Pro-aborts hate 40 Days for Life, starting tomorrow
The Spring 2010 40 Days for Life campaign officially kicks off tonight at 7p EST with a live-streamed online video featuring David Bereit, Shawn Carney, and Abby Johnson.
Prayer vigils in front of abortion mills, many around the clock, will run in 167 cities across the US, and in Australia, Canada, and Northern Ireland from tomorrow, the first day of Lent, through March 28….
A couple secular friends have asked if they’d be welcome at a 40 Days event. The answer is yes, according to SecularProLife.org.
This will be the 6th 40 Days event, now held every spring and fall. And every campaign takes its toll on the industry. Last fall 2 abortion mills folded during the campaign, and 9 mill workers (including Abby!) quit their their jobs. And best of all, at least 607 babies were saved from abortion.
Here’s a blog post following last autumn’s 40 Days campaign by Emily X, “a fictional name representing a compilation of Planned Parenthood affiliate staff and activists” (click to enlarge)…
Oh, really?
For a little glimpse into the paranoia, read some recent tweets…
Here’s another sampling, from Radio Free B (click to enlarge)…
“Remember, these people are not just a benign prayer vigil – their goal, no matter how peaceful they act, is to shut down clinics and reduce access to abortion.” Rats, the B is on to us. How did she find out what we’re up to? Who told?
Some Planned Parenthoods are attempting a counterattack by requesting pledges for 40 Days picketers. I say it’s good practice for when the day comes that taxpayer funding is withdrawn…
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
Again, you provide me with information I did not know. Off to promote the “pledge a picket” campaign! Thanks!
too bad this isn’t about money for us. But maybe you can go gloat about your fundraiser to the over 600 children 40 Days has helped spare from being killed by abortion. I’m sure THEY will care.
Let’s (pro-lifers) promote a “pledge a picket – back at ya” to raise funds for the local pregnancy center.
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(Tweeted:)
“Escorts will keep patients safe.”
But who will keep the babies safe?
Thanks, Jill for posting this. I just signed up to receive the vigil schedule in my area. Surely it’s no accident that this happens during Lent? Excellent timing!
May God bless this effort across the world with many victories for LIFE! Glory to the Lamb!
Its no accident that it happens during Lent. 40 days has significance in the bible (for those who believe).
What are the escorts protecting patients from? Bad hair days? Bug Bites?
Or are they trying to “protect” them from the truth that abortion destroys a human child and the scientific truth of fetal development?
Tomorrow I’ll be at the local abortuary with my parents, peacefully praying for an hour.
Ha Ha Ha! Moonwhatever, you’re a hoot!
Go ahead! Give all your money away to your local child killing center.
You obviously aren’t intelligent enough to know that abortion is wrong. Why would we expect you to understand anything about good financial stewardship.
God gives you a baby and you want to kill the little child. How could you possibly fathom a concept like fiscal responsibility.
“A fool and his money are soon parted.”
Go ahead, double your donation, triple it.
We are going to save babies and rescue women from bodily and emotional trauma regardless. There isn’t enough money in the world to stop us.
Unborn children are human persons entitled to the protections of our Constitution including the Right to Life.
Your side’s going down.
Wow, they really, really, really hate 40 Days!
It makes me want to double my vigil schedule.
Thanks Kushielmoon! Now I will definitely be out for 40 days for life praying for blinded souls like you! Its not too late to see truth for what it is! Abby repented and so can you!
Janet wrote:
Let’s (pro-lifers) promote a “pledge a picket – back at ya” to raise funds for the local pregnancy center.
Yes! I’ve been proposing that for some time now, with “pledge a picket” for picketers of pregnancy centers and had suggested it back in the “National abortion funding group out of money” thread:
Ok, folks, I’ve got an idea, and I’m serious…how about we do a counter-fund, where everytime a pro-choice troll comes here and makes the claim they donated to the Hersey Fund in honor of Jill or her post, we donate to The Nurturing Network, Heartbeat International/CareNet, Birthright, or another pro-life agency of your choice, which provides real, tangible support and resources to women during pregnancy and parenting and post-abortion counseling. You can either donate through the above linked agencies or through the Purple Envelope Project.
and xalisae agreed and came up with a great idea of her own:
And Rachel, I think you have a wonderful I idea. Jill, could you put a clickable donation button on the side of your page to help CPCs with paypal donations? Maybe even underneath it the copy/paste html code so other pro-life blogs can easily add it to their page?
So maybe for every pledge a pro-choice activist makes to a clinic for a 40 Days for Life Protester, we can counter it with an equal or higher donation to a pregnancy center to help women with their pregnancies and existing families.
Again, you provide me with information I did not know. Off to promote the “pledge a picket” campaign! Thanks!
Posted by: KushielsMoon
KushielsMoon, have you had an abortion? Do you understand the negative impact abortion has on women and their families? Information your side is withholding from women in the name of protecting abortion rights? Can you honestly say that you’ve explored this issue in depth before choosing to become pro-choice?
KushieIsMoon fancies herself a “pro-choice christian” and crafts such fanciful nuggets as this:
“Reason #66: Every child deserves life
A fetus is not a child. What has the fetus done, to deserve anything? What about the woman? Doesn’t she deserve equality and dignity and liberty?”
Yes, because if my kids aren’t pulling their weight, I’m tossing them out on their bum, blizzard or no! How very christian of you. I must’ve missed the part of the bible that said “I’ll die for your sins, unless…”
KushielsMoon,
I don’t know if it was your post that provoked me to respond like I did earlier or maybe I had a little too much caffeine.
Either way, you should know that the days of the merciless slaughter of thousands of innocent children in America are drawing to a close. It doesn’t matter what you or your feminist friends think about your rights or your bodies.
1. Abortion is genocide. It is the killing of a child. God has created every child at conception and no one has the right to take an unborn child’s life.
2. I am all for women’s rights. However, once a woman has conceived a child and has becomes a mother, she has a responsibility to protect and nurture that child, at the minimum, until her child is born and can be adopted by loving parents. And the father is responsible to protect and provide for both mom and baby through pregnancy.
3. Your body isn’t a sexual amusement park. Sex is an awesome gift from God designed exclusively for married couples. Children are His inheritance and He will help any father provide for the children they create.
4. When you disobey God’s commands, you make a mess. When you obey Him, you put yourself in a position to be blessed abundantly.
He is the best friend you could ever hope for.
KushielsMoon, I appreciate the fact that you have somehow convinced yourself that abortions help women and that you mean well.
Do you really want to help women?
OPEN YOUR EYES! BEHOLD THE TRUTH! HELP YOUNG MOTHERS TAKE CARE OF THEIR CHILDREN, EVEN IF IT’S FOR JUST 9 MONTHS.
Abortion kills one victim (at least 1/2 of which are female) and deeply wounds the mother.
It’s nice to be on the side of righteousness and justice.
And it sure helps you sleep better at night.
I’ll be at the PP located smack in the middle of one of the most high-risk neighborhoods in Orlando.
That wasn’t intentional or nothing…
I’ll be at the PP located smack in the middle of one of the most high-risk neighborhoods in Orlando.
