Whoopsie: Pro-aborts plan anti- “Blacks are an endangered species” billboard presser on same day new campaign is launched in TX
I love it.
Little did the Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice know when it scheduled a press conference today at the National Press Club in DC – to decry in part the “Blacks are an endangered species” billboard campaign – that the accused would also be announcing a new billboard campaign in TX.
There’s only so much oxygen in a room, and RCRC has just lost some. (And it will lose even more when the campaign announces who is spearheading the TX campaign – a former abortionist. More on that later.) RCRC charged pro-lifers in its release:
“Right to Life” and other right-wing organizations started this irresponsible and offensive campaign to make inroads into African American communities to promote their own agenda – to ultimately overturn Roe v. Wade.
Well, duh. Darn right. Blacks need to know they’re both targets and victims of legalized abortion. As The Radiance Foundation explained in its release publicizing the new TX billboard campaign:
In the state where Roe v. Wade began and the largest abortion facility in the western hemisphere has recently opened, this billboard/web campaign exposes abortion’s destruction in the black community. The campaign’s website, www.TooManyAborted.com, provides irrefutable federal and state abortion statistics and the largely unknown history of the racism and eugenics of Planned Parenthood….
The CDC reports that African-Americans have abortions at more than 3x the rate of white women and 2x the rate of all other races combined. In TX, abortions on black women comprise nearly 25% of all state abortions even though they only constitute 12.7% of the female population (ages 15-44). Every other racial demographic shares a smaller percentage of state-wide abortions than their respective percentage of total population. All of this is by design. Abortion is being used as birth control and increasingly encouraged by groups like the RCRC and PP….
The Radiance Foundation yesterday released its 2nd “Lies” video installment, called “The Whoopi Remix.” Recall the first “Lies” video mentioned RCRC, which I’m sure aggravated the hellbent bunch.
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
After watching the RadianceFoundation’s new video, I have to say, again with the coat hanger nonsense? There was somebody on the LifeReport show (I want to say Liz) who noted that she couldn’t recall (and neither can I) any record of any person anywhere at any point ever trying to do a self abortion with a coathanger, of all things! Is there even one verifiable instance of this ever happening? ‘Cause I’m starting to think somebody made it up.
Keli,
“‘Cause I’m starting to think somebody made it up.”
The coat hanger serves as a dual metaphor. It symbolizes the dangers inherent in back alley abortions. It also serves as a metaphor for the lies that serve as the foundation of the abortion movement and industry:
The myth of the coat hanger abortion.
The denial that “front alley” abortions have killed far more women than “back alley” abortions.
The denial of the scientific truth that a new human being is created at conception.
The denial of abortions many social, psychological, gynecological, obstetrical and oncological sequellae.
The list is endless. But yes, the coat hanger is a complete fabrication.
Anonymous,
Well said about Maafa 21. I’ve purchased 20 copies so far and given them away. It is a brutally, BRUTALLY devastating documentary, every word of which is footnoted and absolutely true.
Maafa is so effective because it is rooted in FACTS. And this must be our work. Cataloging and detailing the facts with references for people to go and check for themselves.
If I may suggest a great book to follow up Maafa 21 it is Margaret Sanger’s Eugenic Legacy, by Dr. Angela Franks.
God Bless
I too have seen Maafa21 and and it makes it obvious why the pro-choice people don’t mention it. There is irrefutable evidence that even today they are the ultimate racist. Planned Parenthood is celebrating their 75th anniversary by having a “party in the park” event. It is no coincidence that the park is right in the middle of an African American neighborhood and the dj and other guest are all African Americans. Wake up people! Buy Maafa 21 and see it for yourself.
To Keli Hu
I think I understand what you are saying but, verifiable or not it doesn’t make the case for abortion. It’s like saying we must make murder of our troublesome neighbor “safe & legal” so that a person won’t be in danger of injuring themselves with the chosen instrument of destruction.
Rebecca M. Brooks
August 26th, 2010 at 11:53 am
I agree. The solution to people who are endangering themselves doing something wrong is to get them to stop doing the wrong thing, not to make it safe for them do it. It just irks me that such a ludicrous and ridiculous “factoid” keeps being touted as a real possibility when, based on any legitimate, honest research, it never even happened in the first place.
I don’t know about the “coat-hanger” stories either Keli Hu but I would like to see documentation from ERs, police reports, ob/gynes, health organizations and federal statistics on this. Dr. Nathanson a co-founder of NARAL said they lied and hyped the numbers to pass Roe vs Wade. Someone here I’m sure has the hyped numbers vs the real numbers of women who died from illegal abortions.
As a healthcare worker in ob/gyne and L & D who has done vaginal exams I can tell you the odds of thousands of women ramming coat hangers far enough into their vaginas to enter their closed cervix, suffering the excruciating pain of self-mutilating themselves to dialate their cervix open enough and still being conscious enough to mutilate their babies by ramming a coat hanger around in her uterus is extremely slim. It was difficult enough because of the pain involved to get women to relax to perform needed vaginal exams, when I was being as gentle as possible, even when they were already effacing and dialating and on a closed, thick cervix the pain was even worse. Hey Elisabeth in your experience what do you think of this story that “thousands of women tried to self-abort before Roe v Wade”? Sounds like “Lies, Lies tell me sweet little lies” to me and another case of “PP lies to you’.
Hey guys, this article is not about coathanger abortions and whether or not they were for real. It is about black genocide. Let’s see what we can do to stop it and not dwell on coathanger abortions.
According to 2005 data from the CDC, there were 633,152 African American live births in the US. According to Guttmacher, 37% of 1,206,200 aborted babies, or 446,294 were African American.
