordenabe, 33, worked on the 69th floor of Tower Two. She was eight months pregnant and planned to be a stay-at-home mom. On her baby’s ultrasound photos, she wrote: ‘The baby’s OK, everything’s great!’ “
from Michelle Malkin’s Dec 2001 post: http://townhall.com/columnists/michellemalkin/2001/12/21/angels_on_loan_from_god
Here is a study done on the effects of PTSD on children whose mothers were pregnant at the time they were directly affected by the attacks of 9/11.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/neurophilosophy/2011/sep/09/pregnant-911-survivors-transmitted-trauma
To those that are proabortion
Do they count? Do these babies that were alive and growing and human in their mother’s wombs count?
They were wanted. So they must count. Right??
Thank you Klynn and Alexandra for the links!!
Alexandra, I remember a doctor commenting (about the pain felt by those killed in the planes and towers) that pain travels slower along nerve receptors than the speed of the planes so that they very likely felt NOTHING. By time the signal “pain!” would have reached the brain and registered their bodies and their brains were already completely destroyed. Its gruesome but yet comforting to think that they likely felt no pain.
I have never forgotten the stories of the pregnant women I heard. One woman was a secretary and it was her LAST day before maternity leave. And she didn’t make it out. :-(
Thank you for that, klynn73. Of all the heart-wrenchng stories we’ve been inundated with on this 10th anniversery, that may have been the most important one I’ve read b/c I never came across that info anywhere else. And yes, Carla, you got it right. If the mom wants “it,” it’s a “baby.” If they don’t want “it,” it’s a “clump of cells.” Man, I love science!
Agreed, Martha! That cognitive dissonance shall be the proaborts undoing.
Just heard about the young man who was born 3 weeks after his Daddy died on 9/11. He read a letter he wrote to his Dad at the WTC memorial service.
He counts.
Even though the proaborts would have totally supported the mother’s “right to choose” if she felt emotionally not ready to have him after her husband died.
The wife of one of the men I know who died was nearly 8 months pregnant at the time. Their daughter is now nine; at the memorial yesterday she did a charcoal rubbing of the name of the father she never met but will always love.
They were a family of three. One died. Now they are two. Logically, how could they be two if they weren’t ever three? Barring scientific intervention, how can a child only come into existence after the death of a parent?
At the 9/11 memorial in NYC, there are many woman who have “and her unborn child” after their names. These names are also available online.
Here is one example, you can see more if you click around:
http://names.911memorial.org/#lang=en_US&page=person&id=4450
A very touching way to honor the lives of the mothers and their children.
How tasteless. Politicizing a memorial service by injecting a loaded phrase like “unborn child” only trivializes the lives of the victims being remembered. The person or persons responsible should be ashamed of themselves for being unable to set aside their political agenda for one day.
Politicizing a memorial service by injecting a loaded phrase like “unborn child” only trivializes the lives of the victims being remembered.
The children in those women’s wombs were alive. Remembering the dead preborn in no way trivializes the lives of anyone else. If anything, it reminds us that all life is precious. Even the smallest ones only seen in the ultrasound pictures treasured by their mothers.
Thank you for linking to that, Adair. Seeing it, even online, makes me really appreciate the work that went into the layout of the names, with adjacencies etc. The visual impact of looking at, say, Marsh & McClennan’s employees all there together – just stunning.
http://names.911memorial.org/#lang=en_US&page=affiliation_detail&id=26
@Joan – Would you be happy if they would have said “product of conception” or “mass of cells” instead of “and unborn child?” Would the families be happy if the words and “unborn child” were omitted?
On the other hand, it’s hard for me to read anything by Michelle Malkin because she comes across as a very nasty person and some Filipinos consider her a “coconut” (brown on the outside, white on the inside).
Joan,
Those unborn were loved, wanted, and missed as much as their mothers, by the grieving husbands, fathers, and families. This isn’t trivializing or politicalizing, this is recognizing and respecting all the losses and grievances those families share.
Adair,
THANK YOU for the link.
Joan,
You should be ashamed of yourself.
The families were there at the memorial service for their loved ones. Yes. Loved ones. Born and preborn.
It was THE FAMILIES who wanted to have an unborn child memorialized. They wanted that written in stone. Their “choice” right Joanie?
Thankfully you do not get to dictate for the rest of us how we get to grieve. How we get to honor those we loved and lost.
