Students for Life catches 2 Planned Parenthoods covering up statutory rape
Watch this one quick, because Planned Parenthood has been getting to someone at Google/YouTube and getting them to take down these videos…
From the Students for Life of America press release today…
In June of 2008, two college women volunteering for SFLA entered two clinics in NC posing as underage girls, 15 and 14, who just had unprotected sex with their mother’s live-in boyfriend who was in his 30s; each girl told the clinic workers that he suggested she come get the morning the Morning After Pill.
According to NC Gen. Statue 7B-301 and 7B-101, this information was enough to trigger NC statutory rape reporting laws, obligating any person who learned of this story to report the crime to authorities.
In both visits, Planned Parenthood staffers acknowledged that what was happening to the girls was statutory rape and even admitted that they were required to report the incident.
However, after the visits, SFLA filed NC Public Records Requests to find out if the PP locations had reported the crimes. SFLA has obtained and posted documents, which show that the crimes were not reported to authorities in either Charlotte or Winston-Salem. To view the reports from police department authorities, go here.
In addition to covering up the statutory rape of these young girls by failing to report, both PPs were willing to help them get on birth control without their parents’ knowledge, which would prolong the abuse while covering evidence. One staffer in Charlotte even said to the girl, “You can do it now,” and set an appointment for the minor to obtain birth control the following week.
Further, both clinics told the girls that anyone over the age of 18 could simply go to a drug store and buy the Morning After Pill for them, giving the girls’ rapists a tool to further cover their crime of rape.
To recap, 2 separate PPs – the 1st Planned Parenthood Charlotte Health Center, the 2nd Planned Parenthood Winston-Salem Health Center – told 2 minor posers the sex they’d supposedly had with a 30+-year-old was reportable to authorities but didn’t report it, even though both girls gave the clinics addresses (fake) and their cell phone numbers.
Both clinics further instructed the girls anyone over 18 could buy a MAP over-the-counter, hint hint, the statutorily raping boyfriend.
And both clinics offered to get the girls on birth control to aid and abet the rapist with further abuse.
These are two ways PP helps cover up rape and incest, another being by abortion.
I’ve posted stills of all PP workers involved in the cover-up, right.
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
$55 for a visit? WOW.
Glad I go to a REAL Doctor that doesn’t prescribe the pill.
They are required to report this, but you know they never do…….too many times they just send the girl back to her abuser (like the 13 or 14 year old that was being sexually abused by her stepfather and became pregnant).
That movie butchered one of my favorite songs.
If you can’t take the cursing, pick a different song.
My initial thought was “unbelievable”…but then I remembered that it’s Planned Parenthood, so, I’m not nearly as shocked. It makes me furious that our tax dollars support that place.
If this is true, Planned Parenthood needs to do a much better job training its employees. I look forward to seeing their statement on these events.
so far, hal, their “statement” is say nothing, and hide evidence.
Last week a female assault victim fell unconscious in front of a PP building. The couple of anti choicers representig the 40 days of life and hanging around PP did absolutely nothing to help her. Thankfully a PP employee sptted her and got her the help she needed.
Obviously anti choicers support and facilitate violence against women.
Pro Lifers do NOT facilitate violence against women.
Abortion is VIOLENCE against future WOMEN (the unborn woman — the baby GIRL in the womb).
Colorado RTL brought audio of a Life Dynamics sting,
proving a cover up at PP in our state, to Republican
AG, John Suthers’ office in 05.
We were told there was nothing to be done!
A pox on both houses.
sally, where did this happen?
Sally, 12:52PM
Any documentation of this account? Exactly what do you mean by assault? Rape? Mugging?
Is there a police or paramedic report? Have both sides issued any kind of statement? Any recording of a call to 911?
Pro Lifers do NOT facilitate violence against women.
Abortion is VIOLENCE against future WOMEN (the unborn woman — the baby GIRL in the womb).
Posted by: LizFromNebraska at October 6, 2008 12:54 PM
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Right. That’s why the anti choicers did absolutely nothing to help that beaten and bleeding woman lying unconscious on the sidewalk. What’s up with that? Too busy fantasizing over theoretical violence to recognize the real thing right in front of their eyes?
Hal,
“If this is true, Planned Parenthood needs to do a much better job training its employees. I look forward to seeing their statement on these events.”
I agree with what you’re implying- namely, that the behavior of these employees does not necessarily reflect that of the entire organization. I totally realize that every organization has bad apples, and that what bad things they do should not reflect on the organization. However, just like you, I do expect an apology from PP and a statement saying that their behavior in now way represents what they stand for. I think that’s only fair. But, they haven’t done that any other time that I know of, and I have little hope that they will do it this time. THAT is what makes PP look bad; when they don’t even acknowledge this kind of thing or apologize on behalf of their employees. I’m not saying they won’t; I want to know if they do. But I have very little reason to believe that they will, which really reflects poorly on PP. It just adds evidence for why we (pro-lifers) hate the organization.
Sally
Answer Mary and Xalisae’s questions. Is there documentation? A 911 call recording? A newspaper story we can read?
Many of those who work for Planned Parenthood often twist the story to fit their agenda.
sally, where did this happen?
Posted by: xalisae at October 6, 2008 1:05 PM
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Albuquerque, New Mexico. She was taken to the University of New Mexico hospital. I have friends working there.
The violence against this woman was probably a botched abortion and she was hemorraging. She decided to go back to PP when things didn’t seem to be going so well, got to the door and due to the loss of blood collapsed on the sidewalk in front of the door. I am sure the pro-lifers decided they better not to touch her because they would have been accused of bodily harm or some other ridiculous charge.
Just a thought.
Bobby, you are right.
If this is wrong (as it appears to be) say so and fix it. If this is not wrong, explain why and let us judge the rationale.
I have to agree with Sandy.
so…it’s hearsay…totally unsubstantiated (even though if true, it’s a story that the msm would just LOVE to get their hands on)? tell me, are your friends as pro-choice as you are?
Sally, 12:52PM
Any documentation of this account? Exactly what do you mean by assault? Rape? Mugging?
Is there a police or paramedic report? Have both sides issued any kind of statement? Any recording of a call to 911?
Posted by: Mary at October 6, 2008 1:10 PM
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I know where she dropped nearly dead and who did and did not provide assistance. And that she was admitted to UNM hospital. I suppose I could call a couple of cop friends and get the low down on what they believe happened to her but it is redundant to the point that the antis did absolutely nothing to help the poor woman.
Have both ‘sides’ issued a statement? What ‘sides’ would that be? The ‘side’ that cares about women and the ‘side’ that cares about embryos?
I don’t think it even made the local newspaper. Women are being beaten every minute of every day in this country. It’s hardly breaking news and apparently just to icky for antis to deal with.
The violence against this woman was probably a botched abortion and she was hemorraging. She decided to go back to PP when things didn’t seem to be going so well, got to the door and due to the loss of blood collapsed on the sidewalk in front of the door. I am sure the pro-lifers decided they better not to touch her because they would have been accused of bodily harm or some other ridiculous charge.
Just a thought.
Posted by: Sandy at October 6, 2008 1:17 PM
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This would be an example of wrong thinking on your part.
ugh. this is terrible. i was trying to find info on what sally was talking about, and ended up finding this instead. horrible.
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Mike
Sally, without substantiation your claim is invalid.
Doesn’t shock me. The PP Winston-Salem is the PP that told me that “they don’t offer any prenatal care except abortions” and tried to bully me into getting one.
so…it’s hearsay…totally unsubstantiated (even though if true, it’s a story that the msm would just LOVE to get their hands on)? tell me, are your friends as pro-choice as you are?
Posted by: xalisae at October 6, 2008 1:30 PM
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If you really gave a rat’s patooty you could substantiate the verifiable facts for yourself.
You seem to be under the delusion that the entire world is as obsessed with the subject of abortion as you apparently are. There are obviously much bigger stories for the media to cover other than yet another woman beaten. It’s hardly headline news that a couple of loitering antis couldn’t be bothered to aid a victim of violence. Perhaps you can get Jill to do a piece on it.
I really have no idea what views my friends working at UNM hospital have on the subject of abortion. How petty of you to ask.
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Mike
Sally,
The pro-lifers probably couldn’t have stepped one foot on the abortion clinic’s property without being arrested. So maybe your guys should stop arresting us and then we can help the women who pass out outside the clinic. Just a thought.
No, Sally, it doesn’t work that way. You make the claim, you substantiate it. Otherwise you’re simply a delusional, obsessed flame thrower.
“You seem to be under the delusion that the entire world is as obsessed with the subject of abortion as you apparently are.”
Hey Sally,
I was a company function the other night with co-workers; software developers, engineers, etc. And the subject of abortion came up, I was pleasantly surprized how strong their views were, mostly in favor of life. Although some did not agree with Sarah Palin’s views, all did agree that the Democrat party stance is way too extreme.
I liked this recent video: “Pro-Life Aggression? You Decide” at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLzBDALxfAM (10 min).
I have to agree…need some proof that Sally’s story actually happened the way she stated it…
Pro-lifers could never leave a woman in that condition even at the risk of getting arrested for violating private property…
You got 2nd or 3rd hand hearsay and you immediately accuse pro-lifers ?
Hey this just shows your prejudice against us…
*on another note…is there really something happening during the midnight hours while praying at PP for the 40 days for Life…this is my 3rd time receiving curses at or around midnight…makes one think…
Sally, without substantiation your claim is invalid.
Posted by: Jill Stanek at October 6, 2008 2:01 PM
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That’s rich coming from you Jill.
Dear Friend of PPNM,
We are shocked and galled!
Yesterday PPNM staff exiting our parking lot noticed an injured woman lying semi-conscious on the sidewalk in front of our surgical clinic. Staff immediately summoned police and paramedics who responded quickly, ultimately taking the woman to the hospital. She had not been a patient here, but had obviously been abused by someone somewhere else, staggered here and collapsed.
Meanwhile, several anti-choice protesters were walking back and forth in front of our clinic in plain view of the woman. She was laying face-down on the sidewalk just feet away from them but no-one bothered to see if she was alright; police said the only call for help was from PPNM.
These protesters are part of a 40 Days for Life campaign that has organized anti-choice volunteers to pray and protest in front of our clinic and administrative offices from 7 AM to 7 PM daily from September 24 until Election Day on November 4.