Added together, we have 1,079,446 beautiful, precious African American children conceived in 2005. Each one was uniquely created and gifted by our loving Heavenly Father to be a blessing to our planet. Doctors, athletes, accountants, teachers…
We deliberately murdered 41.3% of them in the womb!
“How is this not a crime?”, you may ask.
Because men’s hearts are evil, selfish, and easily deceived by satan and his minions into executing horrific acts against the weak and the vulnerable.
That’s why Jesus came, to set us free from the bondage of sin each one of us has been enslaved by.
He came to set the captives free, and to heal the brokenhearted.
Bless His Holy Name!
Another point that needs to be raised — a Black woman undergoing an abortion is twice as likely to DIE from complications as a White woman. Which from PP’s perspective seems like a bonus two-fer.
Aquagirl I am responding to Keli Hu’s question about the myth and lie that Whoppi Goldberg perpetrates (who is featured in this pro-life ad) that women were dying from coathanger abortions before Roe v Wade became legal and that many women would resort to this again. I believe that is a blatant lie that needs to addressed because pro-aborts like Ms. Goldberg and others who post here have touted this as a reason why abortion needs to remain legal. I do understand Radiance Foundation ads are about Black genocide and have commended them for their campaign in the past.
Now that think about it maybe that is why Elizabeth Hasselback of The View has started to vacillate on being prolife, her friendship with Whoppi may be wearing her down. Stranger things have happened , not everyone is swayed by their friend’s beliefs but there is a saying “Show me your friends and I’ll show you your future”. Just thinking, she probably spends more time with this radical liberal, pro-choice women than she does with her own family. My mom used to say “you are known by the company you keep” and “bad company corrupts good character”.
@Jill…so grateful to you for informing us on a daily basis about the utter lunacy of pro-abort propaganda and action. The Radiance Foundation has been engaged in exposing the abortion industry for years, illuminating the destruction that abortion wreaks on our entire society. Although our current billboard campaigns highlight the impact on the black community, our speaking engagements and community outreaches decry the loss of any precious life, regardless of race. The LIES videos are just a brief glimpse at the uninformed or deliberately misinforming rhetoric of pro-abort advocates. We’re just trying to highlight a few. We could do a documentary-length one on Whoopi. For the love. We’re glad to be part of the majority of Americans who see abortion for what it really is–the death and destruction of beautiful possibility.
Thanks for your post Ryan Bomberger I am so proud of the work you are doing to expose the darkness of abortion to all but expecially to the AA community. Thank you for exposing the lies. God bless you and keep you. I am praying for you and The Radiance Foundation.
@ Prolifer L. Thank you! Your prayers mean a lot! It’s just an awesome thing to know you’re doing what you were created to do!
HEY CHRISTINA! Black women are more likely to die than white women during pregnancy. Though small, our country’s maternal mortality rate is appallingly higher than rates in other industrialized countries:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/19/nyregion/19obese.html
Most of these dead women were poor, black, obese, and uninsured. I’m glad everybody here is so caught up in sensationalizing the few women who die every year from abortion (because NO procedure is 100% safe) when women who WANT to have babies are suffering from poor health outcomes and horrendous C-section complications.
Pro-lifers playing the race card are just absurd (Because they actually don’t care about black people). Pro-lifers speaking out against abortion because it hurts women haven’t checked the stats on pregnancy-related deaths (and don’t really care about women).
Megan –
Speaking as someone who’e strongly pro-life family is bi-racial with both blood and adoptive members, please stop w/the ignorance about hateful pro-lifers –
YOU EXPLAIN the high numbers of abortions on African- Americans in proportion to their population, please, as well as Margaret Sanger’s extreme eugenic campaign. Hon, it’s not that we think every single staffer at PP is a Klan member! But the overall trend of PP is to target unmarried, low-income people, and unfortunately the vast majority of black households are unmarried and consequently poorer.
Now imagine you head up planned parenthood. You’re bright. Wouldn’t you GET IT after a few years or less of working there that the last thing a broken community needs is encouraging promiscuity and ending a very large percentage of their pregnancies?
There’s no excuse. Either the people who run PP are stupid and mean (which I doubt) or they are turning a blind and sometimes greedy eye to what has become literal destruction of a select group of people.
Ashley, then rather than pushing abortion, we should be taking more intiatives to lower the maternal mortality rate among low-income and minority populations, such as more widely available low-cost prenatal care, early screening and treatment of pregnancy complications, provide a safe enviroment for women with alcohol and drug abuse issues to receive prenatal care while providing counseling and social services, etc.
And stop with the bulls**** that we don’t care about women because you know that’s a load of hyperboil/rhetoric and it ain’t true. Come on Ashley, you’re better than that.
In fact, when you shared your feelings and experiences surrounding losses and challenges in your life, most of the members here have offered you nothing more than compassion and wishing you well. I think you know better than this.
My mistake, I was addressing the wrong person in both cases. My apologies to Ashley – Megan, if you do take the time to look around here, in the comments and responses you will find very real examples of compassion and caring.
And if it isn’t already pretty clear, I take a ‘tough love’ approach, but that doesn’t mean that I don’t care.
@ Megan. Using the NY Times as any factual basis to make an argument is like using a strip of toilet paper to clean up a huge spill on the floor–it won’t hold up, it crumbles and it’s useless. Notice at the start of the article it states:
“…social factors like poverty, obesity and lack of insurance may be responsible.” And so may the direction of the wind that day. Any life lost is a tragedy, and I’m not minimizing that. But the NY Times non-scientifically based article continues…
“The city’s report acknowledged, however, that while factors like obesity, poverty and race were strongly correlated with maternal mortality, it was not possible to say that those factors actually caused the deaths.