Joan, only you could claim that remembering the babies in the womb trivializes the deaths of all the other who died. You have no tolerance for anyone who recognizes the humanity of their unborn child. So much for choice. So much for tolerance. You should be ashamed of yourself for spitting on the memory of the children those families lost and grieve for.
The right to life cannot be based on whether someone wants the child or not. It either is, or it isn’t. The unborn child either has a right to life or not – it cannot be dependant on whether someone wants the child. And this issue shows the schizophrenia our society has allowed. The silliness over term has only accentuated the dysfunction. When is the fetus, who is never going to develop into anything but a child, a child? When it is a unique individual upon conception, or at some arbitrary date someone has decided is viability. That target keeps moving and astonishing people as children who shouldn’t have survived, do – sometimes even children someone tried to abort. And, I’m sorry to inflame folks, but even rape does not deny the child the right to exist. And anyone who has suffered rape will tell you, aborting does not wipe away anything. Perhaps it would be better to support these women through their term and encourage them to make the healthiest decision for the future parenting of their child. Anyone who suffers through any trauma should know that abortion solves nothing. The incident still happened and one still has to learn to deal with the consequences, as with any other trauma. I’m sure the whole of our society would like to abort the tragic events of 9/11. Yet, we cannot. We can only learn how to survive and find goodness in the world, from our neighbors, friends, family, and others who extend their hand to us in God’s love.
How tasteless. Politicizing a memorial service by injecting a loaded phrase like “unborn child” only trivializes the lives of the victims being remembered. The person or persons responsible should be ashamed of themselves for being unable to set aside their political agenda for one day.
Joan, I would LOVE to watch you say that to those grieving families to their face.
Keep it up. You are doing a fine job of showing the world just how cold-hearted, sick and perverted “pro-choicers” really are — so we don’t have to.
I am currently 34 weeks pregnant and I can assure you if I was murdered today that my husband and my family would grieve the loss of the child in my womb the same as if had been one of the children that is playing at my feet.
With that said, it was documented that several dozen pregnant women lost their husbands in Sept. 11th. They were studied to see whether they had a higher rate of pregnancy loss or complications. It stands to reason that if there were several dozen wives who were pregnant of men who died in the towers, there were probably several dozen women who were pregnant and had unborn children die with them in the collapse.
Just saw a video about a man whose wife was pregnant (not sure how far along) on flight 93. He was on video lamenting his wife AND his unborn child. He even stressed THAT HE LOST HIS CHILD though unborn. Would you care to reprimand him Joan? You are a piece of work, thats for sure.
In memory of his wife he opened a delivery suite at a hospital and looked proudly at the pics of all the sweet babies born there and said they were like his own children and that it was a fitting tribute to his unborn child and his wife who loved babies.
Wow, 481 “Likes” so far – is this a record? LL :)
Oh and Carey, along the same lines, I am only 12 weeks pregnant but if someone killed me or I died my family would also grieve my unborn child. Already my son loves his new little brother or sister and my husband loves this baby too. Don’t even get me started on the two sets of grandparents. Already they are over the moon in-love with this child. To lose me AND this baby would devastate them.
Carey and Sydney,
Be careful. You are using the “loaded phrase” unborn child.
LOL
How tasteless. Politicizing a memorial service by injecting a loaded phrase like “unborn child” only trivializes the lives of the victims being remembered. The person or persons responsible should be ashamed of themselves for being unable to set aside their political agenda for one day.
Oh… poor Joan.
Honoring the innocent dead. We are honoring the dead mothers and their children today. We do this every day.
Meanwhile — saving lives transcends everyone’s “political agenda.” It’s not like we’re talking about some lousy “new jobs program” or “balanced budget amendment.”
After the Laws of the Land restore protections to the innocent and most vulnerable, we will still be here working to help women in need and their children.
“It was THE FAMILIES who wanted to have an unborn child memorialized. They wanted that written in stone. Their “choice” right Joanie?”
Should the names of any animals that died on 9/11 be included in those memorials too? Some people consider animals to be “persons” in some sense. If you’re going to include “unborn children” because some of the families of the victims want that (even though many more might consider it to be a provocative political gesture that has no place in what should be a neutral event), then you’d be fine with some other family or families, perhaps those with a tendency towards left-wing animal rights causes, successfully petitioning to have “Whiskers” or “Snowball” read during a September 11th memorial service, right?
joan,
“Tasteless” is an excellent word to describe your comment. Are you trying to make a complete fool out of yourself? If so, you have succeeded magnificently.
