Jivin J’s Life Links 6-14-09
by JivinJ
For the time being, Carhart said he will offer late-term abortions in his Bellevue clinic. He said Nebraska’s abortion laws are flexible.
“As long as I get referrals from other doctors that say the fetus is not viable, then it’s my intent to take care of those patients,” Carhart said.
This is in contrast to what the Associated Press wrote after interviewing Carhart less than a week ago. That article claims…
Carhart has run his own clinic in Bellevue, Neb., since 1985, but had performed late-term abortions at Tiller’s clinic because of Nebraska’s more restrictive abortion laws.
Page’s only evidence for the supposed need for third trimester abortions comes from details about a late term abortion (no specific gestation is given) in a pro-Tiller opinion editorial in the Cleveland Plains Dealer, which was originally published in the Kansas City Star. The editorial provides no medical reasoning for why killing the twins of Phillip Wood and his wife would be preferable to delivering them.
Another article in the Columbia Missourian which also has the Woods’ story claims, “Doctors told the couple that the twins wouldn’t survive, and, without an abortion, the couple would not be able to conceive again.” I’m not seeing any information on how injecting digoxin into the hearts of the twins before delivering would somehow save the fertility of Phillip Wood’s wife.
The author of the government report, Anders Milton, writes in an article in Dagens Nyheter, that “for whatever reasons, we in Sweden have more abortions than other countries in western Europe.”
Milton believes many of the abortions may be performed on individuals not born in Sweden and proposes free contraceptives for anyone under the age of 25 and more sex education as a means to solving the problem. The article notes that contraceptives and emergency contraception are already available for free at youth centers.
The article claims the woman “chose to take an abortion pill before the embryo was allowed to implant into her womb” but it seems more likely the woman aborted the pregnancy after implantation had occurred:
“We just wanted to get out of there. The actual mention of the termination part of it really upsets us because we tend to think of the embryo as the little boy that we have got because he was from the first batch of embryos.”
At 14 weeks, she said she was given the option of terminating some of the unborn babies. “They more or less advised us to,” she told the Sunday Express. “They told us about the risks we faced if we went ahead with the pregnancy.”
But the former fashion store sales supervisor insisted on putting her faith in God and pressing ahead despite the risks. “Whatever God laid out for our lives we were taking it,” said 26-year-old Nuala [pictured left with husband Austin on their wedding day].
Yagnik became pregnant 8 months into the marriage. But her in-laws forced her to terminate the pregnancy after sonography carried out at a[n] Anand hospital revealed a female foetus.
The Bhatts’ desire for a boy child led to 4 other cases of female foeticide. Yagnik said her daughter, Kamya, could not have been born had the in-laws been given a chance to run a sex-determination test.
[Photo attributions: pbs.org; dailymail.co.uk]
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
I seriously clicked on the link of “alarming images from anti-abortion websites” expecting to see the shocking after-abortion fetus photos, only to find anti-abortion cites describing Tiller’s vocation, etc. How backwards these people are!
I’m absolutely disgusted that our tax dollars go to further this kind of propaganda.
Carhart can’t be allowed to get away with this. He was the one in Kansas on staff when Christin Gilbert suffered her fatal infection after her abortion (that wasn’t her choice due to her disability).
Nebraska’s Laws are not “flexible”. Most third trimester babies are VIABLE and can survive outside the womb with medical assistance.
We actually have an attorney general that’s against abortion so he’s upset over this thing with Carhart.
And that’s really neat about the sextuplets in Ireland. You don’t hear much about NATURAL conception of sextuplets. I know the Dionne Quints from Canada were conceived naturally.
“Another article in the Columbia Missourian which also has the Woods’ story claims, “Doctors told the couple that the twins wouldn’t survive, and, without an abortion, the couple would not be able to conceive again.” I’m not seeing any information on how injecting digoxin into the hearts of the twins before delivering would somehow save the fertility of Phillip Wood’s wife.”
Jill…. The Cleveland newspaper article added this:
“Doctors at the Catholic-affiliated hospital told them neither twin would survive, and his wife was at risk of a ruptured uterus. That would make her infertile and could threaten her life.”
A ruptured uterus could indeed be life threatening….. but wouldn’t a c-section be an alternative?
Carhart can’t be allowed to get away with this. He was the one in Kansas on staff when Christin Gilbert suffered her fatal infection after her abortion (that wasn’t her choice due to her disability).
Nebraska’s Laws are not “flexible”. Most third trimester babies are VIABLE and can survive outside the womb with medical assistance.
We actually have an attorney general that’s against abortion so he’s upset over this thing with Carhart.
Posted by: LizFromNebraska at June 15, 2009 4:54 PM
Carhart sounds evil and I hope he doesn’t get away with it either.
And I totally agree with you on the viability issue. Doctors are saving babies born weighing as little as one pound now.