The study did not look beyond the statistics to the particular circumstances of each death, which might reveal whether the hospitals that treated the women or decisions made by doctors had contributed to their deaths. “I think we can see this as an issue that needs more clarity,” the academy’s president, Dr. Jo Ivey Boufford, said.”
Now that’s some SHODDY reporting.
This thread isn’t about maternal mortality, which in and of itself, is interesting especially since previous IAs (Induced Abortions) have been found in numerous recent medical studies to increase, particularly black women’s, extreme pre-term and pre-term births which, in turn, also increase the risk of pregnancy complications for women.
So before going on a rampage full of baseless (and irrelevant) accusations, do some real research and know more about the issue and the people trying to illuminate them. You just might find that many roads of accuracy and truth lead to a compassionate, concerned and proactive prolifer (of any race).
Duh. Of course you can’t say something abstract and broad like socioeconomic status CAUSES a particular health outcome. It is interesting to note–and that’s why I linked the article–that the majority of women who died here were black, poor and uninsured: an interesting CORRELATION. If you think this article is merely anecdotal, and not representative of actual health outcomes (which any fool would realize), let’s do a better literature search. As you can see, pregnancy itself is dangerous for many women–particularly the young, poor, minority, uninsured, etc–but all you can do is hold up what I consider to be SHODDY research regarding the dangers of abortion for women. A straw man argument. You only care about women when they’re contemplating abortion.
Baron et al. (2010). Obstetrical and neonatal outcomes in obese parturients. JOURNAL OF MATERNAL-FETAL & NEONATAL MEDICINE, 23(8): 906-913.
-580 obese, normal weight pregnant women compared over a 6 month period. Obesity associated with higher rates of hypertension, diabetes and C-section. Obesity significantly associated with greater postpartum complications for mother and newborn.
Wise et al. (2010). Prepregnancy Body Size, Gestational Weight Gain, and Risk of Preterm Birth in African-American Women. EPIDEMIOLOGY 21(2): 243-252.
-Obesity increases risk of medically-indicated preterm birth in cohort of 1,114 patients.
Aly et al. (2010). Maternal obesity, associated complications and risk of prematurity. JOURNAL OF PERINATOLOGY 30(7): 447-451.
-Retrospective study clarifies that obesity-related complications, and not obesity per se, causes pre-term birth in obese women.
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RayRay:
Sanger’s mother died of tuberculosis and cancer, exhausted after twenty pregnancies. Sanger wanted to improve women’s health. She fought for contraceptives to be legalized for sale in the US (they were considered a form of obscenity at the time). She opened up a birth control clinic in Brooklyn and it was raided days after its inception. Margaret Sanger is a main reason why women in the US have access to contraception.
Sanger did have ties to eugenics movements for political purposes. This is a legacy that pro-choicers can’t ignore, but it must be contextualized. Many social reformers at the time had notions that population control to improve the lot of poor people. And it’s true that women who can control their fertility generally lead healthier, more satisfying lives.
Title X Clinics, including Planned Parenthoods, provide low cost care to thousands of inner city women across the country. Many of them happen to be black. Why? Because of deindustrialization. Discrimination in the job sector. Inadequate housing and education. NOT because Planned Parenthood “pushes abortion” on a “broken community.” Without the Title X clinic, many of these women would not have no other point of entry to the healthcare system, no routine breast screenings or PAP smears. And Title X clinics seek to help women prevent pregnancy, so wouldn’t it be kind of counterintuitive for an organization that apparently makes a killlllling off abortion to try and prevent the conditions for that procedure in the first place?
Pro-lifers playing the race card are just absurd (Because they actually don’t care about black people).
If pro-lifers don’t care about black people, why am I spending my time playing with little black kids while their homeless mothers are doing laundry or in meetings to find housing? Hint: it’s not because I’m getting paid…
Sanger did have ties to eugenics movements for political purposes. This is a legacy that pro-choicers can’t ignore, but it must be contextualized. Many social reformers at the time had notions that population control to improve the lot of poor people.
Yep, that’s exactly why good ol’ Margaret was hanging with the KKK.
That’s the problem with a lot of pro-choicers – you think the death of human beings is acceptable as long as you can “contextualize” it.
If pro-lifers don’t really care about the African American community why did a white man produce Maafa21? It certainly wasn’t for the money; it takes a ton of money to make a documentary. It certainly wasn’t for the fame; he sure wouldn’t want the harassment he gets from the pro-abortion crowd and the media. It was because he cares, which is something I guess pro-choicers don’t really understand.
Pro-lifers playing the race card are just absurd (Because they actually don’t care about black people).
Uh, Megan, I actually care a great deal about black folks, since I’m one myself!
Here in Philadelphia, the crisis pregnancy centers serve women of ALL COLORS, including many black and latino women. In fact, some of the black churches here have started outreach programs to help low-income black women in crisis pregnancies.
But I do agree that infant mortality etc., in the black community needs to be addressed. Many black women do not seek prenatal care, which is a big problem.
Oh good grief, I can’t believe I didn’t realize that the name PHILLYMISS meant that you were located in Philly! Cool. I just moved to the greater Philadelphia area.
Prolifer L
August 26th, 2010 at 11:58 am
I don’t know about the “coat-hanger” stories either Keli Hu but I would like to see documentation from ERs, police reports, ob/gynes, health organizations and federal statistics on this. Dr. Nathanson a co-founder of NARAL said they lied and hyped the numbers to pass Roe vs Wade. Someone here I’m sure has the hyped numbers vs the real numbers of women who died from illegal abortions.
