AuschWeitz
“AuschWeitz,” clever. That’s what pro-lifers have nicknamed the upscale Anschutz residential/store building project in a Denver suburb being constructed by Weitz Company.
You remember Weitz, the general contractor building Planned Parenthood’s 50,000 sq. ft. mega-abortion mill in Denver.
Pro-lifers warned Weitz in January to bail on the PP project or reap the consequences of management home and business picketing.
Weitz didn’t, so pro-lifers launched the Collaborators Project, which has proven so successful anti-1st Amendment lawmakers introduced legislation to limit home pickets that looks likely to pass.
Meanwhile, the pickets go on, no matter the attempts to stifle. Now, the Anschutz project has covered Weitz’s name, not good for PR:
And the pickets have borne fruit. Will Duffy, head of the Collaborators Project, reported in an email update that pro-lifers in Portland, OR, have joined up to stop a PP mill from being built in the middle of a black neighborhood. And Precious Children of Portland just announced Walsh Construction has pulled from that project as general contractor. Good for Walsh.
Meanwhile, back in CO, Will reported that the 2nd security firm PP hired quit after only 4 days on the job, thanks to a home picket.
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
Oh yes – extortion is such a commendable tactic
Yes, the “Collaberator’s Project” is such a success that the PP building is at least 2 months AHEAD of schedule. Great work, Will. maybe you can help accelerate the Portland project as well.
Standing around with your mutilated fetus poster does chage the world!
It shouldn’t make a difference wether or not it’s a black neighborhood. I mean, like I said an abortion is an abortion. I don’t think abortion targets African Americans any more then it targets anyone else. By saying it is more likely to target African Americans you are implying that they are somehow less intelligent or humane and therefore are likely to abort. It is probably due to the fact that African Americans are more likely to live in an urban area and because it’s an urban area businesses are more likely to build there.
I’m not saying you shouldn’t protest that clinic but I think it’s wrong to assume PP goes out of its way to try and hurt African Americans.
Ok, Jess, PP is an equal opportunity fetal destroyer!
Planned Parenthood clinics are in poor neighborhoods so poor women can have access to health care. Ive said this before but I’ll say it again. 37% of the women who go to PP are there for contraceptives. 29% go there to be checked for STDs or get treatment for them. This is from PPs yearly report. Only 3% of the women who go to PP go to have an abortion. People have said ‘well women who have an abortion ALSO get information on contraceptives to the women are counted in more than one area’. Ok, that means what exactly? Even if 10% of the women who went to PP had abortions that means 90% go for something else. That means for every 1 woman who has an abortion 10 get other kinds of health care. That means for every 10 women who have an abortion 90 women get some other kind of health care – contraceptives, cancer screening, mammograms, whatever. And antichoicers are happy to try to keep those 90+ women from having the affordable health care they need just so they can try to make it more difficult for those 3 or even 10 women from getting an abortion they want. And no one is kidnapping women off the streets and forcing them into the clinics to have abortions they do not want to have.
Ok, Jess, PP is an equal opportunity fetal destroyer!
Posted by: Janet at April 18, 2008 10:05 AM
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They provide a medical service to women who want it. And obsessing over 3% of the service they provide and ignoring the other 97% of service they provide isnt being honest or truthful.
You’re right TR. And if they don’t want to have an abortion they just won’t have one. They do provide information about government assistance programs.
Margaret Sanger was noted as saying “We don’t want it to get out that we are trying to exterminate the Negro Race”. Sounds like a RACIST. And PP has continued this tradition.
African American’s are only about what, 20% of the US Population, but they are MORE likely to abort. That’s disturbing.
Abortion isn’t health care and I wouldn’t trust PP to provide GOOD “Health Care”.
If you take away that 3% (abortion) service from PP…they wil never survive w/o Federal funds to bail them out…
Maybe they are more likely to abort because they have less means to raise children? Maybe we should look at the root of the problem.
TR:Planned Parenthood clinics are in poor neighborhoods so poor women can have access to health care. Ive said this before but I’ll say it again. 37% of the women who go to PP are there for contraceptives. 29% go there to be checked for STDs or get treatment for them. This is from PPs yearly report. Only 3% of the women who go to PP go to have an abortion.
