70-yr-old pro-lifer arrested for spraying holy water
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Fecteau said the “unknown substance” was holy water that she keeps in a squirt bottle. She said she sprayed it because someone from the pro-choice group was walking close to her while burning a “noxious material.”
“I had been told repeatedly by my health care provider not to breathe in that smoke because it’s making me sick,” said Fecteau. “I can’t tell if (mist from the spray bottle) drifted on this lady’s face.”
Pamela Watters, organizer of the pro-choice group, said she believes Fecteau intentionally sprayed Cox and several others in the face.
“It was not labeled holy water,” Watters said Monday. “My people didn’t know what was in that bottle. It could have been ammonia, it could have been bleach.”
Watters said the “noxious material” mentioned by Fecteau was a smudge stick – a bundle of sage and other dried herbs used in some Native American rituals. Members of the pro-choice group try to make sure women get to their clinic appointments “with as little harassment as possible,” she said.
~ Scenario involving the arrest of 70-yr-old pro-life activist Joyce Fecteau on January 9 outside the Alabama Women’s Center for Reproductive Alternatives in Huntsville, AL.com, January 14
Here’s video of the incident…
[youtube]http://youtu.be/omyb9p9PjL8[/youtube]
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
I am unable to really determine just who did what here. Ms.Fecteau states that while walking near a pro-abortion person, there was some type of foul smell released and for the good of her health, she had to spray holy water. What the holy water will do quite bluntly escapes me. The other side is claiming that she sprayed people in the face with the holy water.
Ms.Fecteau might be pro-life but in this case she is totally WRONG!!! You do not have the right to spray people with anything-even holy water- unless they give permission. The pro-abortion people were right-it could have beeen a toxic substance. If the other people are smoking, or using some type of foul substance, then leave for the sake of your health. Is it fair that the pro-abortion side does not care about burning something that is offensive to anyone else? No-but life is not fair and if people are outside and it is not against the law, they can burn a smudge stick.
I wish I could have been there with her to sprinkle them with salt while she sprayed them the holy water. It is more effective that way.
I’m sure that crazy Todd guy will be here soon to encourage those who were sprayed to call the police and file assault charges.
I knew that crazy guy would come here and compare a 70 year old woman attempting to mist a HUGE smoking smudge stick (that was repeatedly putting smoke in her face) to that of someone being completely doused with a hose who was holding no burning object close to an elderly person.
If one was arrested for a few drops of mist, the other should be arrested for all that smoke. The lady with the smudge stick should be ashamed for putting all that smoke in an old lady’s face but I’m not surprised that she isn’t.
Men should be ashamed for not defending old women from bullies but I’m not surprised that not all of are either.
What the holy water will do quite bluntly escapes me.
What was the smudge stick supposed to do? I learned that water can put out burning objects in preschool.
Maybe the person with the burning material should have left if she felt so threatened by an old lady.
No, I love my fellow pro-lifers but this lady was WRONG. She should have MOVED if the smoke bothered her that much. Really…some pro-lifers need to use COMMON SENSE and THINK. Why give the other side ammunition against us? We know it was just water but the other side will now make us out to be terrorists because of this. And honestly, if the situation was reversed and a pro-abort sprayed me with water I would go after him/her for assault. We have to be above reproach. We can’t stoop to the level of the pro-aborts and while this older lady didn’t mean harm what she did was just dumb.
It would be interesting to find out if the elderly woman asked that smoke not be put in her face. She should have asked a few times (on video) and then called the police when it continued. No one should have to move from where they legally have rights to be just because someone is smoking them out.
Can you imagine if prolifers brought all kinds of smoking materials to hurt proaborts and then said, “Well, they should just move.”
Purposely putting that kind of smoke in someones face is harmful, especially if there are elderly and have breathing or lung issues. And it is WRONG.
I wonder how long I’d be allowed to hold a smouldering stick of something outside our local abortion mill. I wonder if I’d be allowed to fumigate people with it like this chick was.
Although, sometimes I’m seriously tempted to head out there and burn a little sage. I don’t usually go in for stuff like that, but if I had to use the words “evil” or “demonic” anywhere, it’d be there.
Maybe this will be the next joint to shut down. Smudge sticks and holy water are both used to drive out evil spirits and I’m pretty sure one of these two women were invoking the name of Jesus to help save lives.
The woman blowing smoke probably helped our side out without even knowing it so I guess I will be grateful for her.
Bring on the peace pipes, bongos and smudge sticks and we’ll bring on the incense, crucifixes and holy water and we’ll scare those demons away together!
