Woman leaves baby to die, rejoins friends to watch WWE SummerSlam
“I cannot get inside this lady’s head,” Northampton County District Attorney John Morganelli said of [a] potential motive. “I have no clue.”
The premature baby was a few weeks premature, but still could have survived, authorities said….
After giving birth, [Amanda] Hein [age 26, pictured] allegedly smoked a cigarette and rejoined friends, gathered to watch the pay-per-view wrestling show WWE SummerSlam.
[She] had kept her pregnancy a secret.
The suspect’s stepmother… sobbed when she learned the horrific details. She didn’t know Amanda was expecting, but recalled seeing a letter from Planned Parenthood addressed to her.
~ David K. Li, reporting on the discovery of a near full-term infant wrapped in plastic and hidden inside a pub’s toilet tank, New York Post, August 27
Pennsylvania has a safe haven law, which would have allowed Hein to leave the baby at any local hospital, no questions asked.
Media originally reported that a “fetus” had been found in a toilet tank. The pub’s owner was visibly shaken by the discovery:
[HT: LauraLoo; photo via NY Daily News]
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
Yep this is why abortion sends a dangerous message. Infanticide is on the rise because abortion made life cheap. Don’t want it? Kill it. I could name at least 10 cases of infanticide where women are not in prison and free to live life. Isn’t it murder outside the womb? I see it doesn’t really matter anymore. Reminds me of the Prom Mom
God Bless this man and take his pain away.
I found it interesting that the NY Post writer called her “heartless” in the first line. (And called the child an “infant.”)
But what if she had aborted just a couple months earlier?
She would have been heralded as merely exercising her reproductive rights… or so say media darling Wendy Davis and friends. She would have been a hero, not “heartless.”
What’s the difference between dismembering a child in utero and leaving him to suffocate in a plastic bag in a toilet tank? The difference is that in the first instance, society doesn’t have to know and doesn’t have to come face to face with the reality that a child has just been killed.
This pub owner called the child a “fetus” as well as a “baby.” Clearly, seeing how upset he was, he made no distinction between the two terms. He knew that what he saw, what had been killed, was a human being. And the video was from before they knew anything about gestational age or whether the baby had been born alive.
It seems that these stories of callous infanticide are becoming more common.
The media said the child was a “fetus” because fetus = dead in their language. A fetus is dead infant, whether the death is in theory or in practice. A child is something that is alive and wanted. If an abnormality is discovered or the mother changes her mind, it becomes a fetus again. If a child is discovered, dead and abandoned, then it was a fetus.
We may never win the language back, but a human child is always a human child — before, during, and after the fetal stage of development. The descriptive words do not change the nature of the thing. Just like a banana is a banana, before and after it has ripened.
Good news: I held a newborn child yesterday! The mother was at-risk, as she was unmarried and the grandmother was pressuring for abortion. But her boyfriend has supported her, and they will be a lovely family. Our Women’s Care Center provided some material support and a great deal of confidence to counter grandma’s early attitude.
Grandma seems much more supportive now.
My heart aches for the step-mom quoted in infanticide story. Sounds like she loves her step-daughter would have delighted in helping with a grandchild. But the young woman went to Planned Parenthood instead.
Kel says:
This pub owner called the child a “fetus” as well as a “baby.” Clearly, seeing how upset he was, he made no distinction between the two terms. He knew that what he saw, what had been killed, was a human being. And the video was from before they knew anything about gestational age or whether the baby had been born alive.
Modern language has lost its precision. ”Fetus” = “dead” — whether in theory or in practice. Nobody kills a child. Only fetuses.
This is basic reality, but our culture isn’t so good at reality anymore (as Reality so often reminds us):
A human child is a human child — before, during and after the fetal stage of development.
Just as a banana is a banana, before and after it is ripe.
The confusion between “fetus” and “baby” is because he couldn’t ascertain age.
DeniseNoe: The answer is that we as voters have abdicated the responsibility of raising our children to the public school system, hope this helps…
You are no Sherlock Sweet Marmot and that is evident. You have absolutely no clue what had driven this young lady to committing this horrible act. My wildest guess would be that the step-mother/step-daughter relationship, contrary to the facade, WAS NOT ALL THAT…
Women cannot ever be called by this name. We owe them our humanity. Please get lost!!!