This only accounts for 69% of women who go to PP. What about the other 31%? Do you have a link to their most recent financial report?
They provide a medical service to women who want it. And obsessing over 3% of the service they provide and ignoring the other 97% of service they provide isnt being honest or truthful.
If you look at this 3% figure that represents the abortions at PP more carefully, that this number is skewed by PP’s reporting practices which gives equal weight to an abortion and the sale of birth control pills. This will artificially reduce the percentage of the total “business” at PP that abortions represents. Honesty needs to go both ways, right? The most telling statistics to look at when talking about abortions might be actual numbers and dollars, not percentages.
Planned Parenthood clinics are in poor neighborhoods so poor women can have access to health car
PP tends to locate themselves in urban areas where there are also Free Medical Clinics and Pregnancy Centers. I would much rather see women take advantage of these other facilities than Planned Parenthood. I believe they are more interested in making money than taking care of women. The fact that they do abortions, is morally reprehensible to me, and I couldn’t support them.
“They provide a medical service to women who want it. And obsessing over 3% of the service they provide and ignoring the other 97% of service they provide isnt being honest or truthful.”
All for a price, TRed, all for a price. Don’t buy into Planned Parenthood’s gimic that they are in it for the women. They are a business. They care as long as they make profit. That’s all Planned Parenthood is about in the long run. Not health. Not women. Not eugenics. It’s all about making money.
making money for what goal? They don’t have shareholders. What are they going to do with all this money?
Root of the problem?
Try promiscuity by irresponsible teens and unmarried adults brought about by incomplete sex education w/o moral guidance.
Also, the ease of the availability of pornography which sees human sexuality as something to be used and abused.
Jess:
You’re right TR. And if they don’t want to have an abortion they just won’t have one. They do provide information about government assistance programs.
Jess, Couldn’t someone just as easily find this information about government assistance programs on the internet or with a telephone call or a trip to a library? PP wants us to think they are a noble, indispensible organization. Think of all the good we could do for poor and single mothers if the Federal Government directed their dollars to other social oraganizations. Why don’t we get after the drug companies and force them to lower the prices on medicines, so people wouldn’t have to travel to a PP?
“What are they going to do with all this money?”
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ooh, let me guess…build more abortuaries to make more money? Buy classic cars and other worldly desires?
And…also to contribute to Pro-abort,Liberal politician’s so they can continue this Culture of Death.
..and also to fund UN pro-death programs….
RSD,
“Root of the problem? ”
Contraception, plain and simple.
you see, RSD, the money isn’t the goal. It’s a means to the goal of better heath care and better access to abortion. The classic cars are bought by the for profit abortion clinic owners. PP is in just to “do good.”
sure, Hal…whatever you say…
making money for what goal? They don’t have shareholders. What are they going to do with all this money?
Posted by: Hal at April 18, 2008 10:47 AM
What a good question! They are building HUGE expensive buildings in many large cities of the US right now. For some odd reason, it is legal for them to have political action committees in Washington, PP is legally allowed to contribute our tax money to other charities. They give money to foreign countries so they can promote their agenda around the world. It’s a HUGE money making machine and most Americans have no clue.
Oh yeah, AuschWeitz. Sooooo clever. Wow. I’m blown away by how clever that is. So much creative thought must have gone into coming up with that. So clever. Clever. Really.
“Contraception, plain and simple.”
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I guess, I was looking more of what brought about the “Contraception” mentality…
Hal:
Special Report
The Real Planned Parenthood
By Tom McClusky
Published 5/23/2007 12:07:47 AM
How much have you spent this year on the abortion-oriented services of Planned Parenthood? This question may seem too personal, or out of line with your religious beliefs. But the truth is that if you pay taxes, you support Planned Parenthood.
As the media runs stories of candidates getting into trouble for donating to Planned Parenthood, it’s noteworthy to mention how much the controversial organization receives on the public dole. In 2005 Planned Parenthood got $272 million in our taxes, twice the money it made from its 255,000 surgical abortions. Since 1987, Planned Parenthood has taken in $3.2 billion in taxpayer funds for its deadly agenda. So, since 1973 Planned Parenthood has aborted 3.8 million babies with the help of over 3.9 billion tax dollars.
