Obama vs. Santorum: Again, who’s the extremist on abortion?
I spoke at two pro-life events over the weekend and both times had shocked people approach me afterward to say they had voted for Barack Obama in 2008 having no idea he supported abortion, never mind infanticide.
It certainly wasn’t for our lack of trying that the masses remained ignorant about Obama’s radical abortion advocacy, which he has taken to the point of blocking a bill to protect abortion survivors. The fusion of Obama mania and mainstream media cover-up kept them in the dark.
But three years later the masses have become skeptical of Obama, giving pro-lifers a second chance to expose him.
I dream of an honestly held presidential debate, where journalists have not only the wherewithal but inclination to ask candidates the right questions on abortion.
If history is a guide, that will probably not happen. As Brent Bozell of Media Research Center told Sean Hannity on January 6:
How’s this for a number: 1,289 network news stories on Barack Obama in 2008, only six ever mentioned his position on the Born Alive Bill, which is a bill to save the life of a baby that survives a partial-birth abortion and he stopped even that…. No one ever called that extreme.
But one Republican candidate from the current field is perfectly suited to showcase how extreme Obama is on the abortion issue: Rick Santorum.
Abortion groups like to portray Santorum as the “extreme” one on abortion. Really? Let’s compare.
As U.S. senator, Santorum sponsored the federal Born Alive Infants Protection Act, drafted to protect babies who survive abortions. About it pro-abortion Senator Barbara Boxer said on the Senate floor, “Of course we believe everyone born should have the protections of this bill…. Who could be more vulnerable than a newborn baby? So, of course, we agree with that…. We join with an ‘aye’ vote on this. I hope it will, in fact, be unanimous.” It was.
Meanwhile Obama voted against the identically worded bill in the Illinois state senate. His rationale, as the only senator debating against it: “[I]t would essentially bar abortions, because the equal protection clause does not allow somebody to kill a child, and if this is a child, then this would be an antiabortion statute.”
Again, who’s the extremist on abortion?
As U.S. senator, Santorum sponsored the federal Partial-Birth Abortion Ban, drafted to stop abortionists from stabbing mostly delivered late-term babies in the nape of the neck, suctioning their brains out, collapsing the skull, and delivering them dead.
Meanwhile state Senator Obama voted against the Illinois version of the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban and predicted the federal ban would be declared unconstitutional. It wasn’t. Obama went so far as to issue a fundraising appeal in wife Michelle’s name calling partial-birth abortion a “legitimate medical procedure.”
Again, who’s the extremist on abortion?
As U.S. senator, Santorum sponsored the Child Custody Protection Act, drafted to stop adults from trafficking minors across state lines for abortions to avoid parental notification laws.
As U.S. senator, Obama voted against that same bill. Twice.
Again, who’s the extremist on abortion?
If, after the dust settles, Santorum is the Republican presidential candidate left standing, Obama will quickly find himself in a situation above his paygrade on the abortion issue.
And America will finally get to see who the real extremist is.
[Cartoon via the Chicago Sun-Times, August 25, 2004]
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
Left out someone’s name. I can guess who though.
“As U.S. senator, Santorum sponsored the Child Custody Protection Act, drafted to stop adults from trafficking minors across state lines for abortions to avoid parental notification laws.
???? As U.S. senator, voted against that same bill. Twice.
Again, who’s the extremist on abortion?”
Great Truth ,Brava Jill Stanek!
I, too, did not know of Obama’s stance on abortion – but at the time I wasn’t involved in the pro-life movement. I have always been pro-life but did not know the true horrors and expect of abortion and did not go out of my way to stop it.
I was only 19 at the time – and I am certainly glad to have been enlightened about all of this.
I suspect Obama treats Bo better than babies….like Susan Estrich….
http://prolifeintn.blogspot.com/2012/01/estrich-on-dogs-and-babiesisnt-her.html
Amber, I will cut you slack as you were a new voter. But to other voters.. how could they not know? It was on his very own campaign website that he supported abortion! A simple google search would have revealed how pro-abortion he is.
It scares me that people are voting without truly searching out a candidate’s position on things. Even conservatives. I think we need to not vote just because someone is a certain party. I also think that just because someone says they are pro-life we need to make sure they really are.
The thing that REALLY riles me up though are my friends who say they are pro-life and yet knew Obama was rabidly pro-abortion and yet still voted for him! One friend voted for him just because he is black (She is a sweet, moral, Godly, black girl and yet she voted for this man just because she wanted to see a black person in the white house). I want to see a woman in the white house but you won’t catch me supporting Hillary Clinton or Nancy Pelosi!