Actually, joan, I would like to thank you for this comment. It beautifully illustrates how uncaring and callous many members of the pro-abortion side are. I am overwhelmed by the compassion here, seriously.
Anyway, I’m glad to see these unborn children (*gasp* I used a loaded phrase!!) being remembered. That’s how it should be.
Um, Joan?
We are not talking about dogs or cats though are we??
We are talking about the innocent human beings that died on 9/11. Born and preborn.
Focus.
And yes Joan please keep it up!!
joan, YOU are the one who is politicizing things. The fact that you are incapable of seeing memorials to “unborn children” as anything but a political statement speaks mountains about you and your lack of humanity.
And if people wanted to memorialize their pets, I’d have no objection, provided there was room on the monument. And I think most who did it would do it because their pets were important to them, not as political statements. You just don’t get it, do you?
Joan:
Only one animal, a dog named Sirius died in the attacks. It would be perfectly fine with me if they engraved “Sirius the dog” on the memorial, and it is hard to image anyone would be upset if he was.
What were they supposed to tell the families? “Sorry, we cannot commemorate your unborn family members who were murdered by terrorists, because some people want to kill their own unborn family members”??? I suppose it makes no difference that the mothers who died would (presumably) want their children listed next to them. Sure, they might have had to jump out of a skyscraper with their child, but let’s stand up for the real victims in this tragedy…whiny, bratty pro-choicers who do not want even the slightest hint of humanizing the pre-born.
See what you started, Carla???
I see. :)
My political agenda.
http://outcrywisconsin.blogspot.com/2009/11/memorial.html
If you’re going to include “unborn children” because some of the families of the victims want that (even though many more might consider it to be a provocative political gesture that has no place in what should be a neutral event)…
Okay, wow. Talk about intellectual dishonesty. In order to bolster your comparison of unborn children to animals (is that you, Peter Singer?), you have equated the hypothetical wishes of families you don’t even know exist to the actual, verifiable, documented wishes of real families who really lost people. What was that word you like? Trivializing? Yeah…about that…
And could someone–someone who is not joan–explain to me how acknowledging the deaths of an unborn children trivializes the death of a born person? I’ve never heard a solid defense of why recognizing the horror and tragedy of the one diminishes the horror and tragedy of the other.
A pregnant woman died in the World Trade Center bombing in 1993, so of course that makes seven fatalities,but the mainstream media has been been saying six ever since it happened.
Speaking of the “personhood” of the fetus, score one for our side:
“The 1st District Appellate Court has rejected a woman’s lawsuit against a clinic over an abortion that she regretted.
The ruling appears to be the first of its kind in Illinois.
The 16-page appellate opinion denies the woman’s argument that she is entitled to damages against the abortion clinic. She alleged that the clinic staff had a duty to tell her that she was terminating a human being as a matter of biological fact…Mary K. Rochford, a former circuit judge who is now on the appellate bench, dismissed Doe’s suit with prejudice. Rochford ruled that Planned Parenthood owed no duty to Doe to tell her that an abortion terminates a human being’s life in the biological sense as a matter of law…”We echo the observation of the New Jersey Supreme Court,” Garcia wrote. “No court, regardless of where it sits, has found a common law duty requiring doctors to tell their pregnant patients that aborting an embryo, or fetus, is the killing of an existing human being.”…”It was clear that she knew and signed a consent form that ‘I know I’m here for an abortion.’ She knew there was going to be a termination of pregnancy and that she would not have a child,” Gilbert said…”
“A pregnant woman died in the World Trade Center bombing in 1993, so of course that makes seven fatalities,but the mainstream media has been been saying six ever since it happened.”
That’s because the fetus is not considered a person which is why the state does not issue a death certificate when a woman has a miscarriage.
joan says:
How tasteless. Politicizing a memorial service by injecting a loaded phrase like “unborn child” only trivializes the lives of the victims being remembered.
Newsflash: The unborn that died in the terrorist attacks of 9/11 are among the victims being remembered. Duh. Nothing political about it. Tragic loss of life = sadness.
And wow. I thought your first comment was bad…and then I read your second.
Way to trivialize the families’ grief. How tasteless.
CC says:
Speaking of the “personhood” of the fetus,
Who was speaking of “personhood”?
“That’s because the fetus is not considered a person which is why the state does not issue a death certificate when a woman has a miscarriage.”
The government is the source of all truth?
