Understanding Obama: His liberal use of straw men
By Helene Cooper, New York Times, May 23:
… Now that there is a new team at the White House, guess who is knocking down straw men left and right? To listen to President Obama, a veritable army of naysayers has invaded Washington, urging him to sit on his hands… and do nothing to address any of the economic or national security problems facing the country….
“Here’s the trick: Take your opponent’s argument to a ridiculous extreme, and then attack the extremists,” said William Safire, the former presidential speechwriter who writes the “On Language” column for The New York Times Magazine. “That leaves the opponent to sputter defensively, ‘But I never said that.’ ”
The telltale indicators that a straw man trick is on the way are the introductory words “there are those who say” or “some say.”
“In strawmanese, you never specify who ‘those who’ are,” Mr. Safire said. “They are the hollow scarecrows you set up to knock down.”…
On his maiden overseas trip, he shot down one after another in quick succession…. “Some people say that maybe I’m being too idealistic,” he said. “I made a speech in Prague about reducing and ultimately eliminating nuclear weapons, and some people said, ah, that will never happen. And some people have said, why are you discussing the Middle East when it’s not going to be possible for the Israelis and the Palestinians to come together? Or why are you reaching out to the Iranians, because the US and Iran can never agree on anything?”…
Jason DeSanto, a Democratic speechwriter… said Mr. Obama’s rhetorical device reflected his search for common ground among foes. “Some might say he pushes the various poles of the argument too far to the left and the right to find a middle ground,” Mr. DeSanto said. “It does project his own world view, but it can make him appear more reasonable.”
Exactly. We heard Doug Kmiec banty “common ground” often yesterday, either duped by Obama’s rhetoric or in on the jig. Obama may wax eloquently about this search, but his actions are always that of a far left liberal.
[HT: Karl Rove]
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
Why would anyone expect Obama, a man without scruples or integrity, to act in any other way?
I really do hope that he eliminates nuclear weapons. It is possible to live in a world without them, and therefore it is possible to remove them from the face of it.
And I think that there is a difference between finding common ground and compromising. We can certainly always work together to reduce abortions, unplanned pregnancies, STDs, and definitely poverty, but we must never compromise and give in and surrender the rights of the child.
That would be appeasement and, with all of the problems that children face today from abortion to child labor violations to abuse, compromise just isn’t what they need…
Straw-Men? C’mon the entire movement of the anti-choicers is built on straw-men. Actually straw fetuses, but who’s counting.
Oh yes, the mark of a sociopath. The incredible ability to manipulate people. To always look like the good guy or the victim and have people fall all over themselves to “explain” and “understand” him.
“Straw-Men? C’mon the entire movement of the anti-choicers is built on straw-men. Actually straw fetuses, but who’s counting.”
No, the pro-life movement is based on science. Remember when you refused to consider all the scientific quotes about the fetus being alive?
Your movement is built on semantics, as is made CLEAR every single time someone wants to argue about the term “pro-abortion.”
Plenty of pro abortion folk use the term “pro abortion”
I found the following post on a quantitative analysis blog.
“A better variable to use would be to use TAXSPEND, instead of TAX, which asks whether the respondent prefers to cut taxes or spend more on social programs like healthcare because the respondent can only answer yes or no.
The percentage of respondents who scored an 8-10 on WORDSUM and who are pro abortion AND who support cutting taxes over spending is 30.6%.
The percentage of respondents who scored an 8-10 on WORDSUM and who are pro abortion but prefer spending on social programs is 26.9%.
But there were numerically more high spenders (80) than there were tax cutters (72) who scored 8-10 on WORDSUM.”
Excellent article by Cooper! No wonder Obama’s words always sound so vague to me.
Jasper’s QuoTD,
You ain’t seen nothing yet.
Doesn’t Obama sound Presidential when he says “ain’t”?
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What does Obama mean by this exactly??