That wasn’t strategic on PP’s part, was it?
Uh, I found out because there are posts all over 40 Days for Life’s website bragging about the number of clinics that have closed their doors during/because of the campaign, and counting them as successes? I have a Twitter and a Tumblr, Jill, I do know how to use the internet.
“Yes, because if my kids aren’t pulling their weight, I’m tossing them out on their bum, blizzard or no! How very christian of you. I must’ve missed the part of the bible that said “I’ll die for your sins, unless…” ”
Haha, awesome.
haha ‘radiofreeb’ doesn’t get sarcasm Jill.
oops, sorry, I didn’t mean to post 3 times, there’s a problem with the comments thingy.
but maybe it is good, so ‘radiofreeb’ can ‘get’ it!
Uh, I found out because there are posts all over 40 Days for Life’s website bragging about the number of clinics that have closed their doors during/because of the campaign, and counting them as successes?
Yes, they are successes. Honestly, this, to me, is one of the most puzzling things about pro-choicers. The pro-life movement got going saying, “Abortion is wrong. We want to end legal abortion.” Thirty-seven years later, the pro-life movement is saying, “Abortion is wrong. We want to end legal abortion.” And yet, every time pro-lifers say/do something that gets us a step closer to achieving that goal, the pro-choicers fly into a tizzy, squawking about how, “I can’t believe they’re actually trying to end legal abortion!!!”
Really? Thirty-seven years of us saying exactly that, and you’re still surprised? Because it’s not like we say these things in secret, you know?
You know what, though? Never mind. Don’t worry about it. Don’t look. Don’t see. Don’t let yourself comprehend. The more you fail to realize what our not-so-hidden agenda is, the more flat-footed and unprepared you’ll be to respond to our work carrying it out. Stay sleepy. Just stay sleepy.
Erika, right.
Rachael, x: Get me a 360×150 ad… “Counterpledge a Picket” or something clever… and I’ll post it. You’ll need a link to the place to give donations.
Ed, I’m not sure if the pro-choice movement is “going down” just yet, but I continue to be amazed at the successes we’ve had, considering that the pro-aborts have Hollywood, academe, the media, and the leader of the free world on their side. It really is a David vs. Goliath situation, and it looks like David is gaining momentum . . .
I don’t get the pledge-a-picket image. Are those lemons?
Now that they can no longer hate on Tebow, they have a whole shiny new target-their reason for living. Maybe a donation to Scott Roeder’s defense fund in Kushie the Moonbat’s name is in order. Laffin.
Rachael, is the “purple envelope” project still going on? I think it’s a wonderful idea, but it says it ended on June 1st of last year.
I am low on funds, but every time I see a pro-abortion poster coming here like Moon whatever her name is, I am going to put a quarter to donate to life!
Philly, it’s not officially going on, but any donations can still definitely be sent in that direction!
If there’s interest we can start it up again this year. Let me know!
You guys (Pro-Lifers) are gonna love this – talk about counter-funding! The Commonwealth of Virginia has voted to have the proceeds from their Pro-Choice license plates go to Crisis Pregnancy rather than Planned Parenthood! I wonder if the Governor will sign the legislation that was just passed. Oh yeah, he’s a (real) Catholic who graduated from Pat Robertson’s Regent University and just won the Governorship in a state that went for Obama by a double-digit margin in 2008. I’m thinking he can’t sign fast enough! Yeah Baby! :) Here’s the story:
http://www.lifenews.com/state4816.html
Oh, no. I got that it was sarcasm. I’m finding this whole post pretty hilarious, actually. I’ve been poring over it for quite some time, trying to find the one thing I’m now quite sure it’s missing – a point.
And, no, I’m not surprised that y’all are trying to put a stop to a woman’s right to choose. I mean, come on. It’s about as obvious as Jill pointing out that pro-choicers aren’t so fond of 40 Days for Life. If you want to talk about people who are surprised for no reason…
But there are people I’ve talked to who are convinced that y’all are ‘just trying to get your point across’, and that the 40D4L campaign doesn’t mean any real harm to abortion providers. That would be who I’m talking to.
Although, considering how much the white, heterosexual, Christian majority in the US tries to paint themselves as hard-done-by and oppressed, it probably shouldn’t surprise me that some people buy it.
Also, Sue Church – don’t count your chickens before they hatch.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/virginiapolitics/2010/02/planned_parenthood_license_pla.html
I’m half-hispanic, female, and an atheist, and you’ll find we rather run the gamut here. But I do always love it when your side tries to pin their hopes on us being a stereotyped caricature of who we really are, because it shows how desperate you guys have become.
Euphemisms and stereotypes, that’s all you know. “Woman’s right to choose…” Choose WHAT, exactly, B? I’m not opposed to me being able to choose what clothes to wear, what music to listen to, where to shop, where I can sit on a bus, who I can associate with…what is the “CHOICE” we’re talking about here? Oh, right, it’s the CHOICE for a woman to have her developing son or daughter put to DEATH. Where, apart from inside the womb, is that or has that EVER been considered an acceptable practice?
Mmm, too bad the campaign I’m talking about, 40D4L, is prayer-based? Love all the deliberate misinterpretation of everything I say around here. And the deleting of parts of my comments.
Good times all around.
Yes, Stanek, I have a bit of a problem with antis stalking and harassing patients at clinics. Thank you for pointing out the obvious.
“Now that they can no longer hate on Tebow, they have a whole shiny new target-their reason for living. Maybe a donation to Scott Roeder’s defense fund in Kushie the Moonbat’s name is in order. Laffin.”
How pro-life. “You deserve the right to life! Unless I don’t like your profession. Then it’s okay to kill you”.
Hey, some people are pro-choice when it comes to abortion doctors. I thought you guys respected choice?!
And I don’t know how great your reading comprehension skills are (you really show your age when you think swearing is funny in and of itself), but if you would read here consistently, you’d find the efforts of 40 Days for Life are also coordinated and entwined with secularprolife.org.
Wait…huh?! Kids right out of high school DON’T know it all? OMG!
And before you jump on me saying “ZOMGZ!!! You just said it’s ok for that guy to kill our hero Super Dr. Tiller!!!!111one”
No. That’s not what I’m saying at all. Because, if you THINK for just a second about our position, we don’t think ANYONE should be “choiced”. We don’t think it’s ok for prenatal human beings to be killed in an abortion, and post-natal doctors getting shot isn’t a great and wonderful choice to make, either.
But doesn’t it sure sting a little when that “choice” stick you’re wielding swings the other way?
“But doesn’t it sure sting a little when that “choice” stick you’re wielding swings the other way?”
Um, it doesn’t. Abortion is not equal to killing a doctor. If Dr. Tiller was dependent on another person’s body against his/her will, then maybe your argument would be valid. Was Dr. Tiller living inside of a person against her will? Was Dr. Tiller going to cause a person to go through a pregnancy and labor against her will? No? I didn’t think so. We’re not pro-choice because we’re out to get fetuses. We’re pro-choice because it’s ALWAYS wrong to force a person through a pregnancy. Always.
