Jivin J’s Life Links 8-10-09
by JivinJ
Supporters of H.R. 3200 claim that its end of life counseling provision, section 1233, is merely voluntary for the patient. But a closer look shows that section 1233 includes conditions and financial incentives for physicians and other health care providers that create a setting in which an elderly patient’s decision to appropriate this option is likely to be less than voluntary….
Some believe that the choice of abortion is wrong in all places for all time. But attitudes about abortion are situational, historic and geographic.
My work to open Choices East, a satellite of Choices Women’s Medical Center in NY, in the former Soviet Union was inspired by a 35-year-old woman who came to our medical center for her 36th abortion. Like so many other Russian émigré women living in NY, she was violently opposed to using birth control because her Russian doctor taught her that “the Pill” was far more dangerous than repeat abortions. This misinformation benefited Russian physicians because they could earn extra money doing abortions on women in their homes to supplement their three dollars a month salary. Other forms of contraception were unavailable for all practical purposes. For these women, the “issue” of abortion posed no questions of morality, ethics, or women’s rights versus fetal life.
After quoting a diatribe in which Hern calls the pro-life movement a “fascist movement” and blames George Tiller’s murder on the “hate-speech” of pro-lifers, she writes about how dangerous it is to compare people to Nazis:
But one thing that Maddow points out is that the rhetoric used even by supposedly “mainstream” groups is intented to incite violence, even as they claim to abhor it. Nazi comparisons are the easy example – I think it’s one thing to say that someone’s views or beliefs are so extreme that they are reminiscent of popular views in Nazi Germany, or even to point out the similiarities between certain regressive, frighteningly controlling policies and the polices of fascist states. But accusations of Nazism, or being just like Hitler, evokes a particular response.
It crosses a line to start arguing that a Democratic leader is basically a Nazi, or to say that healthcare is a “Hitler-like policy being heralded like a Hitler-like logo” and “Obama is asking citizens to rat each other out, just like Hitler did” (those are Rush Limbaugh quotes, for the record; apparently Hitler was extremely concerned with universal health care). As Maddow says, “He’s just like Hitler. And you know what that means he deserves, right?”
The argument seems to go something like this: “pro-lifers shouldn’t compare abortion to genocide or used Hitler/Nazi comparisons because they could incite violence.”
But in the next two paragraphs of the Esquire piece from which Jill quoted Hern, the writer briefly defends Bill O’Reilly’s right to free speech and then Hern responds by saying this:
He’s full of (expletive). This is not a debate, it’s a civil war. And the other people are using bullets and bombs. I think O’Reilly is a fascist, and he would fit right in in Nazi Germany as far as I’m concerned.
According to Jill, Hern is correct to call pro-lifers “fascists” and deplore their use of hot rhetoric, and saying Bill O’Reilly would have “fit right in in Nazi Germany” is not comment worthy – but if pro-lifers claim that abortion providers kill babies and slaughter innocents, we’re over the line.
Double standard, anyone?
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Hern is a little nuts. A full read of that Esquire article reveals that he has some issues.
It is sometimes correct to call militant anti-aborts ‘fascists,’ but we all need to avoid the words ‘nazi’ or ‘hitler.’ They are fascists of the past and are forbidden words as far as I’m concerned.
That’s not a double standard, as far as I’m concerned.
The bus crash between the group MercyMe and a pregnant teenage driver did cause the death of the teens two passengers and her 39-week-old baby. The baby was born stillborn at the hospital. The driver did survive the crash.
By the above post it sounded as though the driver was one of the fatalities, but she was not. I live in Indiana and it has been in the news daily becuase they are due to perform at the state fair.