Janine Turner: Democrats treat women as sex objects
by Kelli
The Democrats’ promise of independence for women is an empty promise.
As we approach two pivotal elections in 2014 and 2016 it’s rather vital for the survival of our democratic republic that women pay heed to the fact that not all forms of independence stem from the womb….
They hold the baby rattle over women’s heads to distract them from the true intention of the party. Dependence. This is a deception dripping in irony because women have fought for centuries for independence of mind and spirit.
The Democrats are ignoring women as a complete soul — one of intellect, courage, talent, and leadership — and focusing on the age-old tradition of treating women as sexual objects.
Haven’t we been trying to prove for centuries that we are more than our bodies? Yet this is the sole focus of the Democrats’ campaign for women — because it’s the only one they have — their reproductive organs….
Yet independence is varied and complex to the complete woman. It reaches beyond — way beyond — sex.
What good is sexual freedom if all other freedoms are sacrificed in the process?
Actress and talk radio host Janine Turner, PJMedia.com, November 7
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
Shes very pretty and very correct:)
The dems support abortion which allows them to have sex without consequences. Think about it logically….a man has sex with a woman. She becomes pregnant. He wants her to have an abortion. She does it. Bam! No child support. You dont need to marry her or be bothered with her. Move on to the next.
Oooh. I like her.
I like what she says.
LOVE. times INFINITY.
Thats why pro choice women always welcome pro choice men but when a poor pro life man comes into the debate its “Back off because you dont have a uterus!” Or “my body my choice!” …. never mind the fact that the man is half of a baby. sheesh.
I agree Heather. Its unfortunate that the man has no input. I am a proponent of educating men to use the justice system to litigate PP and those women who abort w/o the man’s consent for loss of investment in the man’s posterity. If there were a lobby to push this and jurisprudence saw these cases on the docket, taken all the way to the SCOTUS, the tides would sharply turn and the public would jump on board.
Hi Thomas. Indeed I know men who didnt want their wives or girlfriends to abort but they couldnt stop it. One guy told me that he and his wife were arguing one day and she said “Oh BTW I was pregnant and I went and had the little b@@tard sucked out of me.” He told me he hauled off and backhanded her….he regretted that. After that confession they divorced.
Good story, heather.
I don’t know all the details behind it, but Janine Turner herself had a daughter in the late 90’s and is raising her completely alone I think, so she, like Stacey Dash, (similar situation) shows publicly that not every conservative is as alike as many liberals seem to think.
“One guy told me that he and his wife were arguing one day and she said “Oh BTW I was pregnant and I went and had the little b@@tard sucked out of me.” He told me he hauled off and backhanded her….he regretted that. After that confession they divorced.”
Um, that’s not cool at all. You can’t go around hitting women. Too bad she didn’t call the cops on him.
Have always been a big fan since at least Northern Exposure. In recent years, even more so.
Jack, you shouldn’t go around hitting *people* for no just cause. But if I’m in the middle of an arguement and the other person shouts out-in a clear attempt to anger me-that they murdered one of my children and I have any expectation that they are telling me the truth, any decent person’s temper would snap. I’d be far more concerned about the morals of a person who didn’t respond to the aggressive and intentionally inflamatory admission that another had murdered their offspring in utter rage than one who did! Like the man who beats his wife’s rapists to a pulp or the mother who beats her child’s molester into the hospital, this is the *normal* and *natural* reaction when you find out someone has ergegiously, aggressively, and violently harmed a member of your family.
Am I somehow excusing violence against every/any post-abortive woman? Not at all. But if you are stupid enough to blurt out such an admission in the middle of a high-emotions fight, you better be ready for the obvious human response.
That’s some amazing excusing of domestic violence Jespren.
“But if you are stupid enough to blurt out such an admission in the middle of a high-emotions fight, you better be ready for the obvious human response.”
Lol.
People aren’t animals. People can be expected not to start beating on people who say things to rile them up. I don’t blame him for being upset (though depending on their relationship, if my ex had said something like that I probably would assume she was just trying to hurt me), but it’s not a “natural” reaction to start hitting your wife because she says something to make you angry, when you have no proof of anything (and even then the best thing is to LEAVE, not start using violence).