I am prolife because it is ALWAYS wrong to kill a growing unborn human child. ALWAYS.
radiofreeb,
I edited your comments. I am a moderator here. You are welcome to share your opinion without resorting to personal attacks.
Rachael, is the “purple envelope” project still going on? I think it’s a wonderful idea, but it says it ended on June 1st of last year.
I don’t know, I can shoot off an e-mail to find out, but I imagine donations with encouraging notes would still be welcomed by to pregnancy centers.
Rachael, x: Get me a 360×150 ad… “Counterpledge a Picket” or something clever… and I’ll post it. You’ll need a link to the place to give donations.
Posted by: Jill Stanek at February 17, 2010 9:38 AM
I like the idea of a counter fund or even a pregnancy and parenting fund. I’m not very good with graphic design and am limited with programs to use, would someone else be able to make the graphic if I head up the rest? Also, maybe I could make a Facebook page for this. Also, a a Twitter page wouldn’t be a bad idea.
For those interested in donating to a pregnancy resource center, you can make monetary donations in the following two ways:
Online donations through the following secure websites:
Canadian Association of Pregnancy Support Services (CAPSS)
http://capss.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=117&Itemid=252&lang=en
The Gabriel Project
http://www.gabrielcommunications.org/store/donation.htm
Heartbeat International/OptionLine
https://www.egivingsystems.org/support/48721/
Hidden Choices Maternity Homes
https://www.paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_flow&SESSION=jPTrl0G_WATFM1QwOsySODm2umHFAtaQaWBjPhI-J4AF_YimjQGvGP3J7pi&dispatch=5885d80a13c0db1fc53a056acd1538874a43d73a07f26b2cc3a8a5dff46470e3
The Nurturing Network
https://www.givedirect.org/give/givefrm.asp?CID=1163&Name=The+Nurturing+Network&FURL=http%3A//www.nurtur
National Life Center
http://www.nationallifecenter.com/helpus.htm
By Mail:
Birthright International
777 Coxwell Avenue
Toronto, Ontario, M4C 3C6
Canada
Terry Weaver, U.S. National Director
Birthright U.S.A. National Office
P.O. Box 98363
Atlanta, GA 30359-2063
USA
Lifecall Shelters (Maternity homes)
SEVERAL SOURCES FOUNDATION
P. O. BOX 150
RAMSEY, NEW JERSEY 07446
“If Dr. Tiller was dependent on another person’s body against his/her will…”
I’ve emboldened the portion which makes absolutely no sense, and I’ll also explain why.
How many women changed their minds on the table and were held down (yes, it happens). By your logic, if at any time this woman changed her mind while Dr. Tiller happened to be in the middle of a procedure and invading a woman’s uterus, she would’ve been well within her rights to kill him. Would you still follow that this would be acceptable or appropriate?
A fetal human doesn’t just sneak up on some unsuspecting woman while they’re asleep and hop inside. They’re PLACED there, and if they’re being aborted, MOST of the time, they were PLACED THERE WILLINGLY by the parents. I don’t know about you, but I’d be rather bent out of shape if someone caused me to be in a place where I could only obtain sustenance and oxygen from that person, AND THEN decided they didn’t really FEEL like providing it to me, so they came in and shot me in the head, and all just so they could have 30 minutes of fun or so. Oh, and to keep it accurate, it’d be my mother or someone she hired to kill me. NOW THAT’S CLASSY!
And no one has addressed my former question: “Where, apart from inside the womb, is that or has that EVER been considered an acceptable practice (for parents)?”
I am prolife and I will not be giving any money to Roeder’s defense fund.
Killing to prove killing is wrong does not make sense, and I’m sure most of the people here would agree with me.
Xalisae, you GO girl. For some reason, I thought you were African American. But it’s still nice to have a person of (some) color here.
To those that are against the stalking and harassing of clients and blocking of access to clinics that you are convinced goes on during the 40 Days, I urge you to please be sure and capture this behavior on video!!
Let’s see it.
xalisae- If that were to happen, the patient has every right to defend herself using any means possible. Forced abortion is just as unacceptable as forced pregnancy.
Consent to sex does not equal consent to pregnancy and, even if it did, consent can be withdrawn. If I consent to sex, and then withdraw consent later on during the act, the person that I’m having sex with must stop. The same concept can apply to pregnancy.
Hey carla – maybe you should edit out people calling KushielsMoon a blinded soul, or deriding me for being a “kid right out of high school”, then. If, you know, we’re all engaging with each other based on our ideas, and not personally attacking each other.
Maybe ‘prochoicegal’ would like to explain why all the post-viablitity abortions Tiller did weren’t murder? Or why Tiller used reasons such as ‘financial hardship’ or ’emotional stress’ as medical reasons for murdering otherwise healthy full term infants? Not for convenience, eh? Tiller himself said viability wasnt a fixed point in time. Therefore i question HIS viability-was he in fact murdered or just the victim of a really late term abortion? Hey, lets ask the numerous women who died under Tillers care, shall we? Nevermind-he paid off their families and most of the Kansas supreme court to cover his crimes. Tell me, Reema, was Tiller ever up on charges during his long and illlustrious career? Youre welcome to prove that he wasnt-good luck rewriting history. Since you hope to follow in his footsteps and make a living killing babies, im sure youll get quite practiced at coverups, as he did. Thanks for proving my point-when it swings the other way life is suddenly quite valuable, isnt it? As long as that life supports your view and your idea of ‘choice.’ Save your spit for the praying people, since they are such a threat to your culture of death. So, again I ask, what about the babies he murdered with no anesthesia who were WELL past the bogus definition of when a fetus can feel pain? What about him tearing their arms and legs from their bodies while they were fully conscious? Go ahead and tell the nice people here what a hero Tiller was. The facts are easily googled by anyone from either side of the debate. You say you support the choices of women? Well, some of us choose to exercise our constitutionally GUARANTEED right to assemble peaceably. And you WILL NOT interfere with that choice. Clear?
“If Dr. Tiller was dependent on another person’s body against his/her will…”
X, I’m not sure how to bold, because that one also baffled me. Actually, I would argue that Tiller was dependent on another person’s body against his/her will. Let’s face it, Tiller didn’t do anything but abortion. His “livelihood” (literally the income that kept him alive) was based on abortion, especially late-term abortion. I can guarantee that the late-term babies that he killed had their bodies violated by him against their wills. Survival, the will to live, is one of the most basic instincts in both humans and animals. That instinct doesn’t instill itself as a child passes through the birth canal.
Let’s say you buy into the argument that first trimester pregnancies don’t involve babies because they can’t survive outside of the womb, believing instead that there’s a magic day when they magically develop enough to be called babies. (yes, yes, I know, “birth”, which is itself massively arbitrary. If a c-section is scheduled for a Friday instead of a Wednesday, the child exists for two fewer days?) Still, Tiller preyed on women with late-term pregnancies. Some of these babies could have survived out of the womb, but they had their bodies shredded by Tiller. He definitely did not get their informed consents.
Except for extremely rare circumstances, a baby dependent on his/her mother left the mother alive after the pregnancy. The same can’t be said of the babies upon whom Tiller was dependent for his life.