But the buck doesn’t stop there. A number of companies also donate large amounts of money to the pro-abortion organization including Walt Disney Co., Bank of America, Johnson and Johnson, Cole, Levi Strauss, Nationwide Insurance, Prudential, Unilever, Wachovia and Whole Foods. Between taxpayer dollars, corporate monies and other donations, Planned Parenthood had over $882 million in total revenue in 2005.
Many supporters of Planned Parenthood seem to be embarrassed about the organization’s best known service — abortion. Proponents argue that the money goes to other services, usually emphasizing adoption work. However, according to the most recent figures, Planned Parenthood did 264,943 abortions in 2005, an increase of over 100,000 from the year before (those abortions generated an estimated $99 million profit for Planned Parenthood.) In contrast, adoption referrals by Planned Parenthood have been steadily decreasing from 1,774 customers in 2003 to 1,414 in 2004 (the last years figures were known). In other words, for every 180 abortions Planned Parenthood did, they offered one adoption referral.
Additionally, Planned Parenthood appears to take many positions that are well outside of the mainstream. Pro-abortion forces went ballistic immediately following the recent Supreme Court decision limiting the senseless killing of innocent, partially-born babies, otherwise known as Partial Birth Abortion. A recent CNN poll following the decision found that a large majority of Americans supported the Supreme Court’s decision to make the procedure illegal. Vanessa Cullins, a vice president of Planned Parenthood, immediately sent out a press statement voicing “disappointment” in the Supreme Court decision but “If you have an appointment, you should still come in” for a partial birth abortion.
The true story of Planned Parenthood is more easily told by how it treats the young women who come in for “counseling.” Two recently controversial cases come from Ohio where girls, one as young as 14, were brought in for abortions. In one case it was the young girl’s soccer coach who brought the underage girl in for the abortion. In the other case, it was the victim’s own father, who had repeatedly raped and abused her. Despite laws requiring Planned Parenthood officials to report the crimes of statutory rape or incest, the law was not followed. The victims were only sold abortions, paid for by their abusers.
Sadly, Planned Parenthood so routinely gets exposed instructing statutory rapist on how not to get caught, there are videos which can be watched even now at YouTube.
Interestingly, Planned Parenthood opposes true pregnancy care centers where adoption counseling and assistance for mothers can be found as well as medical assistance. A real pregnancy care center offers women a true choice, and such centers clearly explain to women that the choice they are about to make is not between a woman and her doctor, but between a mother and her child.
Because Planned Parenthood is most concerned with “terminating the pregnancy,” the organization also fights against issues like parental notice, medical facility standards for abortion clinics, and the release of records of underage abortions, even with names and addresses deleted. This is key because such pregnancies indicate that crimes have been committed against the girls. Planned Parenthood hides under the guise of “patient privacy,” as they have in Indiana and Kansas.
Warren County, Ohio, Prosecutor Rachel Hutzel has a different, more realistic theory regarding Planned Parenthood’s reluctance to discuss the underage girls. She states, “My guess is that this is just the tip of the iceberg, and that is why Planned Parenthood will do anything to prevent us from seeing its records.”
If candidates, corporations and politicians want to continue to stand up for and financially support Planned Parenthood, knowing about its despicable practices, that is their choice. However, it’s time to have a public conversation about the $272 million tax dollars going to Planned Parenthood each year. To make the American taxpayer an unwitting accomplice to crimes upon our children is too much to ask.
Tom McClusky is vice president of government affairs for the Family Research Council, a Washington, D.C.-based public policy organization.
…good find, Janet!
RSD: 11:00: I guess, I was looking more of what brought about the “Contraception” mentality…
Pornography is such a large problem in this country, but it’ like the elephant in the room that no one wants to talk about. RSD, If your point was that porn leads to the over-emphasis of sex in our culture, which often results in abortion, then I completely agree with you. The internet is a large part of this problem, but parents are still putting computers in their kids’ bedrooms to be used unsupervised….it makes no sense!!!! Parents need to take more interest in their children’s moral development.
I just saw an ad last night for a new television program coming on in the summer called “Swingertown” (or something to that effect). What a stupid idea for a tv show. There must be a conspiracy in Hollywood to destroy the morals of our country! I’d like to suggest that people google it and start writing letters to the network now!