Oh, Jespren I do consider telling someone you aborted their baby in a cruel way emotional abuse (if you know it’s going to upset him that much don’t tell him after the fact, it’s just mean). I don’t think her actions were correct at all. But hitting people is not the way to deal with someone being emotionally abusive.
Let’s see, so a husband comes home and get’s into a fight with his wife who, in the midst of the fight, throws open the door to the closet to reveal their slaughtered toddler and shouts that she killed the little *bleep*. And the husband attacks the wife…and the *husband* is the abusive one in this situation? Right. Makes perfect sense.
Sorry Jack,
A slap in the face as a reaction is not abuse. Besides, a verbal “slap” is just as hurting, never mind the “sticks and stones” saying.
A human response to cruelty is understandable.
“Let’s see, so a husband comes home and get’s into a fight with his wife who, in the midst of the fight, throws open the door to the closet to reveal their slaughtered toddler and shouts that she killed the little *bleep*. And the husband attacks the wife…and the *husband* is the abusive one in this situation? Right. Makes perfect sense.”
This is a completely different situation from someone claiming something after the fact that you have no proof of, especially in an argument where it’s quite likely they are just trying to hurt you. I was in an abusive relationship, my ex would say absolutely awful things to me, threats and insults, you name it. She’d threaten to use her dad’s money to take my kids to another country and make it so I could never see them again, she told me once that she would kill me in my sleep with my own gun, she said if I left her she would claim I raped her and put me in prison, and once she took off with the kids for two days just to screw with me. I was really beaten down. None of that made it okay to lose it and hit her, I would hope no one would defend me if I had hit her. Emotional abuse doesn’t justify hitting someone smaller than you (and like I’ve said before, even hitting someone doesn’t really justify hitting them back if there’s a big physical strength difference, I never hit my wife back or anything like that).
Now my immediate reaction on seeing Heather’s story is that the wife maybe didn’t even have an abortion, they were in a fight and she decided to try and hurt him for whatever reasons. Or maybe she did have an abortion. Maybe she was regularly emotionally abusive. Regardless, hitting her was not the proper response to what happened.
“A slap in the face as a reaction is not abuse. Besides, a verbal “slap” is just as hurting, never mind the “sticks and stones” saying.”
A backhand and a slap are completely different things, one hurts a lot more and causes a lot more damage usually. And of COURSE verbal abuse is just as bad as physical, I would be the last person to deny that (I actually think a lot of verbal and emotional abuse is WORSE than some physical abuse).
It still doesn’t mean the response to being emotionally or verbally attacked is to start hitting.
Jack, it’s *exactly* the same thing, because see, apparently you glossed right over this sentence in my original comment “exceptation they are telling the truth”. If you are in a conversation where you have no expectation of the truth then it’s just verbal abuse, and yes, you don’t hit someone for verbal abuse. But if a human is being faced with the truth of a murder-of-kin, I stand by, man, woman, stranger, loved one, the *normal* and understandable response to that is to last out physically.
Um megan is that really a good story? Too bad you cant handle the truth about how ugly abortion is. @ jack…i didnt condone him slapping her.
I have seen so many men penalized by the justice system for reacting to having a child aborted. A man is treated as a sperm donor by the cruel policy of legal abortion and if he dares to speak up or take action, the system will squash him like a bug while the woman who aborts gets off scot-free. Roe vs. Wade is all evil to men.
I am so glad some women (hats off Heather) value the man’s contribution to conception. And yet so many men demonize the men who take action to protect their investment..
We have been conditioned to believe that all physicality between a man and a woman is automatically ‘abuse’ and we’ve had it drilled into us by society that ‘abuse’ is inexcusable. That is utterly nonsensical and illogical. In the above senario the inexcusable action is *murder*, the physical response is a reasonable response a person geared more towards ‘fight’ than ‘flight’ will have when confronted with that action. Just like if a husband walks in and sees his wife chasing their child with a knife while the child is screaming and the mother is cursing (a regrettable but in no way singular occurance which has happened an surely will happen again) grabbing a bat and knocking the wife out cold is not ‘spousal abuse’, it’s a justified response to what you see before you. If a man is caught abusing his daughter no one ever vilifies a wife who beats the tar out of him for assaulting his daughter. Society cheers her! Sure, technically she broke the law, she might even face jail time, but society not only excuses it, but lauds it. There isn’t a shred of difference between that and a husband who does the same when confronted with with reality of a murder of his child. Might he be legally in the wrong? Sure. Might he face jail time, a messy divorce, or criminal/civil charges. Sure. Does that make the response ethically wrong? No, unless you also think the parent who beat their daughter’s rapist is ethically wrong too.