DeniseNoe says:
August 29, 2013 at 12:25 pm
Why in the world are young women still getting pregnant and concealing their pregnancies?
Women get pregnant because widespread contraception has reduced women to sexual objects. A woman has to give away sex if she wants to have a relationship. And contraception often fails.
Women hide their pregnancies because they don’t want to be pregnant, and every woman’s natural instinct knows that killing her child is wrong. Our culture no longer provides women with a moral compass to guide them through this problem. A quarter of these women overrule their natural humanity and seek abortions. These women suffer in many ways. (The hopelessness does not go away after the abortion is done, and we see this in the behaviors of abortion’s most ardent supporters.)
A few women carry the hidden child to term and then kill him or her. This requires extremes of irresponsibility and moral ambiguity.
The rest deliver a child in accord with human nature — and either raise the child or give away for adoption.
Prosecution yes, in full agreement here… but also rehabilitation. I have read testimonies here from women who had aborted (albeit not a full-term baby) and have gone through the process of transformation/were saved. It serves no purpose to call her as SM did or to call for her proverbial head. She is still young and capable of seeing the error of this horrible misdeed post some type of incarceration.
Thomas R. says:
August 29, 2013 at 12:47 pm
DeniseNoe: The answer is that we as voters have abdicated the responsibility of raising our children to the public school system, hope this helps…
This is a topic somewhat apart from the discussion of life, but YES! — We must support the Separation of Education and State.
Consider the First Amendment: Freedoms of Religion, Speech, Press, and Assembly. There is one reason for all of these: We want to form our own opinions about how we shall be governed. We want parents and preachers and neighbors and local press to help us form our culture — and then we will tell our legislators how we want to be represented.
When we let the State form the opinions of our children on how the State should rule — eventually we get ruled over by an elitist class who is telling us what to think. Our schools are telling our kids that abortion is okay, and gay marriage is okay, and teen-age sexual activity is so totally okay — and that their parents are fools for opposing such things.
So it is no surprise that a young woman gets pregnant, goes to Planned Parenthood, hides it from her parents, and ends up drowning the kid in the toilet tank at a bar. ’Cause parents and preachers are dumb.
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She is 26 years old, she apparently knew she was pregnant and she did nothing to prepare. This is not some frightened teenager. She was between a fire house and a Planned Parenthood. She had two legal ways to dispose of the child, alive or dead. What’s sad to me today is that some young women seem not to be the least bit discreet or ashamed to let everyone know they are having sex, yet are too ashamed to let people know they are mothers.
I am really struggling to not see her as monstrous. I just don’t get how you can have no feelings about birthing your baby into a toilet and letting him or her die. She must have some major mental issues.
Oh my word. This makes me physically ill. I just can’t wrap my mind around someone who can just… just give birth and then leave the baby in the toilet to die! I mean, how can you do that? Where’s your humanity? I just… Wow. I’m speechless. I know I shouldn’t be because this happens a lot, but my heart hurts.
I’m going to hold my own baby. :(
Nod to moderators for your magic with SM…
Having been educated by the State was not necessarily a bad thing Del but under Duncan it has gone down the toilet with “tweaks” to the NCLB law and other liberal/progressive changes in the public school domain at the state level. Also consider that as I stated, we have required the system to take over basic parenting tasks thus no wonder that the system is failing.
So do you find this as barbaric as abortion?
I do.
I see it as the same. Murder.
Life is disposable Jack.
Tiny, little defenseless human beings are disposable.
To some of us.
I have to disagree with part of Denise’s comment where she phrased “this type of woman” as if we could get out our crystal balls and determine who’s going to commit a crime, and do something about it. (just checked the thread and now can’t find her original comment)
I don’t think there is a type of woman who does this to her child: I think legal abortion and the objectification of people’s bodies has led us to this point. This woman may have been actually heartless, but we don’t know. She may have had a traumatic abortion in the past and was therefore unable to keep an appointment with Planned Parenthood. We don’t know. What we do know, as Carla points out, that life is cheap and disposable in a society where feticide is legal and euthanasia is on the rise. I don’t know if society is actually creating a type of criminal. Rather, I think we are a petri dish that’s encouraging a type of criminal behavior.