I hear Catholics priest on the radio talking about the problem of pornography, and how it is growing and growing as a problem. They would know – they are hearing it in the confessionals, after all. Let’s please try to resolve this problem to help our next generation of young men (and women too). Maybe we can reduce the number of abortions indirectly by working on this problem.
Speaking of PARENTING –
Relevant Radio has a show at 11:00 AM CST, with a child psychologist who is a great source of parenting information! Dr. Ray (Guarendi) is his name.
I highly recommend him! He’s very funny.
Janet,
I believe a lot more of the next generation are learning the Truth…so, there’s hope in the future.
..add to that the fact that the pro-abort mentality is dying since these so-called “supporters of choice” are killing off their offsprings…
You’re right, RSD. Being born in 1980, I was born into the “spirit of Vatican II” era, and grew up with a healthy dose of Marty Haugen and David Hass music at mass. All this modernism and liberalism that has creped into the church is something that I think many of the young people (the teens and early 20s) are not standing for. I know I’m doing everything I can to give my daughter (and future children (pray for a lot!)) a strong understanding of Christian apologetics and moral philosophy. So much sloppy thinking goes on. I too, think there is much hope for the future.
Damn, Bobby..you just made me feel very old…
Again, the cheese stands alone. My whole family is pro-life and I’m pro-choice. So it’s not like it’s genetic.
P.S. I’m the cheese. Standing all alone. Hoping no one eats me. *shifty eyes*
Bobby,
I give you a lot of credit, for your appreciation of Catholicism, apologetics, and moral philosophy! You are an inspiration to us “older people! I wish more young people would see the importance of studying philosophy in college. It’s a shame that our culture’s obsession with expediency has affected higher education in such a way that “liberal arts studies” are often deemed unnecessary in many fields of study. Especially over the last 25-30 years. Do you see a revival where you are?
Jess: 12:03: Again, the cheese stands alone. My whole family is pro-life and I’m pro-choice. So it’s not like it’s genetic.
P.S. I’m the cheese. Standing all alone. Hoping no one eats me. *shifty eyes*
Something tells me that you thrive on being “a little different”. I know many people who do!
Jess:
Do you do any writing? I think you have quite the imagination, so I think you would be good at it!
“Do you see a revival where you are?”
Well, not in the location I’m in, no. Ivy League schools are notorious for, well, I think we’ve all just seen an example of the type of debauchery that goes on at these schools, although we do have some good Dominicans on our campus. I get a sense of a revival more from the blogs that I read, the radio that I listen to etc. And this sexual revolt of the 1960s; those who pushed for it and put it at the forefront of American culture are beginning to have less of a voice. The younger generations see the error of their ways and the emptiness of hedonism.
So I’m not really involved with any one else out, although I do hope to be employed by a good Catholic college after grad school, which should have some good stuff going on.
Margaret Sanger was noted as saying “We don’t want it to get out that we are trying to exterminate the Negro Race”. Sounds like a RACIST. And PP has continued this tradition.
African American’s are only about what, 20% of the US Population, but they are MORE likely to abort. That’s disturbing.
Abortion isn’t health care and I wouldn’t trust PP to provide GOOD “Health Care”.
Posted by: LizFromNebraska at April 18, 2008 10:18 AM
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Sanger being a social darwinist is as relevant to planned parenthood today as some of our founding fathers being slave owners is to the US today. One of the main reasons Sanger founded Planned Parenthood was to PREVENT women from having abortions by teaching them about birth control. Sanger died before Roe v wade. What is disturbing is the refusal to face the part poverty plays in women CHOOSING to have abortions. These women are having abortions because they choose to do so, not because someone goes out and kidnaps them and forces them to abort. Abortion Is health care and I wouldnt trust you or someone like you to advise me on ANYTHING, nor would I trust your judgment in advising other women on any matter.
If you take away that 3% (abortion) service from PP…they wil never survive w/o Federal funds to bail them out…
Posted by: RSD at April 18, 2008 10:21 AM
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Youre not even making any sense. What does 3% have to do with government funding? What does one have to do with the other? PP is a ‘not for profit’ organization and yes, it receives federal funds. So do a lot of other charities. So what?
ooh, let me guess…build more abortuaries to make more money? Buy classic cars and other worldly desires?