I didn’t think you were condoning it Heather, no worries.
Thomas I don’t demonize men that protect their CHILDREN (investment? What kind of language is that? Children are people, not stock options). I don’t like it when men hit women. I don’t judge guys for being devastated when the mother of their baby aborts. I would probably never get over it if someone aborted my child, and I probably wouldn’t say very nice things to her. But I wouldn’t hit her. We’ve had like forty years of legal abortions, most women of child-bearing age have been raised in a world where it’s been treated like a reproductive choice instead of what it is. You can’t go around hitting people for falling into this stuff, it’s not productive. And hitting people who are smaller than you is wrong. Well hitting anyone is wrong but hitting someone significantly smaller or weaker is extra wrong in my opinion.
“We have been conditioned to believe that all physicality between a man and a woman is automatically ‘abuse’ and we’ve had it drilled into us by society that ‘abuse’ is inexcusable.”
That’s not what I’m saying and not what I believe. If you have to hit a woman in self-defense it’s regrettable but no one has to let themselves be seriously injured, or let their children be injured. Self-defense and defense of others is a completely different concept than hurting someone after the fact because they did something that hurt you when you and yours are not in any physical danger.
If I caught someone, man or woman, raping my child I can’t promise I wouldn’t beat the absolute $h!T out of them, I worry that I’d kill them. But if I found out my child had been raped after the fact, I don’t think I would be justified to track the rapist (regardless of gender) down and beat him or her to a pulp. Vigilantism is dangerous, innocent people get caught up in it all the time. We have a legal system for a reason. If abortion is criminalized I would support a father pressing charges against his wife for aborting their baby, I wouldn’t support him beating her if he finds out after the fact.
There’s a huge difference between self-defense and defense of others and vigilantism and revenge. There is, no matter how much you all try to conflate it.
Ok, we all agree hitting is bad, mkay, so can I change subjects back toward the comment of the day?
Regarding the Obama/Dems objectification of women, has anyone seen that heinous ad about Obamacare that has a young woman holding a pack of birth control pills, giving a thumbs up, while a smirking man appears to have his arm around her waist? The stupid tag line is that now that she has her bc pills, her only question or worry is how to get him between the sheets. It is so offensive! Do they really think that a female’s only health concern is sexual? Like we don’t have any other organs in our body? Such as a brain???
“No matter how much you all try to conflate it”. What is ethical behavior and what is legal behavior does not always match up. ‘Vigilanty’ justice (which is actually a planned and calculated behavior *not* an in-the-moment react, which is what we are all talking about) may be illegal, it may also, depending upon the situation, be wholly ethical. That’s rather regardless of the ‘extreme emotional distress’ response we are refering to, which is a valid legal defense for people who break the law because they had an understandable reaction to extreme news, such as confronting a murderer.
@Jack – I know it’s inconvenient for you, but the fact is women perpetrate far more domestic violence than men.
Men don’t report it very often because they would have admit that a woman hit them.
Besides, the politically correct stance is always “men bad, women good.”
Great comments by Janine Turner!
(and I agree with all of Jack’s too! — It was a couple backhands that broke my nose.)
“I know it’s inconvenient for you, but the fact is women perpetrate far more domestic violence than men.”
No, it’s about equal. Women don’t do it more. And I don’t find it “inconvenient”, I think it’s a crying shame there’s not real help for abused men, seeing as I was actually in an abusive relationship and there was no help for me it is an issue I am quite concerned about. But none of that means that it’s okay to hit women.
“Men don’t report it very often because they would have admit that a woman hit them. Besides, the politically correct stance is always “men bad, women good.””
No, men don’t report it much. And cops don’t do anything anyway. When my neighbors called the cops on us they just made sure that I wasn’t hitting her and some of them even made fun of me. One of them threatened to arrest me if I ever hit her back. There was one female cop who was sympathetic but I wouldn’t admit to her what was going on because I was embarrassed and didn’t want my wife to get in trouble.
