The 5 Browns: Incest and abortion
From the Associated Press, February 17:
The distraught father of The 5 Browns musical group [site down but here’s the cache] pleaded guilty Thursday to sexually abusing his daughters when they were children in a deal that will send him to prison for at least 10 years….
Keith Brown, 55, entered his plea to 3 felony counts in 4th District Court….
Brown’s 3 daughters and 2 sons are part of the classical piano group The 5 Browns, whose albums have topped the classical music charts and who have appeared on Oprah and other shows. The group also has been profiled by 60 Minutes….
Utah Co. prosecutors charged Brown with one 1st-degree felony count of sodomy on a child and two 2nd-degree felony counts of sexual abuse of a child.
He could face a sentence of up to life in prison on the 1st-degree felony and up to 15 years each on the 2nd-degree felonies. Under the plea deal with prosecutors, he will serve at least a decade in prison….
Kimball Thomson, a spokesman for The 5 Browns, said the charges involve Brown’s daughters and group members Desirae, 32, Deondra, 30, and Melody, 26. He declined to release further information on the women.
The… Brown women have chosen to be identified and are cooperating with police, Thomson said….
Thomson said the Brown children severed their professional relationship with Keith Brown in October of 2008. He was once the manager of The 5 Browns but now has no connection….
Court documents state the allegations stem from separate occasions between November 1990 and October 1992, November 1990 and November 1992, and March 1997 and March 1998….
Here’s a video of The 5 Browns’ performance of Flight of the Bumblebee…
Now we get to what may be the other side’s most counterintuitive argument advocating abortion – one we can and should always take on – a comment at Huffington Post:
I’m sorry, but only the most obtuse people would promote this line of thinking. In reality, abortion hides incest. As President Clinton’s pro-abortion former Surgeon General Joycelyn Elders wrote, “Sexual abuse is a common antecedent of adolescent pregnancy, with up to 66% of pregnant teens reporting histories of abuse…. Pregnancy may also be a sign of ongoing sexual abuse….”
We don’t know whether Brown impregnated any of his daughters.
But if abortion were illegal, adolescent pregnancy would be evidence a crime has been committed.
Legalized abortion allows a sexual perpetrator to hide his crime by killing the evidence and continue raping his young victim.
Legalized abortion perpetuates child rape and incest.
Furthermore, we now have plenty of evidence that the largest abortion chain in America, Planned Parenthood, is a willing accomplice.
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
And what does the pro-abort advocate?
That if an abuser is going to hide the evidence (pregnancy) of his crime, he ought to be able to do it with the least amount of harm (legal & safe) to his daughter.
And since there will always be fathers abusing there kids in the world, we might as well make it safe for 12-yr-old girls to get heroin so they can hide the pain.
Your comments always help clarify, Cranky. Thanks for them.
Over and over and over… we hear of people who think that killing is the easy solution to all sorts of problems. It’s the first thing that they run to.
It is always necessary to show that life offers a better solution. Killing is easy, but it solves nothing. Killing only leads to more problems.
I have two friends who were conceived by rape. It was before Roe v. Wade, but abortion was legally available to rape victims. Both mothers chose life, and offered the children for adoption.
One friend eventually met his birth mother — her life was a ruin of alcohol and drugs and regret. It was a tremendous consolation to her, seeing her son and daughter (twins) grown and thriving. She got to hear them thank her for the gift of their lives. It may have been the one good and shining event of her whole life…. and yet pro-aborts would have robbed her even of that, for just a little bit of money.
How does this story show abortions ability to “Hide” incest? The guilty party was caught and is going to prison…
You’re right it’s much better to have a bunch of incest babies rolling around… This rapist was caught the same way all rapists are caught, the victims spoke out about their abuse.
Once again our “just a system” gives the offender the exact opposite of God’s commandment. Life, rather than death. I don’t mean life in prison; I mean to live. They give him the gift of life, something they have no authority to give him. And now his victims and all of us will have to pay for his room and board, heat and A/C, medical, dental, entertainment, fitness center, and he won’t have to be responsible for providing for himself because we’re all going to provide for him.
What a travesty of justice.
And as for its obvious link to the abortion issue, there are no hard cases. No such thing. Punish the rapist, and love the baby. Don’t kill the baby and then put the rapist in a concrete hotel for a decade and provide him all kinds of amenities…
Feel the love, Big. ‘A bunch of incest babies rolling around’. And yeah, he was caught- 20 YEARS LATER.
Your compassion for all involved is underwhelming.
The question the HuffPo needs to be asking is how does opposing abortion support incest?!? “Since incest may produce children, we should promote it by opposing abortion?” “By defending someone’s right to live unviolated by anyone else’s desires to harm them, you are defending someone else’s right to harm and violate others?” Honestly, I don’t understand how the one follows from the other. It’s totally bizarre.
For all the children created through incest, the pro-abortion advocates have a message for you:
You ought to be dead.
The comment by the Twitter person is scary – but this is how liberals think. The sooner we get control of our government, the better the world will be!