A few other problems. Number one, don’t doctors usually issue a death certificate? Do any government bureaucrats have the authority to confirm death? Number two, women can get death certificates for miscarriages. http://www.odh.ohio.gov/vitalstatistics/fetaldth.aspx
Number three, you are avoiding the issue.
I’ve seen several posts that note that the unborn children who died on 9/11 should be remembered and mourned because they were wanted. My reaction: They need to be remembered and mourned whether or not they were wanted. The point I’m making is that no human being’s value hinges on whether or not they are wanted or cared for–otherwise it would be reasonable and right that girl babies are victims of infanticide at alarming rates in some countries whose culture prizes sons over daughters. It would also be reasonable to simply eliminate foster children for whom no homes can be found (like animals in animal shelters–nod to Joan), which would disproportionately affect the kids who have lower adoption rates (minorities and the disabled, for instance). The slippery slope takes us even further along the line to then thinking it rational to end the lives of elderly folk in nursing homes whose families no longer visit (does anyone want them or care for them?).
It’s not about being wanted… it’s about BEING (human being).
Congrats Sydney, have you had a “blob shower” yet?
Carey, do you know if that product of conception is a potential boy or a potential girl?
Just wondering.
qbananita,
I agree.
All of those that have commented on this thread are prolife except Joan and CC.
I was being facetious about “wantedness.” I like to throw out their conditions for being human once in awhile.
phillymiss,
A blob shower!! What a wonderful idea!! :)
Miscarriage? She was 7 months pregnant!
“score one for our side:”
Yep, that’s the true face of abortion advocacy: every death of a child is a ‘score’ for their side and defeating a mother who regrets killing her child is considered a victory. This is why escorts dance up and down when a mother enters one of their abortuaries. They do NOT “support a woman in whatever choice she makes.”
Every human child is alive and deserves to live out their natural lives without deadly interference. Every human child begins his or her existence at conception. I became myself at conception. I do not require a subjective ruling from an outside party to determine the fact of whether or not I am alive. I do not require a subjective opinion from another party to determine what or who I am.
When people make the subjective and emotional decision to end a child’s life, they may rationalize to themselves but it doesn’t change the facts:
There is no such thing as an object called a fertilized egg. An egg, after being fertilized, no longer exists: the new entity is called a zygote. That is when new human life begins.
Emotional or political acrobatics do not change this one scientific fact.
Though I support people who promote personhood because I know they mean well, let’s face it: even discussing personhood is playing into the deranged fantasies of unscientific people who wish to destroy the smallest and most vulnerable human beings on the planet.
I’m guessing there were pregnant women who lost their boyfriends or fiances’, too. I’ve heard nothing about them. Whatever one thinks about out-of-wedlock births, I imagine many of them went through the same emotions as the married women.
Soooo, if some homeless man that had no family, no friends… really, nobody “wanted” climbed in a stairwell at the WTC to sleep and happened to perish in the inferno and collapse of the towers, he should NOT be remembered as a victim or innocent life lost because he was not “wanted”?
Its nice to know that only reason I’m a person is because my family loves me. Joan and CC just continue to show the callousness of the pro-abortion side. So keep talking girls! You’re doing yourselves no favors.
Phillymiss, I don’t know if I get a shower again for my second blob of tissue? What is the protocol here? But it doesn’t matter because I am already very excited for my fetus! I can’t wait to hold the products of conception in my arms come March. Already I am very attached to my potential human child. I am getting a little bump now and I like to stroke it and talk to my clump of cells. ;-)
Lori Pieper (responding to Joan): “And if people wanted to memorialize their pets, I’d have no objection, provided there was room on the monument. And I think most who did it would do it because their pets were important to them, not as political statements.”
Nailed it.
Sydney M.: “Soooo, if some homeless man that had no family, no friends… really, nobody ‘wanted’ climbed in a stairwell at the WTC to sleep and happened to perish in the inferno and collapse of the towers, he should NOT be remembered as a victim or innocent life lost because he was not ‘wanted’?”
Furthermore, if his remains were never found (and therefore no death certificate were issued for him), does that mean he wasn’t a human being?
From Lifesitenews
http://www.lifesitenews.com/blog/video-unborn-child-remembered-as-victim-at-9-11-memorial
Man you guys just love to spin the news… This is a memorial for a baby that was never born, not the fetus that died on 9/11. This is a loved one wishing they would have had the chance to meet this baby after it was born. This is a father morning the loss of both his wife and baby on the way.
