Like a bad neighbor, Planned Parenthood is there
I keep an eye on the Planned Parenthood Express in Orland Park, IL, near where I live.
I get creeped out every time I drive by. It’s a very unwelcoming place; the blinds are always drawn. Come to think of it, I’ve never seen a Planned Parenthood that wasn’t trying to keep the light out.
And I’ve also noticed that the storefront next door to this one has remained vacant for quite some time. A Subway restaurant used to rent that space, but it moved out over three years ago to a spot half a block down the street. I figure no one wants to be Planned Parenthood’s neighbor, and with the glut of office space available, why should they?
So I called the real estate agent about the empty suite today. The guy said it has been vacant 1-1/2 years, which is short by 1-1/2 years.
I asked about the Planned Parenthood. He asked if it was a problem. I said it sure might be, were there pickets there? He said he wasn’t aware of any, although I happen to know pro-lifers protest in front of this Planned Parenthood one Saturday a month.
At any rate, here’s another simple way to stigmatize Planned Parenthood. Tell its neighbors – tell its landlord – that it is unwelcome.
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
Someone needs to open up a crisis pregnancy center in that office space next door!
In Providence, RI, the Planned Parenthood is in the new gentrified area of the city which is also home to a local university.
Planned Parenthood Express? Sounds like a fast-food restaurant. Do they do abortions at this location or only do referrals?
There is one near me.
They do abortion referrals but market to the younger crowd with lotions and perfumes and colorful condoms. You can get your pills. I think the one near me even has those key chains you can put a condom in!! neato
Carla, why do I get the feeling these Express locations are relatively close to middle and high schools?
I’ve been at those monthly protests from time to time – they’ve been going on for years. Also, the annual Life Chain goes right past that same PP.
I believe this PP refers abortions to the huge Aurora abortion mill.
Like Holiday Inn Express, only opposite.
“I’m completely ignorant of basic human development and biology-I got my abortion referral from Planned Parenthood Express yesterday!”
Bash Planned Pregnancy all you want but spend more time forming an alternative Planned PREGNANCY organization that will take a variety of measures to end the “crisis” pregnancy while rejecting abortion.
They are called Pregnancy Resource Centers!! There are thousands of these centers in the US. Find your nearest one, volunteer your time and talent and money. They are already doing what should be done!! Join them!!
http://www.covenantnews.com/pregnant/
give us the phone number to the place and id be happy to call them and tell them off. heck i do it all the time to our local planned parenthoods. anyway always remember that all planned parenthoods do not perform abortions but they all point women to their main death camp if they are seeking one. equally evil.
Here you go. :)
http://www.plannedparenthood.org/health-center/centerDetails.asp?f=3102&a=0&v=details
lol just called em!!!!
i sure did tell the girl on the phone how much i resent them moving in. i was actually surprised she didnt hang up or rant and rave as they often do.
yep just read laura loos comment. they do that here too. our main death camp is in bedford ohio. they have a few in the burbs and one upb the street from me but the one in the burbs started the ru486 abortions. we protest them all. and most of them are dishing out plan B
Hi Kate,
The ones I know of are in strip malls. Made to look like harmless little boutiques.
May the name Planned Parenthood cause people to turn away in disgust!!
http://www.lifenews.com/2007/08/26/nat-3302/
Condom in a key chain?
Carla says:
November 19, 2011 at 8:29 am
They are called Pregnancy Resource Centers!!
(Denise) They help girls and women with crisis pregnancies. I’m talking about an organization that will work to PREVENT crisis pregnancies in the first place and embrace all reasonable means to do so.
The PP near me is in a strip mall, too and, ironically, right next door to a dentist office who caters specifically to CHILDREN. I have no idea if they do abortions at that particular PP, or only referrals.
heather says:
November 19, 2011 at 9:03 am
give us the phone number to the place and id be happy to call them and tell them off. heck i do it all the time to our local planned parenthoods. anyway always remember that all planned parenthoods do not perform abortions but they all point women to their main death camp if they are seeking one. equally evil.
(Denise) But where is Planned PREGNANCY?
An organization to PREVENT pregnancies that might be aborted?
When there are organizations(Pregnancy Resource Centers)that ALREADY do what is proven to be effective and are successful at it we must jump in and join them!!