But NONE of that means that men can start beating on women because there are inequities towards abused men. Seriously what is wrong with people?
Besides, the politically correct stance is always “men bad, women good.”
I call bs.
Yes Prax, a backhand is nothing like a slap. My dad cracked one of my teeth by backhanding me once. Hitting someone with your knuckles like that is much different from an open-handed slap (which is somewhat painful, and still wrong and abusive, but doesn’t usually cause too much damage).
“I call bs.”
Well, in the context of domestic violence, I think that there’s a point that cops are likely to blame the male involved. Like I said, the cops generally just made sure she was safe, some made fun of me, and one threatened me. Maybe only female cops should be allowed to respond to domestic violence calls because in my experience they are much more fair and sympathetic.
But there are definitely things that are unfair and inequitable to women, culture is definitely not “man bad woman good” all the time or even often. Depends on context which gender is getting blamed more.
Galling and nefarious excuses for violence against women doesn’t cut it. It constitutes misogynistic or at least patriarchal behavior. You are right Jack, what is with some of these people.
What good is sexual freedom if all other freedoms are sacrificed in the process? – I think she’s confused.
I think that there’s a point that cops are likely to blame the male involved.
Police are suppose to take whoever initiates the physical abuse. And a backhand is definitely physical abuse. I had a different experience with police and found that they poo-pood the physical violence by my ex. Of course, every area is probably somewhat different and my abuse was some years ago now. Police should be gender-neutral but they bring their individual experiences to the table as well.
culture is definitely not “man bad woman good” all the time or even often.
Agree. The title of this posts alone points out how one of our country’s political parties, on the whole, objectifies women.
I just saw the offensive Obamacare ad on the main page of LiveAction. Check it out. If I post the link, my comment will get hung up, but it’s easy to click from Jill’s “Top Sites” and click on LiveAction.
“Police are suppose to take whoever initiates the physical abuse. And a backhand is definitely physical abuse. I had a different experience with police and found that they poo-pood the physical violence by my ex. Of course, every area is probably somewhat different and my abuse was some years ago now. Police should be gender-neutral but they bring their individual experiences to the table as well.”
Yeah it might be area as well as other factors. I’m not sure how long ago it was for you but I think more recently it’s definitely kinda biased against the guy. It does seem to me that police are most likely to blame the male involved (especially male police officers), but I realize people have had different experiences. But I wouldn’t suggest any guy in an abusive relationship try to look to the police for help in my area, it’s pretty much useless. He should document any abuse with pictures, not try to defend himself at all, and get statements from anyone that’s witnessed it, then try to get a restraining order directly from the courthouse if he wants a prayer of not getting blamed for it or ignored. My area is definitely not a place you can depend on the cops if your a dude who’s in an abusive relationship. And people don’t care one way or the other in general.
But all of that’s just kind of an aside, I’m still reeling that there are apparently people who think it’s okay to backhand someone for making you mad. Not self-defense, not defending your children, or anything. Just go ahead and hit women if they try to push your buttons. It’s very creepy and disgusting.
Oh and Joe even though women do commit domestic abuse as much as guys, it’s less damaging. Women are less likely to put their partners in the hospital or kill them. Out of murders between intimate partners 2/3rds are women and 1/3rd are men. So domestic abuse against women is a very serious issue (not saying that domestic abuse against men isn’t bad, but at least it’s less likely to end up with him dead). You shouldn’t act like hitting women isn’t a big deal.
“If they try to push your buttons” wow, gee is my face red! Here I thought we were discussing the response to the MURDER OF AN IMMEDIATE FAMILY MEMBER. And I capitalized that because if we were face to face this is where I’d raise my voice to the utter caltrap which is calling abortion ‘pushing someone’s button’.
Could we try to bring this thread away from the extremely personal accounts of domestic violence and back toward the topic of the quote?
Thank you.
Sorry Kel, my fault.
I didnt mean to derail the thread. Its just one of many stories I have heard about abortion. Everything about it is evil and it goes to show you that it ruins relationships marriages and it breaks Gods heart to see people murdering a child knit into the womb by him. That said this guy Bobby was my old neighbor years ago. When his wife blurted out the abortion as she did he admitted it was a mistake but out of extreme shock he hit her. He explained he didnt mean to and although he felt awful about it he filed for a divorce. The wife cried and I guess she was sitting in her car. He said she rolled the window up and drove away. She did not report the incident to the police.