Incest babies?
Seriously??
Jill…why does the article use the word “distraught” to describe the father(if you can CALL him that)? Who CARES if HE’S distraught! He SHOULD be. Sorry, but I’m speaking as a formerly sexually abused child myself (My step-father). I’m sure his CHILDREN are even MORE distraught. Just sayin’.
You’re right it’s much better to have a bunch of incest babies rolling around.
And the true colors come out. :D You gotta love it. “Incest babies.” “Rape babies.” If that’s how you look at people, I really can do nothing but feel sorry for people like you. It’s disgusting.
What does “rolling around,” mean, anyway? How are children conceived in incest any less human or less worthy of life than children conceived by parents who were desperate for a child?
Oh, that’s right. They AREN’T.
“Incest babies.” “Rape babies.” If that’s how you look at people, I really can do nothing but feel sorry for people like you.
Maybe we should start referring to all babies by the circumstances under which they were conceived. Wedding night babies! Post-divorce fling babies! Early-Friday-morning-while-the-older-kids-were-asleep babies!
My parents conceived me using artificial insemination with their own egg and sperm (before someone confuses it: different from IVF), and trust me, I do not think of myself as some adult version of an “artificial insemination baby.” I am a person. I like reading, making jewelry, and cuddling my cats. I’m graduating from law school this May and getting married next May. All these things are things I’ve done myself and they define me a heck of a lot more than how I was conceived, thanks.
We don’t kill born children because their fathers commit incest or rape. The unborn ones don’t deserve to die any more than the born ones do.
This is so sad and horrible. I admire these young ladies for coming forward.
And if the mother knew about what he was doing, she is a “perp by omission” and should be jailed, too.
Excellent points, Marauder.
All children deserve a chance at life. I would adopt a baby of any conception.
Call me, A Backseat In the Car in Grandma’s Driveway Baby. :>) !!
I’m ‘I’m glad to be alive’ baby, since 7 of my older brothers and sisters either died before birth or shortly after. I’m the first one to make it – at 2 lbs. 4 oz at 6 months of gestation…
No – we should not have incest or rape victims abort – since that child should not die because of the crimes of the father’s cruel and sinful behavior. Should the child get the death penalty (less than the father will be charged with?).
I admire these beautiful women coming forward also. And Biggz – the child conceived in rape or incest is a human also – can you look Rebecca Kiessling in the eye and say to her face that she should be dead? look at http://www.rebeccakiessling.com and see her… I have met her personally and had her to my church for a pro-life talk. She is beautiful inside and out – a child of God who is making a difference in the world!
Remember what we are talking about here – real life humans – and real life death for the innocent baby. Should the father pay for his crimes? YOU BET! Sorry this is nearly 20 years too late – but he should pay for his bad and destructive behavior….
Years before abortion was legal, I read an article about females who had undergone illegal abortions. One said, “I had an abortion because I could not marry the father because he was my brother.”
One thing that occurred to me even then was that it would have been possible for the pregnancy to be carried to term within marriage to another man. This is called “paternity fraud” and despised by many men. However, women throughout history have, in all likelihood, ensured birth within marriage for their offspring by misleading other men into thinking they were the fathers so they would marry the pregnant woman.
It might also have been possible for this girl or woman to marry a man who knew he wasn’t the father but would agree to play the role of father.
Something else no one has mentioned is that there are reasons for the incest taboo. One is that children of incest are more likely than others to suffer medical problems or deformities. They are more likely than others to be special needs children. This isn’t an argument for abortion but means special provisions must be made for them.
Maybe we should start referring to all babies by the circumstances under which they were conceived. Wedding night babies! Post-divorce fling babies! Early-Friday-morning-while-the-older-kids-were-asleep babies!
LOL, really!! Great post, all around.
Ninek…..you crack me up! :D
I met a girl in college who had been forcibly beaten and raped and later discovered she was pregnant by the rapist. She told me that everyone encouraged her to get an abortion, and some practically demanded it, but she said, “Having an abortion would have meant being raped AGAIN. It was horrible enough the first time and I wasn’t about to be violated again by granting “permission”. It was NOT a “happy” pregnancy by any means whatsoever, but I knew it wasn’t the child’s fault that she came into being. Giving her up for adoption and NOT killing her allows me to sleep at night. I never even saw her, but in my heart I know she’s well and thriving and that makes me very happy.”
Incidentally, not that it needs to be said, but those Brown daughters are all GORGEOUS ! :)
Every-friday-morning-while-the-older-kids-were-asleep babies! I think that’s at least 2 of mine! Lol!
I am “Met-a-weird-but-cute-older-Puerto-Rican-man-in-a-bar-and-got-drunk-went-back-to-his-apartment” baby!! Woo-hoo!!
