Jivin J’s Life Links 11-24-10
by JivinJ, host of the blog, JivinJehoshaphat
- Surprise, surprise. Planned Parenthood and 2 abortionists are challenging AK’s recently passed parental notification law.
- Authorities in Thailand have seized approximately 100k pills used for inducing abortions.
- RH Reality Check’s Robin Marty writes one of the most unintentionally hilarious sentences ever:
- The effectiveness of embryonic stem cells over adult stem cells is a scientific fact that everyone except the most extreme of the anti-choice movement has recognized. Yes, embryonic stem cells, which have yet to successfully treat a single human being of a single disease and have only been recently approved for two early stage clinical trials are more effective than adult stem cells, which have been successfully treating people with a myriad of diseases for years. That’s just delusional. Marty’s not claiming embryonic stem cells have “more promise” or “greater potential.” She thinks they’re more effective now.
- I always find it so curious when pro-choicers think photos of aborted children are fake. For example, Brit Schulte writes about a Justice For All display at North TX University in the Socialist Worker:On the other side, the anti-choice demonstrators held their fabricated images of supposedly aborted fetuses. What does Schulte imagine aborted children look like?
Steve Wagner has posted a video of JFA’s display at North TX:
Where does RH Reality Check find these people?
Nov.24, 2010 1:00 pm |
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Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
The pro-choice fascination with ESR is bizarre. If curing diseasees was their main goal, they’d say, “Okay, so the whole embryonic thing didn’t work. Look how much they’re able to do with non-embryonic stem cells! Wow, that’s great! Let’s put all our energy there so we can do more!” Nope.
That’s my alma mater. I teach there, too. It’s actually the University of North Texas.
Just wondering how many of the abortions in Cambodia, Thailand, etc., are a result of the thriving sex trade in these countries? The girls and women involved are often coerced, live under terrible conditions, and many are HIV positive.
I’m so confused as to why pro-aborts are so against parental notification laws. They seem to like the argument that they’re protecting “girls” who are victims of rape and/or incest, but they do NOTHING to protect these girls at all. The only thing that matters to them is that these girls abort. If you are not 18, then your parents have a right to know if you’re going to have an abortion. Period.
Exactly, MaryLee. Their solution is to abort the children and throw the girls back to the wolves.
Marauder, they are desperate to find something postive about abortion (because there isn’t) and they are deluding themselves that if the babies’ little corpses could be used for science it would make all that death ok. Not gonna happen.
I’m so glad the pro-abortion bloggers and other writers are making such immense fools of themselves. How long have we listened to people whine about pro-lifers basing their beliefs on being religious. Hey, I love religion, but that’s not why I’m pro-life. The science of biology backs up our stand. (Not that it isn’t nice to be on God’s side, too.)
The pro-aborts are and have always been a few fries short of a happy meal.
If you are not 18, then your parents have a right to know if you’re going to have an abortion. Period.
Agreed. Here in PA, we also have a judicial bypass provision. The ‘borts were screaming about how there would be so many “Becky Bell” type cases, but that hasn’t happened. Of course, some girls do go to neighboring NJ or NY, states that never met an abortion they didn’t like.
As for the “fabricated” pictures of fetuses who were “supposedly” aborted — that doesn’t make too much sense. I guess it’s like being “a little bit pregnant.”
Here’s a hypothetical question: if the cure for cancer could be obtained through use of embryonic stem cells, would you still be opposed to it?
I would be opposed to anything that kills human children or is used to justify killing human children, yes even if it cured cancer. Human life begins at conception. Therefore, killing an embryo for research is the same as killing a toddler for research.
What’s really disturbing is that the pro-aborts feel that there is a very strong need to “protect” girls from their parents…..But why aren’t they focusing on the real problem? How about doing what they can to make sure these girls AREN’T RAPED?! Education, self-defense. Discretion, common sense, etc. If girls are being raised in such awful homes, and are repeatedly victimized, then let’s fix THAT problem, yeah? Good grief.
If you advocate education, self defense, discretion and common sense in young girls you are deemed a rape apologist.