Please stop spinning politics onto this tragedy and memorial… You do all the victims a great injustice.
Baby never born.(because she died) Fetus that died.
Same thing.
Please do explain how we do a grave injustice by acknowledging the death of a child, the reading of the mother’s name and “an unborn child” at a memorial service, ringing the bell to honor both of their lives and writing in stone the mother’s name and her unborn child.
Yes Biggz, a “baby that was never born” because he or she died in her mother’s womb on 9/11. You got it.
“This is a memorial for a baby that was never born, not the fetus that died on 9/11.”
Ouch. My poor brain hurts just from watching Biggz’ mental gymnastics.
Personally I think its beautiful that the unborn children of the 9/11 attacks were also remembered. Although they never took a breath, they had a heart beat, they moved in their mothers womb, therefore they should be recognized as human lives lost on that dreadful morning.
I find some of these comments so insulting to the families of those women who lost their lives. These families were anxiously awaiting the arrival of their “unborn child”
I simply dont understand what politics has to do with the remembrance of these people.
Im appalled , people forget “its the little things in life that matter”
NYCgirl88,
Agreed!!
Isn’t it amazing that those that are proabortion have no problem insulting others who love and honor ALL of their family members??
Cognitive dissonance
No Carla, you are not ringing any bells or trying to respect the lives lost on 9/11…
What you are doing is taking the memorial service someone else has done and tried to turn it political by only posting about the fetus that died… There is nothing else in this story about anyone else who was memorialized at this event just the fetus because you see it as a political gain, or support for your political movement.
It is disgraceful to use the victims of 9/11 in such a way. It is disgraceful to use this fetus to make your political point.
Play dumb and innocent all you want but this was a politically motivated post and you know it… otherwise why only talk about the fetus…
That you REFUSE to acknowledge the children of 9/11 that were in their mother’s wombs tells more about you. I find your posts sickening. Your posts shame themselves. Disgraceful!! Play dumb Biggz. Is your refusal to talk about the babies politically motivated by your proabortion stance? Hmmmmm.
On 9/11 I watched every documentary that was on. I observed the moments of silence along with everyone that was there at the memorial service with tears running down my face. Ask my husband how I took time to read as many stories as I could about all of those that have lost their lives. I have commented on how many threads about 9/11 that Laura Loo posted?
Think whatever you would like about me, Biggz. Those that know me, know the truth.
It is disgraceful to use the victims of 9/11 in such a way. It is disgraceful to use this fetus to make your political point.
Wait a second! Carla, did you go to Shanksville and force your way in and read the names and add in “unborn child” and ring the bell twice?!?
Or did the family of that “fetus” and the mother who carried him/her request that this be done?
Wow, it must really p*ss you off when anyone acknowledges the humanity of their own wanted child who died in a miscarriage or in an accident….
All Carla did was share the information.
Hey Kel,
I was just going to add that! :)
I actually didn’t go to Shanksville. I read it on facebook and then looked up the footage for myself. :)
Biggz must be so upset with THE FAMILIES of 9/11 that had the audacity to honor those born and preborn.
Did you shake your fist at the tv, Biggz? How dare they mention an unborn child and ring the bell and write it in stone!!! How dare they be so politically motivated about their own families!!
1037 “Likes” – WoWiE ZoWiE! :D
This storyline really struck a chord with those who love life. Such a simple gesture (ringing a bell) to acknowledge the precious loss of life of that preborn.
Thanks to Carla and Carder for featuring this.
LL <3
P.S. Ring that bell!
the woman they were talking about was lauren grandcolas and she on same plane as my cousin . her husband has started a wonderful program out in the san fran area to honor their unborn baby..
i know she isnt the only one, as i read these posts they made me cry i havent stopped crying in a week..
my condolences to the families and friends who also lost a family member including any unborn babies. may they rip
Thank you, debbie.
I am sorry for your loss.
I just visited the Flight 93 911 Memorial in PA and saw the marble slab engraved with the woman’s name and beside her name read “and unborn child”. I was taken aback briefly because I am adamantly pro-choice, but the engraving was actually done artfully – the mother’s name was engraved in larger font and the letters painted black. The words “and unborn child” beside her name were in smaller font and not painted at all, only engraved. One had to look closely to see those words….which made me happier. It is NOT a “child” until it exits the womb.
“It is NOT a “child” until it exits the womb.”
Actually it is, whether you acknowledge it or not.