Denise,
You are so chock full of ideas that I shall leave you to determine which ones you will run with. The Planned Pregnancy Police can go door to door….!!!
I’m talking about an organization that will work to PREVENT crisis pregnancies in the first place and embrace all reasonable means to do so.
The Catholic Church does exactly this.
“d id be happy to call them and tell them off. heck i do it all the time to our local planned parenthoods.”
So you pro-lifers are OK with phone harassment? And you wonder why some people view you as meddlesome extremists? BTW, “Heather,” if you make a habit of harassing Planned Parenthood, you could eventually be in some legal trouble. Just saying…Despite my dislike of the Catholic church and the pro-life movement, I would neither harass them nor condone anybody who did. Inasmuch as I have an issue with certain Crisis Pregnancy Centers, I would never phone them just to scold them as they do have a job and phone harassment takes them away from it. But thanks for the comment. It’s very instructive.
I’m talking about an organization that will work to PREVENT crisis pregnancies in the first place and embrace all reasonable means to do so.
The Catholic Church does exactly this
ROFLMAO. A church that condemns contraception and pre-marital sex (both of which are done by Catholics) is working to prevent pregnancy? Seriously? They certainly pushed that message in my high school and the good Catholic girls were the ones who had to disappear because of their crisis pregnancies. Shouldn’t they be working to clean up their own house and not trying to impose their reproductive theology on all American women, many of whom are not members of the Catholic Church?
Denise,
Just curious what you think such an organization would do, exactly? The vast majority of people who have abortions are grown women, who know perfectly well how babies are made. And, in my experience, the poorer a community is, the more saturated it is with free condoms and information on avoiding pregnancy. Also, I think an important fact that people overlook is that many women do not really not try to get pregnant because they think they wouldn’t mind having a baby, and thus use contraception sporadically. However, when they actually do get pregnant the father is not supportive or she realizes it will be more difficult than she realizes, etc. and she aborts.
cc not if you address them in a respectful tone. hahahaha no problems over the years so dont worry bout me. i call komen too!
Adair says:
November 19, 2011 at 12:36 pm
Denise,
Just curious what you think such an organization would do, exactly? The vast majority of people who have abortions are grown women, who know perfectly well how babies are made. And, in my experience, the poorer a community is, the more saturated it is with free condoms and information on avoiding pregnancy. Also, I think an important fact that people overlook is that many women do not really not try to get pregnant because they think they wouldn’t mind having a baby, and thus use contraception sporadically. However, when they actually do get pregnant the father is not supportive or she realizes it will be more difficult than she realizes, etc. and she aborts.
(Denise) The first order of day would be providing strong incentive to avoid a problem pregnancy. A woman coming in for counsel would be shown pictures of embryos and fetuses. This non-pregnant woman would know how early the unborn are “formed” in a pregnancy and urged to take the information home and perhaps post it on a wall.
Contraception would be discussed at length. She would be urged to try to double up, perhaps insisting on a condom even as she used a contraceptive only a female can use. She would be guided to the most effective contraceptives.
Alternative sexual acts that don’t lead to pregnancy would be discussed at length and she would be urged to consider limiting her sex life to these alternatives if not prepared to carry to term. Hopefully, her boyfriend or husband might come into this discussion as well. To avoid a pregnancy that might end in tragedy, would he be willing to pursue a sex life sans a certain sex act?
She would discuss why she has a heterosexual relationship. Would she be better off celibate? The counselor would discuss ways to satisfy emotional and physical wants while abstaining from an intimate relationship with a man.
She would be asked if she believes her family is complete. If that is the case, she would discuss the possibility of a tubal ligation.
What would she do IF she became pregnant? Adoption would be discussed — realistically and truthfully with its positives, its negatives and how they might be influenced by open adoption.
All of them above would be part of a Planned Pregnancy organization.
phone harassment cc? lol i have a say so when my tax dollars pay for abortions. cc worry about yourself and your own soul and salvation.since youre an abortion pimp. and i also call now and naral and im sure the cops would have been at my.door had there been a problem. i dont call and hang up.and .call back again. i tell them something logical. now i gotta go to work. cc thanks for the concern but really im.fine;)
They certainly pushed that message in my high school and the good Catholic girls were the ones who had to disappear because of their crisis pregnancies.