Spraying people with holy water from a squirt bottle? I wish these “real” Catholics would stop embarrassing the rest of us with their puerile antics.
Be careful, joan, or someone might throw a bucket of water on your your stinky smudge stick. Then you’d have nothing to ride to the next sabbat.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aopdD9Cu-So
Ex-GOP wrote at 11:42 am, “I’m sure… Todd… will be here soon to encourage those who were sprayed to call the police and file assault charges.”
Todd doesn’t do that. He goes to groups who claim to be churches and tells them what the Bible says about murder. There was a guy who sprayed something on him something once, but I’m pretty sure it wasn’t holy water. I think Todd should encourage the pro-lifers to call the police and file assault charges–on the abortionists, of course. Abortion is murder, you know. That’s what the Bible says, and it’s the civil government’s job to protect citizens (pre-born as well as born) from evil-doers.
Hey Jon -
I just remember him making a big stink once about getting sprayed with water or something. I find it a little silly.
I’ve seen some people say that the Bible is neutral when it comes to abortion – I don’t believe that the Bible is – but what verses do you put together in your support? I ask because I’ve been reading lately on the Southern Baptists – I didn’t know that they supported abortion for a while (and in the recent past). Kind of a crazy world…
http://www.athoughtofherown.blogspot.com
Ex-GOP, I’ve explained many times on this site what I think is the Christian position on abortion as made manifestly clear in the Bible and corroborated by church history. God made man like Himself to be the righteous and holy steward of His creation. Man continues to rule the world after the Fall, and that role now includes decisions to kill animals (recall their skins which God gave Adam and Eve as clothing instead of the fig leaves). Man’s authority does not extend to decisions to kill himself or his brother; we see its limit in God’s punishment of the first murderer, Cain, and then again in His covenant with a new Adam, Noah, after the violence preceding the Flood (Gen. 9). The reason given was that God had made man like Himself; therefore, an attack on man is an attack on Him, and any murderer is to forfeit His own life (capital punishment and the sanctity of human life). Any animal that kills a human being is also to be killed. While the justice system in theocratic Israel involved an avenger of blood, who was a near relative of the one murdered, in the New Testament the civil government is to carry out the vengeance of God (Rom. 13). It has the power of the sword, which is only used to kill, and its job is to punish evil-doers, of which a murderer most certainly is one. (Interestingly, it must also protect its citizens against evil-doers outside its borders, foreign aggression.)
I do think Jon that you have to link back to verses like Jeremiah 1:5 that equates humanity with the pre-born. Unfortunately, at times, the Bible did treat the pre-born different from those after they were born – so I think that distinction has to be solved.
I don’t agree with your death penalty argument though – it is very OT. I could make the case that in a vacuum, if Jesus himself was handing down the sentences, the DP could maintain a level of justice and integrity to make it work. But left in the hands of humans, the DP is a mess. Furthermore, we have the ability to lock these folks away and not risk further life now (something we didn’t years ago). I do think that once somebody allows for the fact of killing anybody in the DP, then it is tougher to make the case for euthenasia, abortion, and other sanctity of life issues. If at any point you can make the call that a life is expendable, then you’ve crossed a line where you have to say which lives are and aren’t expendable.
Ex-GOP, where in the Bible does it treat born children different from unborn? And don’t use that tired verse in Exodus about two men struggling and hitting a pregnant woman. That verse is a favorite of pro-aborts who can’t read. It says if “no mischief follow” which means she loses the pregnancy but the baby lives. It isn’t talking about her losing the pregnancy and the baby dies. The Bible actually uses the same words in the original for both born and unborn children. God does not differentiate based on location. Children are children.
Sydney -
I’ve seen two verses (passages) people will use – Exodus 21: 22-25, and Numbers 3:15.
I’m not saying I support those views – I’m saying that in Jon’s argument, I do think you have to loop in verses such Jeremiah 1:15 or people will simply make the claim that those various rights only apply to people after birth.
That crazy guy seems a bit threatened and jealous of Todd’s calling to help women and save preborn children.
Surprise, Surprise.
Yeah, who wouldn’t be jealous of a nutcase like Todd, stirring up trouble wherever and whenever he can? He’s quite a catch for a countercultural political movement that already has an image problem.
Well-behaved prolifers seldom make history. Expect more trouble from those you deem nutcases, joan. Get ready to light your broo, er I mean smudge stick.