Obama was introduced by Dreamworks CEO and longtime Democratic donor Jeffrey Katzenberg. The president thanked Katzenberg, saying: “If it weren’t for you, we would not be in the White House”.
http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/obama-in-l.a.-confident-but-not-yet-content-2009-05-27.html
Obama often uses the collectivist ‘we’
Straw-Men? C’mon the entire movement of the anti-choicers is built on straw-men. Actually straw fetuses, but who’s counting.
Posted by: Yo La Tengo at May 29, 2009 9:11 AM
Pro deathers call the unborn baby a parasite.
“pro choice” is a strawman and we all know that the baby has no chice and the outcome is death.
“anti-choicers” is another strawman. We chose LIFE!!!
Abortion chose death.
No wonder Obama’s words always sound so vague to me.
Posted by: Janet at May 29, 2009 10:56 AM
Probably because you are used to people trying to make cogent arguments. Obama uses the “I think therefore it’s true” argumentation style. Magical thinking appeals to people who want to believe something. Logical thinking appeals to those who want to understand. Obama fans fall into the former category. Smart people who support Obama do so because they personally have something to gain, like GE. Dumb people who support Obama also want to gain, ie, gov’t check. It is vote buying all the way. Obama is paying his friends with our money.
“Straw-Men? C’mon the entire movement of the anti-choicers is built on straw-men. Actually straw fetuses, but who’s counting.
Posted by: Yo La Tengo at May 29, 2009 9:11 AM”
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So you were once a straw fetus?
So you were once a straw fetus?
Posted by: HisMan at May 29, 2009 11:29 AM
Good one. No genetic change. Straw fetus becomes straw man.
Another strawman is “pro lifers just don’t care about womens health”
By the way, If Obama spent 7 hours with Sontomayor, I suspect he drilled her 57 ways to veryify beyound a shadow of a doubt she would not pose a threat to abortion in any way.
Nope – I was a real fetus. A straw fetus is a fetus you fight for but give up on when its actually alive.
YLT you’re full of crap. Actually, maybe you’re really a pro-lifer trying to make the most idiotic strawman argument possible to make the pro-abortion side look bad. If that’s true, you’re doing a great job!
First of all the fetus is alive from the moment of conception. We’re certainly not giving up on it.
Secondly, conservatives in generall are far more generous than liberals. Liberals are only “generous” with other people’s money.
Conservatives actually think through the implications of their actions, while liberals just think that throwing a bunch of money or condoms at an issue will fix it.
The pro-life movement works tirelessly for better programs for pregnant and parenting teenagers, and for better lives for children.
but give up on when its actually alive.
Posted by: Yo La Tengo at May 29, 2009 11:55 AM
Straw man alert!
hippie, lol! YLT, Fetus is Latin for “little one”…okay. Little one what? I remember telling the gals at work about my first pregnancy. They said, “Oh we are going to throw you a big baby shower!!!” Nobody said fetus shower or embryo shower. Nobody.
Funny. The girls at work were already saying “baby” and I was only about 8 weeks pregnant. And nobody asked me if I planned to have an abortion either.
…and that was before I became PL!!
That’s an excellent point, Heather. Children are only considered wanted when people such as Yo La Tengo say that they are children: if they are unwanted by their birth parents, then according to Yo La Tengo, she has the right to dehumanize them (I’m assuming that she’s a she).
Heaven forbid, though, that we can get some equality without the permission of bigots every now and then…
I can’t wait for that day when we do get equality under the eyes of the law, though. It will be amazing. Sigh.
I’m a bit off topic here but did anyone hear Craig T. Nelson on Glenn Beck yesterday?
Abortion wasn’t mentioned but he’s very angry about the bailouts and taxes. And he said he always watches Fox news.
How refreshing to know there are at least a few people in Hollywood who aren’t raving liberals!
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/brad-wilmouth/2009/05/29/actor-craig-t-nelson-decries-govt-bailouts-wasteful-spending
Oh, come on Heather. All of us have been pregnant with fish and you know it!! :P
glenn beck goes to church joanne and he said on program he don’t like abortion and the tax payers money going to Acorn and not knowing what they are spending it on. The tax payers paying for abortion all over the world.