I dont believe any of us here condone violence here…..after all we pro lifers are fighting the ultimate child abuse….ABORTION!
Sorry didnt mean to say here twice
Im not going to get on the DV topic but there is also a knee jerk response to things. Both were wrong here. She hid the pregnancy/abortion. He hit her. What is the % rate of couples who break up after abortion? Its pretty high. @BV yeah sure…ive been blogging here since 2006. Didnt make it up. I guess in your book Bobby should have held her and said “Its okay dear. We can try again in time.”
Anyway the abortion was confirmed after they agreed a divorce was in order. He said to me..”I could never trust her again.” “How do I know it was even my kid? She said it was but how do I know?” Once trust is gone from a relationship its pretty much over. I have always looked at PC men 2 ways…brow beaten by women or bullies.
Nice to cu jespren.
@9Ek i want to see that add. ok back on track:)
@ Heather, thanks, nice to see you all too. With 3 little ones (and pro abortion inlaws) sometimes for my sanity I have to take a break from the abortion news. My mil had said something particulalry egregious, not because of what she said so much as because what was behind it, and I just couldn’t be Christ-like to her *and* keep up on pro-life conversations at the same time there for a bit. You know I get told I’ve the patience of a saint, but I think most of the time the ability to display patience is just knowing yourself enough to not take too many stressors at once!
I personally believe abortion and domestic abuse are very related and the topic at hand is about women being viewed as objects. When anyone is viewed as an object and not as a full human, they are more likely to be hurt or killed (aborted).
Please respect mine and others extremely personal accounts of abuse and understand that we might feel that our stories are related to the topic and could be helpful to others. Thank you.
Yes, I know two women who chose to have abortions because they were subject to domestic abuse. They were much happier once they got those men out of their lives. Both are now doing quite well in life.
heather–here’s the link to the article gek was talking about: http://liveactionnews.org/taxpayer-funds-used-to-promote-promiscuity-in-obamacare-ad/
What I think is sad, Reality, is that you see nothing wrong with someone feeling like they have to abort to get out of an abusive relationship.
Oh and u2 jack…btw id like your email…or i can give you mine. Where is xalasie?
And ty MIT
Also no disrespect to you Prax….the father of my first 2 kids was abusive so ive been there. That was a tough one to get out of. I would never condone DV. Thomas thanks for the compliment:) ok think i covered all bases.
No disrespect taken at all heather. All of our stories are important.
I’m glad that folks like you, me and Jack got out of our abusive situations and it is very sad when a woman feels she has no choice but to kill her child because someone is beating on her. Common sense says to hold the batterer accountable, not further traumatize and kill the victims.
Our society can and should do better than this.
Hi Prax….yeah my relationship lasted 10 years and we had 2 kids. As for Bobby I dated him for a little while and he wasnt abusive. I dont think he was abusive to his wife until she told him about the secret abortion. Thats why he expressed regret when he slapped her.
I believe if his wife had really feared him she would have kept the abortion secret or told him over the phone. Thats a he** of a way to tell a man youve just killed his child. He was hurt. His feelings matter too. okay going to make more coffee now.
My ex usually expressed regret after he physically abused me too. I said things out of anger as well but never deserved to get hit/slapped. I don’t think there is any good way to tell anyone you killed your/their child.
Anyway, since abortion is legal, many women and men think abortion is okay and it causes many problems in addition to causing the death children. That woman might have kept it a secret from her husband because she knew deep down it was wrong or because she fell for the lie that abortion is a woman’s issue and it just came out when she was angry. She was in control of the decision to abort and talk about it when she was angry, but he was the one who made the decision to backhand her.
Prax right. I got the apologies too. The abuse became worse. After I got out of the relationship I promised myself Id never let anyone hit me again. Laws have changed. The state of Ohio picks it up even if the woman changes her mind on pressing charges.
The last time I saw my x was at our daughters graduation. We exchanged a quick hello and my husband was by my side. I want nothing to do with him to this day.
So I guess we’ve decided we’re not going back on topic after all. I’m not complaining, just pointing it out.
Sorry JDC…
Ive already stated how I feel about the dems…both men and women are to blame for the casual sex and higher abortion rates.