These same protesters harassed our patients and staff last spring when they held a Lenten 40 Days event here. We have quickly tired of once again having to tell them not to stop cars in our driveway, remind them that they’re too loud if we can hear them inside, and shoo them out of our parking lot. That’s right! They think it’s OK to park their cars in our lot while they protest against us, yet they cannot be bothered to help an injured person right in front of them!
Adding to the 40 Days for Life disruption is the October 5th Life Chain. These particular anti-choice protestors plan to form a human chain in front of our clinic on San Mateo stretching from Lomas to Central on both sides of the street.
Having protesters here every day is stressful for everyone at PPNM and security expenses add significantly to PPNM’s cost of doing business. You can help! If this makes you as mad as it does us, consider making a gift to pledge@ppnewmex.org or volunteer as a patient escort by calling 890-1010 for information.
Thank you for supporting Planned Parenthood of New Mexico!
Jenny Black
Interim President/CEO
Prove this to be untrue Jill. Her medical records state where she was found. Of course I cannot provide those. The police report states who called for assistance. Perhaps your buddies at RTL could pony up the cash to get a copy. They surely need to do some spin doctoring on this incident.
Sally,
The pro-lifers probably couldn’t have stepped one foot on the abortion clinic’s property without being arrested. So maybe your guys should stop arresting us and then we can help the women who pass out outside the clinic. Just a thought.
Posted by: Elizabeth (Gabriella’s Momma) at October 6, 2008 2:17 PM
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Really? The antis park their cars in the Planned Parenthood parking lot. It might help if you understood that there aren’t exactly a multitude of antis around here.
Sally,
You’re just going to ASSUME the pro-lifers actually saw her and did nothing. I don’t even know how this clinic is set up and just because PPNM says the pro-lifers could see her, doesn’t make it true. Even so, PP has arrested pro-lifers for just walking near their property, not even ON their property, so maybe they didn’t want to get arrested. I can’t say that I blame them in that respect.
Sally,
Please, documentation. When you make a claim like this documentation is in order. How do you “know” this for a fact? Were you an eyewitness? Can you show us some affidavits from witnesses?
Sure, a police report would be very helpful. Certainly the police were involved if this woman was so brutally assaulted. Any newspaper accounts?
The other Elizabeth is right — they probably didn’t want to get arrested. What if they **had** approached the woman and tried to help (what if they actually did, but were demanded to get off the property by the “workers”?
Not all PRO LIFERS (not anti choice! I hate that term and it shows your ignorance) are heartless pigs like Planned Parenthood likes to portray us as.
And we don’t harass women either. We pray for them, especially those who are desperate and alone and have been abandoned by their family, especially the father of the baby. Many of these women are TOLD to abort or “Get out” of the house of that the guy will leave them.
Satan is the author of lies, and Planned Parenthood is one of his most favorite of places because the abortion industry was founded on PURE LIES.
Hey Sally,
I was a company function the other night with co-workers; software developers, engineers, etc. And the subject of abortion came up, I was pleasantly surprized how strong their views were, mostly in favor of life. Although some did not agree with Sarah Palin’s views, all did agree that the Democrat party stance is way too extreme.
Posted by: Jasper at October 6, 2008 2:22 PM
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Hey Jasper,
I was at my son in laws birthday party the other night. He’s working on his PHD. Daughter has a bach in Civil Engineering and a masters in Architecture. Their friends are professionals ranging from artists to doctors. The subject of abortion came up and all agreed that there are much more important matters to consider in this election. All are either supporting Obama or too dissilusioned with politics to support anyone. Everyone thinks that Palin is a ding bat.
Sally,
Unreal. They exploit this poor woman’s situation to raise funds. I don’t see any concern expressed for this woman, did she recover, how serious was her injury, (it may also have been a medical condition), is she alive or dead?
Their compassion and concern leaves me at a loss for words, literally.
Sally, there are two sides to every story. I see no statements from the PL people. Hardly fair. I certainly wouldn’t consider the writers of this fundraising letter the most unbiased of sources.
This is a fundraising letter and this woman’s tragic situation is being used to elicit funds.
This is beneath contempt.
Sally,
By the way a fundraising letter is not documentation. You’d be laughed out of a courtroom. Police reports, witness affidavits issued by BOTH sides, medical records are all documentation.
Its possible the woman may have collapsed on the spot as the PP people were pulling out of the driveway from a medical condition and was not immediately noticed by the PL people.
Sally,
You’re just going to ASSUME the pro-lifers actually saw her and did nothing. I don’t even know how this clinic is set up and just because PPNM says the pro-lifers could see her, doesn’t make it true. Even so, PP has arrested pro-lifers for just walking near their property, not even ON their property, so maybe they didn’t want to get arrested. I can’t say that I blame them in that respect.
Posted by: Elizabeth (Gabriella’s Momma) at October 6, 2008 2:41 PM
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It is you that is doing the assuming. Our PP isn’t exactly a large building. Google maps gives you a pretty clear imagage of the building and parking lot. That the antis have no problem using this parking lot makes it quite obvious that they aren’t in the least bit concerned over being arrested. PP could quite legally have their cars towed away now couldn’t they. Obviously no one really cares enough about the protesters to be bothered with such things. Perhaps you are correct that the antis didn’t see the woman lying a few feet away. Too bad she wasn’t ‘baby parts’. The antis would have spotted her immediately. @@
Sally,
The crazy letter written by Jenny Black of PP does not substantiate your claims AT ALL.
I am even more disgusted that they would take this poor woman’s story and use it as a fundraiser!!!! No surprise.
Leave it to Planned Parenthood.
Is this New Mexico clinic the same clinic that was willing to accept racist donations?
What do you expect, Sandy? Its Planned Parenthood — they don’t care a snitch about this woman (or any woman, especially poor minority women). All they care about is getting more $$$$$$$. Or continuing Margaret Sanger’s work.
Hi Mary,
You and I were on the same wave!!!
How pathetic that they would use such a tragedy to gain financial support. Funny how when a woman runs into trouble during an abortion inside their clinics, they seem to have trouble finding the 911 on the telephone pad.
…….or when a baby has the nerve to survive abortion and the mother is crying for them to call 911, they don’t seem to care.
Like when poor Christin Gilbert was in pain and dying, the woman at Tiller’s abortion mill who called 911 told the operator “no sirens,”. She was very evasive about the patient’s condition.
The woman was abused somewhere else, staggered here and collapsed.
The woman may have also injured herself when collapsing from a medical condition.
I would like to Jenny Black’s credentials as a police investigator.
Liz,
They worked on Christin for 40-45 minutes before it even dawned on them to call 911! Something any school child would have known enough to do once they saw Christin collapse as she walked through the door.
A schoolchild would also know you NEVER downplay the seriousness of a situation when calling 911.
Sally,
By the way a fundraising letter is not documentation. You’d be laughed out of a courtroom. Police reports, witness affidavits issued by BOTH sides, medical records are all documentation.
Its possible the woman may have collapsed on the spot as the PP people were pulling out of the driveway from a medical condition and was not immediately noticed by the PL people.
Posted by: Mary at October 6, 2008 3:05 PM
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The facts of the incident have been made public. It is up to you to disprove Planned Parenthood’s statement. By the way, the woman’s ‘medical condition’ is called assault and battery. Perhaps attempted murder. It is a total possibility that the anti protesters were completely oblivious to the woman’s presence. Good thing that babies weren’t being tossed in the dumpster. They would have missed that too.
As for being laughed out of court, what would be laughed out of court is alledging statutory rape against some unknown person with absolutely no evidence.
Hi Sandy,
Indeed we are. I still wonder what became of the poor woman.
Sally,
How is it up to US to disprove anything? You made the allegation. Maybe provide a link for ANYTHING you’re alleging for us to see, and then we can make our judgements. I’m not going to speculate on something you’ve said and not been able to prove by even providing a link of some sort. I don’t frankly have the time to search for whatever story you’re jabbering on about. And since I didn’t bring it up, I won’t go out of my way to find one either. You brought it up, you show the proof.
Having been assaulted myself I can understand the reassurance a patient would get from not having to tell someone (their parents, the police). I stand by PP 100%. Are you in favor of shutting down the entire boston diocese of the catholic church as well. They have quite the problem with priest rapes and cover-ups.
In Sally’s comments, you have a perfect example of a favorite proabort tactic: when you have nothing at all to say about the subject, change the subject by telling a bald faced lie.
So tell us Sally, what do you think about the videos? What, no comment? What a shock!
Sally,
Its not up to me to disprove anything. A fundraising letter is not a statement.
Its possible the woman may have staggered out of an alley, bldg, or parking lot after being struck and collapsed on that spot as the PP staff was pulling out of the driveway, and the PL people had not yet noticed her.
This makes attempts to exploit her tragedy for fundraising even more contemptible.
Have there been any statements issued by the PL demonstrators?
Sally, PP has to report what the girl claims is statutory rape. Its up to the police to follow up and take the matter to court.
Sally,
Unreal. They exploit this poor woman’s situation to raise funds. I don’t see any concern expressed for this woman, did she recover, how serious was her injury, (it may also have been a medical condition), is she alive or dead?
Their compassion and concern leaves me at a loss for words, literally.
Sally, there are two sides to every story. I see no statements from the PL people. Hardly fair. I certainly wouldn’t consider the writers of this fundraising letter the most unbiased of sources.
This is a fundraising letter and this woman’s tragic situation is being used to elicit funds.
This is beneath contempt.
Posted by: Mary at October 6, 2008 2:59 PM
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What kind of statement do you think you are going to get from the PL people? Pretending it never happened is the obvious statement being made.
I have a friend in medical records. All I can say is that the woman is alive but in serious condition. I wonder if any of those antis would bother to visit the poor woman and express their concern for her well being or apologies for not seeing/helping her. Perhaps they could organize a protest outside the homes of convicted women beaters. Like that would ever happen. @@
YoLaTango,
So you find it reassuring that an incest/statutory rape victim will be returned to her attacker and subjected to further assault.
You find it reassuring that a sex offender is free to prey on her again and again, as well as other young girls, since his crimes have gone unreported.
YLT As a victim yourself, how do you feel about the possiblity that your attacker’s unreported previous crime may have enable him to assault you and who knows how many other women?
Yo La Tango
If a girl was being abused by her stepfather and was taken there for an abortion, they are required by LAW to report this, so the abuser can be put in Jail.
If a 14 year old doesn’t want her parents to know a 27 year old soccer coach got her pregnant, tough. They (Planned Parenthood or a hospital) are required by law to report such an incident, even if it was “consensual”. Its still statutory rape.