Alice,
Yes I know Glenn is pro life. So is Bill OReilly and Sean Hannity. Not sure about Greta Van Susteren but she was more than fair to Sarah Palin if that is any indication.
I only mentioned the interview with Nelson as he’s an actor and 99% of them are far left liberals. I wonder if this will hurt his career, speaking out against taxes and bailouts and government waste.
Nope – I was a real fetus. A straw fetus is a fetus you fight for but give up on when its actually alive.
Posted by: Yo La Tengo at May 29, 2009 11:55 AM
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Huh?
I have 5 kids….didn’t abandon them like certain people I know on this site.
I serve on numerous ministries that serve various inner city kids…….didin’t give up on them fetuses.
I am the head coach of a football team that consists of mostly inner city kids…haven’t given up on them fetuses.
I travel to Mexico and build houses for the less fortunate….haven’t given up on them fetuses either.
I give quite a bit of my income to my church which rescues people just our of prison, drug addicts, prostitiutes…..nope, didn’t give up on them there fetuses.
Oh, I get it, because I am pro-life and don’t support the older fetus that wants to murder her younger fetus I’ve given up on the older fetus. OK, I guess I have given up on the older fetuses. Wow, what brilliance! You got me. OK, I now support the murder of unborn children in the womb.
You’re so twisted. And what a funny (guy), right?
xppc:
Yes, Obama certianly would not want to have been construed as making the same mistakes on Oscarmeyer as he did on BAIPA. Hilarious analogy!!!
That is good, HisMan. It’s great to see people involved in improving the world, be it pro-life activism or football coaching.
I don’t accomplish nearly that much but I try to do what I can: mostly I try to spread the word on Darfur through a lot of email letters and a presentation in class, recycle, and I hope to volunteer for Childhaven and do a workshop or something about the anti-pygmy policies in the Congo soon, too.
Carla helps women in need, and…is it Elisabeth who is a nurse? Joanne said earlier on this thread that she donates to pro-life causes, and many here work at a crisis pregnancy center. Sorry, I’m not always great with names, but the point is, we all can give back to the world. :).
Mary: In addition to “sociopath” you may want to add “narcissist”.
During the campaign BHO was taken to the woodshed by the NRTL’s expose of his untruthful rendition of his take on the Illinois Born Alive legislation. His response: he called them liars. And when shown that it was not the NRTL that were the liars, but that it was him, he offered no apologies. He should have been man enough to own up to the truth, but it is not in his makeup to do so.
We also now know his dishonesty about eliminating earmarks and putting legislation on the Internet for three days prior to signing it.
His power grab and reaching into private enterprise to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars, engineering management shakeups at GM and the incredibly illadvised shotgun marriage of Fiat and Chrysler is beyond the pale. And he told an adoring crowd the other night: you have not seen anything yet!
Vannah,
There are so many of us that do more than comment on a prolife blog!! Prochoicers would like to paint us as “uncaring” about women and women’s reproductive rights.(abortion)The truth is many of us help women, children and families. WE CARE! :)
Hi Jerry 4:49PM
Interesting you should say that. Actually very little seperates a narcissist from a sociopath, the traits are very interchangable. Its sort of “I say tamato, you say tomato” when it comes to determining the disorder. Borderline, histrionic, narcissistic, and sociopathic are in the same “cluster” of personality disorders, all with interchangable traits. A person with one of these disorders likely has another disorder in the “cluster” or will have traits from each disorder.
These people offer no apologies. No surprise since they are remorseless as well as void of conscience. If anything, they will portray themselves as the “true” victims.
Lying is their hallmark. Also an incredible ability to manipulate people as we certainly see with Obama.
Remember what a master Bill Clinton was at portraying himself as the victim in the Lewinsky scandal and how people danced to his tune? Classic sociopathy.
There are so many of us that do more than comment on a prolife blog!! Prochoicers would like to paint us as “uncaring” about women and women’s reproductive rights.(abortion)The truth is many of us help women, children and families. WE CARE! :)
Posted by: Carla at May 29, 2009 4:58 PM
Yes, I agree. Many volunteer or donate to pregnancy centers, many go and pray at abortion mills, lots of pro life people help in any way they can.