Go figure.
The solution to young, pregnant teens is always ABORTION, ABORTION and MORE ABORTION!
Jivin’ J asked - “Where does RH Reality Check find these people?”
The same place Planned Parenthood finds these devoted abortion supporters:
http://www.youtube.com/user/PersonhoodUSA#p/a/u/0/r3eUVjnhs1c
Ninek
So you think that all in-vitro labs should be shut down because when they discard the unwanted embryos, they are committing murder?
I’m from Fairbanks, Alaska and the PP here is in an uproar! Whats wrong with a parent knowing whats going on with their daughter? Abortion is considered a surgical procedure, i sure hope that a doctor wouldn’t do a surgery without my consent. What if something goes wrong? My son just had a minor oral surgery and his heart started beating irregularly, concerned the doctor rushed out to seek my permission to give him a drug to help his heart beat in a normal rythm. My son was in a 1 hour outpatient surgery, just like abortion is considered. So, parents need to know whats going on with their daughter. And this law doesn’t state that the parent has to give permission it just states that the parents have to be notified, so a young lady seeking abortion can still get one regardless of what her parents say is on it.
Phillymiss
November 24th, 2010 at 2:16 pm
Just wondering how many of the abortions in Cambodia, Thailand, etc., are a result of the thriving sex trade in these countries? The girls and women involved are often coerced, live under terrible conditions, and many are HIV positive.
Great question. What makes this Planned Parenthood move all the more frustrating and ridiculous is that the sex trade is alive and thriving in Portland, Oregon, in the same region of the country. There was a truly sad story on America’s Most Wanted television show a week or two ago. A girl was tricked into thinking she was taking a job with a group who would end up holding her hostage working as a prostitute/slave. The abortion industry, by not requiring parental notification, is enabling these horrible situations to continue undetected. Apparently PP and other abortionists are willing to wash their hands clean of any responsibility for the well-being of young girls as long as they can remove their babies from their lives with ease – adding tragedy on top of tragedy. Sickening. Where is the outrage from parents?
Here’s the story.
http://www.amw.com/features/feature_story_detail.cfm?id=4003
Marty states:
“The effectiveness of embryonic stem cells over adult stem cells is a scientific fact that everyone except the most extreme of the anti-choice movement has recognized.”
Apparently Robin Marty did not read the links she provided before making her definitive statement regarding ESCR.
How long will it take for human embryonic stem cell research to yield medical treatments?
We can’t say how long it will take to find new treatments for any specific disease using embryonic stem cells. Biomedical research typically has a time frame of 10, 20, even 30 years. Fourteen years elapsed between the first unsuccessful clinical trial of bone marrow transplantation and the first successful transplant among unrelated patients. Now bone marrow transplants are widely touted as the best example of a successful stem cell therapy.
Biomedical research takes a long time, but the sooner the research starts, the sooner it will yield new insights and new treatments. If research were stopped by uncertainty, we never would have developed blood transfusions, cardiac bypass surgery, insulin therapy for diabetes, kidney dialysis, antibiotics, organ transplants and many other treatments we now take for granted.
Also:
Thousands of patients around the world have been treated with adult stem cells, but no humans as of yet have been given cells derived from embryos in an approved trial.
DD,
Absolutely. All remaining embryos should be adopted if possible and no more should be created. I repeat, NO more should be created. Ever.
It is insane to murder one set of children, then create another set- let some of them develop, then murder the rest (or leave them in limbo for who-knows-how-long). It’s all a crazy situation that should not have been created in the first place. By discouraging adoption, abortionists are helping to perpetuate this situation.
Hi phillymiss,
The PAs are still howling about Becky Bell? Apparently these are folks who absolutely refuse to be confused with the facts. Becky did not have an abortion, legal or illegal. Evidence indicates she had a miscarriage, then died of an unrelated pneumonia. Very tragically neither Becky or her parents knew how critically ill she really was and earlier medical care may well have saved her life.
In their shock and grief, as well as their desperation to make some sense of their daughter’s quick and unexpected death, the Bells were perfect marks for exploitation of their family tragedy to further a political cause.