Joanne, since what Tiller did was induce labor after letting the fetus rot in the uterus for three days while keeping the mother in a motel room, it does seem that the risk of dying from uterine rupture under Tiller’s dubious “care” would be higher than the risk of dying from uterine rupture while under the 24-hour care of high-risk obstetrics nurses in a specialty hospital.
Another article in the Columbia Missourian which also has the Woods’ story claims, “Doctors told the couple that the twins wouldn’t survive, and, without an abortion, the couple would not be able to conceive again.”
I think this is a frequent scare tactic to try to induce couples to abort.
In fact, it’s likely that the abortion, if anything will adversely affect fertility, not having the babies.
You should post the picture of his state of the art, Women’s “Health” Clinic again.
It would be hilarious if it wasn’t so pathetic.
LizfromNE, If you go back to the archived thread when the pictures of Carhart’s dump were first posted, HisMan listed several code violations that your AG may be interested in citing Carhart for. Not that you want to try to tell him how to do his job…
Maybe he’s never seen the pictures. I’m sure he’d be alarmed. That dump is an accident waiting to happen.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twin-to-twin_transfusion_syndrome
I looked up the reason for the abortion of the twins and depending on how far along those precious babies were, its possible they could have survived.
Ed: I do know when Carhart “reopened” after the fire, he did not have an occupancy permit.
I really don’t know whose worse, Carhart or Pendergraft. They’re abortionist pigs unless they get saved.
“John M. Buchanan, the horribly misinformed editor of the Christian Century magazine, who seems unaware of the late Dr. Tiller’s admission to performing at least 60k late-term abortions in his career, a large percentage of them to teens who hid their pregnancies until it was too late, June 2009.”
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Jasper,
You are being too charitable.
‘mis-informed’ implies that Buchanan was given incorrect information and he naively believed it to be true.
How many of us have heard things and, because it seeme to re-inforce what we wanted to believe, we did not practice due diligence, and take the next step and attempt to verify what we had been told.
Even so called ‘journalists, do it. Some even acknowledge the practice and excuse it in the next breath by claiming it is the other sides responsibility to correct the misinformation.
That is a lame excuse and it would be one thing if they were consistent in the application of their lazy approach to reporting the news. But they are not.
People like mr. Buchanan are willfully ignorant or deliberately deceptive or both. They are NOT just ‘useful idiots’, they are knowing accomplices in the distribution of mis-information to promote their social and political agenda.
yor bro ken
RJ,
I’ve never heard that phrase before, “abortionist pigs”.
I like it! You’ll probably see me borrow it in future posts
Thanks Ed… Thats just the way I feel! “Abortionist pig,”(Any doctor, nurse, or other medical proffessional, who directly partisapates in an abortion. Hartless, without remorce.) Victabort(Any person who has been harmed by abortion.) Their you go ed. RJ
Cool RJ.
Keep up the good fight brother.
I’ve found over the past couple of months that by regularly logging in to Jill’s site, I receive strength from comments by posters like yourself. We just need to keep encouraging one another, and lifting our country up in prayer that we’d come to our senses, wake up and realize that abortion is genocide.
Joanne, since what Tiller did was induce labor after letting the fetus rot in the uterus for three days while keeping the mother in a motel room, it does seem that the risk of dying from uterine rupture under Tiller’s dubious “care” would be higher than the risk of dying from uterine rupture while under the 24-hour care of high-risk obstetrics nurses in a specialty hospital.
Posted by: Christina at June 15, 2009 5:21 PM
Oh my gosh Christina I had not thought of it that way but you are right.
Tiller and Carhart have admitted late term abortions can take 3 to 5 days. All for the “health” of the mother.
http://www.christiancentury.org/article.lasso?id=7229
QuOTD:
Buchanan is pro-abortion, he’s not just misinformed. This is sickening.
Buchanan writes (excerpt)::
When I heard the news of Tiller’s murder I made two telephone calls. The first was to my brother Bill, who is county manager in Sedgwick, Kansas, whose jail is holding Tiller’s accused killer. Bill’s pastor was organizing an interfaith service of reconciliation—for which she is being denounced by abortion opponents who regard Tiller’s murder as justifiable homicide. Bill said he thinks the extreme hate speech used regularly by some abortion opponents is an important part of a movement that sometimes expresses itself in violent acts.
My second call was to an old friend, a former president of the American College of Obstetrics and Gynecologists and a longtime advocate of reproductive choice. A friend of Tiller, he explained how Tiller was inspired by his own father, a physician who performed illegal abortions after having seen many patients who had been victims of botched abortions, some of them self-inflicted. The senior Tiller concluded that it was morally better to provide safe abortions than to do nothing and watch women die or undergo grave damge to their health.