Other friends just liked that Obama wasn’t a “politician” so they took an “oh well” approach to his pro-abortion position. I wanted to smack my head in frustration.
Thanks Sydney ;)
I didn’t vote for Obama though – I didn’t vote at all. I was away at college and didn’t do an absentee ballet in time – I’ll be home this year, though, and ready to vote pro-life :)
I used to think Obama might be the antichrist, but then I realized the antichrist would probably be a lot smarter.
GREAT article. We need every voter in SC to read this!
I’m beginning to think this is issue is precisely why the media is playing up Romney. If Santorum becomes the candidate, they won’t be able to dodge the issue/carry Obama for long – otherwise Santorum won’t give them any soundbites.
If the US does learn the real content of Barack Obama’s character, they’ll be completely disgusted. On the other hand, there’s many who really don’t care at this point…
From your keyboard to God’s ears, Jill… let Santorum be the only one left standing!! I relish the thought of watching Rick mop the floor with Obama during the debates. And Rick won’t need a teleprompter to do it.
I think in a debate Rick can beat Obama on any topic. On the topic of abortion, Santorum will expose Obama for the coward he is.
At this point, I find it hard to see any other GOP politician debating Obama.
HEY PRO-LIFERS. Have you heard that Karen Santorum lived with an abortion doctor for 6 years. Is it just a coincidence that Ms. Stanek hasn’t mentioned it?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/18/karen-santorum-abortion-doctor_n_1214964.html
Hey CC…you want pro-lifers to stop supporting Santorum for what his wife did??
CC, Very typical of pro-killers. When all else fails, attack character! Everyone has mistakes in their past. What matters is what they do about it now. Also, Karen Santorum isn’t running for president. Rick is.
CC, are you saying that Pro-aborts aren’t worth dating???
LOL CC – I am not even a Santorum supporter and I know that is a failed argument. His WIFE lived with an abortionist – not HIM.
I was pro-choice in my 20’s too. Thank God for pro-life conversions!
Yep, smear campaigns against conservative politicians. Hallmark of the US “‘progressive” movement. That, and name-calling, usually using offensive terms with sexual innuendos. The more exposure I have to left-wing rhetoric, the less respect I have for them. No wonder the country is so divided.
My dearest CC, have you never heard of redemption… forgiveness… grace? We do not hold anyone’s past against them, thank God.
The real extremist is whoever wrote the bill because we all know what the true intent of it was.
But in this instance, santorum is the extremist because he will attempt to go much, much further and completely ban abortion. Then he’ll go after contraceptives.
Its rather obvious.
Hey CC, You missed my questions on another thread thank goodness I found you at this one. On that thread you stated you worked in social services and stated most accused rapists/abusers were prosecuted. Looking for some confirmation regarding what you state as truth, so I will ask you here again:
What state and county are you talking about here, CC? What years are you talking about? What were the number of people accused of rape and how many were found guilty in a court of law? What were the number of people that were accused of abuse and then found guilty in a court of law? What was your job title and how were you privy to these statistics?
I don’t mean to derail this thread but would like some answers to what proaborts pass around as facts. Obama avoids the truth as well and I would love to see Santorum take him on.
“CC, Very typical of pro-killers. When all else fails, attack character! Everyone has mistakes in their past. What matters is what they do about it now.”
Except in the case of Barack Obama, of course. It’s perfectly acceptable to dredge up instances of him voting against bills in the Illinois State Senate that were redundant and pointless prohibitions on things that were already illegal at the federal level (and therefore applicable to citizens of Illinois, per the Supremacy clause) in an effort to attack his character.
Santoroum is going to need quite the ace up his sleeve to even make it to super Tuesday.
At this point, it looks like he’s going to finish last in South Carolina.
He might be the most pro-life candidate…which in the world of the GOP, looks like that might not even be good enough for a top 3 finish.
Joan, are you serious? It’s not a character attack. Voting on bills is pretty much the only thing politicians do. We’re supposed to criticize them on their job. Good grief.
“Except in the case of Barack Obama, of course. It’s perfectly acceptable to dredge up instances of him voting against bills in the Illinois State Senate that were redundant and pointless prohibitions on things that were already illegal at the federal level”
Absolutely. Obama was joined by Republicans in this vote which would have outlawed all abortions in NH. The Chicago Tribune has totally debunked this stuff as well as Ms. Stanek’s allegations regarding dead babies in hospital closets which was totally discredited by the Illinois Attorney General. The federal law already covered this. The Illinois law was redundant and, if enacted, would have cost the state a lot of money to defend a law that would have been unconstitutional.