So sad. :(
This horrifies me more than women seeking abortions because with pregnant women there is often denial. They don’t see the baby so it is easy for them to dehumanize their child. That is why the later abortions are more horrific to me not because the unborn are “more human” later in pregnancy but because it speaks to an even greater lack of human warmth and empathy in the mother. If she can feel her baby kicking and still have him/her killed…God help us all then!
And if a mother can go through birth and SEE her baby and hold him/her with her own hands and then stuff the baby into a bag and dispose of it…well then we are all lost. Society is lost. If a mother has no empathy for her own baby that she just birthed…what empathy could such a woman ever have for you or I if we crossed her path?
“I am really struggling to not see her as monstrous. I just don’t get how you can have no feelings about birthing your baby into a toilet and letting him or her die. She must have some major mental issues.”
Your reasoning seems to get rather circular when evaluating terrible actions as the result of mental illness. My initial reaction is to believe exactly as you do. But I think almost every horrible deed makes me think that – rape, abuse, murder. If mental illness can always be a legitimate excuse for heinous crimes, I’m afraid that really makes people understandably fear the mentally ill.
When we let the State form the opinions of our children on how the State should rule — eventually we get ruled over by an elitist class who is telling us what to think. Our schools are telling our kids that abortion is okay, and gay marriage is okay, and teen-age sexual activity is so totally okay — and that their parents are fools for opposing such things.
This exactly. I went back to school this week for some staff meetings. I was hit up by some major pressure to join the union. I’m not signing up and am preparing for another year of sarcastic remarks and dirty looks — from the adults not the students. Some of the biggest NEA supporters/thugs also claim to be so big on tolerance and critical thinking. Pfft.
Keep me in your thoughts and/or prayers.
Her little baby shares a birthday with my 5-year-old. It’s tragic that he or she wasn’t welcomed with joy. I know many people who would have loved to give this little baby a place in their lives.
What makes this different from any other little baby being treated like refuse in abortion clinics across the country is simply that this baby receives some sympathy from our media. :'( What a pitiful commentary on our nation.
I don’t mean to be picky but that woman didn’t have to embrace motherhood-there are plenty of people who would have been very glad to adopt it if that’s what she had chosen.
DeniseNoe, you watch too many horror movies. Take rest from it for a long minute.
I very much support a single woman’s right to raise her child if she chooses to and tries her best to be a good mother, and believe that no woman should be pressured to make one choice or the other- it should be HER choice to make. I just get annoyed when the adoption option is ignored. Also, if I became pregnant, I KNOW that due to various personal issues I would not make a good mother myself, and that my child would be far more “wounded” by me trying to raise it than it being raised by people that I had chosen to do so. (and I’m 41 years old)
P.S. Wouldn’t “brood mares” be a better description of surrogate mothers, rather than mothers placing for adoption, because surrogacy, like horse-breeding, is planned?
“P.S. Wouldn’t “brood mares” be a better description of surrogate mothers, rather than mothers placing for adoption, because surrogacy, like horse-breeding, is planned?”
Exactly. Treating children like widgets in a factory.
I also repeat that we can’t know a person’s actions ahead of time. Even I have surprised myself in a crisis, doing something other than what I expected of myself. A woman who says before pregnancy that she would do this or that might do just the opposite.
DeniseNoe writes:
Is it POSSIBLE that this woman was never in any kind of “trouble”? Could she be a psychopath who deliberately got pregnant so she could enjoy a murder?
NO Denise. You watch too many horror movies.
That might very well be true for many women, but me, due to certain emotional issues, I just can’t. I suppose you’d have to know me to really understand. I handle the responsibility of raising two former shelter cats just fine, though. (:
My point is that, while adoption must always be available, it will never be popular because biology creates a strong two-way mother-child bond. It is rare and will continue to be rare.
Yes, you may know how very likely something is, but would you want the government to make decisions on your behalf based on likelihood while you are still innocent of any wrong doing?
The woman in this story, who placed a baby in a plastic bag and put that in a toilet tank, she may have “known” that she couldn’t raise a child, but for some reason she did nothing to prepare for the child’s birth and made a criminal decision which she carried out. Surely, you don’t mean to say that you are 100% certain you would break the law? And surely, you and Denise can see the value of getting yourself sterilized rather than creating and killing children that you are unwilling to allow to live?