There is nothing about a pregnancy that is forced, pcgal. A human child grows without force. Of course you do have to forcefully dilate the cervix and suction out the baby in pieces during an abortion. Maybe that is what you mean.
Hey radiofree,
So you aren’t in high school? Just doin my job and I assure you I edit enough prolifers comments too.
I am glad you are here. And you too pcgal. You keep us on our toes.
“If that were to happen, the patient has every right to defend herself using any means possible. Forced abortion is just as unacceptable as forced pregnancy.”
Ok, so we’ll just wait until the baby that was scheduled to be killed on Monday is old enough to testify at Roeder’s trial and have him/her there. You should really join his defense team, because that’s brilliant.
“Consent to sex does not equal consent to pregnancy and, even if it did, consent can be withdrawn. If I consent to sex, and then withdraw consent later on during the act, the person that I’m having sex with must stop. The same concept can apply to pregnancy.”
Sorry, I didn’t realize that individual preference and consent should supercede the law of the land. In that case, I consent to drive drunk, but if I get into an accident and cause someone’s death, I’m gonna withdraw my consent to be prosecuted, because I didn’t sign up for any of that b.s.! Crying about “consent” does not remove one from a position of culpability. If I check into a hotel I can’t leave a couple hours from check-out time and cancel my credit card payment because hey, I consented to stay there, but I didn’t consent to pay, right?! You people reveal yourselves for the immature, hedonistic narcissists you really are with everything you say.
Thats classic victim feminism, Carla. I wrote a blog post on that very rhetoric recently
http://dontbuytheabortionlie.blogspot.com/2010/02/feminist-rhetoric-hypocrisy-and.html
To summarize victim feminism-completely narcissitic, self-centered, never accountable for ones own actions and someone else is always to blame. Same talking point she repeats ad nauseum on Twitter-forced pregnancy is slavery-translation: holding people accountable for their own actions doesnt fit her agenda. Saying no was inconvenient but abortion IS convenient, and babies get underfoot where narcissits are concerned. Since self-centeredness is the cornerstone of radical feminism, anything that gets in the way of whatever pleasure they are seeking at the moment is expendable, their own children included. Lovely philosphy, isnt it?
Thats classic victim feminism, Carla. I wrote a blog post on that very rhetoric recently
http://dontbuytheabortionlie.blogspot.com/2010/02/feminist-rhetoric-hypocrisy-and.html
To summarize victim feminism-completely narcissitic, self-centered, never accountable for ones own actions and someone else is always to blame. Same talking point she repeats ad nauseum on Twitter-forced pregnancy is slavery-translation: holding people accountable for their own actions doesnt fit her agenda. Saying no was inconvenient but abortion IS convenient, and babies get underfoot where narcissists are concerned. Since self-centeredness is the cornerstone of radical feminism, anything that gets in the way of whatever pleasure they are seeking at the moment is expendable, their own children included. Lovely philosphy, isnt it?
xalisae-
“You people reveal yourselves for the immature, hedonistic narcissists you really are with everything you say.”
If you find the need for consent immature, then please don’t have sex until you understand the importance of it.
carla-
“There is nothing about a pregnancy that is forced, pcgal.”
If you require a woman to go through a pregnancy by law, then you are forcing her. If she has no other option, then you are forcing her.
Jill Guidry-
“Therefore i question HIS viability-was he in fact murdered or just the victim of a really late term abortion?”
Thank you for making it clear that you support murder. Not very “pro-life”.
“Well, some of us choose to exercise our constitutionally GUARANTEED right to assemble peaceably. And you WILL NOT interfere with that choice. Clear?”
While stalking women is far from what I’d call “peaceful”, I never said anything about interfering (legally) with the 40 days for lies.
Avoiding the questions i asked about Tiller, PC? Was he or was he not up on charges more than once? And what about the late term abortions i described? Tell us all why those werent murder. Go on, we will wait.
And when exactly did i say i approved of Tiller being murdered? Im using your own rhetoric against you. Sounds pretty stupid doesnt it?
And when exactly did i say i approved of Tiller being murdered? Im using your own rhetoric against you. Straight out of Alinsky. Now you realize how stupid it is to defend murder. Wake up.
If you can’t understand that certain actions have certain results, and that you should at least to some degree EXPECT those results when engaging in those actions, then please don’t ever have sex.
Drats. I want to fly through sheer willpower, but gravity and physics are forcing me to just walk. Meanies. Simple biological principles which should be applied in to social law are not “force”. Your desire to do as you please without consequences at the cost of someone else’s life is the epitome of self-centered childishness.
Jill Guidry
Antis accused Dr. Tiller of doing a lot of things. That doesn’t mean that he was guilty.
Abortion isn’t murder for the same reason that self defense isn’t murder. As long as the fetus resides in a person’s body, that person has the right to remove it from her body. It’s a violation of her liberty and her bodily autonomy to force her through the pregnancy against her wishes.
x, they consented to the behavior that causes pregnancy, therefore they consented to the possibility of pregnancy. Feminists love to play the helpless hothouse flower when it suits their agenda. Fourth graders know where babies come from. So do they. No excuses and no justification for murdering the unborn.
And no one has addressed my former question: “Where, apart from inside the womb, is that or has that EVER been considered an acceptable practice (for parents to end their child’s life)?”
Posted by: xalisae at February 17, 2010 3:27 PM
Still, no answer.
Abortion isn’t murder for the same reason that self defense isn’t murder. As long as the fetus resides in a person’s body, that person has the right to remove it from her body. It’s a violation of her liberty and her bodily autonomy to force her through the pregnancy against her wishes.
Posted by: ProChoiceGal at February 17, 2010 4:56 PM
Except for the fact you’re conveniently ignoring, that this fetal human isn’t just some random fellow off the street. If you check this individual’s genetics, you’ll see that Ohhh…he/she is related to the mother! It’s actually…HER CHILD! Now, once again, WHERE OTHER THAN IN THE WOMB IS IT A LEGALLY OR MORALLY ACCEPTABLE PRACTICE FOR A PARENT TO KILL THEIR CHILD?!
Same old schtick youve been repeating for months on Twitter, pc. Tiller was accused in a court of law, not by the ‘bad old antis’ you blalyme everything for. Bodily autonomy is irrelevant when you are violating the body of another by tearing them limb from limb. Autonomy could only exist if you lived alone on a private island anyway. Your bodily autonomy ends where the body of another begins-namely that of your unborn child. Now answer the question-WHY WERE THE BABIES TILLER KILLED POST VIABILITY NOT MURDERED. Quit deflecting or give up. (key words in PCs comment-its against HER its about HER same old stripping the unborn of his/her humanity) tell me PCgal when does life begin?
xalisae-
It doesn’t matter if it’s a fetus/baby/child/whatever. It’s a moot point. It still doesn’t have the right to occupy a person’s body against her will.
I’m not talking about killing children. How about I ask you this: When, other than when referring to abortion, do people find it morally okay to use a person’s body against her will?
Guidry-
“x, they consented to the behavior that causes pregnancy, therefore they consented to the possibility of pregnancy.”