If any Catholic girl or boy had a crisis pregnancy before marriage, I guess they must have been having pre-marital sex. Had they only followed Church teachings against premarital sex, there would have been no crisis pregnancies.
I know. My Catholic boyfriend and I didn’t listen to what the Church taught either. Why was I so surprised when I found myself in a crisis pregnancy? I shouldn’t have been.
A teacher can only teach, but cannot force a student to learn. Some of we Catholics were poor students. Some Catholics still are.
Most people are poor students, Praxedes. I think that’s what CC and Ms. Noe are getting at.
Honesty in biology class in high school, sex education with an emphasis on failure rates and incorrect use coupled with more information or a refresher on human development would probably be helpful, along with more STD information like pictures and complete disease information. People need to stop pretending like sex can be made 100% “safe” and kids can be trusted to use contraception flawlessly. We don’t even trust them to drive, because driving is dangers and can take human life. Why would we trust them with an act that can create human life? “Kids will be kids.” is not an attitude we can take about something as important as creating new living human beings, which is what the biological function of copulation is. It’s time to stop coddling the kids and give it to them straight. Sex is not recreation for children, it is a serious adult activity FOR A REASON.
This should all be done through our schools, with direct contact made to each child’s parent regarding the material and so that the parents can present their child with any non-factual instruction they deem appropriate for their child specifically. This could be an additional department within the school, but the administration of this department would be in constant contact with the parents of any children who seek this out directly. It is also time to stop acting like cutting parents out of this equation is the right thing to do. It doesn’t help, it makes things worse.
Hows this, for starters?
How about putting in a crisis pregnancy center right next door? One could call it ‘women’s help center’ or something, and help women come in for free help to a pregnancy test, ultrasound, clothes, help in education for parenting/education and referrals to other agencies that will help women with housing, GED, transportation, babysitting, etc. A great opportunity. Can you imagine if there was a 24 hour chapel there to pray for an end to abortion and for constant help to women and families? They could even give out food.
Just a thought.
It is also time to stop acting like cutting parents out of this equation is the right thing to do. It doesn’t help, it makes things worse.
Absolutely, xalisae!
Most people are poor students, Praxedes. I think that’s what CC and Ms. Noe are getting at.
I agree that many people are poor students but I disagree that this is what CC was getting at (I’m usually unsure what Denise is getting at). I think CC would prefer Catholic teachers to teach what the students want to hear. Or for teachers to teach CC’s version of the truth, even if it’s not the Truth.
What do you say CC and Ms. Noe? Do you think the Church should change one or more of it’s teachings?
Actually, I think that CC wants the Church out of everyone’s life – on nearly every matter, but especially in faith and morals. That way, she can live as she wants with no consequences and no responsibilities… resulting in not having to have introspection, desire for improvement and change of behavior.
Unfortunately, in all matters, there are responsibilities and consequences for personal actions. This is in family life, work life, personal life an public life in all aspects.
Everyone affects one another. Let’s hope that people will act for the good – in all things – so that love wins out, and our actions elevate ourselves and the entire world, instead of the opposite.
Praxedes says:
November 19, 2011 at 3:16 pm
What do you say CC and Ms. Noe? Do you think the Church should change one or more of it’s teachings?
(Denise) What a church teaches is not for me to say as I am a member of no church. I’m an atheist. However, I get along with religious people quite well. One of my best friends is a devout Roman Catholic and head of a Crisis Pregnancy Center. Another close friend is a Protestant Christian minister. I am on friendly terms with a Jehovah’s Witness who makes the rounds in our neighborhood. I have good friends who are observant Conservative Jews. I’m no longer in touch with him but I was very friendly with a young man who is Wiccan and I have a close friend through email who is Wiccan. I don’t try to talk anyone out of their religious beliefs.
A few years ago, I made it my project to read the Bible, both Old New Testaments, from the first “In the beginning” of Genesis to the last “Amen” of Revelation. I completed the project. That reading gave me much material for essays and poems.
yuck….
And I like the idea of a CPC next door….with a big sign that says FREE ULTRASOUND in the window!
Contraception is already pushed on girls….the pill has a lot of bad side effects…including blood clots and increased risk of Breast Cancer. That’s not what should be in a young girl’s body…especially since the hormones are artificial.