On a different note, I don’t watch Oprah as a rule but I happened to come across it channel surfing and the topic is “women who leave their husbands for other women.”
Totally promoting and giving credibility to lesbian relationships.
No matter what the world says its still wrong!
Do not worship in the Church of Oprah. I had to turn her off years ago.
Yes I can see why Carla.
Oprah has stated many times that she is not up to the task of motherhood, that it’s the hardest job she can imagine. I wonder how many women decided not to have children because of her attitude.
Oprah, another false prophet, like Obama, like Kmiec and like all the others who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, so-called Catholics or Protestants, it doesn’t matter.
Their money and power won’t save them.
Their foolishness is monumental; trading the temporal for the eternal.
Did you guys read about the meeting of the “rich ones” and they have decided to throw their money at Population Control?!
I’m a bit off topic here but did anyone hear Craig T. Nelson on Glenn Beck yesterday?
Abortion wasn’t mentioned but he’s very angry about the bailouts and taxes. And he said he always watches Fox news.
How refreshing to know there are at least a few people in Hollywood who aren’t raving liberals!
Posted by: Joanne at May 29, 2009 1:58 PM—————————————————————– Joanne, YES! We do have more than a few. The unfortunate part about it is that the ones who “come out” are at risk for committing career suicide:[
“Yo La Tengo”: “Nope – I was a real fetus. A straw fetus is a fetus you fight for but give up on when its actually alive.”
Please demonstrate the post in which someone advocated the legalization of killing newborns (who are no less or more alive than fetuses), and you might have a case. I’ll go put the water on for more cocoa while I wait…
Signed,
Cat Power
Carla:
Yes, their secret meetings. And they are all Libs: Gates, Soros, Winfrey just to name a few.
I understand they want to cap world population at 8.3 billion by 2012? These arrogants will determine who will live and who will die and abortion is a big, big part of the plan.
Money does give one the sense that they are a god. They will soon enough find out that their money is worthless currency on the other side and the only thing they will have to barter with is their worthless, unregenerated souls unless they repent.
“What good will it be for a man if he gains the whole world, yet forfeits his soul? Or what can a man give in exchange for his soul?- Jesus Christ
“The love of money is the root of all evil” – St. Timothy
Oprah, UUUUUGH! I turned off that hot bag of wind liberal years ago!
Ted Nugent is also a conservative!
Hollywood’s Dirty Little Secret
Monday May 5, 2008
**UPDATE**
Check out our full list of conservative Hollywood celebrities. Also, learn How Conservative Hollywood Became a Liberal Town.
While Hollywood is still light-years away from being a conservative town, more and more right-leaning celebrities are finding their way into Tinseltown’s mainstream.
Outright conservative activism is still frowned upon widely by Hollywood Hills executives and most of the film industry still produces liberal-leaning movies and television shows, but there are celebrities willing to swim against the stream while holding tight to their conservative principles.
Following is a partial list of confirmed Hollywood conservatives who deserve recognition for their unwavering committiment to the conservative cause (click on their names to see one of the three credible sources I used to determine whether they were, in fact, conservatives worthy of inclusion on the list):
Ben Stein, author and former gameshow host
Kelsy Grammer, former star of Cheers, Frasier and Back to You
Healther Locklear star of Melrose Place and Spin City
Dennis Hopper: Actor, Director & Two-Time Academy Award Nominee
Patricia Heaton: TV Actor, Female Lead in TV’s Everybody Loves Raymond
Robert Duvall, film actor
Sylvester Stallone, star of the Rocky movies
Tom Selleck, former Magnum P.I. star
John Voigt, film actor
Drew Carey, host of The Price is Right
Kurt Russell, film actor
Ted Nugent, rock star
John Stossel, host of ABC’s 20/20
Angie Harmon star of Law & Order
Elizabeth Hasselbeck, co-host of The View
This list by no means “outs” the celebrites mentioned. In every case, the listed celebrity has made public remarks or donated money to a politically conservative cause. Anyone wishing to submit more celebrities to this list isencouraged to do so, but three credible sources must also be submitted for verification for them to be included on the list.