Former abortion-rights activist Bernard Nathanson admits that he and his cofounders of NARAL fabricated the figure that a million women were getting illegal abortions in America each year. The average, he says, was actually 98,000 per year. Nonetheless, the abortion advocates fed their concocted figures to the media, who eagerly disseminated the false information. Nathanson says he and his associates also invented the “nice, round shocking figure” for the number of deaths from illegal abortions:
“It was always ‘5,000 to 10,000 deaths a year.’ I confess that I knew the figures were totally false, and I suppose the others did too if they stopped to think of it. But in the ‘morality’ of our revolution, it was a useful figure, widely accepted, so why go out of our way to correct it with honest statistics? The overriding concern was to get the laws [against abortion] eliminated, and anything within reason that had to be done was permissible.” *
Research confirms that the actual number of abortion deaths in the twenty-five years prior to 1973 averaged 250 a year, with a high of 388 in 1948.* In 1966, before the first state legalized abortion, 120 mothers died from abortion.* By 1972 abortion was still illegal in 80 percent of the country, but the use of antibiotics had greatly reduced the risk. Hence, the number dropped to 39 maternal deaths from abortion that year.* Dr. Christopher Tietze, a prominent statistician associated with Planned Parenthood, maintained that these are accurate figures, with a margin of error no greater than 10 percent.*
However, suppose that only one out of ten deaths from illegal abortion was properly identified. This would mean that the number of women dying the year before abortion was legalized would be less than four hundred, still only a fraction of the five to ten thousand claimed by prochoice advocates.
(via Randy Alcorn, excerpted from ProLife Answers to ProChoice Arguments [Sisters, OR: Multnomah Publishers, 2000], pages 173-178)
Megan –
I happen to think that that the abortion mortality rates per race is something that is difficult to determine, in terms of intent impossible. But it’s a rabbit trail anyway.
There’s still an elephant in the room.
Explain the hugely disproportionate numbers of abortions on African-American women.
Your analysis that black households are practically being chained to poverty because of discrimination and bad housing is really outdated. Yes, it does happen and it shouldn’t; but by and large the reason for poverty is poor lifestyle choices fueled by broken families. It’s a vicious cycle, one that abortion profiteers really take advantage of. The numbers don’t lie, Megan!
There are some things that Title X medical is good for, such as free or low-cost screening for cancers, STDs and abnormailities. But there are other Title X or other grant-receiving clinics, which do not make MILLIONS each year off the blood of the unborn, which also provide these services. And maybe that’s something more pro-lifers ought to pay attention to, to be honest.
Maybe we can try to see things from each other’s point of view, at least a little.
The notion that there is some kind of sinister pro-choice plot to wipe out African-americans through abortion is absolutely idiotic. The tragically high abortion rate among black women is the result of POVERTY,not racist eugenics.
The only way to do something about this tragically high abortion rate is to provide more help for poor preganat black women,and poor pregnant women in general.
This article is nothing but more disingenuous anti-choice obfuscation.
“It is better to be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.”
Someone here better get to reading Ms. Sanger’s writing in her own words. You want context? Oh, she’ll give you plenty of context, especially when she’s referring to people as “human waste.”
I never said it wasn’t a problem that a large percentage of black women get abortions. I also think it’s alarming that these women have poorer pregnancy outcomes than their white counterparts. Something needs to be done to help alleviate poverty so healthy women can raise children in healthy environments. But abortion doesn’t cause poverty. Outlawing abortion won’t change the structural factors that contribute to poverty. It’s also foolish to make generalities and say that promiscuity and poor life decisions lead to low socioeconomic status–it’s victim-blaming and a way to make you feel morally superior.
Robert, I’ve read anecdotal evidence that it’s not poor black women who are having the bulk of the abortions in the community, it’s middle class women, including college students (college-age women of all races have a high abortion rate). Like I said, there’s no hard statistics to prove this, but I know at my daughter’s college at least two of her classmates had abortions, one at six months.
Also, why do you describe the high rate of abortion among black women as “tragic” if it’s just a blob of cells in there?
I do agree, however, that more outreach to lower-income moms to be needs to be done in poor communities, no matter what the racial composition.
Megan, I am a social worker and while I don’t claim to be an expert, it’s my observation that sometimes poor life choices do contribute to low SES. It’s not unusual for example, for me to encounter women who have four or five children before the age of thrity by as many different men, with no visible means of support for any of them. This is a big city with plenty of places that dispense low cost or free contraceptives. I hate to sound like Rush or someone, and I know “oops” babies happen, but four or five times?
One of the biggest determinants of female poverty in the U.S. is having two children before the age of 18 and for males, dropping out of high school. By no stretch of the imagination am I trying to be morally superior, because my son falls into the latter category. He just didn’t want to go to school, and now that’s he’s looking for jobs, he’s finding that this was a very poor life decision.
Robert Berger – watch and then refute Maafa 21. I dare you.
You must use real evidence, real logic and draw real conclusions.
I am actually very interested in the relationship between nationalism and/or group identity and family planning.
The man who made Maafa21 is a demagogue. He thought of an ingenious way to make inroads in minority communities by appealing to their fears of eugenics. Black nationalist leaders in the 1970’s urged women NOT to use contraception because they claimed contraception was used as a way to wipe out the black race. Today, Latin American governments take a conservative stance on contraception and abortion for reasons beyond Catholic doctrine–because political leaders claim to fear being outnumbered by other Western nations.