I’m sure this dangerous old prolife woman who was put in jail for getting two drops of water on a flying monkey gave up her inconvenience to Jesus.
Did you get out and do some exercising today, joan? I’ve heard you’ve been seen riding your bike recently: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4kiXh8YOzk
Keep it classy. Say, have you been arrested for the cause lately? Wouldn’t want to miss your opportunity to make history.
“…athoughtofherown…”
I’ve seen this blog mentioned somewhere else before. I said it then, and I’ll say it now:
Poor thing must be lonely in there.
I thought I smelled smoke.
Did it hurt?
/lol
Calling prolifers crazy and nutcases is so classy. You can dish it out, but can’t take it. Waaaaaaaaa.
Since you consider yourself to be one of the real Catholics, joan, I’m sure you are a member of a Catholic parish. What do the members of your parish think of your prodeath stance? Do you proclaim your support of the slaugher of the preborn before, during or after Mass? What volunteer work do you do in your parish? Do you educate young people on your prodeath views in a Catholic school or a Catholic youth program? How much of your salary do you put in the basket each weekend?
No, I haven’t been arrested. If a flying monkey or a wicked witch put a burning smudge stick in my face when I’m praying outside of a kill mill though, I might just have to pull out my holy water. So if you see me, make sure to back away from the misting bottle because I ain’t moving away from your flying vehicle stick.
Hey X. Nice to see you as always. I did smell smoke over there. Let’s see if joan answers my questions.
Yes Prax – after calling her a witch, I’m sure she’s feeling like best friends with you and will happily answer your questions!
“Yes, if truth is not undergirded by love, it makes the possessor of that truth obnoxious and the truth repulsive.” ? Ravi Zacharias
Crazy warlock is back. Can dish it out, but can`t take it. waaaaaa.
Ex-GOP wrote, “I do think Jon that you have to link back to verses like Jeremiah 1:5 that equates humanity with the pre-born.”
No, I don’t. Pre-born human beings are human beings. Genesis 9’s reference to “man’s blood” and its distinction of “man’s blood” from that of animals clearly teaches the sanctity of human life. Nothing else is needed.
Ex-GOP wrote, “your death penalty argument though – it is very OT.”
Yes, it is very OT. Is also very NT, and entirely Biblical. And you don’t seem to understand Romans 13, a New Testament passage, very well. The civil government is God’s minister–it is God’s representative, to carry out His vengeance–and it is therefore equipped with the sword. Now you tell me what the sword is used for.
The death penalty actually upholds the sanctity of human life. That’s the whole argument in Genesis 9 if you care to take a look. A main principle of justice is that the punishment must fit the crime. The murderer forfeits his own life. The death penalty is God’s deciding that the murderer must die.
Ex-GOP, there’s an excellent article here about Exodus 21:22-25:
http://www.str.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=5700
Nothing in the words or in the context of the verses suggests that it refers to an induced miscarriage. And the pro-lifers’ burden of proof is minimal in this case, because they are not trying to claim that a certain passage of text supports a controversial position on abortion (the abortion proponent is). Because there is reasonable doubt, it cannot be resolved in favour of the pro-abortion interpretation. As for Numbers 3:15, it says that a census only includes males at least a month after birth. Given that infant mortality was much higher in ancient times, it’s easy to see that this was done for practical purposes. It says nothing about whether abortion is justified from a Biblical standpoint.
I think the best Biblical argument against abortion can be summarized as follows:
P1: Human beings are made in the image of God (Genesis 1:27, Ephesians 4:24, Colossians 3:10, among others).
P2: The unborn are human beings.
P3: It’s wrong to kill or harm an entity that’s made in the image of God (Proverbs 6:16-19, James 3:9).
C: It’s wrong to kill the unborn.
This argument is logically valid, and you’ll notice that only the second premise is not supported with a scriptural reference. However, this would also be the case if you replaced “the unborn” with “Americans”. We have other reasons apart from scripture (ie basic knowledge of human biology) to conclude that the unborn (and Americans) are human beings. So the argument ultimately holds.
Once when I was at a concert when I was fifteen, some guy burnt me with a cigarette so I poured a beer on him, and we both got kicked out. That’s about as interesting or relevant as this story.
Jack, maybe your story would be more relevant if you had been arrested for misting the cigarette guy with water.
Navi
I’m simply seen that census verse elsewhere in support of the Bible not being pro-life.
I agree with your line of reasoning. I also have a tough time thinking that if somebody came to Jesus and explained that they wanted to have an abortion, that He would say that abortion was a good thing to do. With or without a Biblical verse, I just couldn’t come up with a scenario in which somebody could argue that having sex, deciding you don’t want the baby, thus killing it is something in line with the heart of God.