Though it has been many years since liberals were hunted and, in some cases, falsely accused of being communists by the likes of Sen. Joe McCarthy, Hollywood has become an unfriendly place for conservatives. If, however, more conservatives show themselves to be friendly, socially responsible people, perhaps the tinseltown mentality won’t be so exclusionary.
Lists like this are a start.
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THEY want to cap world population? Wow. I wish them much luck as my friends continue populating the world…:)
Heather,
Very encouraging list!!
Hollywood Conservatives? There May be More Than You Think
2007 November 16
tags: conservatives, Hollywood conservatives, liberal intolerance, liberals, Politicsby Mr Pink Eyes It would appear from reading this article that there may be more conservatives in Hollywood than we may think. Why then don’t we hear more from them? Because they are scared to death to come forward for fear of losing their credibility and their livelyhood.
“They learn very quickly, if they know what’s good for them, to donate to the Democratic Party,” said Andrew Breitbart, co-author of “Hollywood, Interrupted.” “If they were to donate to the Republican Party, they would be exposed to career-ending ridicule, period.”
Liberals, despite what they say, are the most intolerant people on the face of the earth. They don’t tolerate free choice (smoking, trans fats), they don’t tolerate free speech (political correctness), they don’t tolerate freedom of religion (banning all public displays of Christianity), but most of all, the do not tolerate conservatives. As a matter of fact, they hate conservatives. So is it any wonder that Hollywood conservatives keep quiet? They may be in a minority in Hollywood, but they are there.
Republican presidential candidates have been drawing support — and cash — from Hollywood celebrities, but few of the stars in super-liberal Tinseltown want to be publicly linked with the Grand Old Party.
One high-profile celebrity, when asked about her political views, even had her lawyers declare “our client’s rights of privacy and other legally protectable intangible rights” and warn that she should not be labeled a Republican.
In a way I can understand where they are coming from. Working in manufacturing, I am usually surrounded by liberals who feel Republicans do nothing but take care of the rich and I don’t usually debate politics at work. I keep to myself when it comes to politics. That’s kind of ironic, huh.
There are some actors who have publically supported Republicans.
Adam Sandler, who cast former New York City Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani in a cameo role in his 2003 movie “Anger Management,” has contributed $2,100 to Mr. Giuliani’s campaign. The two met recently on Mr. Sandler’s movie set in New York.
Former “Frasier” star Kelsey Grammer and his wife also have tossed in $6,900 for the mayor.
However, they will not elaborate on their positions. The Washington Times article I linked to above tried to get actors who have been outed as conservatives to talk, but they are unwilling.
“Bo isn’t available … sorry,” said Bo Derek’s handler. “Mr. Costner is not available to be interviewed,” said Kevin Costner’s publicists. “I’m sorry, but unfortunately Mel is unavailable to contribute,” said Mel Gibson’s people.
“Please be advised that Ms. Hatcher is not a Republican, but more importantly does not choose to have her political affiliation or viewpoints on any particular candidate or issue in the current presidential campaign included in your proposed article,” lawyer Barry W. Tyerman said in an e-mail.
So conservatives are out there in Hollywood, they are just silent. It’s too bad actually because of all the hatred and vile comments we hear from such enlightened people such as Rosie O’Donnell that conservative actors, who have a platform to make a statement fear they have to be quiet and deny their political leanings.
Here are a few more Hollywood elites who have expressed their support for Republican candidates:
Hollywood producer Joel Surnow endorses Rudy
Robert Duvall endorses Rudy
While I wouldn’t ever consider Rudy a conservative, it still breaks the Hollywood mold for them to endorse any Republican.
Chuck Norris endorses Huckabee
Not all of Hollywood is liberal, but the vast majority and the loudest of them are. There ate Hollywood conservatives, but the all inclusive liberals have them so scared of career extortion and suicide that they must remain silent.