Oh, and I forgot to mention the case that I consider to be the ultimate triumph which involved a 17 year old girl that had been repeatedly raped by her daddy. When daddy turned his attention to her 15 year old sister, my client disclosed to the school what was happening. The case went to criminal court. A nice Catholic judge looked at my report and said that teenage girls lie a lot. When the female, pro-choice judge in criminal court looked at all the evidence, daddy was sentenced to 45 years.
One of my unit co-workers had a case involving a 2 year old and 5 year old who were pimped out by their mommy. Mommy lost custody of the girls and did some time in jail.
“Yep, smear campaigns against conservative politicians. Hallmark of the US “‘progressive” movement. That, and name-calling, usually using offensive terms with sexual innuendos.”
The doctor claimed it was true.
And Praxedes, while we’re at it, could you provide me with hard data regarding actual, substantiated accusations of sexual abuse and the prosecution/conviction numbers in your state. You can say that Planned Parenthood doesn’t disclose child abuse till you’re blue in the face but unless you have proof, then you have no case. As far as I know, there have been no prosecutions/convictions of PP based on your accusations. Right?
CC,
http://www.childpredators.com/
732 Planned Parenthood affiliates expressed willingness to circumvent mandatory reporting laws. That enough documentation for you?
“732 Planned Parenthood affiliates expressed willingness to circumvent mandatory reporting laws. That enough documentation for you?”
ROFLMAO. Your source is an anti-choice website which has tapes for evidence which was obviously not good enough for states attorneys general. Word to Andrew – tapes can be doctored.
And Praxedes. Do you have a Masters Degree in your field? I do. But if you don’t I understand. In many states, Catholic school teachers are not required to have the same level of education as public school teachers.
Ewwww, looks like I’m getting censored for providing my CV which had specific examples of successful sexual abuse prosecution. But maybe because the perps were mommy and daddy that bothers some people as it goes against “family values.” Go figure.
CC – A. In my state public school teachers do not need a Masters degree. B. You’re assuming that people who go to college, and then those who go on to further education, are somehow more intelligent than those who did not. I know plenty of unintelligent college graduates – and really smart people like my Dad who could not afford to go to college.
Case in point – you were supposed to help people in your field, yet you’re a pro-abort pro-death troll. Just because you have a Masters, doesn’t mean anything.
“And Praxedes, while we’re at it, could you provide me with hard data regarding actual, substantiated accusations of sexual abuse and the prosecution/conviction numbers in your state. ”
Nice diversion attempt, CC. I never made any claims on the topic, you did. And you can’t back up your claims. To be politically correct I will agree to disagree (to your face, I would call you what you are — a liar).
“In many states, Catholic school teachers are not required to have the same level of education as public school teachers.”
What does this have to do with anything? I do not teach in a Catholic school, but in a public school. However, I am Catholic. I know it shocks you that Catholics are allowed to teach in public schools or become judges for that matter.
No, I do not have a Masters in any field. If you consistently brought up how educated you were while your worked in social services, I can see why they didn’t want you there any longer. It’s not good for moral.
Obama was rated as the most extreme leftist in the US Senate when he was there. When he was an Illinois senator (my home state) he was also rated as the most liberal state senator. From this resume are we surprised to see an Alinskyite sitting in the oval office? Those of us who followed his career here in Illinois and who knew of his radicalism are not the least bit surprised. Jill exposed him in Illinois for what he was and nothing has changed for the better since then. Barack Hessein Obama has accomplished what few have done—to be to the left of his own extremist pro-abortion Democratic party.
Rick Santorum probably does not have a chance. Why? Because he will be vilified non-stop by the heterophobes and proabort elites that effectively control the major opinion making organs in our country. He is as fine a man that has ever served in the US Senate. He is no more an extremist than our own grandparents’ generation who held remarkably the same views as he does on life and marriage. By today’s pc rule book being for natural marriage between a man and a woman and wanting babies to be born is “extreme”. And with his convictions rooted in his Catholicism he will certainly be met with unrelenting criticism because of that.
It is instructive to learn from the last presidential election cycle to see the reach of the main stream media and how they protected Obama and steered the election to his favor. The same pro-Obama/anti-Republican effort will be made in this election cycle by the MSM, beginning tonight with the airing of the unedited and salacious allegations of a bitter ex-wife of one of the candidates, this by a network that sat on the John Edwards scandal for weeks and who as everyone knows only grudgingly ended up reporting the story along with the other MSM outlets after a muckraking journal took the lead. Remember, these are the same MSM networks who willingly participated in covering up and spinning allegations of rape and other “bimbo eruptions” by the Clinton operatives tasked with that responsibility. Finally the blue dress did him in.