Yo La,
Read what I wrote in my 1:13 post. If they make a public apology and implement a program to try and make sure that this kind of thing doesn’t happen again, then they should not be shut down (at least not for this). If they do that, that shows how much they genuinely care and how serious they are to make sure stuff like this doesn’t happen anymore. It earns them respect and trust to issue a public statement and implement some sort of plan to make sure that this doesn’t happen again. But if they don’t, then of course we should want them shut down. That’s a difference between what happened with the Catholic Church and what is going on with PP. The Church has apologized many times on behalf of the sickos, and is working to make sure it doesn’t happen again. Will PP be able to say the same? I’m not saying they won’t, but I’m not holding my breath.
Sally, 3:41PM
One thing the PL people wouldn’t do is exploit her tragic situation to raise funds.
Sally, PP has to report what the girl claims is statutory rape. Its up to the police to follow up and take the matter to court.
Posted by: Mary at October 6, 2008 3:40 PM
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Did the girl undergo a physical examination? Wouldn’t at least some evidence of the girl actually having had sex be necessary? Charging a person with rape is a serious allegation not to be made lightly and without evidence. Clearly the lying girl knows this or her mother would be under investigation for harboring a child molester in the real world now wouldn’t she. When the lie was uncovered, the lying girl might very well have been charged with making false accusations. This kind of game playing is childish and pointless.
What i don’t understand about Sally’s story is why the woman, if recently attacked and that badly injured, woul;d go straight to a PP and not a hospital. I mean even if you believe in their rape services, I would go there after the fact for counseling, not for ER care.
Sally, 3:41PM
One thing the PL people wouldn’t do is exploit her tragic situation to raise funds.
Posted by: Mary at October 6, 2008 3:49 PM
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Oh, like you antis won’t exploit anything or anyone to suit your agenda.
Sally 3:52PM
I said a police investigation. Police investigation. That would include interviews, medical examination results, evidence, witnesses, statements, etc.
How did the PP workers know the Pro-lifers just let her lay there? Maybe she collapsed seconds before the PP worker got on her car and pulled out in front of the clinic.
It may have just appeared she had been there longer than a few seconds.
Too many holes in this story.
Sally 3:55PM
You mean like the victim of a criminal assault?
In Sally’s comments, you have a perfect example of a favorite proabort tactic: when you have nothing at all to say about the subject, change the subject by telling a bald faced lie.
So tell us Sally, what do you think about the videos? What, no comment? What a shock!
Posted by: Doyle at October 6, 2008 3:39 PM
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If find these fools tactics to be completely irresponsible Doyle. It’s quite ironic that you support liars and then have the audacity to point your crooked little finger.
Pansy Moss,
Its sounds like the woman was assaulted near the clinic and collapsed there. She obviously didn’t have enough strength to go any further.
Sally,
You have provided NO PROOF, and yet WE are the liars?
Riiiiight.
Sandy,3:59PM
Exactly. I’ve been in enough emergency situations to know that time easily becomes distorted.
Sally 3:52PM
I said a police investigation. Police investigation. That would include interviews, medical examination results, evidence, witnesses, statements, etc.
Posted by: Mary at October 6, 2008 3:59 PM
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If the woman has been able to make a statement, there has yet to be an arrest. My friend in medical records cannot give me details of her condition at this point due to laws preventing such. The police have not issued any statements thus far. I assume that the investigation is ongoing.
Sally,
I’m referring to your post of 3:52PM concerning statutory rape.
Pansy Moss,
Its sounds like the woman was assaulted near the clinic and collapsed there. She obviously didn’t have enough strength to go any further.
Posted by: Mary at October 6, 2008 4:03 PM
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Exactly. It is incidental where she collapsed. This PP isn’t far from the ‘war zone’ plagued by gang bangers. Very busy area where it wouldn’t be difficult to dump a victim in an alley without notice. It sounds like she barely made it to the front of the building before collapsing. It would be very foolish of the protesters not to keep their eyes open in this neighborhood. It’s hard to imagine they didn’t see her staggering towards them let alone lying bleeding on the sidewalk.
Yo La Tango,
by not reporting the attack, you aid your attacker. by not reporting, you allow them to continue on in that manner;you help them hurt other people. pro-lifers wanting women to report their attacks, possibly even being compelled to do so by law if need be, is not a failing, but a virtue, and sometimes bitter medicine is most effective. Do not forget that I am woman too. I would not advocate a law that I myself would hesitate to follow, and you’d better believe that I would not allow my attacker to go on to hurt other women, despite my own discomfort. This “pro-lifers don’t really care about women.” line is garbage, and if you really cared, you’d put keeping other women safe before your own comfort as well. Not that I expect any pro-abort to put other people first. Anyone who could sacrifice the lives of their own children to fulfill their wants (or even advocate the legality of that behavior) can’t possibly be bothered to see past their own nose, let alone comprehend acting in the welfare of a stranger.
Sally, if YOU are so concerned about this woman who allegedly was the victim of assault and are so concerned with her having people to comfort her and inquire as to her well being, why don’t YOU hold a vigil at her bedside and file some sort of grievance with the police regarding how the PL people did nothing for her???????
You made this entire thing up and you know it.
Sally,
You have provided NO PROOF, and yet WE are the liars?
Riiiiight.
Posted by: Elizabeth (Gabriella’s Momma) at October 6, 2008 4:04 PM
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Excuse me? A couple of girls go to a Planned Parenthood and tell lies they would have been in mighty big trouble for telling if taken at face value and compare such to the absolute fact that a woman beaten near to death was either ignored or unbelievably not spotted a few feet away by antis? You justify this behavior how?
Whatever Sally. Show some proof..maybe just a simple link to a story that says anything of what you’re talking about, and I’ll discuss it, until then, sorry. You’re just trying to switch the topic.
Sally 4:22PM
It may have happened very suddenly. The woman may have appeared to be walking normally, thus not drawing any attention, and then collapsed without warning. Its very possible people did not immediately notice.
As I said Sally, in crisis situations time can be easily distorted, especially in retrospect.
Sally, if YOU are so concerned about this woman who allegedly was the victim of assault and are so concerned with her having people to comfort her and inquire as to her well being, why don’t YOU hold a vigil at her bedside and file some sort of grievance with the police regarding how the PL people did nothing for her???????
You made this entire thing up and you know it.
Posted by: Mike at October 6, 2008 4:23 PM
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There is no law against caring more about embryos than women Mike. I am very much involved in violence against women issues. Who do you donate your time to? Your sperm?
Oh, and I’m sure the woman beat herself to a pulp Mike. Are you a woman beater? She probably spoke when she was supposed to be listening to her man huh Mike?
Are you really dimwitted enough to believe that Planned Parenthood would make a statement they would have to retract? I made it up? Sure I did Mike. Keep telling yourself that and maybe even you can believe it.
This news release doesn’t say what day, what time, what clinic. I suspect this is a made-up incident.
Sally,
Until someone is charged with the assault of this woman, we can’t know if her attacker was a man or a woman.
Also, I saw no statement from PP, only a fundraising letter exploiting this woman’s tragedy.
Sally 4:22PM
It may have happened very suddenly. The woman may have appeared to be walking normally, thus not drawing any attention, and then collapsed without warning. Its very possible people did not immediately notice.
As I said Sally, in crisis situations time can be easily distorted, especially in retrospect.
Posted by: Mary at October 6, 2008 4:38 PM
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I completely agree with you. It would undoubtedly be shocking to see a bloody woman coming towards you, collapsing or even lying on the sidewalk. But I’m pretty sure the first thing I would think of is calling 911 on my cell phone. Clearly those PL folks aren’t much good in a crisis. Hope they don’t work in a crisis pregnancy center.
CC,
This isn’t even a news release. Its the copy of a fund raising letter.
Sally,
At 1:33 you said you doubted the story made the papers. At 3:30 you said: “The facts of the story have been make public.”
Your story does not add up.
Sally,
The woman may have stepped out of a bldg, or come around the corner from an alley or parking lot and collapsed. She may have appeared and collapsed very suddenly.
No one may have immediately noticed the woman’s presence because she may have been walking normally and her injuries may not have been that obvious or as I stated above, she may have just stepped onto the sidewalk and collapsed suddenly.
If this “letter” from PP was real, Penny Black at PP would have written the area code with the phone no. at the bottom of the letter where she asked for volunteers, and most likely would not have called 40 days for life event earlier in the year a “Lenten” event.
Again, the “facts” are not adding up.
Correction, her name is Jenny Black not Penny.
by not reporting the attack, you aid your attacker. by not reporting, you allow them to continue on in that manner;you help them hurt other people. pro-lifers wanting women to report their attacks, possibly even being compelled to do so by law if need be, is not a failing, but a virtue, and sometimes bitter medicine is most effective. Do not forget that I am woman too. I would not advocate a law that I myself would hesitate to follow, and you’d better believe that I would not allow my attacker to go on to hurt other women, despite my own discomfort. This “pro-lifers don’t really care about women.” line is garbage, and if you really cared, you’d put keeping other women safe before your own comfort as well. Not that I expect any pro-abort to put other people first. Anyone who could sacrifice the lives of their own children to fulfill their wants (or even advocate the legality of that behavior) can’t possibly be bothered to see past their own nose, let alone comprehend acting in the welfare of a stranger.
Posted by: xalisae at October 6, 2008 4:23 PM
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You are blaming the victim. The victim is not responsible for past, present or future behavior of a criminal. What you imagine that you would do in a given situation is just that. Your imagination. You really have no idea how traumatizing simply getting a restraining order can be let alone filing criminal charges after an attack. Equating trauma with simple discomfort is belittling of the actual experience. You need to examine your ‘garbage’ a little more closely if you wish to approach sounding in the least bit caring of women.
If this “letter” from PP was real, Penny Black at PP would have written the area code with the phone no. at the bottom of the letter where she asked for volunteers, and most likely would not have called 40 days for life event earlier in the year a “Lenten” event.
Again, the “facts” are not adding up.
Posted by: Janet at October 6, 2008 5:01 PM
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Would you like for me to forward you the email? There were two web links after the signature rather than a phone number.
Here you go:
http://www.ppnewmex.org
http://www.myspace.com/ppnewmex
Sally,
At 1:33 you said you doubted the story made the papers. At 3:30 you said: “The facts of the story have been make public.”
Your story does not add up.