If a government wanted to wipe out a group of people, there are quicker ways to do so then fund family planning clinics. Arguing against contraception and abortion from a nationalist/group identity perspective is a way to control women’s bodies. It’s a source of power. In the 1970’s, black male leaders from the Black Panthers nad Nation of Islam (see Jennifer Nelson’s “Women of Color and the Reproductive Rights Movement”) essentially told women their main responsibility in the black power movement was to produce children for the upcoming revolution. In a racist era when many black men felt their masculinity was compromised, black nationalist leaders used this pro-natal ideology to reassert their masculinity.
Of course black feminists fought back to control their fertility and bodies. They also forced the white-dominated feminist movement to expand their vision of reproductive rights to include black women’s concerns, including issues of forced sterilization and unhealthy neighborhoods not conducive for healthy child-rearing.
The man who made Maafa21 is trying to inflame lingering black nationalist sentiments, completely ignoring the voices of black women who argued that cries of eugenics and pro-natalism exploited their reproductive capabilities. These women knew they had more to offer the civil rights movement than simply their child-bearing. The creator of Maafa21 continues to exploit women through his reductive, inflammatory rhetoric. If he had a vested interest in minority communities, then he would probably have taken the time to hear the voices of the women involved.
Way to fall for his bs, suckers.
I also don’t believe most of you will take the time to read my previous posts. Like Marauder, it’s easy to latch onto an emotionally-charged subject and continue to spew out ignorance.
To Robert Berger:
The perversion of the word is in & of itself sickening. A “choice” is a decision about what to have for dinner tonight or what color to paint the walls…not whether or not to kill your baby. I am certainly not “anti-choice” as you say, but I am anti-murder. I think the problem of disingenuous obfuscation would be on your part Sir.
Phillymiss:
I’ve worked with a lot of urban communities before, and yes, people do make poor life choices, but it’s more “difficult” to make them in poor communities. I know wealthy middle class kids who have gotten pregnant before 18 and have the support of their families. A poorer women doesn’t have that kind of help, and so even if her decision to get pregnant isn’t any more “severe” than the middle class girl’s, she will have a harder time coping with it.
I’ve also found–and maybe this is anecdotal–that working in urban centers in the northeast and midwest that young girls tend to play Russian roulette with pregnancy because they don’t have any other life/job prospects in mind. There’s no concept of “oh, I’ll go to college, or do this and that.” They don’t have much option of leaving their communities, so they get pregnant. And since many of the male members of the community are pretty ineligible as mates–low job security, high incarceration rate, high drug use, etc–they choose to do the solo mom route…which obviously doesn’t help their economic prospects.
If I didn’t have the chance to get an education, I would want to have a baby, too. It would be something solid to love and hold onto.
You’re right, Megan, many young women have these babies “accidentally on purpose.” I am not trying to condemn anyone, but they need to recognize why this is not a good option at such an early age. One of the solutions is to get these girls involved in some sort of activity. It sounds trivial, but kids that are active in scouting, dance, etc., are less likely to become pregnant.
Phillymiss:
That’s not at all trivial. I’m looking to volunteer at my local chapter of Girls on the Run because I think getting girls involved in athletics at a young age really helps them build character and learn to respect their bodies.
Megan:
May I suggest that if you want someone to love–and we all do–that you consider Jesus Christ, who loved you so much that He was willing to die to redeem you from your mistakes? I had always longed to be loved, and Jesus is amazing; human beings have let me down, even my wonderful husband, but He never has.
I had a prospect of a career, a good education, and it all rung hollow because in my heart I knew I had a better calling–raising children. I don’t want a job or a career; raising my kids is certainly not easier but it is fulfilling in a way no job ever could be (and the career path I was pursuing–teaching other people’s kids–would have been particularly unfulfillng). It wasn’t until I was blessed with my daughter that I was happy with where I was in my life. I’m not saying my path is for everyone, but I think a disservice is done when girls are always told that a career or education will make them happier than motherhood.
Nadal,you don’t know what you’re talking about when you say that”front-alley abortion shave killed more women than back-alley ones.”
Since Roe v Wade,only a tiny handful of women have died from botched illegal abortions.
People die in surgical procedures which go wrong every day,such as heart surgery etc.
In fact, some have died from botched appendectomies.
Today, a woman has a far greater chance of drowning in her bathtub than dying from an abortion. It’s well known to every one but anti-choicers in denial like you that many women in America died from botched illegal abortions before Roe v Wade,or were seriously hurt.
Every year in poor countries where abortion is illegal,thousands of women die needlessly.
Your statement is stupefyingly inane.
Good for you, Megan.
And for you men out there, the Big Brothers are definitely looking for men to volunteer to mentor boys — in most places they have enough “Big Sisters.”
YCB, no one is saying that motherhood is inferior to working outside the home (remember that ALL mothers are working mothers). Most women are going to have to support themselves at least part of their lives, unless they have trust funds! My daughter wants to get married and have children someday, but she is planning to go to graduate school so she will be able to support herself, and she is a devout Christian.
I wish that women would stop the “mommy wars.” it does everyone a disservice!
YCW:
Your calling sounds wonderful. But you had the chance to explore the world a bit, perhaps get an education, before becoming a mother. I think all women deserve the same opportunity.
Megan
Wow- I had no idea you knew the producer of Maafa21, you seem to speak with so much knowledge ! (NOT! )
You are the demagogue – you are the one who has failed to dispute one fact in the documentary Maafa21. No matter what you think of the producers ( you fail to mention that 3/4 of the Maafa21 experts are black) you have not disputed one fact the film brings out. The film – shows original documents that Planned Parenthood’s founder Margaret Sanger was a KLAN Speaker. A Racist ! A Nazi lover ! A members of the Eugenics Society ! The FACTS which Maafa21 clearly exposes were gathered from the writings of Margaret Sanger, the Libraries of Planned Parenthood, The American Eugenics Society, many extinguished libraries, government offices and documents, and media sources. So – I would much rather associated myself with a “Demagogue” than with the racist ilk of Sanger and Planned Parenthood and other ignorants like yourself.