LizFromNebraska says:
November 20, 2011 at 11:19 pm
Contraception is already pushed on girls….the pill has a lot of bad side effects…including blood clots and increased risk of Breast Cancer. That’s not what should be in a young girl’s body…especially since the hormones are artificial.
(Denise) Doesn’t PREGNANCY have many possibly bad side effects? I know a woman who carried to term but the pregnancy went wrong. The baby died shortly after birth and she was left sterile. There are still girls and women DYING in childbirth.
If a girl is fertile, she is likely to be at least afraid of pregnancy either through rape or through impulsive behavior, and that fear can have many negative effects in and of itself. Putting her on SOME sort of contraception is a way of protecting her from something that can be psychologically disastrous — and avoiding a pregnancy that may end very badly with an abortion, her suicide, etc.
I should add that we need to work to encourage greater adult supervision of minors, both boys and girls. Many sex acts leading to pregnancy occur impulsively. A teen boy and girl are alone together. Teenagers have notoriously limited time horizons so they tend not to think ahead and may act rashly. They follow the powerful impulses biology has implanted in them. Without arguing the question of abortion’s legality or illegality, the fact is that I think we would all prefer that immature teen girls — who are unmarried — NOT get pregnant. Greater adult supervision would work to stem this as would having all fertile females who are not trying to get pregnant be on contraceptives as a matter of course. Again I want to stress that I do NOT encourage young people to engage in any partnered sex, least of all the type of sex that leads to pregnancy. But if they do engage in such activities, it is important that the girl not have a problem pregnancy as a result. Such pregnancies lead to many deplorable things — including the horror of abortion.
CC says: November 18, 2011 at 6:36 pm In Providence, RI, the Planned Parenthood is in the new gentrified area of the city which is also home to a local university.
I suppose it would be too complicated for CC to make a post that wasn’t dripping with classism and arrogance. “Oh, look at us! We are so wealthy and privileged! We are so above you less desirable classes and you should model yourselves after us in every way you can! After all, we are wealthy and privileged and that must make my side right!” The bigotry in these posts is so incredibly disgusting.
The fact is that abortion isn’t the only thing PP does. It also helps with contraception — which prevents pregnancies that would be aborted. What would happen if PP disappeared? There might be less use of contraception and, thus, MORE abortion.
Forming an alternative that promotes contraception, sexual alternatives — and yes, abstinence — is important. Otherwise, focusing on PP is basically spinning your wheels. Pregnancies that cause panic and rejection are at the root of this horror. Root them out and abortion withers as it should.
Ms. Noe and CC:
did you look at my suggestions at all or consider them? I mean, I did address my last post on this thread to you two…Would the things I suggest not be a reasonable start to a solution?
xalisae says:
November 19, 2011 at 1:46 pm
Most people are poor students, Praxedes. I think that’s what CC and Ms. Noe are getting at. Honesty in biology class in high school, sex education with an emphasis on failure rates and incorrect use coupled with more information or a refresher on human development would probably be helpful, along with more STD information like pictures and complete disease information. People need to stop pretending like sex can be made 100% “safe” and kids can be trusted to use contraception flawlessly. We don’t even trust them to drive, because driving is dangers and can take human life. Why would we trust them with an act that can create human life? “Kids will be kids.” is not an attitude we can take about something as important as creating new living human beings, which is what the biological function of copulation is.
(Denise) I like these suggestions, Xalisae!
However, one thing to remember about teenagers is that, in general, they tend to take risks. Their minds don’t compute risks the same way that adult minds do which accounts for much reckless behavior. Thus, warnings are not necessarily enough. We must ensure greater adult supervision. A boy and a girl alone together, both in puberty, tend to drift into sex — which leads inevitably to horror. Adult supervision is important.
However, I’ll say again, X, I support your suggestions! Sex isn’t just a way to have fun. It is intrinsically laden with serious consequences — in many ways, DEADLY serious consequences. Emphasis in sex ed classes should be where you suggest it should be. Thank you.