Posted by: Janet at October 6, 2008 4:56 PM
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Janet dear, the story is told in a public email. Not a newspaper. It’s really not that difficult to understand. No twisting or spinning, just straight facts. Woman is beaten and collapses in front of PP building. PP employees call for help. Antis do nothing. Guess they are pro choice about aiding victims of violence.
Sally,
There’s nothing about it on the PPNewMex site.
The myspace postings are not official emails from PP. No letterhead. Nothing to make it look authentic. Google it and you only come up with two entries. Surely your friends in New Mex. could authenticate the story for you if you cared enough to try and if it were real, Google would find something by now
Sally 5:08PM
So when we say victims of car theft or breaking and entering should report the crimes, we’re blaming the victims?
Public email? Who originated the email? It looks like a cut and paste on two blog sites and nothing more.
It’s an awful sounding story, but you’ve produced no evidence. You know, Sally dear, you can’t believe everything you read on the internet.
In addition, Planned Parenthood would never let protestors park in their own parking lot. It doesn’t add up.
This news release doesn’t say what day, what time, what clinic. I suspect this is a made-up incident.
Posted by: Cranky Catholic at October 6, 2008 4:49 PM
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Good grief! The letter is dated Sept 30 and states that the incident happened the previous day. That shouldn’t have been difficult for you to figure out. Two minutes and a google search would tell you that there is only one PP in Albuquerque. Do you really need the obvious pointed out to you?
Sally 5:24PM
Why isn’t this story in a newspaper? This would certainly be in the newspaper in my city. A public e-mail? Anyone can say anything in a public e-mail.
How do you know there’s no twisting and spinning, only straight facts?
Good grief! The letter is dated Sept 30 and states that the incident happened the previous day. That shouldn’t have been difficult for you to figure out. Two minutes and a google search would tell you that there is only one PP in Albuquerque. Do you really need the obvious pointed out to you?
Whatever.That’s all the time I have to play 20 questions today.
Back to the issue at hand…
How convenient. Sally just happens to have a “friend” in medical records at the hospital this woman is alleged to have been taken to.
The problem is medical records at this point would have no knowledge of this woman since the “friend” wouldn’t see the records until after the patient is discharged or expired. It would also be a gross violation of patient confidentiality, as well as grounds for legal action and job termination, were Sally’s “friend” to say anything to anyone concerning this woman.
Sally, it would have been smarter to say you had a “friend” who was a nurse or a member of the medical staff.
I’m just embarassed I didn’t catch this sooner.
Public email? Who originated the email? It looks like a cut and paste on two blog sites and nothing more.
It’s an awful sounding story, but you’ve produced no evidence. You know, Sally dear, you can’t believe everything you read on the internet.
In addition, Planned Parenthood would never let protestors park in their own parking lot. It doesn’t add up.
Posted by: Janet at October 6, 2008 5:34 PM
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I repeat that I’d be happy to forward the email to you. Cranky didn’t have a problem finding it on the internet even if he has difficulty with comprehending what was written in it.
You seem to fail to understand that antis are not numberous in NM. The vast majority of New Mexicans are quite content with our abortion laws as they stand. No one takes anti protesters seriously here and could care less where they park their cars including the folks at the local PP. There are very rarely enough loitering protesters around to pose even a public nuisance.
How convenient. Sally just happens to have a “friend” in medical records at the hospital this woman is alleged to have been taken to.
The problem is medical records at this point would have no knowledge of this woman since the “friend” wouldn’t see the records until after the patient is discharged or expired. It would also be a gross violation of patient confidentiality, as well as grounds for legal action and job termination, were Sally’s “friend” to say anything to anyone concerning this woman.
Sally, it would have been smarter to say you had a “friend” who was a nurse or a member of the medical staff.
I’m just embarassed I didn’t catch this sooner.
Posted by: Mary at October 6, 2008 5:51 PM
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You didn’t catch anything and should be embarrased. Medical records includes admissions Mary. The woman’s transportation to UNM from the sidewalk in front of PP is a matter of public record. Stating that the woman is in serious condition violates nothing.
Face it Mary. You cannot disprove the truth.
Mary, I think the case is closed. :) How about you?
Students for Life America,
Excellent job on producing these videos! God Bless you all!
Sally 6:17PM
No, the medical records department gets charts after a patient is discharged or expired. They have nothing to to with admissions. That’s a seperate department. This woman likely was admitted through the emergency dept. and your “friend” in medical records would have no knowledge of her or access to her medical records until her discharge or death.
Sure her admission to the hospital is public record, our rescue squads list transports and newpapers say where victims were transported for care. Our local newpaper also mentions what condition a person is in, especially a crime or accident victim.
Face it Sally, you got caught with your pants down on this one.
Next time, say you have a “friend” who’s a nurse, in the admissions dept., or on the medical staff.
Janet 6:19PM
I would think so. Like I said, I’m just embarassed I didn’t spot this “friend” sooner. I was really asleep at the wheel!
Sally 5:24PM
Why isn’t this story in a newspaper? This would certainly be in the newspaper in my city. A public e-mail? Anyone can say anything in a public e-mail.
How do you know there’s no twisting and spinning, only straight facts?
Posted by: Mary at October 6, 2008 5:37 PM
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If Planned Parenthood’s story wasn’t true, the antis would be all over it attempting to discredit PP now wouldn’t they.
I haven’t seen this story in the paper but it doesn’t mean that I didn’t simply miss it. And frankly I called my friend at the hospital to verify PP’s story as much as possible before passing the story on. She told me as much as she was legally allowed to tell. I got further verification from a police detective friend a few minutes ago. He verified where the woman was found and who made the 911 call. I don’t believe everything I read no matter who it’s written by. Not even Planned Parenthood.
The incident happened and it really doesn’t matter if the folks on this blog believe it happened or not. The antis of my locale have made themselves look pretty apathetic to victims of violence. Their peers really should give them a good talking to if they haven’t already.
when did i ever say “it is your fault you were violated, you dirty, filthy skank!”?!
blaming the victim? no, i think not. refusing to be victimized by my attacker, and then a second time by some vague societal construct of some sort of stigma being attatched to a woman who is harmed in such a way is what i am advocating, and the longer women like you say it is ok to be a victim, just suck it up, keep your mouth shut, and get an abortion, the longer this stigma will persist. gay rights activists have been making progress because they stopped listening to the line of crap being fed to them that they were in the wrong, and the sooner women like you stop capitulating to this nonsense, the sooner women can freely seek and obtain justice.
Sally 6:42PM
Your “friend” at the hospital isn’t legally allowed to tell you squat.
Now we have a “friend” in the police dept.
Give it up Sally, please.
There would have to be some record somewhere. Call your local newpaper or check it online.
When you find verification of this incident and exactly what happened, please be kind enough to share it with us.
X 6:44pm
Amen. Very well said.
Sally 6:17PM
No, the medical records department gets charts after a patient is discharged or expired. They have nothing to to with admissions. That’s a seperate department. This woman likely was admitted through the emergency dept. and your “friend” in medical records would have no knowledge of her or access to her medical records until her discharge or death.
Sure her admission to the hospital is public record, our rescue squads list transports and newpapers say where victims were transported for care. Our local newpaper also mentions what condition a person is in, especially a crime or accident victim.
Face it Sally, you got caught with your pants down on this one.
Next time, say you have a “friend” who’s a nurse, in the admissions dept., or on the medical staff.
Posted by: Mary at October 6, 2008 6:31 PM
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Mary, you really don’t know what you are talking about. The records department at UNM transcribes everything contained in the records as well as transfering those records from one department/office to another. My friend often does the transcriptions of emergency room admissions. She called me last month when a friend of ours was admitted after a carpentry accident involving the amputation of three of his fingers. Medical records involves a great deal more than filing those records away. Surely a medical records expert such as yourself would know this.
I am a North Carolina native and absolutely thrilled at what these brave young people have done. I hope they forward this information to every local news station….of course we know they won’t touch it with somebody else’s ten foot pole because God forbid the real face, the evils of planned parenthood get out to the public. Anyway, I’m just glad to see those sleezeball baby killers getting busted every now and then. I am in Durham quite a bit. I have to drive by Planned Parenthood on the way to an eye doctor and each time I get nauseated and wonder why there are no protesters. Does anyone know why? Never in 6 yrs have I seen a protester outside the PP of Durham, NC. Do they not provide murder of the innocent at that particular location?
Sally,
You’re only digging yourself in deeper. Medical transcriptionists transcribe doctor dictations, i.e. history and physicals, surgical procedures, and put this into the patient record. Medical records personnel tend to the proper storage, maintenance, and protection of patient records after the patient has been discharged or expired.
Sally, your “friend” is guilty of gross violations of patient confidentiality and could face job termination as well as legal prosecution for discussing anything with you concerning a patient, as apparently she has.
BTW, I’m purposefully not engaging in conversation with the pro-murder people around here right now. In my view, you can’t use compassion, reason and logic with a person whose heart is black and brain so warped that they believe murdering innocent human live is a “privacy” or “civil rights” issue. Some on the devil’s side simply are not educated that “it” is more than a “blob of cells” and those are the people I am willing to speak with whose consciences might not be slashed to the point of no return. The rest of you knowing darn well what you’re doing and advocating with no shame, I’m sure there’s a nice cozy spot for you and your buddies in that hell that you don’t believe exists.
This does make for interesting reading. I somewhat enjoy seeing the pro-murder’s attempt at logic. They’re quite the characters.
when did i ever say “it is your fault you were violated, you dirty, filthy skank!”?!
blaming the victim? no, i think not. refusing to be victimized by my attacker, and then a second time by some vague societal construct of some sort of stigma being attatched to a woman who is harmed in such a way is what i am advocating, and the longer women like you say it is ok to be a victim, just suck it up, keep your mouth shut, and get an abortion, the longer this stigma will persist. gay rights activists have been making progress because they stopped listening to the line of crap being fed to them that they were in the wrong, and the sooner women like you stop capitulating to this nonsense, the sooner women can freely seek and obtain justice.
Posted by: xalisae at October 6, 2008 6:44 PM
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What orifice did you pull the dirty filthy skank bit from? You have absolutely no business telling an abuse victim what to do or how to feel. That is what an abuser does. Ignoring the feelings and wishes of the victim is abusive. The concept of legaly mandating that a victim report their assault is insane. What are you going to do? Throw the victim in jail for not reporting? That is blatantly blaming and punishing the victim.
I’m at a complete loss as to how you equate an abuse victim to a gay person. I fail to find a paralel.