“Sorry JDC…”
It’s okay, heather. :)
Nice to cu jdc
I’m not sorry, JDC. Just saying.
Women that think abortion empowers our gender really need to sit down and take a good long look at what is going on and what the Democratic Party really thinks of them. Aborting children will never stop men from objectifying and abusing women.
“Nice to cu jdc”
Nice to see you as well, heather.
“What good is sexual freedom if all other freedoms are sacrificed in the process? – I think she’s confused.”
I disagree with your assessment of Ms. Turner “reality.” The true meaning of that statement reflected the sad state of affairs that the women’s liberation movement has become. Democrats will accept token women such as Pelosi, Clinton and Sebelius (who don’t even have looks going for them) who have no say so beyond dictates of the democratic party and have been shaped into dependence and obedience to the democratic ideology. Sure Clinton had sexual freedom but acted like a kitten when Bill cheated. What did that do for her? She stood behind “her man” SACRIFICING HER SELF-RESPECT. Could that be what Ms. Turner is talking about when referring to “other freedoms,” – you bet your convoluted self.
The democratic party has embraced women as the 2nd fiddle, professionally and in their personal lives…
Thomas dont forget ol billy boy impregnated mistress Gennifer Flowers who promptly aborted their child!!!!
Im sure Gennifer was pressured to abort Clintons baby and Im sure Hillary was pleased that abortion was an option. But that didnt teach Bill a lesson about keeping it in his pants. Monica and Paula were to follow. I think Id read that Bill bedded Barbra Striesand. That may not be true but Ive read it more than once. Monica had an abortion prior to her affair with Clinton. I bought her book.
Hi Heather:
Democrats embrace women as long as they play 2nd fiddle and just focus on their vaginas and their place in line.
I will impregnate you and you have the choice to make it easy on me and abort. Is that what Billy said to Ms. Flowers? I think, yes…
Thanks for being here Heather.
No problem Thomas. Abortion is a double edged sword ….sometimes women want them and men dont. Sometimes men push women into it. Sometimes its mutual….but its an ugly game and outcome when people play with human life. A female abortionist is just as accountable as a male abortionist. God I hate abortion.
“Democrats will accept token women such as Pelosi, Clinton and Sebelius (who don’t even have looks going for them) ”
I’ve never heard anyone rag on the lack of good looks in male politicians, but it always seems to come up with the female ones. Rather sexist. The only time male politicians get their looks talked about is if they are very attractive or very overweight. Like they bash on that New Jersey governor and then talk about how Paul Ryan is good-looking.
But anyway, why are you blaming Hilary for not getting divorced? Isn’t that her choice? I’ve seen Christian couples talk about overcoming infidelity and everyone praises them, but everyone judges Hilary for… everything to do with Bill. Seems unfair. None of us knows what her marriage is like or why she isn’t divorced.
But I think there’s definitely a point that the Dems condescend to women with their focus on reproductive issues as the only “women’s issues”, I would be insulted if I were a woman. Do they think women don’t care about the economy, or other healthcare needs besides reproduction, or poverty, or anything?
Who is talking about getting divorced? Have I said that and am I blaming her for not getting one? Where?
What I said was that she took it like a kitten instead of sticking it to him, which he deserved. And this standing by your man thing is not required for Christian couples. What I know is that a Christian woman first gets totally upset and angry even, may throw him out and than when ready may begin the process of reconciliation. But there is real display of emotion there, which is a prerequisite for working things out. Had Hilary displayed a backbone, I would have more respect for her but her career was more important right?
Is it just my thought process or would any other woman in her place be totally peeved and not afraid to show it?
“What I said was that she took it like a kitten instead of sticking it to him, which he deserved. And this standing by your man thing is not required for Christian couples. What I know is that a Christian woman first gets totally upset and angry even, may throw him out and than when ready may begin the process of reconciliation. But there is real display of emotion there, which is a prerequisite for working things out. Had Hilary displayed a backbone, I would have more respect for her but her career was more important right?”