My editing time ran out, but I meant to add:
Abortion advocates want us to stop teaching abstinence because oh, it’s so patriarchal and repressive, yet abortion advocates spend more time berating pro-lifers THAN THEY spend on research and development of birth control that is 100% effective.
And that doesn’t even address the cognitive dissonance we experience as a society when we divorce sexual activity from procreation. We are mammals, placental mammals. We have NOT evolved into some kind of creatures that can escape from how we reproduce as a species. We are behaving as if we did, but we are fooling only ourselves and killing millions of innocent human children as a result.
Thomas, just curious, do you not believe that some people have ASPD or otherwise lack a conscience and empathy? It certainly happens. I think it’s probably more common in men than in women but women are capable of being like that too. I believe one of my sisters is what people commonly call a “psychopath” or “sociopath”, she’s never had any type of empathy or love for other people, but she’s outwardly charming and very, very manipulative. She’s a lot like our dad except I don’t believe she’s a sadist like he is.
Do you think it’s completely impossible that someone who would do this to a child might be one of those people?
Though I will say it’s highly, highly unlikely that she got pregnant simply to abort, even if she is one of those people who lack empathy or kindness.
Well, I’d prefer is for the adoption option to be respected more than it seems to be, no matter how often it is done. And also for the media to be less two-faced about it- they tend to show sentimental adoption reunion stories while at the same time freely criticizing the girls on “Teen Mom.”
P.S. As for physical bonding- I do know that there are ways adoptive mothers can make their bodies able to nurse if they choose to.
MemyselfandI, I don’t think adoption should be disrespected as an option. If a mother or father really knows that they cannot care for a child, and that’s a choice they freely make, I think it’s a fine thing to give their child to someone who will parent them correctly. There isn’t anything wrong with that.
The problem is that a lot of people like to gloss over the possible negative consequences of adoption (I realize pro-lifers do so because it’s obviously preferable for a child to be adopted rather than aborted, but I don’t think that just because adoption is a better choice means that it’s a perfect choice). I don’t think anyone should be shamed for choosing adoption (they should be supported and helped), but people who are considering it should be given all the information so they can make an informed choice. All choices have consequences, both parenting and adopting have positives and negatives, and someone faced with the decision should not be coerced or shamed into making a choice that they might have trouble living with.
Also, adoption badly needs some reform in this country. Open adoptions aren’t even legally enforceable in most states (the adoptive parents, after they have full parental rights, can completely cut off contact with the biological parents no matter what prior arrangements were promised). There’s also a problem with coercion and such, it’s much better now in the US than it was in prior years, but it still exists. Also, women considering adoption aren’t often told the possible emotional consequences or their legal rights. You can’t have an informed choice if you don’t have all the information.
You’re right! A woman trying to decide between adoption and motherhood should definetly research and be counseled about the pros and cons of each decision, I think.
Jack you bring up some good points. So much pain in this story about this baby being left to die. The owner of this pub was visibly shaken. Not only did she not care about her innocent newborn but she didn’t care about other innocent people as well. They have the Safe Haven Law in this state, she could have left this baby at any police station, fire station, or hospital no questions asked.
Jack, I hope you and your children are doing alright. I do pray for you and wish you well. When you share about your parents and siblings it reminds me of a friend who was sexually molested as a child for many years by her father and she has spent years in therapy and on meds (her mother ignored everything while it was going on). Her older brother spent years beating himself up for not protecting his sister from their dad but he was only a boy a few years older than his sister. He could not seem to accept that he was not responsible for what happened to her and that he could not protect his sister from their parents. It is a parents job to protect their children not the other way around. I pray for all of the hurting, abused and molested children and the adults who came out of these homes like you Jack.
Good night and take care.
Yeah Pro-lifer L, I don’t mean to say “yes she’s definitely a sociopath” or anything like that, that would be awful of me. I don’t know her or anything that went on in her life, and I’d rather err on the side of being more charitable than that. I just thought it was weird Tholmas was so empathetic about her not having a serious problem like ASPD or something. It’s certainly a possibility, she did commit a terrible crime and just went about her day like nothing happened.