Sally,
You’re only digging yourself in deeper. Medical transcriptionists transcribe doctor dictations, i.e. history and physicals, surgical procedures, and put this into the patient record. Medical records personnel tend to the proper storage, maintenance, and protection of patient records after the patient has been discharged or expired.
Sally, your “friend” is guilty of gross violations of patient confidentiality and could face job termination as well as legal prosecution for discussing anything with you concerning a patient, as apparently she has.
Posted by: Mary at October 6, 2008 7:12 PM
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Transcription is part of the medical records department at UNM Mary. There isn’t a seperate department for transcribing and my friend has violated no laws. You are wrong and haven’t the grace or dignity to admit it.
Sally,
There’s nothing about it on the PPNewMex site.
The myspace postings are not official emails from PP. No letterhead. Nothing to make it look authentic. Google it and you only come up with two entries. Surely your friends in New Mex. could authenticate the story for you if you cared enough to try and if it were real, Google would find something by now
Posted by: Janet at October 6, 2008 5:29 PM
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I would be happy to forward the actual email with the PP letterhead and return email address to ppnewmex.org. I could forward it to Carla and she could forward it to you if you like.
Sally,
Tanscriptionists and medical records people may work together and iterchangably.
Fact remains Sally your “friend” is in gross violation of patient confidentiality when she discusses patients with you.
Sally 5:08PM
So when we say victims of car theft or breaking and entering should report the crimes, we’re blaming the victims?
Posted by: Mary at October 6, 2008 5:31 PM
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When you assert that not reporting the crime is the cause of the crime you are blaming the victim.
let me break this down for you, since you’re having trouble. I guess depravity atrophies the brain.
the first bit was an example of me “blaming the victim”. what i actually did was a far cry from that. what orafice did i pull this from? the scummy sewer drain of your imagination, where you seem to be fond of conjuring caricatures of pro-lifers grotesque and false.
advising and encouraging a victim of a crime to seek the aid of law enforcement officials is what EVERYONE should be doing. playing up the stigma and condoning free reign being given to the perpetrators of these horrible crimes is DEPLORABLE and INEXCUSABLE.
I am not ignoring the feelings and wishes of the victim. Do you think that a victim coming to law enforcement, getting the proper medical treatment (physical AND EMOTIONAL) would do harm to a victim? Can you honestly tell me with a straight face that the best thing for all parties involved in such a situation is to a.) let the perp go free to strike again, b.) leave the woman alone and in pain to endure this trauma by herself, or c.) sove her through the doors of a PP to be treated like the girl who i posted a link to earlier was (or worse, via the emotional and physical trauma of abortion)?
You.Are.Sick.
well, we all know how famous the proaborts are for making up cases, scenarios and stories about rapes, women being battered and in need of abortions and so forth.
I’m betting there is nothing to this story. What we need is a link to an independent verifying source such as a newspaper.
Betcha there just isn’t one.
What a way to deflect the discussion on these videos!
i am not saying nor have ever said that the victim’s actions caused a crime. a sick sob is going to do crap like that regardless. i am saying that actions taken on the part of someone whoHAS ALREADY BEEN HARMED can help prevent future crimes. is that factually incorrect? will a captured perp continue to victimize OTHER women FROM PRISON?
Sally,
Tanscriptionists and medical records people may work together and iterchangably.
Fact remains Sally your “friend” is in gross violation of patient confidentiality when she discusses patients with you.
Posted by: Mary at October 6, 2008 7:50 PM
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Name the violation Mary. I’m very familiar with HIPPA laws as is my friend. She hasn’t even disclosed the woman’s name.
At UNM transcribing is part of the medical records job description. Everyone in the department does the work assigned to that department which includes transcribing. No one does nothing but transcribing. There are no duties to interchange. You were wrong and still cannot admit it.
i am not saying nor have ever said that the victim’s actions caused a crime. a sick sob is going to do crap like that regardless. i am saying that actions taken on the part of someone whoHAS ALREADY BEEN HARMED can help prevent future crimes. is that factually incorrect? will a captured perp continue to victimize OTHER women FROM PRISON?
Posted by: xalisae at October 6, 2008 8:17 PM
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Yes, if the criminal is actually caught and convicted of course. Nevertheless, it really is up to the victim to decide what they are comfortable doing about their assault. It isn’t for you or I to decide for them.
let me break this down for you, since you’re having trouble. I guess depravity atrophies the brain.
the first bit was an example of me “blaming the victim”. what i actually did was a far cry from that. what orafice did i pull this from? the scummy sewer drain of your imagination, where you seem to be fond of conjuring caricatures of pro-lifers grotesque and false.
advising and encouraging a victim of a crime to seek the aid of law enforcement officials is what EVERYONE should be doing. playing up the stigma and condoning free reign being given to the perpetrators of these horrible crimes is DEPLORABLE and INEXCUSABLE.
I am not ignoring the feelings and wishes of the victim. Do you think that a victim coming to law enforcement, getting the proper medical treatment (physical AND EMOTIONAL) would do harm to a victim? Can you honestly tell me with a straight face that the best thing for all parties involved in such a situation is to a.) let the perp go free to strike again, b.) leave the woman alone and in pain to endure this trauma by herself, or c.) sove her through the doors of a PP to be treated like the girl who i posted a link to earlier was (or worse, via the emotional and physical trauma of abortion)?
You.Are.Sick.
Posted by: xalisae at October 6, 2008 8:05 PM
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You clearly have anger issues as well as absolutely no understanding of trauma or the legal system. Having to relive the assault over and over to the satisfaction of legal authorities can be more than a victim can emotionally and mentally handle. Yet you would mandate such. How considerate of you.
The concept that choosing to have an abortion is comparable to being assaulted is nuts. Abusers don’t give victims choices. They don’t allow the victim power over their own bodies. And that is what you wish to force upon women. Loss of control over their bodies. No choice.
I think you are sick and grotesquely twisted.
Jeesh!
The NOW LA pres. introduced Palin…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJxIYQKmM0M
well, we all know how famous the proaborts are for making up cases, scenarios and stories about rapes, women being battered and in need of abortions and so forth.
I’m betting there is nothing to this story. What we need is a link to an independent verifying source such as a newspaper.
Betcha there just isn’t one.
What a way to deflect the discussion on these videos!
Posted by: Patricia at October 6, 2008 8:13 PM
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Sure. Let’s talk about a couple of liars going to a PP and what would have happened if their claims of sex with older men had been taken seriously without a shred of evidence. Would they be in a girls home for the wayward for making false accusations? Would their parents have been subjugated to criminal investigation for absolutely no reason?
This stunt was totally irresponsible and completely foolish. All that was proven is that PP doesn’t file bogus statatory rape reports.
Sally 8:21PM
Look at your 7:00PM post. Your friend especially better update herself on HIPAA laws.
Working in medical records involves the proper filing, storing and protection of medical records, making sure they are updated, and retrieving records as needed.
Transcriptionists take doctor dictation.
Most important, it involves strict standards of confidentiality which your friend obviously knows nothing about.
I would be happy to forward the actual email with the PP letterhead and return email address to ppnewmex.org. I could forward it to Carla and she could forward it to you if you like.
Posted by: Sally at October 6, 2008 7:49 PM
You are not making any sense. I’m not interested in what you have. If you have some type of proof, discuss it with Jill.
Look at your 7:00PM post. Your friend especially better update herself on HIPAA laws.
Working in medical records involves the proper filing, storing and protection of medical records, making sure they are updated, and retrieving records as needed.
Transcriptionists take doctor dictation.
Most important, it involves strict standards of confidentiality which your friend obviously knows nothing about.
Posted by: Mary at October 6, 2008 9:15 PM
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My friend does work in medical records and does have personal involvement with the creation as well as handling of those records. Your denial of this fact is ridiculous. Her verification that an assaulted woman was transported from the PP address to UNM on Sept 29 and is in serious condition violates absolutely nothing. Why are you having such a difficult time with obvious facts?
Name the violation Mary. I’m very familiar with HIPPA laws as is my friend. She hasn’t even disclosed the woman’s name.
At UNM transcribing is part of the medical records job description. Everyone in the department does the work assigned to that department which includes transcribing. No one does nothing but transcribing. There are no duties to interchange. You were wrong and still cannot admit it.
Posted by: Sally at October 6, 2008 8:21 PM
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I don’t know how familiar you can be with them, considering it isn’t HIPPA, it’s HIPAA…. Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act.
And as a registered nurse, Sally, I assure you, that if your friend has given you the amount of detail you claim to have here, she has violated the HIPAA laws. These laws are very strict and violating them gets you fired.
Sally,
Please continue on your journey toward health and healing from your experiences with domestic violence. You are angry and bitter and your contempt rings out loud and clear. If you really want to help others who are victimized by violence please work through your past.(It is part of my story as well.)
A very good friend of mine was horribly abused throughout her marriage. Her husband stalked her and tried to kill her quite a few times after she left him. She went through years of counseling and is now a victims advocate. Meeting women in the hospital after a rape, seeking safe places for women and children and devoting her life to helping others in need.
You are needed!!! Please find the peace that you seek so you can move on.
This stunt was totally irresponsible and completely foolish. All that was proven is that PP doesn’t file bogus statatory rape reports.
Posted by: Sally at October 6, 2008 9:06 PM
NO. What it proves is that PP does not report any suspicion of statutory rape. Why? Because abortion is a woman’s right regardless of her circumstances – even if it means she will be sent back to her abuser.
That they kill babies is bad enough but this also proves they don’t even respect the already born women (something they claim prolifers exhibit) whom they send back to be abused again and again.
This stunt was totally irresponsible and completely foolish. All that was proven is that PP doesn’t file bogus statatory rape reports.
Posted by: Sally at October 6, 2008 9:06 PM
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If you read the text, these were college aged girls who looked young who were doing this… as they were actually adults they would not have ended up in a home for wayward girls (sheesh, talk about someone missing the point)….
PP had a legal duty to report. It is not PP’s job (as it is not mine as a nurse) to determine what is bogus, what is real, what the truth is… it is their duty to report. It is the job of the police and social services to determine the validity of any claims. It makes no difference to PP’s legal duty whether the claims are true or not.
Legal duty to report. They should be in jail now.
Legal duty to report. They should be in jail now.
Posted by: Elisabeth at October 7, 2008 9:19 AM
yah, right! Like that’s gonna happen. They can pitch new born babies in a dumpster on the street and nothing would happen….
i think sally just has something against women and girls seeking and obtaining the kind of help they need after being abused.