And…also to contribute to Pro-abort,Liberal politician’s so they can continue this Culture of Death.
Posted by: RSD at April 18, 2008 10:52 AM
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‘culture of death’? Its that kind of ridiculous melodramatic hysterical rhetoric that makes so many antichoicers look so idiotic. How is providing health care for poor women a ‘culture of death’? And that IS what 97% of services provided by PP is – health care for women who cant afford health care anywhere else.
sure, Hal…whatever you say…
Posted by: RSD at April 18, 2008 10:57 AM
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Anyone with any integrity would be able to face that fact. Abortion makes up about 3% of the services provided by PP. For every 3 women who go into PP to have an abortion 97 go in for something else. And you dont have any problem denying health care to 97 women if you can make it more difficult for 3 women to have abortions. Then you wonder why the antichoice attitude is viewed as control freak misogyny.
TexasRed,
when your baby kicked inside of you, what did you say? “oh, the baby just kicked” or “oh, the fetus just kicked” ?
This only accounts for 69% of women who go to PP. What about the other 31%? Do you have a link to their most recent financial report?
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Those were the statistics I could remember and I was off on contraceptives –
38% contraceptives
29% STD Testing and treatment
19% Cancer screening and prevention
10% Other womens services
3% abortion
http://www.plannedparenthood.org/files/AR_2007_vFinal.pdf
1% other services
If you look at this 3% figure that represents the abortions at PP more carefully, that this number is skewed by PP’s reporting practices which gives equal weight to an abortion and the sale of birth control pills. This will artificially reduce the percentage of the total “business” at PP that abortions represents. Honesty needs to go both ways, right? The most telling statistics to look at when talking about abortions might be actual numbers and dollars, not percentages.
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So what? Women dont have to get a prescription for birth control pills if they have an abortion. And as I pointed out, how much is that going to increase the percentage if that 3% is also counted in the 38% for contraceptives? Go back and look at my original post – even if that 3% is part of the 38% of women who got contraceptives, and that 29% who had STD testing, and that 19% that had cancer screening and the percentage is doubled or even tripled youre still dealing with 90 women out of 100 who do NOT go to PP for abortion.
Planned Parenthood clinics are in poor neighborhoods so poor women can have access to health car
PP tends to locate themselves in urban areas where there are also Free Medical Clinics and Pregnancy Centers. I would much rather see women take advantage of these other facilities than Planned Parenthood. I believe they are more interested in making money than taking care of women. The fact that they do abortions, is morally reprehensible to me, and I couldn’t support them.
Posted by: Janet at April 18, 2008 10:40 AM
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YOU would rather see? Back to the total egocentricity of the antichoice position. Its all about you and what you want. Most free medical centers are overcrowded and you have to wait forever to see someone. There are also a lot of sick people waiting to see doctors so youre exposed to a whole range of illnesses. PP makes money? So does any other doctor and any other hospital. Why shouldnt women be able to make an appointment and see a doctor at a PP clinic? If someone really wants to see the number of abortions in the US reduced then they’d be behind Planned Parenthood 100% of the way because PP has done more to REDUCE the number of abortions in the US by helping women obtain contraceptives and obtain sex education than all the ‘sidewalk counselors’ and ‘crisis pregnancy centers’ in the country.
..and also to fund UN pro-death programs….
Posted by: RSD at April 18, 2008 10:54 AM
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And just what do you fantasize a ‘pro death program’ would be?
Family Research Council? oh yeah – like any information from them can be trusted to be unbiased and objective –
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_Research_Council
The Family Research Council (FRC) is a reactionary Christian right non-profit think tank and lobbying organization. It was formed in the United States by James Dobson in 1981 and incorporated in 1983. The group was designed to be a lobbying force for conservative legislation on Capitol Hill. In the late 1980s the group officially became a division of Dobson’s main organization Focus on the Family, but in 1992 IRS concerns about the group’s lobbying led to an administrative separation. Its function is to promote what it considers to be traditional family values. The current president is Tony Perkins.