If you were consistent in your logic, you’d also support rape when a person consents to sex and then takes away consent during the act. Do you support rape? (sadly, it wouldn’t surprise me if you did)
By consenting to sex, a woman isn’t consenting to pregnancy. Even if she were consenting to pregnancy, she has the right to withdraw consent. Also, this is a silly point considering the fact that most of you probably support forcing rape victims through pregnancies, as well. Consent means nothing to you.
raise your hand if you’re not able to read. so is that everyone here basically, yes. okay, jill you got a situation if your fans can’t even read.
color me immature. i could care less.
Posted by: fiuicikiyioiu at February 17, 2010 4:51 PM
Just another example of the intolerance of the so-called tolerant and bastians for free speech and rights (so as long as your free speech supports their political beliefs)
Same old tired assuming that everyone supports rape-same old rape rhetoric you ALWAYS use-you have already assumed-how typical-no i do NOT support rape and youll be hard pressed to find any woman who does. And now youll try the fetus as rapist cliches. Quit playing dum and trying to pretend you dont know where babies come from. And quit trying to equate the unborn with rapist-rape is an act of violent intent-an unborn child did not ask to be conceived and intends no harm-unless by YOUR logic the desire to survive counts as harm. Youve had this same convo with Schlenker about 500000 times and you never say anything new. Now answer the question about why the babies Tiller murdered post viability werent murdered and quit changing the subject, otherwise ill take your refusal to answer as your answer-that you cant answer because Tiller was in fact guilty of murder.
Guidry-
“Tiller was accused in a court of law, not by the ‘bad old antis’ you blalyme everything for.”
Yes, he was accused in a court of law. That doesn’t mean that he was guilty.
” Autonomy could only exist if you lived alone on a private island anyway.”
If you don’t believe in bodily autonomy, then why is rape wrong (assuming that you believe rape is wrong)
“Now answer the question-WHY WERE THE BABIES TILLER KILLED POST VIABILITY NOT MURDERED.”
I already answered that question. Try reading again :)
“key words in PCs comment-its against HER its about HER”
Yes, it’s about the person carrying the fetus to me. It’s not about me, it’s not about you, it’s about her.
“tell me PCgal when does life begin?”
It doesn’t matter. It doesn’t matter if the fetus is or isn’t alive, it still doesn’t have the right to occupy a person’s body against her will. Rapists are alive, but they don’t have the right to use people’s bodies against their wills.
Intent or lack or intent doesn’t give anyone the right to use another person’s body against her will. I’ll keep on repeating it until you listen.
Once again, I already answered that question. Here, I’ll copy and paste my answer for you (even though you’re still going to accuse me of not answering you after I post this ;))
“Abortion isn’t murder for the same reason that self defense isn’t murder. As long as the fetus resides in a person’s body, that person has the right to remove it from her body. It’s a violation of her liberty and her bodily autonomy to force her through the pregnancy against her wishes.”
It most certainly DOES matter-we are talking about the life of another human being being snuffed out. Same old 70s talking points again-you forget weve heard them all ad infinitum. Now, why was it ok for Tiller to dismember those post viability healthy full term babies? Quit lying and deflecting and accusing this fictional bucnh of ‘antis’ you blame for your own lack of accountability and PROVE Tiller wasnt a murderer.
“antis lie’ isnt proof. Its opinion-your opinion. Opinions arent facts.
pcgal,
You really are quite comical. You realize you are talking about a mother’s child, right? You are saying this “thing” doesn’t have a right to live off it’s mother? Like it was some parasite or something?
HE OR SHE IS A CHILD!!! THE MOTHER’S CHILD!!! ARE YOU SERIOUSLY THAT HARD-HEARTED AND EMOTIONALLY DEAD???
I’m sorry, it’s not comical.
You have no idea how much darkness you are in.
God have mercy.
pcgal,
You really are quite comical. You realize you are talking about a mother’s child, right? You are saying this “thing” doesn’t have a right to live off it’s mother? Like it was some parasite or something?
HE OR SHE IS A CHILD!!! THE MOTHER’S CHILD!!! ARE YOU SERIOUSLY THAT HARD-HEARTED AND EMOTIONALLY DEAD???
I’m sorry, it’s not comical.
You have no idea how much darkness you are in.
God have mercy.
raise your hand if you’re not able to read. so is that everyone here basically, yes. okay, jill you got a situation if your fans can’t even read.
color me immature. i could care less.
Just another example of the intolerance of the so-called tolerant and bastians for free speech and rights (so as long as your free speech and rights supports their political agenda)
So when does life begin, PC? When did your life begin?
Posted by: ProChoiceGal at February 17, 2010 4:56 PM
1. “Antis accused Dr. Tiller of doing a lot of things. That doesn’t mean that he was guilty.”
2. “Abortion isn’t murder for the same reason that self defense isn’t murder.”
3. “It’s a violation of her liberty and her bodily autonomy to force her through the pregnancy against her wishes.”
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ProChoice[for dead babies]Gal,
If I were opposd to rape would that make me ‘anti-choic’ in the eyes of the rapists.
1. George Tiller publiclly stated that he had personally performed more than 60,000 abortions.
Some of those procedures were ‘illegal’ under Kansas State law.
George Tiller is NOT innocent.
Many of the the prenatal childeren that Tiller killed were post viable. Again this is was what Tiller proudly claimed, not some false accusation.
These were homicides.
Now we can quibble over just exactly what category of homicide these acts of violence fall under but there is no question, they were homicides.
“Homicide is the killing of a human being by the act, procurement, or omission of another, death occurring at any time, and is either (1) murder, (2) homicide by abuse, (3) manslaughter, (4) excusable homicide, or (5) justifiable homicide.”
These are ‘legal’ definitions, not Merriam Webster.
2. For Tiller to be able to avail himself of the ‘excusable’ or ‘justifiable’ homicide defense he would have to demonstrate that there was other option available to him to save the life of the pregant woman.
You cannot use lethal force to against a trespasser unless you can demonstrate that she/he possessed the means and the intent to cause you grave bodily injury or kill you. You would have to prove that you feared for your life.
You would even have a more difficult time proving your case if you invited the trespasser into your home or offered no resistance to his/her entrance.
A peace officer cannot use lethal force unless he believes his or another person’s life is in immediate danger.
Tiller cannot make any of these arguments.
“Abortion” means any medical treatment intended to induce the termination of a pregnancy except for the purpose of producing a live birth.”
3. Just ‘who’ exactly is forcing the pregnant woman to remain pregnant. Are you suggesting that the prenatal child is holding a gun to his/her mother’s head. If that were the case then the ‘justifiable/excusable’ homicide thing might kick in. But then you would have to establish there was no other alternative to eliminate the threat except by using lethal force.
Again, a hard case to make.
Now, here is a question that even a fifth grader can anser correctly, though our bumbling buffoon of a president says it is above his pay grade:
ProChoice[for a dead baby]Gal,
When your momma was pregnant with you what species of embryo/fetus was present in her uterus?
You can ask a fifth grader, male or female.
yor bro ken
Guidry-
Like I said before, it doesn’t make a bit of difference when we’re discussing whether or not a fetus should have the right to occupy a person’s body against her will. If a fetus isn’t alive, it should not have this right. If it is alive, it still shouldn’t have this right.