Jon
Read around on the subject – you’ll find a great many of Biblical scholars disagree on the death penalty. I certainly would never claim it is a slam dunk issue in either way.
We all know of Biblical characters whose sins should have resulted in the DP and didn’t. Furthermore, how many of the nations do you think have Governments upright enough to justify this full type of submission. And if submission is called for with any type of government, that throws a lot of other behaviors out the window that Christians typically are okay with (including civil disobediance).
I wonder how long I’d be allowed to hold a smouldering stick of something outside our local abortion mill. I wonder if I’d be allowed to fumigate people with it like this chick was.
Catholic prolife groups routinely process around clinics with incense burning. Does anyone stop them or squirt water on the altar boy with the thurible? No? Well, there’s your answer.
It would be interesting to find out if the elderly woman asked that smoke not be put in her face. She should have asked a few times (on video) and then called the police when it continued.
Or at the very least, she should have gotten video of them putting smoke in her face, as opposed to what this video shows, which is her walking several paces toward the person with the smudge stick.
No one should have to move from where they legally have rights to be just because someone is smoking them out.
If Ms. Fecteau’s health care provider has actually told her to avoid smoke, she could get a mask at any drug store. Problem solved.
Wasting precious beer at age 15, Jack? That burn must have caused a lapse in your thought process! :)
I got kicked out of a concert at 17 for having a half pint of brandy tucked in the waist of my high-waisted acid-washed jeans. Darn pants were too tight and security could make out the shape of the bottle when I walked in. They took the booze and added it to a barrel full of confiscated booze.
I can remember the friends, the jeans and the booze but I can’t remember who the dang band was!
Thanks, Lisa. If I choose to fumigate people outside the kill mills, I’ll tell them Lisa said to go to the drugstore to get a mask.
I wonder how many cats she has. 37 or more like 89, what’s the odds?
I think joan has well below 37 cats, Reality. Probably more like 15-20. Mostly black cats though I bet.
Nah, I would say that joan has one or two at the most and that at least one is a ginger. I have one cat and she’s a tortoise shell.
Now the wacko with the ‘holy water’ spray, she’d have at least 37.
How many do you have?
I only have one bottle of holy water but plan to get more.
Yes, I’ve heard it referred to as ‘holy water’. Don’t over-indulge too much :-)
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“Wasting precious beer at age 15, Jack? That burn must have caused a lapse in your thought process! :)
I got kicked out of a concert at 17 for having a half pint of brandy tucked in the waist of my high-waisted acid-washed jeans. Darn pants were too tight and security could make out the shape of the bottle when I walked in. They took the booze and added it to a barrel full of confiscated booze.”
Lol I did commit the dreadful sin of beer wasting. I’m actually surprised the guy didn’t punch me for that, I poured it all over his head and he was like twice my size. I certainly deserved a punch in the face for that.
For sneaking alcohol into concerts you need guy jeans with big pockets lol.
I agree with Sydney. And I also noticed that the bottle she had the “holy water” in actually looks like something you would put a cleaning product in. While I do believe in “holy water” and also anointing oil I think it would have been much more effective had she just put some on her finger and made the sign of the cross on the clinic and called it a day.
Ex-GOP wrote, “I also have a tough time thinking that if somebody came to Jesus and explained that [she] wanted to have an abortion, that He would say that abortion was a good thing to do.”
Seriously, Ex-GOP, is that the best you can do? Your pathetic understatement renders your faith suspect. “Let the little children come to Me,” the Lord Jesus said, “and do not forbid them, for of such is the kingdom of heaven” (Matt. 19:14).
Being the incarnate Word, Jesus has denounced abortion (which may have been known back then as sorcery) along with all other forms of murder. If a Pharisee had come to Him with your question, He would have pointed that blind leader back to Genesis 1 and Genesis 9 (cf. Matt. 19:4-6):
“Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning ‘made them in His likeness’ and said, ‘Surely for your lifeblood I will demand a reckoning; from the hand of every beast I will require it, and from the hand of man’? So then, to kill a human being, however small, is to commit murder. What God has made like Himself let not man cut apart.”
Ex-GOP wrote, “Jon, Read around on the subject – you’ll find a great many of Biblical scholars disagree on the death penalty.” And then he wrote a few more irrelevant sentences.