Elisabeth 10:18PM
Thank you for the support. Rules at our hospital are so rigid that even the patient sites we visit on the computer are closely monitored. If your visit to a patient’s chart or info isn’t justified, you are immediately terminated. One of our housekeepers was terminated on the spot for discussing her sister-in-law’s surgery with another family member on the phone.
I am all for these rules. I certainly want my confidentiality this fiercely protected. In the past people, myself included, have talked way too freely. With this sword over our heads, we are much more careful, as we should have always been anyway.
this once again boils down to doing what is right rather than what is easy.
birthing your child live rather than killing it.
turning to the authorities and being open about your trauma rather than hiding it.
being diligent to protect patient confidentiality rather than letting things slip in pleasant discourse.
the fact that doing what is right has now taken a backseat to what is easy is highly upsetting. the fact that those who fight for what is right over what is easy are demonized is equally troubling.
oh, and let’s not forget the original topic:
protecting children, helping them gather evidence and contact authorities to help stop their abuse
rather than
just pushing them through your system and making sure their attacker doesn’t get them pregnant so the abuse can continue.
Hi X,
Sally has experienced quite a bit. As you can probably tell she usually hammers domestic violence when she comes on here. Oh, and how stupid we all are!! Right, Sally? :P
x @ 10:36,
oh, and let’s not forget the original topic:
protecting children, helping them gather evidence and contact authorities to help stop their abuse
rather than
just pushing them through your system and making sure their attacker doesn’t get them pregnant so the abuse can continue.
Amen.
Sally,
Since PP (any PP for that matter) has a lot of security cameras covering ALL the angles of their precious abortuary from getting “attacked” by “violent wacko extremists”…
Why don’t they release a video of the incident in question and prove that what they claim REALLY happned, not just in their imagination?
Or will they give the same lame excuse as “it wasn’t turned on” when somebody attacked a praying pro-lifer?
Why are Sally and others allowed to come here and change the subject day in and day out?
And why do we take the bait?
I have a friend posted as one of your still shots and in the video. I can tell you she is only out to help and would always do the right thing.They are there to help young girls who clearly have no support or guidance at home, because if they did they wouldn’t need Planned Parenthoods.
We aren’t talking about young girls who have no support or guidance at home. We are talking about 2 college adult women taken for young girls who have been raped and that was not reported to the proper authorities.
I am sure your friend “thinks” she is doing the right thing.
Rita, 3:22PM
Come on. You were never young and scared? Someone is offering you what looks like an easy out and you won’t take it? This “if they could go to their parents” is a crock.
Its also a great set up for child predators.
Apparently your friend didn’t do the right thing since this incident was not reported to the proper authorities. I wonder how many young girls she has sent back home to predators, “protected” by birth control pills.
Not sure where you’re getting your facts from…but the “fake” address that the SFLA “patient” in Winston-Salem used actually belonged to a real family. The Winston-Salem clinic DID report the situation to the authorities. The police DID show up at their front door, stated why they were there, and caused this poor family a few moments of complete anger and confusion. (They just so happen to have a young teenage daughter!) Maybe next time the SFLA women who pose as young girls will have enough common sense to check the “fake” address they are giving out in order to prevent an innocent family from almost having a heart attack! Please get your facts straight, Jill.
We aren’t talking about young girls who have no support or guidance at home. We are talking about 2 college adult women taken for young girls who have been raped and that was not reported to the proper authorities.
I am sure your friend “thinks” she is doing the right thing.
Posted by: Carla at October 7, 2008 3:41 PM
Carla,
I wonder if the girls who work at places like PP have been in the same situation themselves – hence their “false” compassion.
Maybe there should be a support group for ex-abortion clinic workers. Do you know of any?
Hi PJMama,
These are excellent questions! I hope you don’t mind my posting it from your blog.
CONSIDERING ABORTION? QUESTIONS TO ASK YOURSELF…
Have I explored all of the FACTS before making this life and death decision? Or am I considering having an abortion based on fear, despair, and defeatism? Do I have the courage to know the facts?
Have I made a REAL effort to find resources that could help with the difficult challenges of carrying an unplanned baby to birth?
Why does the father’s apparent disinterest or hostility toward me and my baby matter to me regarding my decisions about my unborn child Isn’t he probably just as “in shock” as I am? Doesn’t he deserve a chance to rise to this challenge, too? Do fathers also regret the abortions of their children later in life?
Does part of my worth as a human being hinge on how I react to my personal responsibilities? Will I feel better about myself or worse about myself after an abortion? How would I feel about myself if I allowed my baby to be born?
What is an unborn child? Is it morally right to end any other human being’s life in order to make my life easier? Is my “right to choose” more fundamental than another human being’s right to continue to LIVE?
What makes me think that my life will go on just as before if I have an abortion? Aren’t there future emotional repercussions that I may not be considering fully?
Am I making my decision based on my governing morals and principles, or am I giving in to societal and familial pressures and judgments about what it means to be an “independent and modern woman”?
Why do I fear the future? Haven’t I always come through just fine and stronger as a result of my past challenges?
Am I under the impression that having an abortion will save my relationship or that it will make my life perfect from then on? Am I feeling pressure from other individuals to have an abortion to make THEIR lives easier?
What do I hope to get out of life? Am I looking for a perfectly easy life, or a life that helps me to grow and learn about myself?
Link to the above:
http://prolifepajamamama.blogspot.com/
Janet,
Thanks for the vote of confidence by pasting those questions from my blog here…I wasn’t expecting that!
It took me quite a while to compose those questions and they are very near and dear to me. They summarize my experience as a post-abortive mother, after almost two decades of experience and reflection. I decided to put my experiences in that format hoping that they would lead at least one pregnant mother to delve a little deeper before making a decision to abort her child.
Thanks again for the unexpected boost…in today’s political and financial chaos, it was the nicest thing that happened to me today.
PJMama a.k.a. Michelle
PJMama,
You are welcome! :)
PJMama: I like you post but I have to say in all honesty that I am willing to bet that most people just don’t think this deep or this long. In the end, it is all about themselves and what makes it easiest for them.
What we in the prolife movement are asking people to do is sacrificial and this is very counter-cultural today. It’s all about me!
Patricia,
I see your point. But, if one person shows she cares enough to give those questions to a woman considering abortion it is worth the trouble. If she decides to NOT have the abortion, wonderful!
Hi Janet,
Just found Society of Centurions. :)
http://realchoice.0catch.com/library/weekly/aa020701a.htm
RSD 2:20PM
An excellent point. Were there security cameras?
These might also provide valuable info to police as to where and by who this woman was attacked, as well as prove or disprove PP’s claims.
Too bad those questions can’t be asked during a counseling session. It’d probably result in a reduction in abortions. Of course, PP would never ask these questions, because even if abortion is “only 3%” of their “services”, they still make a LOT of $$$$ from it.
Liz @ 10:40,
Too bad those questions can’t be asked during a counseling session. It’d probably result in a reduction in abortions. Of course, PP would never ask these questions, because even if abortion is “only 3%” of their “services”, they still make a LOT of $$$$ from it.
They should. I think PJMama’s list of questions would be perfect discussion points in sex-ed classes and home-schooling settings.
Carla @ 9:33,
Hi Janet, Just found Society of Centurions. :)
http://realchoice.0catch.com/library/weekly/aa020701a.htm
Thank you Carla! Have you had any dealings with this group?
I found background and contact information including an email address for The Society of Centurions of America on the Priests for Life website. The society helps ex-abortion workers who are looking for healing What a wonderful ministry!
http://www.priestsforlife.org/columns/column98-8-31centurions.htm
**Contact the Society of Centurions of America at PO Box 75368, St. Paul, MN 55175, Phone 651-771-1500, Fax 651-771-6967; centurions@plam.org
This stunt was totally irresponsible and completely foolish. All that was proven is that PP doesn’t file bogus statatory rape reports.
Posted by: Sally at October 6, 2008 9:06 PM
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If you read the text, these were college aged girls who looked young who were doing this… as they were actually adults they would not have ended up in a home for wayward girls (sheesh, talk about someone missing the point)….
PP had a legal duty to report. It is not PP’s job (as it is not mine as a nurse) to determine what is bogus, what is real, what the truth is… it is their duty to report. It is the job of the police and social services to determine the validity of any claims. It makes no difference to PP’s legal duty whether the claims are true or not.
Legal duty to report. They should be in jail now.
Posted by: Elisabeth at October 7, 2008 9:19 AM
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Report what? Someone said something? You’re a nurse? You aren’t qualified to report anything concerning abuse. If you were a nurse you would know this.
Dimwit. The girls attempted to make false charges against pretend people. Crying wolf to authorities is a crime. They should be in jail.
If you were a nurse you would be pissed at sillyheads wasting the time of professionals.
Grow up.
This stunt was totally irresponsible and completely foolish. All that was proven is that PP doesn’t file bogus statatory rape reports.
Posted by: Sally at October 6, 2008 9:06 PM
NO. What it proves is that PP does not report any suspicion of statutory rape. Why? Because abortion is a woman’s right regardless of her circumstances – even if it means she will be sent back to her abuser.
That they kill babies is bad enough but this also proves they don’t even respect the already born women (something they claim prolifers exhibit) whom they send back to be abused again and again.
Posted by: Patricia at October 7, 2008 9:09 AM
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Suspicion is not reportable Patty. Get a grip.
I don’t know how familiar you can be with them, considering it isn’t HIPPA, it’s HIPAA…. Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act.
And as a registered nurse, Sally, I assure you, that if your friend has given you the amount of detail you claim to have here, she has violated the HIPAA laws. These laws are very strict and violating them gets you fired.
Posted by: Elisabeth at October 6, 2008 10:18 PM
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Name the law she has violated. You can’t. She hasn’t. When was the last time you were employed as a nurse? Around the same time Jill was employed part time? The job she got fired from for violating patient confidentiality before the HIPPO laws? And yes, that’s a joke in the med field these days. You are out of the loop Elisabeth.
i think sally just has something against women and girls seeking and obtaining the kind of help they need after being abused.
Posted by: xalisae at October 7, 2008 9:46 AM
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I think you are a little girl that likes Disney a whole lot. Real life scares you to pieces.
Sally,
Since PP (any PP for that matter) has a lot of security cameras covering ALL the angles of their precious abortuary from getting “attacked” by “violent wacko extremists”…
Why don’t they release a video of the incident in question and prove that what they claim REALLY happned, not just in their imagination?
Or will they give the same lame excuse as “it wasn’t turned on” when somebody attacked a praying pro-lifer?