I agree, Denise, and I also addressed that in my second paragraph. What I envision would be an entire student health department in the school, and the administrators would act as extra eyes and ears for parents as well as a buffer between kids and parents for the few who might be in abusive home situations, with an emphasis on keeping kids healthy, mentally and physically, which both entail preventing sexual activity. ;)
I work at a Planned Parenthood in a small community. The best part of my job is helping young women and men who are worried, frightened or confused, and educating them about pregnancy prevention and STD prevention. 97% of what I do is prevention. Why are the windows tinted or the blinds drawn on a Planned Parenthood Clinic? To follow HIPAA regulations and provide patient privacy and employee safety. It is certainly your right to believe that abortion is a bad thing that you would never do yourself, but I wonder if you can even imagine the difficult situations that occur and how hard it is for most women to contemplate. At my clinic, if a woman is undecided about an unintended pregnancy we offer options counseling to help her make her decision. We have a wonderful unbiased logical list of “Pregnancy Decision Making” questions to help a woman think through her decision. Options Counseling includes discussing Adoption and Parenting. If a woman arrives at the clinic to have an abortion but seems uncertain about her decision, we send her away. My biggest responsibility at my job is to PREVENT unintended pregnancy with one on one education in a private setting where a young person can feel free to ask difficult questions.
It is certainly your right to believe that abortion is a bad thing that you would never do yourself, but I wonder if you can even imagine the difficult situations that occur and how hard it is for most women to contemplate.
Yes, actually, I can. I’ve been there. I was there losing the only job to be had between my daughter’s father and I, getting kicked out of the only place I had to live, being told that I should have her killed in an abortion by her father, being told by my coworker before I left my (dangerous for my child) job about how wonderful her abortion was for her and that it was the best thing I could ever do for myself…And you know what? NONE of that crap matters or mattered. Whether or not it’s bad and I would or wouldn’t do it is absolutely irrelevant to the fact that my daughter is and was a fu#$^%ing human being who deserved the right to live regardless of what my circumstances EVER were or what her father’s circumstances ever were, either. Was I in a sh!tty situation? Was it “oh, such a hard, difficult thing to contemplate”? YEAH. You know why? Because killing your child, even THINKING about killing your child, is FU@#$@ING WRONG, no matter WHAT your circumstances were.
People like you make me wish I would’ve at least made it to the clinic for a “counseling session” so I could tell you where you can shove your murderous instruments.
Happy Thanksgiving! ^_^
Hi Ali,
What kind of services, resources do you offer to young pregnant women who DO NOT want to kill their child by abortion? Prenatal care, ultrasounds, prenatal vitamins? What do you give to women after they have had their babies? Free formula, diapers, strollers? Parenting classes?
What kind of services do you offer to me? I am post abortive and still regret my decision after 21 years. Any advice for me or would you just tell me what they told me at the mill? ”Now you can move on with your life!!”
Choice=Abortion
You know it. I know it. Everyone knows it.
Ali, What are the stats at your clinic of women/girls who have informed a PP staff member that they are pregnant and then who go on to give birth to a living baby? What is the number of women/girls who come pregnant to your clinic who go on to abort their baby?
How about stats just for the last 5 years? This shouldn’t be too hard to find out. I’ve heard PP keeps great records.
I’m sorry for all the heart ache many of you have suffered. Carla, I’m especially sorry for your pain over all these years. For women who are agonizing over their decision after the fact there is an anonymous counseling service http://exhaleprovoice.org/. Today aortion follow-up appointments always include questions about how the client is dealing emotionally and counseling services referrals are provided. To any woman who is feeling very torn about her choices I remind her that this is a decision she will live with for the rest of her life.
I don’t have access to the precise statistics but off the top of my head I would say that fewer than 15% of my pregnant patients choose to terminate their pregnancy. My local PP does not offer prenatal services. We do not have the training or the facilities for such. We always recommend prenatal vitamins to women of child bearing age and most especially stress them for women who are pregnant. We provide Pregnancy Care information to educate a client on the best health for herself and her unborn child. We have a list of local OB/Gyn clinics that we provide. I go into as much detail as the client needs on this information. I also explain to them how to access social services and state aid if they need it.
Additionally, I would like to add that abstinence is part of our birth control counseling and so is encouraging underage clients to talk with their parents. Sometimes parents come in with their offspring.
Choice = Choice. Your choice is to be adamantly opposed to abortion. I respect that. I respect your conviction. I hope someday you will take note of the many good things that Planned Parenthood does. We are not all about abortion.
Carla, please take care of Ali. It is so rare I’m speechless, but today–and the above comment–is the day/.