”it’s easy to latch onto an emotionally-charged subject and continue to spew out ignorance.”
I admit it. Abortion is emotionally-charging to me because stronger humans are choosing to dismember weaker humans and many of our country’s people support this holocaust.
Some of the emotions I feel when I think of the killing of unborn children are: anger, sadness, disgust, frustration, fear, disbelief, depression, anguish
Megan, Why is abortion such an emotionally-charged subject to you and what emotions does it bring out in you?
Ignorant is, as ignorant does.
Bekah Ferguson thank you for the information refuting the myth that “thousands of women died from illegal abortions before Roe v. Wade”, what I call “The Coathanger Myth”. I am glad to have this info. Megan if you are going to make ignorant statements about “Prolifers actually don’t care about black people” do a little homework on the Top Websites links provided by Jill Stanek to Black Americans for Life, LEARN, Dr. Alveda King on staff at Priest for Life, Black Genocide, and others. Anyone who is truly prolife is outraged by the deaths of all unborn babies and frustrated by the disproportionate numbers of Black babies being slaughtered in their mother’s wombs. Abortion was touted as the the answer to eliminating poverty, child abuse, unplanned pregnancies, educational failure, ”insuring that every baby is a wanted baby” instead these problems are even worse especially in the inner cities because killing your unborn will NEVER solve any problems it just makes them worse. You are suffering from PADS Pro Abort Derangement Syndrome. Read Star Parker’s books “Pimps Whores and Welfare Brats, Uncle Sam’s Plantation and White Ghetto, excellent books by an AA woman who was living off welfare until her life was turned around. She is running for Congress in CA this November.
Megan if you are going to make ignorant statements about “Prolifers actually don’t care about black people” do a little homework on the Top Websites links provided by Jill Stanek to Black Americans for Life, LEARN, Dr. Alveda King on staff at Priest for Life, Black Genocide, and others.
Seriously.
Something tells me, though, that you’re going to continue with your “pro-lifers don’t care about black people” meme. It’s easier for you to make obviously false generalizations than to actually acknowledge pro-lifers as individuals, or to admit that no matter what “political reasons” are involved, aligning yourself with the Ku Klux Klan is a morally repulsive thing to do.
It sounds good that everyone should get a couple years of additional schooling–but it cost $40,000 dollars (my own and other people’s) for an education I didn’t really need. Even if everyone had access to that kind of money, is college the best use for it?
If we had that money now, we could adopt two kids from overseas, or use it to buy our next two cars, pay for our groceries for ten years, or pay off an eighth of our mortgage.
Okay. Margaret Sanger had ties with population control movements 100 years ago. She thought contraception could help women control their fertility and lift their people out of poverty. Some may say she was a “eugenicist.”
That doesn’t change the fact that Sanger is the main reason why women in the United States have access to contraception (see US vs. One Package of Japanese Pessaries). She fought for the legalization of contraceptives for ALL WOMEN. If it weren’t for Sanger, then we’d all be Quiverfull by default.
Contraception and abortion haven’t made people poor. You have no stats to back up the assertion that abortion=poverty. You know what HAS created urban ghettos? Trade liberalization that moved factory jobs overseas and lead to the disintegration of our inner cities. Drug use, drug policy and incarceration rates. Red lining of neighborhoods. Welfare reform that contained no provision for childcare.
Claiming that abortion is the cause of poverty deflects focus from these REAL, STRUCTURAL injustices and actually does more harm to our nation’s urban poor. I guess we could just mandate that every poor person become a Christian like Star Parker. That would solve everything.
Also, speaking of Margaret Sanger…how many organizations do you support that have unsavory legacies?
How many presidents that you voted for started wars in parts of the world you couldn’t identify on a map? How many big businesses do you patronize that have dumped toxic waste in residential neighborhoods? For starters…
Megan
And if you think about it Ms. Sangers own views were toxic and just like people who pollute the environment with no regard for the earth’s integrity so are people who advocate for the killing of babies. They need healing. I think when as humans we look for quick solutions to problems that need careful thought and consideration it is often easier to pick what seems to be a viable solution. A good question to ask ourselves when looking for solutions is to ask how does this effect the weakest amongst us. How does this effect those that have no voice or less of a voice then others. Whether it be an unborn baby or a poor neighborhood where industries that are a far cry from environmentally friendly want to locate.
Megan, Why is abortion such an emotionally-charged subject to you and what emotions does it bring out in you?
Answer my question first, then I’ll answer yours.
Some may say she was a “eugenicist.”
Hmm, I wonder why that was. It’s not like she ever said anything astoundingly offensive about “human weeds” “who never should have been born” or birth control leading to “a cleaner race” or even anything really explicit, like “Eugenic sterilization is an urgent need.” Or “The most merciful thing a family does to one of its infant members is to kill it.”
You might as well say “some may say Martin Luther King supported racial equality.”
Some organizations have unsavory people. Planned Parenthood, on the other hand, was founded on unsavory principles and beliefs.