No, I don’t need to read a “great many” other Biblical scholars. I find that evangelical churches that desire to be true to the Scriptures and to submit themselves to the Word of God, which is the Bible, do not disagree. I am of the Reformed and Presbyterian theological persuasion, but here is a Southern Baptist, one of the first few I came across in my Bing search:
Dear Beth,
I am a member of a Southern Baptist Church, of the type which teaches that the Word of God is the authority on everything (not just religious, relational things) because God created everything.
I believe in the death penalty because Genesis 9:6 describes this as a way to teach society the sanctity of human life. Murderers are not to be tolerated. Romans 13:4 gives rulers a God-given mandate to execute the death penalty.
I am against putting to death tiny embryonic humans for stem cell research, older babies for abortion, incapacitated disabled people or the elderly for euthanasia, or any humans not convicted of or not threatening murder.
Arrested for spraying holy water! Tempest in teapot. LMAO! People are such wusses these days.
Thanks, Lisa. If I choose to fumigate people outside the kill mills, I’ll tell them Lisa said to go to the drugstore to get a mask.
“Fumigate?” Were there pests there other than the old bat?
If the video showed someone putting smoke in Ms. Fecteau’s face, that would be one thing, but it doesn’t. It appears to show the escort doing the same thing with her smudge stick that Catholic processions around abortion clinics do with their incense: waving it along the walkway. Unless the stick was violating some health code, then it really is Ms. Fecteau’s responsibility to use a mask to protect herself from the smoke. Ms. Fecteau is entitled to harass people from a public sidewalk, but she’s not entitled to special accommodations while she does it.
I don’t think that anyone should be waving magic smoke around in public, incidentally. But if it’s all right for Catholics to superstitiously dump particulate matter into the air, then Native Americans have that right too.
Thanks again, Lisa. Masks are great advice.
No one knows what might be in a smudge stick anymore than they know what is in spray bottles. Anything that will help keep away those evil spirits is all good in my book.
You should talk with Ex-GOP about your name-calling though. He’ll chew at you about your calling others names. He won’t take the advice himself but, no matter, he’ll give it to you. He’s a crazy loon just like you are.
But if it’s all right for Catholics to superstitiously dump particulate matter into the air, then Native Americans have that right too.
Great! I’ll bring one next time I head out that way. When the deathscorts and cops harass me, I’ll be sure to tell them LisaC said “…if it’s all right for Catholics to superstitiously dump particulate matter into the air, then Native Americans have that right too.”
Anything that will help keep away those evil spirits is all good in my book.
Please stop killing the witches’ familiars in your neighborhood. They’re just housecats.
When the deathscorts and cops harass me, I’ll be sure to tell them LisaC said…”
Okay, but they don’t know me.
Anything that will help keep away those evil spirits is all good in my book.
Please refrain from killing the witches’ familiars in your neighborhood. They’re just housecats.
When the deathscorts and cops harass me, I’ll be sure to tell them LisaC said…”
Okay, but they don’t know me.
The editing system won’t let me in to delete the duplicate comment. If the mods have a chance, the first comment from 8:06 can be deleted.
Jon – You don’t have to read around on the subject of the death penalty – I’m just saying if you did, you’d find that there is disagreement on it and people scholars and denominations fall on both sides of the issues.
For you, if it is an open and shut case, then good for you. You have the right to believe what you want.
The woman spraying the ‘water’ walked across the street to get the bottle, walked back across the street and deliberately confronted the escorts who were walking towards her. The anti choice people have the sidewalk in front of the clinic, to the side of the clinic in front of another business and the entire sidewalk across the street. If the woman didn’t like the smoke she could have stayed on the other side of the street where she went to get the bottle in the first place. She deserved to be arrested for the attack on the women. And if you look at the video you’ll see the woman carrying the smudge stick try to keep it away from the woman doing the spraying.
Anathalee, next time you protest at a kill mill, bring a mask. Also, wear your raincoat.
Gotta love how if this situation were reversed, all these folks would be screaming about how she should press charges.
Fecteau’s been arrested and convicted for crimes outside clinics more than once, in Birmingham and in Huntsville. She’s a lunatic, and honestly I think even some people on her own “side” are just waiting on her to die off so she’ll stop embarrassing them.
We don’t wait for others to “die off.”
We leave that to those that are proabortion.
You are so right Carla. Waiting for the death of another, wishing for the death of another and actually causing the death of another solely because they might embarrass you is proabort thinking.
Don’t feel too bad though, Melinda. LisaC and Anathalee don’t have the capacity to think at higher levels either.