Posted by: RSD at October 7, 2008 2:20 PM
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Your mistake is stating that every PP has video cameras. Why would that be necessary? You don’t make any kind of sense.
Get off you soap box Mary, you have no clue what your talking about. It was reported and you would see that if you got your head out off your butt.
Rita,
Grow up. Only one was reported. Two clinics were visited.
You have no clue, no facts, again talking out of your butt. Check your facts before you get on your soap box.
Rita,
Again, grow up. So, both clinics reported, is that what you’re saying?
Christine,
Do you have any police reports or any kind of documentation concerning the police receiving a report and visiting the wrong home?
You got it. The elevator has reached the top. Thank God.Now get off your soap box!!!!
Rita,
Christine only mentioned one clinic. Do you have any sources verifying that BOTH clinics reported?
Contact the clinic that you think didn’t report. They have documentation stating they did.
Rita,
On what do you base your claim both clinics reported?
since you claim both clinics reported, then there must be police reports. Can you produce a copy or quote a police official? I’m sure the clinic would be happy to release a copy of the report, especially if you have a friend who works at one of them.
Do you know if the clinics plan any legal action against the students? How about the family that is alleged to have received an unwanted visit? Any direct quotes from them?
Mary, you have no understanding of the politics of getting police reports. Despite the fact that they’re public record, many departments are loath to release them. As such, a FOIA must often be filed. You have to state the reason you want the information: sorry, but “I wanna post it on a blog!!11” just doesn’t cut it.
Mary, you seem to have all the info already. I would have thought you had all the reports in your hand as you were climbing on your soap box. Have all the back up before you start running your mouth. PLEASE
HA and Rita,
I’m simply asking for the sources of Christine and Rita’s claims. These can be police reports, police quotes, copies of the filed complaint, the newspaper, news broadcasts, statements by the family the police mistakenly visited, etc.
Rita you’re making the claim both PPs reported, so back it up.
It has been backed up to the people that matter, not some wacked out blogger. Now carry on!!
Christine, 10/7, 5:42p, wrote: “Not sure where you’re getting your facts from…but the “fake” address that the SFLA “patient” in Winston-Salem used actually belonged to a real family. The Winston-Salem clinic DID report the situation to the authorities. The police DID show up at their front door, stated why they were there, and caused this poor family a few moments of complete anger and confusion. (They just so happen to have a young teenage daughter!) Maybe next time the SFLA women who pose as young girls will have enough common sense to check the “fake” address they are giving out in order to prevent an innocent family from almost having a heart attack! Please get your facts straight, Jill.”
I check with SFLA and got this response:
The girls did make up fake addresses to use.
At the Charlotte clinic, they did not ask for her address; they asked for all other id info, which she gave (and they were required to still report this info).
In Winston-Salem, they did ask for a full address, which was given. Our girl used the following fake address: 5002 Stanley Court, 27101 (Winston-Salem). This information was reported, but clearly not investigated.
Here are two credible databases of all US addresses, USPS and the National Address Server. A quick search for this address in both shows that the address is rejected, as it is indeed fake.
http://zip4.usps.com/zip4/zcl_0_results.jsp
http://www.cedar.buffalo.edu/cgi-bin/nasciic
Our office manager Lucy just called the city of Winston-Salem to confirm this information; she spoke with Linnie, in the Department of City Link. He confirmed that the address does not exist in their records at all.
The woman who posted that information completely made that story up to make us look really bad. Please feel free to call her out on it publicly with this information.
Also, even if the address had existed and the police had visited the address, they would have asked for and/or about a young woman with a specific name living at the address, and the family would have had absolutely no reason to panic, as the name would have been unfamiliar to them.
But alas, such a scenario was never possible, because we did have enough “common sense” to use fake addresses and did not risk an innocent family getting caught up in this project.
Thanks for passing this along, so we could set the record straight for this woman! I guess they’ll say anything…
Rita,
Obviously you have no sources. Thank you for clarifying that.
Jill,
Thank you. I thought this story sounded a little too canned. It seemed quite a coincidence this family at the fake address which turned out to be real would just happen to have a minor daughter.
Mary. Did you not read what I said? She can’t get police reports, and frankly, it’s not going to be reported in the paper. If newspapers report anything about PP at all, people like you flip the hell out and yell at us for weeks. The police won’t talk to just anyone, and neither will PP. You have to contact the public information office, and unless you can identify who you’re working with/for, they won’t connect you.
Seriously, get informed or stop posting.
HA,
Did you not read what I said? I also mentioned newspapers, TV news, a quote from a police officer, a copy of a PP report(which you think they would be most anxious to produce), a complaint from the family the police are alledged to have visited.
What exactly is the source of this claim?
Name the law she has violated. You can’t. She hasn’t. When was the last time you were employed as a nurse? Around the same time Jill was employed part time? The job she got fired from for violating patient confidentiality before the HIPPO laws? And yes, that’s a joke in the med field these days. You are out of the loop Elisabeth.
Posted by: Sally at October 8, 2008 12:39 AM
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The law your friend broke is called HIPAA. Not HIPPA. Not HIPPO. I don’t have to name “the law she broke” because that is the law she broke… HIPAA.
And I am a currently practicing pediatric RN who has to take HIPAA training, as does every other nurse in my state, on an annual basis.
Most certainly not out of the loop… just got off shift at 3am this morning.
Mary, and either do you. We have know that from the beginning :)I am glad other people can see that too.
Rita,
I have no clue what you’re rambling about. Also, sources please. I’m still waiting.
Mary, seriously, do you really think I would give you the information that I do have. Who are you?? What are you?? Just a crazy blogger. You are a nobody that thinks she knows what she is talking about and has ALL this proof and you have nothing. Why would anybody with any information give it out on here. The truth will come out, and the appropraite people will be arrested. What those people did was against the law. You can’t fake rape, and thats what they did. And BOTH clinics reported it, just because they didnt let you know about it, dosnt’ mean it wasnt done. Get a grip!!!
Rita, 7:32am
LOL. Whatever.
Why are Sally and others allowed to come here and change the subject day in and day out?
And why do we take the bait?
Posted by: PJMama at October 7, 2008 2:44 PM
Because Mk values pro aborts posters more then pro life posters. She would leave this site if there was no pro abortion posters here.
So does Jill. Having a PTSD anti-Catholic troll named Sally post here, is another exceptable poster at this so called pro life site. Insert the word “Jew” for “Catholic” in the accepted anti-Catholic bigot’s post, and one wonders if Mk or Stanek would tolerate such bigotry being posted at her site.
They take the bait because Jill doesn’t really moderate this site and improve the intellectual quality of this site.
Fact is, when one goes off subject, or continues to degrade a article written by Stanek, i.e. attack the facts as false, which is actually accusing Stanek of being a liar and a lying propagandist for pro life, the post should be deleted to assure a intellectual discussion of the article by Stanek.
What would that do for this site?
Drive away lying propagandist for the killing of human beings via abortion, which means Mk would leave this site.
So for the intellectual entertainment of Mk, and many other moderators, one must accept dogmatic propagandist for abortion, which includes the personal acceptance by Jill of the typical slurs and slanders of Catholics by a PTSD, named Sally.
There is your answer PJmama.
Here’s the Winston-Salem police report you have all wanted to see… http://www.wspdp2c.org/p2c/viewreport.aspx?id=633591863407573776
It was actually quite easy to find on the Winston Salem Police Dept website. This is the police report that was made on 6/13/08 due to a call from Planned Parenthood in Winston-Salem b/c of the SFLA women. I have no info on the Charlotte PP clinic (nor would I ever dream of just making something up). I just happen to know about the Winston-Salem issue and felt compelled to set the record straight.
Jill, you said “this information was reported, but clearly not investigated”. So, I take it you now dislike the police dept. as they are the ones who are supposed to “investigate” from that point forward.
You’ll see at the top of the police report that the report contains “restricted names”. Therefore, there is no way to give you “proof” of the family they did actually end up visiting. But I’m ok with that b/c that’s not what this is really all about anyway.
Bottom line: It’s about whether or not PP did what they are required to do by law.
Whether you all want to speculate the validity of my story or not is up to you. The police report at least proves one thing- Planned Parenthood did exactly what they are supposed to do in a situation such as this. As for your personal opinions on Planned Parenthood…I could care less.
I just tested the link and it didn’t take me directly to the report so here’s how to get there (I was hoping to save you all time from the following steps).
Go to the City of Winston-Salem website (cityofws.org). Click onto “Police-To-Citizen” in the box under “Citizen Service Desk” near the bottom. This takes you to the WS Police Dept website.
Then click onto “Police-To-Citizen” on the left.
Then click again on “Police-to-Citizen (P2C) web site”
Click on “Search for Incidents” (make sure your pop up blocker is turned off first!)
The date range should be from 6/13/08 to 6/13/08
The street # is 3000.
The street is Maplewood.
Choose Winston-Salem.
Click onto search.
Click onto the pic of paper under “details”.
That’s it.
Christine,
You obtained a police report that easily? Talk to Human Abstract about that. HA seems to think it takes an act of Congress to get one.
I went to your link and found NO REPORT FOUND.
How did you happen to know about the WS incident, was it in the newspaper?
If there’s no proof of a family being visited, how can you say with certainty that one was? I disagree “that’s not what this is all about anyway”. If you made this claim, then please tell us your source. All police calls have reports, so if the police did indeed call on this family, there would be a report, even if it was a false alarm. BTW, I know this because my brother was a police officer in a major city.
One PP is alleged to have done what it is supposed to, though I have seen no evidence of that. What about the Charlotte PP? Perhaps you could find their police website as well and let us know.
Mary,
We posted at the same time. Refer to my 2nd post tonight for instructions on getting the report.
Christine,
I’m still trying to find my pop-up blocker so I will take your word for it a report was filed and is on record.
Would you kindly address the other issues I raised in my post. Thank you.
Oops! I forgot to add my name in the last 2 posts!
Mary,
I’m sorry you disagree with “that’s not what this is all about anyway”. But it’s pretty clear that what is important here is whether or not the headline at the top of this page (“Students for Life catches 2 Planned Parenthoods covering up statutory rape”) is true or false. Emotions and opinions are a separate topic altogether. We could go back and forth all night about issues concerning abortion. But I don’t care to.