I asked my physician friend about the procedure often called late-term abortion, meaning abortion after 20 weeks of gestation. He told me that there aren’t very many such abortions—about a thousand per year in the entire nation. He also told me that they are done because the mother’s health is truly at risk or the child to be born will be profoundly impaired and perhaps unable to live more than a few hours. And he added that Tiller never performed the procedure except for these reasons—certainly never for reasons of convenience.
Is it naive to hope for a civil conversation on the subject? Can we cease using language that allows for no diversity of opinion? Calling abortion “baby killing” and abortion pro viders “mass murderers” leaves no room for conversation.
There is nothing good about this appalling killing in Kansas. But could it possibly lead people of good will on both sides to show more civility and respect as we continue to talk about the issue?
Bill O’Reilly (Fox News) is talking about civil rights for viable fetuses on his show tonight. Go Bill!
Jasper,
You are being too charitable.
‘mis-informed’ implies that Buchanan was given incorrect information and he naively believed it to be true.
How many of us have heard things and, because it seeme to re-inforce what we wanted to believe, we did not practice due diligence, and take the next step and attempt to verify what we had been told.
Even so called ‘journalists, do it. Some even acknowledge the practice and excuse it in the next breath by claiming it is the other sides responsibility to correct the misinformation.
That is a lame excuse and it would be one thing if they were consistent in the application of their lazy approach to reporting the news. But they are not.
People like mr. Buchanan are willfully ignorant or deliberately deceptive or both. They are NOT just ‘useful idiots’, they are knowing accomplices in the distribution of mis-information to promote their social and political agenda.
yor bro ken
Posted by: kbhvac at June 15, 2009 6:25 PM
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Ken, I wrote the QOTD today in Jasper’s absence, and you’re right… I was being too charitable. ;)
“Willfully ignorant” might even be too charitable, but I was trying to be somewhat polite.
So Tiller was “inspired” by his father and didn’t want to see women die from back alley abortions.
Women still die getting legal abortions done.
And once again the excuse “mother’s health at risk.” I’m not saying the woman’s health would never be at risk but I think the answer is induce labor or do a c-section. Both of these terminate the pregnancy and give the baby a chance to survive.
I just don’t see how a “procedure” that can take up to 5 days is to “save the mother’s life.”
Another thing…. to people like Buchanan who say there are “only” about 1,000 late term abortions a year.
Even if there was only one it would be too many.
Tiller was in medical school and wasn’t planning on being an abortionist until after his father died in an accident. He felt he needed to continue his father’s business. Imagine how history might have been different if his father hadn’t died when he did.
O’Reilly said there are four abortionists in the US who do late-term abortions. Is this correct or are there more? Anyone?
Kel,
Good for you for erring toward ‘politnesss’.
I can be brash enough for all of us.
mr. Buchannan’s op-ed is ‘troubling’.
Buchanan asks, “Can we cease using language that allows for no diversity of opinion? Calling abortion “baby killing” and abortion pro viders “mass murderers” leaves no room for conversation.”
Evidently mr. Buchanan has never vistied Jill’s web site. The conversation continues in spite of the use of terms that cause him so much discomfort. The truth will set you free mr. Buchanan but at the very least it will ‘trouble you’ first.
Buchanan ‘chooses’ to use euphemisms like ‘choice’ and ‘reproductive rights’ to put lipstick on his ‘pig of an argument’ in an attempt to keep from frightening himself and scaring the children. But when the children see the pictures and hear the words they have no problem understanding what is going on. Only an adult persuading them otherwise will overturn their own good sense.
Mr. Buchanan will you cease using your screwed up theology and perverted biology to hide what it is you are promoting and protecting?
Quit hiding behind your ministerial robes and clerics collar and honestly debate the issue.
Your spiritual sophistries are wholey insufficient. They will not stand up to even minimal scrutiny.
yor bro ken
Posted by: Janet at June 15, 2009 10:46 PM
Tiller was in medical school and wasn’t planning on being an abortionist until after his father died in an accident. He felt he needed to continue his father’s business. Imagine how history might have been different if his father hadn’t died when he did.
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Janet,
Do you have any details on Tiller’s father’s ‘accident’?
yor bro ken
Ken,
Do you have any details on Tiller’s father’s ‘accident’?
Excerpt from Physicians for Reproductive Choice, Tiller’s words:
http://www.prch.org/george-r-tiller-md
“In July of 1970, I planned to start a dermatology residency. On August 21, 1970, my father, mother, sister and brother-in-law were killed in an aircraft accident. My sister had a 12-month-old boy, Maurice. They had written out a will in longhand the evening before the airplane crash, that I was to raise Maurice. So we took charge of my sister’s boy and we moved back to Wichita. My game plan was to spend six months here, close out my father’s huge family medicine practice….”
Ken,
This article also has more details on Tiller’s father’s death in a plane accident.
http://www.kansascity.com/703/v-print/story/1237637.html