The Family Research Council has been publicly involved in promoting socially conservative views on many issues, including divorce, homosexuality, and abortion. The Church Report ranks FRC first in the category of Christian political organizations. [1]
History
According to the organization’s website, “the Family Research Council (FRC) champions marriage and family as the foundation of civilization, the seedbed of virtue, and the wellspring of society. FRC shapes public debate and formulates public policy that values human life and upholds the institutions of marriage and the family. Believing that God is the author of life, liberty, and the family, FRC promotes the Judeo-Christian worldview as the basis for a just, free, and stable society”.
“The idea of the Family Research Council originated at the 1980 White House Conference on Families. Among the conferees, James Dobson stood out because of his rare combination of Christian social values and academic and professional credentials. A practicing clinical psychologist and noted author, Dobson had recently transitioned into radio broadcasting and also launched a nonprofit, family service organization. He felt that the time was ripe to establish an organization that would drive the national debate on family issues. In 1983, the Family Research Council incorporated as a nonprofit educational institution in the District of Columbia; its founding board included Dobson and two noted psychiatrists, Armand Nicholi Jr. of Harvard University and George Rekers of the University of South Carolina,” it states.
“Under the leadership of Jerry Regier, a former Reagan Administration official at the Department of Health and Human Services, FRC began to link policy makers with researchers and professionals from a variety of disciplines. Gary Bauer, a domestic policy advisor to President Ronald Reagan, succeeded Regier in 1988 and by the mid-1990s the organization had grown into a $10 million operation with a nationwide network of support…”, it states.[2]
The FRC is associated with James Dobson’s Focus on the Family and William J. Bennett.
Edgar Prince helped Gary Bauer start the Family Research Council. Edgar Prince is the father of Erik Prince, founder of the private military contractor Blackwater USA.[3]
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The FRC policies are in general those of the Christian Right:
FRC campaigns for an increase in abstinence-only sex education.
Supports the wide availability of a vaccine for human papilloma virus (HPV), a virus that causes cervical cancer, but “oppose any measures to legally require vaccination or to coerce parents into authorizing it.”[4]. In 2005, a representative of FRC described vaccination in an interview with New Scientist magazine as ‘potentially harmful, because [young women] may see it as a license to engage in premarital sex.'[5] FRC later released a clarification saying, “After extensive study of the vaccine and discussion with medical experts, we concluded that the public health benefits of developing and distributing such a vaccine far outweighed any potential, hypothetical concerns about its impact on sexual behavior. Therefore, we announced in October of 2005 that we would enthusiastically support the development of the vaccine and federal approval of its use, including its addition to the list of vaccines recommended to physicians and of those made available to lower-income families through the Vaccines for Children program.” [6]
They have commented in support of intelligent design and the movement’s “Teach the Controversy” campaign.[7][8][9]
Frequently campaign for tighter regulation of pornography, especially internet pornography and indecency on broadcast-TV. Actively opposed the introduction of a .xxx domain name, and lobbied for an increase in indecency fines from the FCC.
Strongly opposed to legal abortion.
Oppose research which involves or benefits from the destruction of embryos.
Opponents of legal recognition of homosexual “domestic partnerships” (in either ‘marriage’ or ‘civil unions’).
Favors preclusion of (in order to overturn) all legislative, executive, or judicial action at any level of state or local government designed to protect the status of persons based on their ‘homosexual, lesbian or bisexual orientation, conduct, practices or relationships.’ [10]
Opposes population control measures.
Advocates for lower taxes and limited government.
Favors strong military action against “radical Islam”.
Supports simplifying the tax code, increasing the child tax credit, and permanently eliminating the marriage penalty and estate taxes.
Opponents of the idea that humans are responsible for global warming.[11][12] [13]
Strongly opposes all forms of gambling. This position has created some controversy within the Christian community, as gambling is not prohibited in the Bible[14]. This schism is evidenced by the fact that many churches hold gambling contests, especially bingo, to raise funds. Focus
All for a price, TRed, all for a price. Don’t buy into Planned Parenthood’s gimic that they are in it for the women. They are a business. They care as long as they make profit. That’s all Planned Parenthood is about in the long run. Not health. Not women. Not eugenics. It’s all about making money.