So, the question is: Did the 2 PP clinics do what is required of them in a situation such as this or did they both condone statutory rape? Maybe it should say “Students for Life catches 1 Planned Parenthood covering up statutory rape
If someone is going to report a story with an accusation as serious as this then they should be held accountable when they are wrong. If one clinic did something wrong that doesn’t mean that it’s ok to say another one did as well. That is called lying. Nobody likes a liar, Mary.
Read the headline.
Read the police report.
You tell me if that headline is justified.
As for more information on my sources…maybe you should call your brother in that major city…doesn’t he have connections??? He was a police officer, right? Maybe he could find out more about Charlotte for you.
Christine,
Another reason I would question if a family truly was visited is that police certainly can determine quickly and easily if an address is real or bogus. Since Jill could find proof it was bogus, certainly the police can as well.
Calls to bogus addresses can very well be ambushes and in the days before more sophisticated technology, I remember hearing reports of officers being killed responding to such calls. Police can now take this precaution. They could also easily match the name in the report to an address as well and if they are both bogus, probably won’t check it out. How can they?
Christine,
You are the one who made the claim a family was visited. I’m only asking you for the source and giving you some facts on police procedures.
Since you were so proficient at getting the report from Winston-Salem, I was curious as to whether or not you could also get one from Charlotte.
Its most likely the police immediately determined this was bogus and sidelined it. They can hardly call on non-existent addresses.
I’ve never argued emotions and opinions, only asked for sources and questioned if certain incidents even did occur, and obviously for good reason.
Yes, maybe the headline should read that students caught one PP covering statutory rape, unless proof is otherwise presented that the Charlotte PP did report.
And maybe you shouldn’t say a family was visited by police without first verifying your facts as well. Isn’t that also called lying?
Just b/c I’m not at liberty to give out my sources to you (as I am trustworthy) doesn’t mean I am lying. But if that is what you would like to believe…well, I’m pretty sure I can live with that.
Now I wonder if anyone will publicly admit that they were wrong for their accusations against the Winston-Salem Planned Parenthood…hmmm, somehow I don’t see that happening. Though it would be the ethical thing to do…
I’m not asking you to name names. I don’t believe you deliberately lied, I believe you may have been misinformed. Knowing what I do about police procedure, after years of listening to my brother complain incessently about all his paperwork, and with the computer technology police now have, I have to come to a different conclusion concerning the alleged family visit.
Because Mk values posters… She would leave this site if there were no posters here…..
So does Jill.
yllas, out-and-out wackos like you are allowed here. Example – it’s like pulling teeth to get you to call Jill by her first name (although for once you did manage it in a post on this thread) – your bitter and hateful agenda is clear to pro-choicers and pro-lifers alike.
Frankly, while many pro-lifers are reluctant to criticize anybody who at least gives the appearance of being “on their side,” it’s still no secret that you’re more of a liability in the debate for the pro-life side than are pro-choicers (they’re already acknowledged as “the other side,” while you make the pro-life side ridiculous), and there is a balance to be drawn, and Jill, MK, and almost everybody else sees that.
Were you a pro-lifer who really believed, and acted accordingly, that would be one thing. But it’s much more just a vehicle for you to express your own hatred (really, self-hatred at the core) via your drippingly acidic posts. You can do a lot better, and yet you presume to criticize Jill and the moderators and many other posters, etc. Silly.
For the press release from PP regarding this story just copy and paste the following:
http://www.pphsinc.org/newsroom/index.html
Click on the first press release (dated 10/7/08)
It includes the fact that the police did visit an innocent family due to all of this(though it was due to the fake LAST NAME given by the fake pt…NOT the fake address…my mistake). Either way, further proof that the serious allegations made here on this website, as well as others like it, were completely inaccurate.
That’s a biased source. That’s not a real police report.
Liz,
Good point. Where is there an official report or statement by the police? If they did indeed visit the family, there would be a report. Is there any quote from the family?
Also, if Jill did indeed show this to be a false address, how would the police have any idea where to visit this family? Were they the only people in the city who happened to have the surname that had been falsely given by the students?
Liz, this really reminds me of an incident that happened many years ago in my state. A fanatical atheist and PC woman wailed hysterically to the press and anyone who would listen about a woman who was alleged to have died in her apt. after an illegal abortion. She was told of this account by the woman’s brother, who she had never before met.
Reporters talked to the district attorney of the city, which was in another state, and neither he or his staff had any knowledge of this alleged incident. He consulted the coroner, who also had no knowledge of this woman and was quite irate that his office had not been notified. He in turn checked with the local funeral homes. None had handled the burial of this alleged victim. No police, rescue squads, or hospitals had a record of her.
No surprise considering the “sister” did not exist. The “brother” had a long history of mental instability. An obviously annoyed DA advised the atheist PC woman that he would appreciate it if from now she would get her facts straight before sending people on a wild goose chase.
She snivelled in response that one does not question a person they don’t know when they tell you a family member died.
Lady, that’s exactly why you question it and look for an official source before you believe or say anything.
On October 9 at 10:07 PM, Christine said the following (to get the record of the police investigation):
Go to the City of Winston-Salem website (cityofws.org). Click onto “Police-To-Citizen” in the box under “Citizen Service Desk” near the bottom. This takes you to the WS Police Dept website.
Then click onto “Police-To-Citizen” on the left.
Then click again on “Police-to-Citizen (P2C) web site”
Click on “Search for Incidents” (make sure your pop up blocker is turned off first!)
The date range should be from 6/13/08 to 6/13/08
The street # is 3000.
The street is Maplewood.
Choose Winston-Salem.
Click onto search.
Click onto the pic of paper under “details”.
That’s it.
On October 9 at 10:19 PM, Mary said, Christine, I’m still trying to find my pop-up blocker so I will take your word for it a report was filed and is on record.
I’ve followed Christine’s directions, but that incident search yielded, “No results were found matching this criteria.”
I tried again, specifying a search range of 2 miles (the maximum allowable). The incident search yielded exactly two results, both of them arrests, neither at the 3000 Maplewood address, and neither with any details provided.
Has the database changed? Did I do something wrong? Why can I not access the record of the investigation that Christine said she found?
Jon,
Thank you. I don’t like doing anything to my computer, even disabling a pop up blocker. I can mess the thing up just by looking at it.
Very interesting. I hope Christine can shed some light on this.
Try putting in the date range (6/13/08-6/13/08) and the case# (0831947)…and nothing else.
Yes, Christine, there is a report for 3000 Maplewood Avenue on June 13, 2008. It doesn’t say much. It doesn’t have to apply to the incident discussed here. But I’m guilty of accepting your premise, which is that the address (and date) you supplied is actually the address (and date) which the SFLA girl supplied, 5002 Stanley Court, an address which doesn’t exist.
Shame on me! If I had carefully read Jill Stanek’s earlier response to you, I would have realized the significance of the discrepancy. She responded quickly to your first or second comment on this thread. Whose word am I supposed to believe, yours (Planned Parenthood’s) or hers (SFLA’s)? I choose to believe hers.
Christine, 10/7, 5:42p, wrote: Not sure where you’re getting your facts from…but the “fake” address that the SFLA “patient” in Winston-Salem used actually belonged to a real family. The Winston-Salem clinic DID report the situation to the authorities. The police DID show up at their front door, stated why they were there, and caused this poor family a few moments of complete anger and confusion. (They just so happen to have a young teenage daughter!) Maybe next time the SFLA women who pose as young girls will have enough common sense to check the “fake” address they are giving out in order to prevent an innocent family from almost having a heart attack! Please get your facts straight, Jill.
Jill, 10/8, 11:25a, wrote: I check with SFLA and got this response:
The girls did make up fake addresses to use.
At the Charlotte clinic, they did not ask for her address; they asked for all other id info, which she gave (and they were required to still report this info).
In Winston-Salem, they did ask for a full address, which was given. Our girl used the following fake address: 5002 Stanley Court, 27101 (Winston-Salem). This information was reported, but clearly not investigated.
Here are two credible databases of all US addresses, USPS and the National Address Server. A quick search for this address in both shows that the address is rejected, as it is indeed fake.
http://zip4.usps.com/zip4/zcl_0_results.jsp
http://www.cedar.buffalo.edu/cgi-bin/nasciic
Our office manager Lucy just called the city of Winston-Salem to confirm this information; she spoke with Linnie, in the Department of City Link. He confirmed that the address does not exist in their records at all.
The woman who posted that information completely made that story up to make us look really bad. Please feel free to call her out on it publicly with this information.
Also, even if the address had existed and the police had visited the address, they would have asked for and/or about a young woman with a specific name living at the address, and the family would have had absolutely no reason to panic, as the name would have been unfamiliar to them.
But alas, such a scenario was never possible, because we did have enough “common sense” to use fake addresses and did not risk an innocent family getting caught up in this project.
Thanks for passing this along, so we could set the record straight for this woman! I guess they’ll say anything…
Hmm… something else I did not realize:
Planned Parenthood
3000 Maplewood Ave
Winston Salem, NC 27103-4002
3367682980
So that accounts for the “medical facility” “premise type” in the report.
And so Christine is not saying that this is the address that the SFLA girl gave. She is saying that whatever address the SFLA girl gave, Planned Parenthood did actually report it and the statutory rape to the police. The police would have then responded by going to Planned Parenthood to get the specifics.
Is it inconceivable that the Salem-Winston Planned Parenthood requested more than one investigation in June? That is, does this report necessarily have to pertain to our hypothetical case of statutory rape–or any case of statutory rape? What day did the SFLA girl go to the Planned Parenthood building in Winston-Salem? Or am I being unreasonable?
Students for Life of America now provides only the Charlotte video and report on their website. That the Winston-Salem video and report are not available would seem to be an admission on their part that the Winston-Salem Planned Parenthood did call the police as state law obligated them to do.
Jon,
Was there any report of a family being visited?
Was this just a story concocted by PP?
Mary asked, “Was there any report of a family being visited?”
Do you mean a police report?
The police report didn’t say much. And as I said, it doesn’t necessarily even have to refer to the SFLA incident. But probably it does, in my very uninformed opinion. I don’t have the report in front of me now, but there was a box checked for, “all leads exhausted” or something like that.
Jon,
Yes I would mean a police report. Police must log and report every call, even if its a false alarm. If the police did visit a family, there would be a police report. PP stated and Christine wrote that a family was visited. I’ve been curious as to the source of this claim. A newspaper account, a police spokesperson, a complaint by the family? So far I haven’t gotten any kind of answer.
All leads exhausted likely meant no name or address checked out and the police had no where to go from there. I seriously doubt any family was visited.