Megan I never said abortion caused poverty I said “killing your unborn NEVER solves problems but just makes them worse”, There is a difference between causing something and making it worse. And yes I do believe becoming a Christ follower would make life better for everyone, that is why I am a Christ follower because of what He has done with my life, but I know life will still hav e problems and difficulties. You don’t get a pass because you are a Christian but you receive the grace and forgiveness to get through your problems. Actually the main causes of poverty are the loss of two parent stable families, fatherlessness, the poverty of values based on faith, unconditional love and committed families and also the total disregard for the precious gift of life, marriage and children. Margaret Sanger your hero did nothing but promote 1. “getting rid of human weeds, the unfit” and 2. sexual promiscuoity which promotes having meaningless sex with disposable, meaningless sexual partners which leads to disposable, meaningless babies dumped into medical waste containers. You are sick and don’t know it, so sad.
Yes yes, I’m a mother of a corpse, heard that one already.
Sanger enabled women of all walks of life to control their fertility through CONTRACEPTION. We’re not even talking about abortion.
You seem to be forgetting that fact in your cries about eugenics and racism, etc. Let’s not pretend people before the so-called “sexual revolution” were all that righteous or moral. I guess it’s better for women to endure domestic violence and couples to stew in unhappiness for the sake of NOT getting a divorce. Oh, and I guess times were better when women experienced ten or so pregnancies over the course of their lives. Reaaaal healthy. But that Christian morality…!
Actually my parents, grandparents and great-grandparents were happily married to each other for over 50 years had large families were rich in unconditional love and strong in their faith. Although they lived through lots of hardships and were relatively poor, it was awesome to see how much they loved each other, their children and grandchildren. As a college student I questioned the importance of faith and family but found out it was what was most important. Now I am proud to be from a large, loving family, it was awesome. Not everyone is as blessed as I am to have had two loving parents, my husband raised by a awesome single mother (his deadbeat father abandoned them) but with God, his grandfather’s and uncles’ help my husband has broken the cycle of divorce and fatherlessness in his family and is an awesome husband and father. You can ridicule God’s prinicples of morality and fidelity if you want Megan but it is indeed your loss.
I never said or meant to imply that before the “sexual revolution” everyone was all righteous and moral but the majority of Americans limited their number of sexual partners to mainly the person they were married to (or were going to marry), most people stayed married and were faithful to their spouse.
In the US before the 1970s there were only 2 MAJOR STDs both were curable with antibiotics but today the CDC warns that STDs are ”The Hidden Epidemic” with over 25 different, significant STDs and with over 52,000 cases of STDs every single day with some of them incurable. (Sources; Weinstock, Berman and Cates Alan Guttmacher Institute “STDs Among American Youth Incidence and Prevalence Estimates 2000 and CDC “Tracking The Hidden Epidemic 2000: Trends in STDs in the United States) Today 1 in 5 Americans have a viral, incurable STD. 1 in 4 American teenagers have an STD. What is greatest risk factor for contracting an STD? Having multiple sexual partners because when you have sex with someone you are exposed to all of the germs of all the people that person has had sex with and that person has had sex and… so on for the last 10 years. Those who are sexually active as teens are more likely to have more sexual partners before marriage and are more likely to contract STDs ( Source Abma, Martinez, Mosher and Dawson ‘Teenagers in the US: Sexual activity, contraceptive use and childbearing, 2002 National Center for Health Statistics). Yeah, that Christian morality is such a bummer it will keep you from contracting STDs or having an unwed, unplanned pregnancy the major reason people like you insist that we need to keep aborting unborn babies in this nation.
People had fewer sexual partners because they got married young and stayed married, even if they were miserable. Even if women were subject to spousal abuse.
Christian morality dictates that women stick with their partners even if it’s a violent situation. I’m not saying the state of our nation’s sexual health is great right now, but it certainly wasn’t better for women before the 60’s. They were just quiet about their discontent.
Having multiple sexual partners isn’t the public health issue–it’s the level of unprotected sex that is. Women and men can, and should be, fastidious with contraception. We have a schizophrenic society that allows for the depiction of raw sex on tv yet makes conversations about condoms taboo in our public high schools. Let’s not pretend people aren’t going to have sex and then act surprised when they do. Safe sex should be the gold standard.
Oh, and actually, women who already have children–oftentimes MARRIED women–get abortions because they feel they won’t be able to care for the kids they have with another baby. So the image of the promiscuous teenager is kind of misleading…and studies have shown that the younger a pregnant adolescent is, the less likely she will choose abortion.
Christian morality dictates that women stick with their partners even if it’s a violent situation.
This is absolutely false. It’s also false that Christian morality dictates women stick with unfaithful partners.
Having multiple sexual partners isn’t the public health issue–it’s the level of unprotected sex that is. Safe sex should be the gold standard.
According to the FDA http://www.fda.gov/ForConsumers/byAudience/ForPatientAdvocates/HIVandAIDSActivities/ucm126372.htm#guar :
“Will a condom guarantee I won’t get a sexually transmitted disease?
No. There’s no absolute guarantee even when you use a condom. But most experts believe that the risk of getting HIV/AIDS and other sexually transmitted diseases can be greatly reduced if a condom is used properly.
In other words, sex with condoms isn’t totally “safe sex,” but it is “less risky” sex.”
Oh, and something I didn’t see noted here but many of us have been made aware of this: gonorrhea and herpes can be contracted through oral sex as well.
And an interesting side note I found on the same web page:
“Are condoms strong enough for anal intercourse?
The Surgeon General (C. Everett Koop, Surgeon General 1982-1989) has said, “Condoms provide some protection, but anal intercouse is simply too dangerous to practice”
Condoms may be more likely to break during anal intercourse than during other types of sex because of the greater amount of friction and other stresses involved.
Even if the condom doesn’t break, anal intercourse is very risky because it can cause tissue in the rectum to tear and bleed. These tears allow disease germs to pass more easily from one partner to the other.”