I’m really sorry about your friend, and I hope she’s doing well. And I hope she doesn’t blame her brother and that he can forgive himself. I resent my siblings a lot, I always thought since they were much older than me and didn’t even live w/our parents for much of my childhood, that they should have done something. I realize that’s really unfair of me, other than the sister I mentioned and my brother, they aren’t really bad people. I don’t really talk to any of them besides the eldest, because of the resentment and other issues. I hope your friend was able to do a better job at repairing her life and family relationships.
It is a parents job to protect their children not the other way around.
My oldest was very often left in charge of his siblings when they were at their dad’s while he was out carousing and drinking. When dad did return he was drunk or hungover. When the kids returned to my home, the oldest would behave as a miniature father (albeit dysfunctional) to the point of even telling me how to parent. It took years to deprogram him and he still has the tendency to take on more of a parental role with his dad, friends, and girlfriend. It breaks my heart but I focus on the positives that it has taught him.
If anyone is ever interested in learning more about parents putting kids in the adult role, I have learned of a term for it: parentification Some sad stories out there but also educational for anyone who has been touched by it.
That’s really sad Prax, I really wish your ex had taken responsibility for his children and not put that responsibility on your kid like that. It’s not fair to him.
Jack, my friend did not blame her brother but he blamed himself. She seems to understand that her big brother could not have rescued her that he was in the middle of the dysfunction himself, although he was not sexually abused their entire family situation was abusive. Many children (not all) take the blame upon themselves when there is a divorce, abuse or dysfunction in their family and that is why it is so important that children hear that it is NOT their fault. Many children internalize the situation and may need help or counseling to get through it.
My mother-in-law worked hard at telling her children that the divorce was not her children’s fault, my husband seemed to get it and worked to be a great husband and father, however his siblings did not fare so well they had lots of unresolved issues and were not good parents.
I am sorry to hear that about your ex Prax and the children.
Prolifer L I’m really happy to hear that your husband had a supportive mother, and I’m glad he turned out well and was able to overcome his family issues. I’m sorry his siblings didn’t turn out so well, I hate how the cycle of abuse and neglect continues like that.
I’m also glad your friend doesn’t blame her brother. A lot of my issues with my siblings stem from them blaming me for the abuse (except my brother, I resent him for abusing me as well), which I understand but always hurt my feelings and I grew up resenting them for thinking that. I have tried to work on getting rid of the resentment towards them, it wasn’t really their fault for thinking that. I was a pretty unpleasant kid and I was the only one who was abused so badly, so I think it was pretty easy for the girls to assume that meant I caused the abuse. I’m trying to accept that I don’t have anything to be mad at them for and I need to forgive them. I’m glad your friend was able to be compassionate and smart enough to understand it wasn’t her brother’s fault. I really hope that her brother can learn to forgive himself and realize it wasn’t his fault.
This is worse than abortion. Not in terms of what what done but in terms of the lack of humanity of the person doing it. Both are murders, but there is something seriously seriously seriously wrong with this woman. She saw her baby, wrapped it in plastic and shoved it in a toilet tank before going back to a party. SICK.
Jack,
I agree with you about making sure people are informed about adoption. But the “information” Denise is obsessed with is nothing that ANYONE needs to concern themselves with. That’s why I object to her nonsense. I’m all for what you’re saying.
I haven’t really gone into this story, though it happened not that far from me. It made the Philly stations and must have really been covered by the Allentown station, but I couldn’t bring myself to dig into it.
If it’s true that she stuffed the baby in a plastic bag and hid it in the tank, that might say that she would have retrieved it later to bury it. That’s a pretty good temporary hiding place.
But to hang around shows nerves of steel or absolute sociapathy.
Suffer Little Children
Whether one prefers the King James Version of Matthew 19:14, “But Jesus said, ‘Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven’ “ or the New American Standard Version’s, ”But Jesus said, ‘Let the children alone, and do not hinder them from coming to Me; for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these’ “, the import is the same: Kids are innocents deserving of salvation.
Except, that is, in the disturbed psyches of liberal-leftists, some of whom, like extremists Vera Scroggins and Barack Hussein Obama, believe children should be sexual playthings for their parents (Scroggins) and should be sexually educated as soon as they enter school (Obama).