I am a university student. I guess you could call me right out of high school – I graduated in 2008.
I guess you could call Ms. Stanek a “grown woman” and a “supposedly ‘professional’ blogger”, which is all I called her.
radiofree.tumblr.com/post/395132370/grow-up-jill-if-you-a-grown-woman-and-a
Hmm.
Bravo, Ken. I couldn’t have said it any better myself.
It shouldnt have this right because a few Feminists say so? Because you say so? How exactly does that prove abortion isnt murder? I didnt like your attitude so i shot you-is that murder? It isnt cause i said so. You are really reaching now. ‘It doesnt matter when life beings.’ Uh, sorry, it DOES matter when you take the life of another. That makes you a murderer. No matter their location or age. You can strip the unborn of their humanity and rename them (parasite, rapist etc) all you want-that does not supplant the act of murder, nor does it justify it. Now, what about those full term healthy babies? Tillers says in his own words on his own website that a woman may be experiencing stress because of pregnancy-there are even audio clips of him saying this. So when he pulled the arms of babies days from birth this was not murder how, exactly? This was equal rights to do this to another without benefit of anesthesia how, exactly? cause you say so? Youre gonna have to do better than that. Quit talking in circles and repeating the same old lines verbatim as you do with Schlenker. How is taking the life of another regardless of whether they are in utero or not not murder? And please do explain why Tiller was up on charges, and for what? By the way, your admission that the fetus is indeed alive is already admission that killing him/her is murder. Youre getting there.
To Jill Guidry and others:
if you have anymore questions, there’s a 99% chance that I’ve already answered them in prior posts, so go ahead and look through those if you really care for my answer. :)
The following are excertps taken from the transcript of testimony given by late term post viable ‘partial birth’ abortionist specialist Leroy Carhart under oath in a court of law.
My comments are in [brackets]:
Question: Are there times when you don’t remove the [human] fetus intact?
Carhart: Yes, sir.
Question: What do you do then?
Carhart: My normal course would be to dismember that extremity and then go back and try to take the [human] fetus out either foot or skull first, whatever end I can get to first.
Question: How do you go about dismembering that extremity?
Carhart: Just traction and rotation, grasping the portion that you can get a hold of which would be usually somewhere up the shaft of the exposed portion of the [human] fetus, pulling down on it through the os, using the internal os as your counter-traction and rotating to dismember the shoulder or the hip or whatever it would be. Sometimes you will get one leg and you can’t get the other leg out.
Question: In that situation, are you, when you pull on the arm and remove it, is the [human] fetus still alive?
Carhart: Yes
Question: Do you consider an arm, for example, to be a substantial portion of the [human] fetus?
Carhart: In the way I read it, I think if I lost my arm, that would be a substantial loss to me. I think I would have to interpret it that way.
Question: At what point is the [human] fetus…does the [human] fetus die during that process?
Carhart: I don’t really know. I know that the [human] fetus is alive during the process most of the time because I can see fetal heartbeat on the ultrasound.
The Court: Counsel, for what it’s worth, it still is unclear to me with regard to the intact D&E when [human] fetal demise occurs.
Question: Okay, I will try to clarify that. In the procedure of an intact D&E where you would start foot first, with the situation where the [human] fetus is presented feet first, tell me how you are able to get the feet out first.
Carhart: Under ultrasound, you can see the extremities. You know what is what. You know what the foot is, you know, what the arm is, you know, what the skull is. By grabbing the feet and pulling down on it or by grabbing a knee and pulling down on it, usually you can get one leg out, get the other leg out and bring the [human] fetus out. I don’t know where this…all the controversy about rotating the [human] fetus comes from. I don’t attempt to do that. I just attempt to bring out whatever is the proximal portion of the [human] fetus.
Question: At the time that you bring out the feet in this example, is the [human] fetus still alive?
Carhart: Yes.
Question: Then what’s the next step you do?
Carhart: I didn’t mention it. I should. I usually attempt to grasp the cord first and divide the cord, if I can do that.
Question: Let’s take the situation where you haven’t divided the cord because you couldn’t, and you have begun to remove a living [human] fetus feet first. What happens next after you have gotten the feet removed?
Carhart: We remove the feet and continue with traction on the feet until the abdomen and the thorax came through the cavity. At that point, I would try … you have to bring the shoulders down, but you can get enough of them outside, you can do this with your finger outside of the uterus, and then at that point the [human] fetal … the base of the [human] fetal skull is usually in the cervical canal.
Question: What do you do next?
Carhart: And you can reach that, and that’s where you would rupture the [human] fetal skull to some extent and aspirate the contents out.
[In laymens turns he uses a powerful vacuum to suck the brains out while in some cases the human fetus is still shows ‘evidence of life’]
Question: At what point in that process does [human] fetal demise occur between initial remove…removal of the feet or legs and the crushing of the skull, or I’m sorry, the decompressing of the skull?
Carhart: Well, you know, again, this is where I’m not sure what [human] fetal demise is. I mean, I honestly have to share your concern, your Honor. You can remove the cranial contents and the [human] fetus will still have a heartbeat for several seconds or several minutes, so is the [human] fetus alive? I would have to say probably, although I don’t think it has any brain function, so it’s brain dead at that point.
Question: So the brain death might occur when you begin suctioning out of the cranium?
Carhart: I think brain death would occur because the suctioning to remove contents is only two or three seconds, so somewhere in that period of time, obviously not when you penetrate the skull, because people get shot in the head and they don’t die immediately from that, if they are going to die at all, so that probably is not sufficient to kill the [human] fetus, but I think removing the brain contents eventually will.
Later, under cross examination from the Attorney General’s counsel, Carhart stated:
“My intent in every abortion I have ever done is to kill the [human] fetus and terminate the pregnancy.”
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My editorial comments are in brackets. If you object to the word ‘human’ preceding ‘fetus’, then please tell me when and where in history a woman has conceived, gestated, or birthed any other species.
When your momma was pregant with you, what species of embryo/fetus was present in her uterus?
Elective abortion, where the embryo/fetus is still alive, is by definition ‘homicide’. It may be legal, but it is none the less ‘homicide’.
yor bro ken
Yes. And genetic relation, specifically parent to child, DOES have everything to do with it. If I invite a stranger into my home, then decide I don’t want them there, I’d be well within my rights to tell them to leave, and force them to do so.
HOWEVER:
If one day I decided I no longer consent to housing my children, and kick them out of my house in the middle of a blizzard, and then they die, you’d better believe I’d be charged with SOMETHING.
Dont bother, Ken, shes busy trashing us on twitter right not trying to get approval from her proabort pals so she can avoid answering
http://twitter.com/prochoicegal
Disclaimer: In the interest of time and effort I did ‘cut and paste’ my comment at 5:54 from a word doc I have saved.
But it is stil no less accurate and true.
yor bro ken
Yeah. No basis for her argument, so now, TO THE HUGBOX! I NEED VALIDATION!