Liberals aren’t so all inclusive, are they?
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Carla, I know, right!!! I’m sure we’ll be adding more as Obamanation continues to screw up the country!
I can’t remember where I read this now, but Gary Sinese of CSI NY is supposed to be a conservative. He’s not “out of the closet” yet though.
It’s a shame Hollywood actors are proud to be gay, or support gays, but embarrassed to admit to being conservative. However as Barry ruins the economy perhaps conservatism will become the new trend….. we can only hope!
What happens in Hollywood often rubs off elsewhere. Celebrity worship is at an all time high.
What we really need is a big star…. I mean a BIG one to announce they are conservative. that would send shock waves I’m sure. Right now Adam Sandler is probably the best known on this list of Republicans.
And one very unlikely pro life person is Sharon Osborne. She had an abortion as a teenager and said she has regretted it ever since. Good for her for saying so!
A few more conservatives…Pat Sajak. Pro-life models..Kathy Ireland, Kim Alexis, Brooke Shields. I’ve just got to print it up b/c they deserve credit!
Joanne, YES! We do have more than a few. The unfortunate part about it is that the ones who “come out” are at risk for committing career suicide:[
Posted by: heather at May 29, 2009 9:28 PM
It will be very interesting to see the reaction of what Craig had to say. He was very outspoken to say the least. I am sure he must have taken into consideration the risk he was taking. Maybe he has actor friends who feel the same way but are afraid to say anything. Possibly he has enabled a few more to say what they think.
For sure the reaction on liberal blogs has been predictable. Nothing but ridicule. I’m sure they are shocked there actually is someone in the acting profession with a brain!
Did you guys read about the meeting of the “rich ones” and they have decided to throw their money at Population Control?!
Posted by: Carla at May 29, 2009 9:12 PM
Havent heard of that, but I’m sure abortion is a big part of their “population control.”
Just wait until Obama decides to cap the salaries of Oprah and the Hollywood liberals.
Mary,
“Interesting you should say that. Actually very little seperates a narcissist from a sociopath, the traits are very interchangable. Its sort of “I say tamato, you say tomato” when it comes to determining the disorder. Borderline, histrionic, narcissistic, and sociopathic are in the same “cluster” of personality disorders, all with interchangable traits. A person with one of these disorders likely has another disorder in the “cluster” or will have traits from each disorder.”
While I have no doubt that you are sincere, there are some problems with your approach (ie. diagnosing people based on a few behaviors or personality traits). Abnormal and “normal” behaviors often occur on the same continuum and are merely a question of extent. The behaviors only become abnormal once they become extreme. For instance, it is quite normal for people to display certain obsessive compulsive behaviors that, if they were disruptive enough, would be classified as OCD. It is much the same for sociopathy, narcissism, and almost every other psychological disorder.
Accidentally channel surfed to Oprah Winfrey.
The show interviewed two women who left their husbands for each other. There’s no shame, there’s no sense that this is monumentally wrong. Oprah is an absolute reprobate.
Beam me up, Jesus, please.
A.
So Obama isn’t an extremist? So which UFO flight did you arrive on?
A
I don’t “diagnose” anyone. I simply observe and watch certain patterns of behavior. Actually I’ve amazed myself at times when my observations and “diagnosis” wound up being confirmed.
My favorite is when my “diagnosis” of borderline personality disorder and bipolar in the same person were confirmed by “experts” on a crime show. I almost fell off my chair.
The fact is A you can pick up on personality disorders. Just watch for certain patterns of behavior. I’ve spent my life with PDs.
I’ve been able to steer parents, who are floundering with obviously disturbed children, to look into the possibility of borderline personality disorder. I’ve had many thank me and admit this is likely what they are dealing with. At least they have an answer. BTW, I don’t diagnose their children, I point out to parents to research the possiblity of borderline.
While PDs are considered mentally ill, they are people who can also function normally and are usually highly intelligent. You encounter them all the time and never know it. The first signs might be the charming new boyfriend who suddenly turns into an insanely jealous abuser or the trusted co-worker who you are shocked to discover has been undermining you with your boss.