The reason for the rape/incest exception that is so often made is that many people believe that if a female voluntarily engages in the sort of sex that can result in pregnancy, she has taken on a particular sort of risk and owes it to the unborn to endure the costs associated with carrying the pregnancy to term and giving birth. They believe that a rape or incest victim hasn’t taken on this risk and thus, does not owe it to the unborn to endure the costs of carrying to term and giving birth.
Another reason for this exception is that they may be unwilling to force a rape or incest victim to endure the suffering that may result from being forced carry to term and give birth. However, they see the female who voluntarily had sex as less worthy of sympathy for any suffering she may experience from carrying to term and giving birth. They also think the suffering might be less than for the female pregnant through rape or incest.
Maurder,
LOL you make an excellent point…but what about the people who don’t know exactly what the circumstances were other than the fact their parents were married when they were conceived?
I suppose we could call them post-wedding-ceremony-babies :-)
I’m wondering though, if maybe it would be a bit of TMI? LOL
Mike,
That’s a beautiful story about that girl who had the baby even after being raped. God bless her for her self-LESS act :-)
“But if abortion were illegal, adolescent pregnancy would be evidence a crime has been committed.”
Oh, it’s not demeaning at all to treat people like walking pieces of evidence. But then again, a BRAND NEW BABY!!!!1 will cure anyone of the humiliation of being sexually abused and then forced to carry around a smoking gun.
Does abortion cure them of the humiliation of being sexually abused, Megan?
Probably not, Marauder, but at a moment when someone’s liberty has been robbed of them, they deserve the ability to make this crucial choice about their body and future. If that means having the baby, all the more power to them. If it means having an abortion, then that desire should be validated.
Validated?
I think you mean CELEBRATED! We are supposed to celebrate every birth and every abortion right Megs?
An ultrasound of a 6 month old baby conceived in rape and a 6 month old baby conceived in a loving marriage look different how exactly?
An ultrasound of a 6 month old baby conceived in rape and a 6 month old baby conceived in a loving marriage look different how exactly?
(Denise) At no point in the pregnancy does the embryo or fetus conceived in rape differ from that conceived in a loving marriage. The problem is that the unborn are inside the bodies of females who must CARRY and GIVE BIRTH to them if they are to live. The FEELINGS of the pregnant female about her condition may differ radically in the two cases. Feelings or emotions are important because they are motivators. Even the supposedly non-emotional Mr. Spock really had emotions such as loyalty and curiosity. The problem with pregnancy is that the circumstances of the pregnancy may motivate one female to get good medical care because she eagerly looks forward to the birth and another to do everything she can to eject the unborn from her body because she feels so utterly repulsed by her condition.
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Yes. Denise.
You put the word PROBLEM with the word PREGNANCY enough for me to understand that you see a problem with pregnancy.
The question was more for Megan, but thanks.
A woman may be utterly repulsed by the rape that happened to her and STILL go through counseling and gratefully and willingly give birth to a child conceived in rape.
Abortion does not unrape someone. It does not heal rape.
It might also have been possible for this girl or woman to marry a man who knew he wasn’t the father but would agree to play the role of father.
St. Joseph you stood by Mary and took on the role of father to Jesus in spite of your doubts. St. Joseph I beg you to pray for us to Jesus. Please ask His Sacred Heart to light a fire in the hearts of all good men who will stand by frightened women and help us end this holocaust against women and children once and for all. Amen.
Denise,
I have deleted two of your posts so far. Your sexual references are TMI.
“A woman may be utterly repulsed by the rape that happened to her and STILL go through counseling and gratefully and willingly give birth to a child conceived in rape.
Absolutely possible. And if not? What if she doesn’t GRATEFULLY and WILLINGLY give birth?
Feelings or emotions are important because they are motivators
Yeah, like the feelings and emotions that motivated the mother who shot her teens for mouthing off.
I guess my ex-husband is fortunate that I didn’t use my feelings and emotions to motivate my actions in the past because he’d currently be pushing up daisies. As it stands, I have another day to pray for him and he has another day to accept Christ.
Don’t base decisions about another’s life on your feelings or emotions. Feelings change from day to day. Death is forever.
You tell me, Megs.
Unless it’s the start of a “forced birth” series.
Not interested.
Oh, I know you’re not. But you seem to invest too much faith in the power of talk therapy. If I were raped, couldn’t access EC or it didn’t work and I got pregnant, I’d tell you where to get off with your counseling. But that’s just me.
Would still really love to know what you mean by this
What if she doesn’t GRATEFULLY and WILLINGLY give birth?
Do you mean what if she is all angry and despondent and p***ed that she is going to give birth? How would you help her, Megs? At that point it is a little late to be wondering What to do isn’t it? Unless you would help her get a late term abortion.
You don’t know that I “invest too much faith” in talk therapy. Rape survivors need help and support and encouragement. That’s just the truth of the matter. Does that include talking? Why yes. Yes it does.
You tell us where to get off every time you come here.
Although it’s not the same thing as an adult father victimizing minors, the famous Cleopatra was a child conceived through incest. She was the result of several generations of ancient Egyptian brother-sister marriages. Should she have been aborted?