She heard her mother calling or she just remembered she had to schedule her brain surgery for in the morning or surprise surprise, it is 6:05pm and she has to take her meds.
yor bro ken
Got a challenge for you PC gal-i dare you to tel Jill Stanek that the babies she comforted while they were dying after attempts to kill them via abortion werent crimes, and say it right here. Then go on to tell her what a liar she is-you know, like you constantly do behind her back on Twitter. Woman up and do it. I dare you. Jill’s testimony is public record-in a court of law. Go and and tell her. You havent got the guts. She has witnessed abortions. Have you?
Behind her back? I usually @ reply her. That’s not really “behind her back”.
Ken- my meds? Very mature of you.
You’re all acting just as I expected. I leave for a minute and I come back and you’ve resulted to childish insults. Good job. ;)
x-exactly-bragging that she answered and the mean old anits just wont accept her answer-’cause i said so’ isnt exactly high school debate tactics is it, LOL. Same old same old. I have to leave for Mass soon, im sure shell get some mileage out of that on Twitter-‘oh they gave up, my intellectual integrity was too much for them.’ Stil waiting on her proabort pal kushie the moonbat to post those scriptures in which Christ condones abortion, too. Could be a long wait yall. Yawning.
You’re all acting just as I expected. I leave for a minute and I come back and you’ve resulted to childish insults. Good job. ;)
Posted by: ProChoiceGal at February 17, 2010 6:09 PM
As opposed to your oh-so-mature childish insults on twitter rather than here. Spare me. 9_9
Uh, no you dont-esp because you know i blocked you a long time ago for lying and saying i called you a raghead. Remember that. oh honest one? Now tell us when life begins-if you can, and why it was ok for Tiller to kill post viability babies for no health reasons, and why Jill Stanek is a liar. Oh and you broke you word again-remember ‘Im never talking to antis again?’ Youre a paragon of honesty arent you. Lulz.
Hmm, nope, I looked through my tweets and I can’t find any insults. You must be thinking about someone else.
Posted by: ProChoiceGal at February 17, 2010 6:09 PM
“You’re all acting just as I expected. I leave for a minute and I come back and you’ve resulted to childish insults. Good job. ;)”
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When you make some adult statements I will give you some adult insults if you think you are mature enough to understand and handle them.
ProChoice[for a dead baby]Gal,
When your momma was pregnant with you what species of embryo/fetus was present in her uterus?
You can ask a fifth grader, male or female.
yor bro ken
Dont bother pc-Jill has seen your tweets with no @ too-as i recall youve been called out on that several times already, that and rewording tweets and then RTing them. Now, answer the questions or admit you cant.
Oh wait, you liberal feministas don’t do ‘mature’, do you?
yor bro ken
1) It wasn’t you that called me a raghead, it was a different anti. I never said that it was you.
2) I never said that I wouldn’t talk to antis again, I said that I’d never talk to childish antis again. Sadly, I broke that promise, too. ;)
Why are you throwing a fit about my RTs again? I reword them sometimes, but I do not change the meaning. Why is that a big deal?
I’ve answered your questions. Go back to my other posts and actually read my answers this time,maybe?
riiight…now answer the questions or admit u cant-quit playing games
Why are you throwing a fit about my RTs again? I reword them sometimes, but I do not change the meaning. Why is that a big deal? No one has ever “called me out” on not @ replying Stanek, btw.
I’ve answered your questions. Go back to my other posts and actually read my answers this time,maybe?
@ProChoiceGal:
The following is long, but bear with me.
Like I said before, it doesn’t make a bit of difference when we’re discussing whether or not a fetus should have the right to occupy a person’s body against her will. If a fetus isn’t alive, it should not have this right. If it is alive, it still shouldn’t have this right.
Let’s grant this argument to you for a second. All of that would only apply to a woman who is pregnant because of sex that occured against her will, so you could argue a rape exception. In every case of consentual sex that results in pregnancy, the person who is being killed in an abortion is in the picture as a direct result of actions taken by the pregnant woman, with her knowledge and consent. Thus, it is wrong to kill that child.
That’s assuming that one granted that argument. One does not need to justify rape, however, to determine that abortion is a moral wrong. To get there, it is important to question why killing an innocent human is a moral wrong in the first place. And to do that, one has to establish how a moral wrong is determined to begin with.
Assuming an areligious discussion of morality, in general, moral wrongs tend to hang on a continuum of “badness” based on two criteria. The first is the permanance of the consequences of that action. The second is how significantly the victim or victims, and any other relevant parties are affect by those consequences. So, if I were to steal $50 from Carla, that would be bad. If I stole Xalisae’s car, that would be much worse. The car is both more valuable and the loss of it will very likely affect Xalisae to a much greater degree than the loss of $50 would Carla. So, now that we’ve established moral wrongs, we apply this principle to the killing of an innocent human being.
The killing of a human being deprives the human of their life, which is essentially the upper limit of effect and permanance that the consequences of any moral wrong can have on a victim. The human in question is deprived of, not only their present life, but all of their future life and all future possibility of pleasure or happiness or experience, as well. Thus, killing a human is not only a moral wrong, but one of the worst moral wrongs, if not the absolute worst, period. Broadening this principle, one can see why killing is percieved by many as the worst possible crime, since that future is totally lost. It also allows for the defense of the lives of non-humans with valuable future lives, such as dolphins. Furthermore, it differentiates those lives from the lives of creatures like chickens, whose experiences and lives never approach anything such as “happiness” or “pleasure.” Killing in self-defense or defense of others is also an arguable exception under this principle, when it is required. And it allows for the wrongness of killing infants, newborns, and the unborn–all regardless of how self-aware or developed or whathaveyou they are–because they also have a future of value, just like anyone else would.
Taken together, these two principles make both abortion and rape moral wrongs for exactly the same reasons. In both cases, the victim is profoundly and permanently affect and in both cases the victim’s future is permanently affected.
To cite my sources, my intial encounter with this argument, with a similar application, was here.
I read them. No answers there. Do you defend Tiller killing post viability infants in the manner in which he did? And Jill has already seen you call her a liar on Twitter, are you gonna own up to it here, or will you lie about it? Quit deflecting in order to buy time. Answer. Now. When does life begin?
ProChoice[for a dead baby]Gal,
You liberal feministas don’t do ‘promises’i either?
Still out on the broken limb and can’t figure out how to get down?
Not to worry. Just latch onto the ‘truth’ rope and we will pull you down.
yor bro ken
Infancy is defined as the first year of extrauterine life. Dr. Tiller killed no infants.
Yes, I’ve called Stanek a liar before. I don’t see why this surprises you. It’s not something that I’m trying to hide.
Nothing surprises me where youre concerned, believe me. So, you know more about abortion than a nurse who has actually witnessed it how, exacty? And you still havent answered my questions. Your refusal to answer speaks volumes. Off to Mass, which you will of course claim as victory. Have fun with her, the rest of you. Get ready for LOTS of repeating and no basis for argument. See ya.
ProChoice[for a dead baby]Gal,
When your momma was pregnant with you what species of embryo/fetus was present in her uterus?
You can ask a fifth grader, male or female.
I don’t know how to make this any less complicate for you.