These are people born wired a certain way and perceive people and reality differently.
BTW, borderline personalities can have periods of normalcy then suddenly downslide. I watched my daughter do just that in a 20 minute period one time.
Some friendly advise A.
When it comes to sociopaths never let down your guard down for a minute. Always remember first and foremost you are dealing with a sociopath. Most important these people never change, they are only masters at making you think they have.
In fact, they’re masters at convincing you of anything that will serve their purpose.
If you want some pointers on how to spot a sociopath I’ll be happy to give you a few. Otherwise I would recommend “The Sociopath Next Door” by Martha Stout Ph.D. You can get it on Amazon.
Also, the internet has a wealth of information.
Mary:
What do you observe about Obama that makes you think he is a sociopath.
I think Obama is mentally ill and was made that way by his father. He has found ways to hide his mental illness by lying expertly. Why in the world would someone write a book entitled “Dreams from My Father” that was basically a fantasy. I think his extreme abortion views are related to this as well.
Note this quote from WND:
“In his autobiographical book “Dreams from My Father,” Barack Obama paints a heroic picture of his father as having emerged from a poor Kenyan village, where he was nothing more than a simple goat herder, to become a Harvard-educated economist, destined to return to Africa to fulfill his promise.
Unfortunately, the reality is much bleaker than the tale Obama tells in his book.
In truth, Barack Obama senior, Obama’s father, was a polygamist who had already abandoned one wife and child in Africa when he met Obama’s mother in Hawaii.
After being educated at Harvard, Obama senior returned to Africa, abandoning Obama and his mother, to live the life of a chronic alcoholic who ultimately killed himself in his second drink-induced car accident, while driving drunk on the streets of Nairobi.”
God have mercy on us.
I saw about half an hour of Oprah. Not only is there no shame, but they are actually proud of themselves. And they all seemed to have kids. No thought of them whatsoever from what I could see.
Oprah has a huge following and is very influential. This further gives the perception that lesbianism is not only normal but to be celebrated.
We are a sick society.
I have a nephew that is gay. He is one of the 18,000 couples that were married in California when it was briefly legal.
I personally have seen the destruction that having a gay child does to a parent, an honest parent, not a parent in denial.
My sister is a devout Catholic and I know she knows this is wrong. However, she is torn between the love of her son and standing firm in her faith.
Most of us don’t talk about the “marriage” and I can’t tell my sister how I feel as that would really hurt her. Homosexuality destroys relationships.
Yes, homosexuality is a disease with devastating and destructive consequences.
Hi HisMan,
The biggest red flag for me was his ability to charm and manipulate people. I saw crowds that were enraptured. People caught up in a messianic trance. Kind of made one think of Hitler(a sociopath) and the enraptured German masses. People simply unwilling to see Obama’s failings. Sooner or later he will make things right.
His lying.
His underhanded deal when buying his house.
His readiness to toss people under the bus who are a political liablity, such as Rev. Wright.
I see no empathy or remorse in this man at all. People are being laid off and he’s talking about how great things are. He’s undermining our country’s security, destroying its economy, and placing us in a very vulnerable position.
Personally I don’t believe sociopaths are made, but rather born.
About the childhood fantasy. You have to be skeptical of what any PD, be they Narcissistic, Borderline, or Sociopathic tells you about their childhood. They may be telling you the truth, most likely they are embellishing one way or the other. If this is honestly how they perceived their lives or its a play for sympathy I don’t know.
To hear my daughter tell it she was horribly abused. Its a crock, yet I honestly think that’s how she perceives it. Same with my NPD sister. Same with my BPD father. My grandmother who had definite sociopathic and narcissistic traits was forever crying about her horrific childhood and terrible life, which I think was a tad exaggerated.
Obama mentally ill? I think he’s a highly intelligent man not guided by a conscience or empathy. That should scare us.