Scroggins, an avid Obama supporter and environmentalist noted for her visceral opposition to hydraulic fracking, recently posted her odd thoughts on parental pedophilia on a Yahoo website, Peacelist: “I have had intuitive thoughts that such would be a healthy way for parents to interact with their children and introduce their children to sensual/sexual pleasure and bonding and loving practices. Who better to do it, than the parents first?”
Certainly, “intuitive thoughts” are the best of all thoughts, but then Scroggins added that she “thought it was strange that something natural, beautiful, and human should be kept hidden, especially from children. Children can lead the way in showing us sexuality and sensuality in their own, unique, innocent, way if allowed from birth to own their bodies in every pleasurable and expressive way.”
Her intuitive thoughts never straying far from innocent children, the proud nudist also observed that, “I do feel comfortable and not a sex object at nudist gatherings and lovely to be surrounded by all sizes and shapes–feel innocent and like a child, playful.”
(Not incidentally, Scroggins’ posting venue, Peacelist, boasts it is “dedicated to the advancement of the human species by restoring its natural peacefulness, through the means of affectionate parenting and sexual freedom,” i.e., promoting parental pedophilia.)
America’s president doesn’t necessarily promote the psychiatric disorder of sexual interest in children by their parents or anyone else; for some inexplicable reason, he merely endorses sexualizing kids as soon as society and schools get the opportunity. . . (Read more at http://www.genelalor.com/blog1/?p=32977.)
“Scroggins, an avid Obama supporter and environmentalist noted for her visceral opposition to hydraulic fracking, recently posted her odd thoughts on parental pedophilia on a Yahoo website, Peacelist: “I have had intuitive thoughts that such would be a healthy way for parents to interact with their children and introduce their children to sensual/sexual pleasure and bonding and loving practices. Who better to do it, than the parents first?””
I’m seriously gagging, I hate people like this. Sadly, I’ve heard people advocate that parents “introduce their child to sexuality” before. As a survivor it seriously offends me.
CT I agree that what this woman did was worse than abortion purely for the level of cruelty she had to possess. A woman can be coerced into an abortion, can be tricked into thinking her baby isn’t developed, etc etc, but to actually bag up your baby and leave him or her to die, while going immediately to hang out with friends is seriously cold and awful.
I also agree that Denise’s comments are sometimes less than helpful.
berlet98, do you know if this Scroggins character has any children of her own, a son or daughter? I’m seriously concerned that if she has this view on parental incest being a positive thing she would abuse her kids. I hope that if she does that she’s been investigated.
I want an answer to your question too Jack, wondering if this Scroggins character has any children or is around anyone else’s children. I was trying to figure out who was the older woman with the 2 children in the picture in this article, was she Scroggins? I have heard this crap from some sicko pedophiles before in some other articles I have read spreading garbage like “children are sexual beings and they have a “right” to explore their sexuality, at any age. Children need to be freed from puritanical, repressive, religious ideas so they can explore their sexuality. There is nothing wrong with adults being ”in-love’ children”. I think something similar to this crap was in a so called “Children’s Bill of Rights” being promoted by SEICUS a few years back ( I think there was some UN connection as well) but I could be wrong). I don’t know if they still are peddling this garbage any more. I haven’t heard about it being promoted recently but that doesn’t mean it is not still being promoted. They may have went underground kind of like the “Man-Boy Love Association”.
Doesn’t the abortion industry tell women to do something like this in late-term abortions? Late-term abortions take a couple of days and the abortion doctors and nurses say go on the toilet, like this women did, to get “rid-off” remains. Disgusting.
I thought of this too, johnO. She would probably not be in trouble had she just called Planned Parenthood to come and pick up her baby’s body.
johnO says:
September 2, 2013 at 12:41 pm
Doesn’t the abortion industry tell women to do something like this in late-term abortions? Late-term abortions take a couple of days and the abortion doctors and nurses say go on the toilet, like this women did, to get “rid-off” remains. Disgusting.
– See more at: https://www.jillstanek.com/2013/08/woman-leaves-baby-to-die-rejoins-friends-to-watch-wwe-summerslam/#sthash.fXDxkF2n.dpuf
(Denise) Can you imagine what it is like to sit on a toilet and see a fetus about 5 months along glopped into the toilet water?