Nevertheless come next January the people who do not want to be fooled a second time by the same deceit from a narcissistic, lazy (check out Chris Matthews on this), incompetent, golf playing while the rest of the country suffers, extremist proabort president will not sign up for a second go-around.
Jerry -
You place blame in all the wrong places. Santorum is in the GOP nomination process – being vilified non-stop by those groups would have helped his numbers. If he can’t win the GOP nomination, it has nothing to do with far left groups – it has everything to do with what the real make up of the GOP and their voters is…and what that make up wants.
This seems like a real good rant if Obama was beating Santorum head to head in late October…but seems oddly misplaced since Santorum isn’t running against Obama, but is running against other Republicans.
The best way to get rid of any troll infestations is to stop feeding them.
Carla – another good way to get rid of trolls is for standard board members to stop providing so much food through dumb comments and illogical statements!
This board is a feeding frenzy most days!
“The best way to get rid of any troll infestations is to stop feeding them.” – you’re not advocating starving people out are you Carla? That’s not very ‘pro-life’. ;-)
LOL good question for thought:
Are trolls human?
Should trolls be considered persons?
If trolls feed off of humans – aren’t they parasites?
Do trolls deserve rights?
What about my right to not be harassed by trolls?!
I am quite already with anybody at anytime saying “that is my opinion and I don’t invite anyone to give any logical rebuttals!”
Ex – Funny, that sounds exactly like 99% of the pro-aborts I know.
Good questions Amber!
Are trolls human? – who can be sure. The fact that they communicate on the same level indicates probable human likenesses at least. They also contain a mix of theists and atheists.
Should trolls be considered persons? – well since they display sentient qualities and literacy, probably.
If trolls feed off of humans – aren’t they parasites? – trolls only take what they are given so they don’t really qualify as parasites.
Do trolls deserve rights? – probably, for the above reasons. They may even be a higher lifeform, who knows.
What about my right to not be harassed by trolls?! – what about other peoples rights not to be harassed by you?
“Funny, that sounds exactly like 99% of the pro-aborts I know” – your logical rebuttals are invited, they just don’t get delivered.
“your logical rebuttals are invited, they just don’t get delivered.”
maybe to you – but not to the immature cry baby freaks I have to put up with :P
I think we need Obama to set aside a special day–Be Nice to Trolls Day. It seems life is tough for the trolls and they need a little TLC.
Hi Reality!!
Hi Ex Gop!!
Have a good weekend. :)
Thanks, I’m heading off now too Carla, have a good one!
How does anyone that votes not know what the person they vote for stands for. If you voted for Obama not knowing he votes in favor of everything pro choice then shame on you … it’s not like you are voting for prom queen. You are voting for life here …. c’mon people do your due diligence.
Agreed abortion…there is no excuse for not knowing. I consider myself pro-life, understood all the issues involved, and was fine voting for Obama. For those who claim they didn’t understand where politicians stand on issues – that’s on them.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/01/19/rick-santorum-ambushed-at-personhood-forum-by-abortion-flyers-ron-paul-fans.html
I knew Obama’s record way before hand and did my internet homework and voted against him. I am also appalled at the number of Christians who voted for him just to see history made..well, we made history alright and now we are going to get ourselves screwed by Obamacare and his proabortion agenda..that was his goal when he went into office…to make it so there was more abortion. Obama worships abortion..he lives for its right to exist..Those who do it and promote it are standing at the altar of human sacrifice in the name of choice! Whether they are wiccans and very aware of the connection (some are) or just ignorant people who believe in “choice” they are all giving homage to killing infants in the name of choice or saving the planet (nature worship!)
Abortion may be “legal” but so was slavery and that wasn’t right either! We dummy down abortion to make it a choice so we don’t have to finish the sentence “Abortion is the choice to kill your child!” Plain and simple..that is what it is…and Satan laughs as women leave the clinic when their choice turns out to be the wrong one and they live in despair for years until finding God’s forgiveness! Obama will be accountable to God for his actions on helping America kill her children and her future citizens. He will reap what he has sown.
and one more thing..ever notice that Obama does NOT make mention of Santorum when he is making negative comments about the Republican party? You know why?
Because he KNOWS that Santorum is his opposite and Romney is not! He KNOWS that Santorum can slay him in a debate hands down! He does not want to give attention to Santorum for fear that Americans will see him as the one who can beat him. Obama is scared of Rick Santorum..
All the more reason to pray that Rick gets the nomination..He LIVES his prolife views and has the tenacity to fight for the lives of all of us unborn to old! I say lets make sure Rick Santorum gets the GOP nomination so we can see a contrast to Obama!