You’re making assumptions about what she did and didn’t do, when you really have no clue what went on behind closed doors. People don’t all display their emotions in the same way and a LOT of people dislike displaying their personal business in public, especially if they are already getting judged and blamed like Mrs Clinton was. And her career probably was important to her, which doesn’t make her bad. For all you know she was thinking that single motherhood was on the horizon and it was important that she keep her career intact so she could provide for her daughter. All I’m saying is that people judge her a lot with very little facts. Unless Linda Tripp also recorded Bill and Hillary’s private communications we don’t know what their marriage is like as outsiders looking in.
Single motherhood on the horizon for Hilary. Last I thought it takes a village to raise a child.
Maybe its my culture talking regarding display of emotions. Have you ever seen the Big Fat Greek Wedding? (FYI: I am not Greek but my culture is very similar).
We all make assumptions. I tend to make comments on overt behaviors though as you have read above. Hilary is not genuine. Boy do I appreciate Sarah all of the sudden. What you see is what you get with her. With Hilary you get what you don’t see. Now, whom do we choose?
Everyone is different. WASPs tend not to have big public displays of emotions like some cultures do (Hispanic culture is more open too so I get what you’re saying). I just think it’s unfair that Hillary gets judged and blamed so much regarding Bill. I mean, judge her political actions and views, but her marriage isn’t really anyone’s business in my opinion. And yes I feel the same for conservative politicians and their marriages, especially when the wronged spouse is the one getting blamed and judged.
No one is blaming Hilary for Bill’s behavior Jack. I have not seen that. My comments exclusively referenced how she reacted.
I find it interesting that you have an issue with us discussing the marriage of a public figure. The left does it all the time regarding Republicans but when conservatives comment on lack of marital bliss of a dem pol, “the battle of armageddon” begins…
Yep, you’re judging her for not reacting correctly in your eyes. I don’t consider that fair.
Like I said I don’t like it when people do it to conservatives either, I was annoyed at the many liberals who made fun of Ted Haggard’s poor wife when he got caught with his male prostitute/meth buying/doing inappropriate things to and in front of young male parishioners/etc. It’s not his wife’s fault that he did these things but people judged and made fun of her anyway.
I wonder if many politicians’ mistresses are pressured to abort, even if they say, “I won’t tell anyone it’s yours?”
Well look at John Edwards…Rayel Hunter had the baby and then his wife died. If Im not mistaken it took him a while to confess and at first denied any involvment with Rayel.
Hi Jack and Thomas….I remember when the Clinton scandal broke. The entire media had a field day on the women Clinton chose. Even a good male friend of mine put in his 2 cents claiming Bill had horrible taste in women and with his status could have chosen ” a playboy bunny type.” My reply was always “Well Bill is no prize himself.” But the media is really to blame. And the women must assume they are guilty also. Well..not P. Jones. Heck the media hammered them all so hard it drove Jones and Tripp to plastic surgery and Lewinsky to yo yo diets and eventually into hiding.
“Yep, you’re judging her for not reacting correctly in your eyes. I don’t consider that fair.”
Jack, just FYI. Your comments are full of judging statements all over this blog. Fair is a relative term, isn’t it… :)
Where did I say “You judge and I never do and that makes me better!” lol? We all judge. It’s just my opinion it’s not fair to judge how a cheated on spouse reacts to their husband/wife’s very public infidelity.
”I don’t consider that fair.”
Yep, that’s where you said it.
?? Okay? We all have opinions on what’s fair or not. Doesn’t make me any different from all yall.
So your point is that we are just human, right?
Sure…. that doesn’t mean I can’t have opinions on what I think is fair or appropriate though. I don’t expect Christians to stop going on about homosexuality or whatever, but I can have an opinion on their opinions lol. People can disagree.
I never said we can’t Jack. Its a fault of mine I read between the lines.
That’s what you always accuse me of doing!!!
We are more alike than you know. Ever heard of the 7 degrees of separation? :)
Nope, but I’ve heard the horseshoe theory. The more leftist or right wing you get the more you start sounding like your opposition. ;)
Ever seen an extreme right winger and an extreme radical feminist expound on gay men? It’s like… the exact same thing except the righties tend to be religious about it.
Haven’t we been trying to prove for centuries that we are more than our bodies? Yet this is the sole focus of the Democrats’ campaign for women — because it’s the only one they have — their reproductive organs…. Yet independence is varied and complex to the complete woman. It reaches beyond — way beyond — sex.
What other areas of independence, what other areas of freedom for women, are under assault?