Maybe if I illustrated it for you like in one those childrens books?
Or connect the dots.
Do you need some crayolas?
Don’t worry a soft damp cloth and little rubbing will clean it off your screeeny thingy.
yor bro ken
I never said that I knew more or less about abortion than Stanek does. I don’t know where you got that from. Again, I answered your questions, you just don’t want to read my answers.
“Off to Mass, which you will of course claim as victory.”
Funny, because every time I leave, you claim victory. I’m more mature than that. This isn’t about winning or losing an argument for me.
ProChoice[for a dead baby]Gal,
You are probably humblest person you know, aren’t you?
When your momma was pregnant with you what species of embryo/fetus was present in her uterus?
You can ask a fifth grader, male or female.
ProChoice[for a dead baby]Gal,
When your momma was pregnant with you what species of embryo/fetus was present in her uterus?
Are there some multisyllable words in the question with which you are unfamiliar?
yor bro ken
Oh, and thanks for putting me down for offering to adopt a baby slated for abortion tomorrow, pc, that was mighty big of you. I notice you cheered when she announced she was going to abort. Stay classy.
The pro aborts hate 40 days for Life because LIVES do get saved. Babies are allowed to be born and to be loved and cherished. Women are spared the agony and pain of abortion that would creep up years later. Employees break free (like Abby Johnson) and leave the death clinics behind. Death mills are permanently closed.
One Wednesday down, 6 more to go for me.
Why do pro aborts HATE alternatives? Why do they hate adoption or parenthood?
And tiller did kill preborn infants, many of those unborn babies were near their due dates. You don’t **magically** become a baby as you are born, you are already a baby before birth.
ProChoice[for a dead baby]Gal,
I suspect that even being the humblest person you know it is still difficult to acknowledge your ignorance.
Being the sensitive and helpful person I am I included the definitions to the big words.
I know these defintions contain even more polysyllablic terms but if it hurts your little noggin you can ask your momma to kiss it and make it better and help you understand.
The definition for ‘momma’ is two syllable but I believe even you can figure it out.
pregnant: containing a developing embryo, fetus, or unborn offspring within the body : gravid
species: a category of biological classification ranking immediately below the genus or subgenus, comprising related organisms or populations potentially capable of interbreeding, and being designated by a binomial that consists of the name of a genus followed by a Latin or latinized uncapitalized noun or adjective agreeing grammatically with the genus name (2) : an individual or kind belonging to a biological species.
embryo : a vertebrate at any stage of development prior to birth or hatching b : an animal in the early stages of growth and differentiation that are characterized by cleavage, the laying down of fundamental tissues, and the formation of primitive organs and organ systems; especially : the developing human individual from the time of implantation to the end of the eighth week after conception.
fetus: an unborn or unhatched vertebrate especially after attaining the basic structural plan of its kind; specifically : a developing human from usually two months after conception to birth.
uterus: a muscular organ of the female mammal for containing and usually for nourishing the young during development prior to birth —called also womb.
momma: mother.
When your momma was pregnant with you what species of embryo/fetus was present in her uterus?
yor bro ken
I cheered for her? I told her that her Twitter family would be here for her and I wished her good luck. If that’s cheering, then yeah, I guess I “cheered” for her.
LizFromNebraska- Take it up with the medical dictionary, not with me. According to the medical dictionary, infancy is defined as the first year of extrauterine life.
Ken- Very cute. ;)
ProChoice[for a dead baby]Gal,
syllogism: a deductive scheme of a formal argument consisting of a major and a minor premise and a conclusion (as in “every virtue is laudable; kindness is a virtue; therefore kindness is laudabable)
If a=b and b=c then a=c.
The law of biogenisis states that living things only reproduce what they are.
Or to put it another way felines do not conceive and give birth to canines.
Or If a woman is a homo sapien and homo sapiens only conceive and give birth to homo sapiens, then the embryo/fetus in your momma’s uterus when she was pregnant with you was ‘homo sapien’, aka human being.
If killing a human being is ‘homocide’ and the embryo/fetus in a pregnant woman’s uterus is a ‘human being’, then abortion is ‘homicide’.
While you were still enutero what species were you?
yor bro ken
ProChoice[for a dead baby]Gal,
Cute or not, you still have not answered the ‘question’.
Insults aside, if you have the minimum intelligence required to navigate the internet, then you can answer the question.
And I do not believe for a second your momma is helping you navigate.
yor bro ken
Now, once again, WHERE OTHER THAN IN THE WOMB IS IT A LEGALLY OR MORALLY ACCEPTABLE PRACTICE FOR A PARENT TO KILL THEIR CHILD?!
Posted by: xalisae at February 17, 2010 5:03 PM
Still waiting. You answered my question with a question, which wasn’t even a relevant question to what we are talking about.
“Consent to sex does not equal consent to pregnancy”
-ProChoiceGal
I’m late to this discussion and I don’t have the time to read through all the responses so I will only comment on the above quote. I will ignore the numerous fallacies you are espousing about human life and personhood.
Basically you are saying that for a fertile couple, the decision to have sex is not a decision to have a child.
Of course you WILL then rally for abolishing all child support laws right?
I’m just spitballing here but ProCoiceGal, answer me this.
During a partial birth abortion, the baby is almost completely delivered out of the womb. Only the head is left inside the mother. So, the legs and arms are hanging outside the womb. The abortionist would then plunge scissors into the skull of the partially delivered baby killing it.
1.Is the result of this gruesome procedure the intentional killing of a human being?
2.Is the human being who is killed a person? OR Maybe only half a person because part of the baby is still inside the womb?
PC Gal,
Prolifers are prorape? Hardly.
I have been reading your blog. I understand that you have been raped and I am so very sorry. Have you had an abortion as well?
Your bitterness and anger are not fooling anyone. The pain you have experienced can be dealt with. You can get through it.
Tiller was as bad as Hitler! Too bad he never repented. May he rot in hell!
ProChoice(to dismember babies)Gal:
If you believe that a woman has the right to have her full-term child removed, fine, but why is it necessary to kill that child? Induction and/or C-section is quicker and safer, and the baby lives. So obviously you have a problem with babies living.
Tell me, are you pro-choice on child support? If a man gets a woman pregnant, but she does not want abortion, can he abort his support? Or is he responsible to provide for the child’s food and shelter as much as he possibly can? What you call “forced pregnancy,” I call child support. The mother is able to provide food and shelter for her child, and thus it should be required of her.
If a man consents to sex, but does not consent to the termination of a resulting pregnancy, has he been raped? Has he been wronged?
Can people withdraw their consent to care for their born children? In the privacy of my own home, can I stop feeding my 2-year-old daughter, whose dependency on me is such a drag? After all, she’s not a real person–she isn’t as smart or as big as me.
Wow. Looks like Carhart admits he’s killing babies. Abortionists all admit this. Just not to the women who have them. Also, I have read about plenty of abortionists who aren’t too happy about you women who have them. Abortionists have standards? Who knew? ne abortionist says it makes him mad when a woman comes in with a stupid excuse like “We are currently moving, so I can’t have this baby.”
They hate anything and everything to do with life, period!