Is everyone on that list a conservative or just pro-life? Such as Kathy Ireland? I don’t keep up on celebrities and politics, but I was just curious…
Oh, and in case you’re interested, I always thought that Robert Downey, Jr. was a conservative (okay, I’ve read this not theorized it…on Wikipedia…).
Now, because I’m intrigued, does anyone have a list of moderates or pro-life activists in Los Angeles? I like lists…:D
Vannah…..it’s hard to say for sure, as some people are conservative on fiscal issues but liberal on social issues. However, many pro life people are also conservative fiscally.
I have a question about gay marriage. Are people like Ellen still married? This is confusing to me. Anyone know?
Oh, and in case you’re interested, I always thought that Robert Downey, Jr. was a conservative (okay, I’ve read this not theorized it…on Wikipedia…).
Posted by: Vannah at May 30, 2009 12:25 AM—————————————————————————————————————– Vannah, yes. Robert Downey Jr. is conservative!
RE; Drew Carey. I never knew he was a conservative. Drew’s mother used to live right up the street from me. He now owns her home, as she has since passed away, and he comes home during the summer a lot. I hear he’s a really cool guy!
Heather,
If homosexual “marriage” is not recognized in the state Ellen is in….then no.
The times they are a changing.
A little off topic. I see the North Korean dictator keeps giving our fearless leader the finger. Imagine. You would have thought running around the world apologizing for our country, kissing dictators backsides, exposing our national security secrets, and speaking of eliminating nuclear weapons would have only greatly enhanced the respect and fear world tyrants would have of our president.
Well, maybe Obama will really show him and threaten to go to the UN a few more times.
That will get that little despot shaking in his boots.
Mary, great post!!
Thanks Mary.
Heather
Thank you.
HisMan,
You are entirely welcome.
Mary, do you mean that BHO’s bowing to the King of Saudi Arabia and high fiving Chavez and yucking it up with the commie Ortega will not help usher in an era of enlightenment and world peace?
Nothing emboldens despots like the leaders of Iran and North Korea more than the perception of weakness in an adversary. BHO is in so far over his head it is frightening.
Hi Jerry 11:13PM
Not to mention kissing the backsides of the Castro brothers. And to think old Fidel wouldn’t release political prisoners in spite of it.
Very true Jerry. Despots and dictators are evil but certainly not stupid. They can smell weakness.
I’m old enough to remember the Berlin Wall and Cuban Missile Crises. Both resulting from Soviet dictator Kruschev’s perception of weakness in President Kennedy.
Hi HisMan,
Speaking of personality disorders, the movie “Our Mother’s Murder” a true story, is the account of a woman married to what I would say is a definite borderline personality, if you are ever interested in observing what these people are like.
They don’t say he’s a BPD but its obvious. I’m watching the movie now. Its on the lifetime channel for future reference.
Mary:
Will do, however, the movie title sounds creepy.
Jerry:
North Korea is just the beginning. This is all going to literally blow up in Obama’s face. Tyrants and despots fear only one thing, those they perceive as stronger than themselves. As Clinton emboldened Al-Qaida to attack us on 9/11 because of his fascination with oral sex, so too will Obama’s fascination with himself, if you know what I mean, result in an even worse catastrophe.
Good Morning HisMan 12:56am
Its not creepy, only very sad. Its the true story of Anne Scripps Douglas an heiress and her second marriage told from the perspective of her daughter. The husband is an excellent example of a borderline PD.
Oh Mary, you watch Lifetime too? Me too. I call it Wifetime [television for women]! hahaha!
Mary, this movie sounds good!
Hi Heather 9:14am
I enjoy Lifetime though my husband, like most, considers it a “chick flick” channel. All he has to do is see its on, never mind the movie, and he’s gone.
About the movie. It is very good, though very sad. Her husband is a textbook Borderline PD. You’ll see how even the most trivial thing can send these people into an insane rage. These people have a pathological fear of what they perceive as abandonment, often seen as love and remorse by the abuse victim, and you will see this in the end when he realizes she is going through with the divorce.
Reminds me of life with my father and daughter!