Golly gee, that’s odd. I thought gay sex was so normal and just like heterosexual sex… I guess the FDA doesn’t think so.
“Christian morality dictates that women stick with their partners even if it’s a violent situation.”
What? Please back up this statement with facts.
I was born and raised Catholic. I married in the Catholic church to a CINO in my 20s. He turned out to be very abusive and violent and this marriage was annulled. I had the support of my church family. I remarried in the Catholic church to a loving, practicing-Catholic man years later. Christian morality does not command a women stay with a violent partner, to say nothing of a violent spouse.
There have always been people however that hide behind the name Christianity to serve their own warped purposes. Examples that come to mind are Catholics for Choice, some FLDS sects, pastors/priests who molest children and Christian Prochoicers. These people do not display examples of Christian morality but instead are great examples of those who abuse power.
I won’t waste my time dealing with the anti-Christian church accusations as I can see you are suffering not just from PADS (Pro Abort Derangement Syndrome) but ACHS (Anti Church Hate Syndrome) as well.
Not one prolifer here has ever condoned violence against women but I can give you the research from the US Department of Justice about the actually levels of domestic violence from boyfriends, divorced exs and live in lovers vs. husbands (4-5 times more likely to be victimized than married women), the levels of child abuse by boyfriends vs. husbands (some research reports children more that 40 times more likely to be abused), the percentage of women forced to perform sexual acts (single and divorced women were almost 10 times more likely than wives to be raped and 3 times more likely to be the victims of aggravated assault than wives) lovers 46%, someone a woman knew well 22%, vs her spouse 9% . Wow all of that BS about married women being more likely to be mistreated and abused. Total lies. Your pathetic solution to STDs has NOT reduced the numbers but they have become epidemic proportions. More condoms have not reduced the numbers, do you know than many of the most prevalent STDs are spread by skin-to-skin contact via areas not even covered by a condom? So sad, Megan that you put your trust in a piece of latex which for years doctors called “antiquated birth control” and believe in the myth of such a thing as “safe sex”. I have worked in healthcare and worked with many young people over the years and have seen lots of “safe sex” failures (by even mature adults) and seen a lot of broken hearts over the years. Sex never has been and never will be “safe”, (whether vaginal, oral or anal sex) reducing risk maybe but the truth it is not “safe”. You can shoot the messenger but take a look at the CDC reports and recommendations for how to be “safe”.
Its just odd to me that conservative white Christians rarely care ANYTHING about Black people (they were among the main founders of such illustrious organizations as the Ku Klux Klan) but when it comes to abortion, they’re afraid of our genocide (do any of them even know or care about the affects of the REAL Maafa?). Wake up Black people! You are being used by white folks who truly do NOT care about you or your offspring. They are simply trying to attack abortion to protect what they believe in (and what they somehow believe they have the right to enforce upon others).
Hi Zindzi.
“they [white people] were among the main founders of such illustrious organizations as the Ku Klux Klan”
I have no idea if this is true or not, but I have no reason to believe it was founded by anyone other than a white person. For that, I am truly sorry. but I don’t see how the evilness of this one white man implies that all white people do not care about black people or are just using them. I can tell you that for me, I care about all people and I do not want to see any innocent person killed, whether it be inside or outside their mother’s womb.
“and what they somehow believe they have the right to enforce upon others”
I don’t know about this language of rights, but we have a moral duty to proclaim the truth that abortion is the unjust taking of an innocent human being’s life. If that is true, then indeed, it should be enforced upon all people that they are not allowed to undergo an abortion, just like they are not allowed to rape or steal.
Um, there wasn’t reporting on domestic violence before the 1960’s because it was considered a private, domestic matter. Women were silenced. Talking about abuse was taboo. Even VAWA wasn’t passed until the early 1990’s. So nostalgia for a time when families were intact and happy and healthy is misgiving.
I agree that unstable families are problematic for child-rearing. Childhood injuries are typically the product of neglect, not overt physical violence. And if violence DOES occur, the data available does not adequately capture who the perpetrator is in every case–could be mom, or boyfriend, or stepdad, etc. And yes, a boyfriend or whomever might not be willing to assume the role of caregiver for a child, even though there are instances where a significant other acts as a really great parent figure for a partner’s kids.
This issue is a reflection of poverty and social support systems. Single parents are more strapped for time, spend time away from kids to work, etc., and kids get hurt more often because they’re left alone. And if there is violence in a home, it is often a home under considerable stress: financial woes, sickness, drug abuse, etc. Also, only until recently were domestic violence laws–and their concomitant punishments–applied to co-habitating couples. So you can see we have a society in transition: a society that hangs single/broken/mixed families out to dry.
What do we need? Subsidized childcare, economic incentives for single working parents, interventions that seek to help boyfriends/girlfriends/etc. become responsible caregivers for a partner’s children, domestic violence laws that apply to cohabitation, etc. This problem is just as much structural as it is domestic.
Diagnosing the problem as a moral failing and simply telling people to “get married” won’t solve the problem, because people will continue to be miserable and get divorces. It’s like telling people not to have sex before they’re married, when college-educated people get married around age 30…Anyway, what if we, as a society, started really recognizing these alternative living arrangements instead of trying to set up moral hierarchies that shame people into complying with religious doctrine? By the way, “marriage promotion programs,” like welfare reform, result in MORE domestic violence because women feel compelled to stay with abusive partners for the financial benefit…
Oh, and if you were really concerned (Kel) about marriage and societal stability, why the vehement opposition to gay marriage? Studies have shown that kids whose parents are gay are just as well-adjusted, if not more, than their peers with hetero parents. Gay people are willing to adopt…seems like a “solution” to the abortion problem.