Odd, the PAs have no issue with the death of 13y/o Dawn Ravenell of New York, the daughter of Jamaican immigrants. Her mother found out about Dawn’s abortion when a hospital called to inform Mrs.Ravenell her daughter was on life support after having a legal abortion without her parents’ knowledge or consent. Dawn died days later when life support was removed.
Apparently the deaths of teenage girls from abortion matter only if they serve a political cause as I have yet to hear an iota of outrage over Dawn’s tragic death.
I think its inappropriate for people under the age of about 16 to have an abortion, tattoos, piercings or plastic surgery without the consent of a parent or guardian. I even have my doubts about waxing!
Good Cranium – and I hope that you would support the law here in Illinois that is supposed to require parental notification of young women – although this law has NOT been enforced for over 10 years.
I have personally talked with 2 14 year old’s coming in for abortions – and tons of 15 and 16 year olds. All really don’t know much about abortion – they just want to be out of a jam. Many don’t even drive yet…
I even had the driver of one girl, who came from over 2 hours away drag the 14 year old back into the clinic. They were related – the driver was the sister of the boy who impregnated the 14 year old. The girl’s mother thought she was in school. Of course, if any medical emergency happened after the girl returned home, her family had no idea of what happened that day.
For the health of all – there should be notification for the parents. For sure.
Hi joy,
That’s assuming of course the girl recognizes the fact she needs medical attention. That’s why parents are always advised what symptoms to observe, along with written instructions, when their children are discharged after surgery.
Being this girl could not get medical attention without parental knowledge and consent, we have to hope the girl wil not downplay her symptoms or be too frightened to tell her parents and that her parents won’t assume their daughter’s chest pain(possible blod clot) or fever(possible deadly infection)are just symptoms of a cold or flu.
Of course it goes without saying that any short or long term complications she develops will be the responsiblity of her parents to pay and care for.
“The effectiveness of embryonic stem cells over adult stem cells is a scientific fact that everyone except the most extreme of the anti-choice movement has recognized.”
A mind is a terrible thing to waste.
“The effectiveness of embryonic stem cells over adult stem cells is a scientific fact that everyone except the most extreme of the anti-choice movement has recognized.”
A wasted mind is a terrible thing.
Just viewed the video clip of the ‘Justice For All’ display at UNT with no audio.
It was illuminating to contrast the countenances of the ‘Justice For All’ folks, the casual observers and the ‘dead babies r us’ mob [A more appropriate moniker might be ‘satan’s posse’.]
Included in the ‘dead babies r us’ crew, are the usual cast of characters from the ‘rent a mob’. I believe these folks wardrobe consists soley of tee shirts emblazoned with the cause celeb of the day. The chants are repetitive and the key words are as interchangeable as the tee shirts.
It would be great fun to have this collection of comiserators on a season of ‘Survivors’.
Talkin bout cold blooded, calculated, angry, vindictive, vile and vicious. The producers should arm these folks with guns, bombs, machetes, axes, toxins and trial lawyers. The primary problem would be finding enough useable audio after all the profanity was bleeped out. Then there would be the difficulty of maintaining enough live survivors to provide enough footage for a whole seasons worth of episodes.
Now that would be true blood sport.[Google, Images- ‘khmer rouge’ or ‘hutus/tutsis’]
The photos and videos would make a relevant contribution to the ‘Justice For All’ display.
‘Peace, love, dove.’
My other problem with not having parental consent with abortion is that those girls who have loving parents, they don’t even get a say. As a mother, I’d be devestated if I wasn’t even given the opportunity to help them with life-affirming alternatives.
Mother in Texas,
Its certainly no surprise that a frightened confused teenage girl would quickly agree to what she sees as an “easy out” even with loving and caring parents. If no one has to know and you need not “fess up” then why not? Its called human nature and we are all inclined to do the same thing and have.
These young girls are very vulnerable to pressure and persausion. As for the argument they will be “abused”, then involvement with this family by social services is long overdue.