Posted by: StudentFL at April 18, 2008 10:41 AM
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Since Planned Parenthood is a ‘not for profit’ organization thats a rather stupid statement.
What a good question! They are building HUGE expensive buildings in many large cities of the US right now. For some odd reason, it is legal for them to have political action committees in Washington, PP is legally allowed to contribute our tax money to other charities. They give money to foreign countries so they can promote their agenda around the world. It’s a HUGE money making machine and most Americans have no clue.
Posted by: Janet at April 18, 2008 10:58 AM
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Their ‘agenda’ is helping poor women get health care.
Root of the problem?
Try promiscuity by irresponsible teens and unmarried adults brought about by incomplete sex education w/o moral guidance.
Also, the ease of the availability of pornography which sees human sexuality as something to be used and abused.
Posted by: RSD at April 18, 2008 10:48 AM
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Oh yeah – and ‘you’ or the Catholic Church should be ‘in charge’ of providing ‘moral guidance’ for the rest of the world. How laughable.
“Contraception, plain and simple.”
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I guess, I was looking more of what brought about the “Contraception” mentality…
Posted by: RSD at April 18, 2008 11:00 AM
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Probably it was ‘brought about’ by women who realized they could do more with their lives than have another baby every 18 months
Jess, Couldn’t someone just as easily find this information about government assistance programs on the internet or with a telephone call or a trip to a library? PP wants us to think they are a noble, indispensible organization. Think of all the good we could do for poor and single mothers if the Federal Government directed their dollars to other social oraganizations. Why don’t we get after the drug companies and force them to lower the prices on medicines, so people wouldn’t have to travel to a PP?
Posted by: Janet at April 18, 2008 10:50 AM
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Why should they have to? Why do you resent women getting the health care they need? And that is exactly what PP does. You resent women having access to PP because allmighty YOU doesnt ‘approve’ of 3% of the services PP offers. Think of all the good that could be done if the Catholic Church started selling off its art works and its gold and jewells and its real estate and giving money to clinics to help the poor and feed the poor in predominantly catholic third world countries.
..add to that the fact that the pro-abort mentality is dying since these so-called “supporters of choice” are killing off their offsprings…
Posted by: RSD at April 18, 2008 11:40 AM
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Thats one more incredibly stupid argument and idiotic invention. Do you really think that people who are pro choice dont have children?
Pornography is such a large problem in this country, but it’ like the elephant in the room that no one wants to talk about.
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Not everyone is as terrified of sex as you seem to be.
TR,
..you keep believing what you’re saying and we keep believing what we’re saying…then, at the end of our lives, we’ll know what was really going on…How’s THAT for a compromise?
TexasRed,
when your baby kicked inside of you, what did you say? “oh, the baby just kicked” or “oh, the fetus just kicked” ?
Posted by: jasper at April 18, 2008 12:48 PM
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Jasper this is the third time Ive answered the question and you dont seem to be able to comprehend it. Are your reading comprehension skills that abominable? I knew I was carrying a fetus. Why does that fact confuse you and confound you?
I hear Catholics priest on the radio talking about the problem of pornography, and how it is growing and growing as a problem. They would know – they are hearing it in the confessionals, after all. Let’s please try to resolve this problem to help our next generation of young men (and women too). Maybe we can reduce the number of abortions indirectly by working on this problem.
Posted by: Janet at April 18, 2008 11:16 AM
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What in the world do you fantasize pornography has to do with abortion? Or are you honestly trying to pretend people wouldnt have sex if ‘pornography’ didnt make them ‘think’ about it? or do you want to pretend that without pornography everyone would ‘just know’ that sex was only for husbands and wives only when they are ready to have a baby and no one else would be sexually active?
TR,
..you keep believing what you’re saying and we keep believing what we’re saying…then, at the end of our lives, we’ll know what was really going on…How’s THAT for a compromise?
Posted by: RSD at April 18, 2008 1:31 PM
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Im more than happy to tell the truth and stand for the truth. Youre more than happy to refuse to face the truth or tell the truth. Even in the context of your own mythology thats wrong.
sure, TR, sure….you keep believing that…
Planned Parenthood clinics are in poor neighborhoods so poor women can have access to health care. Ive said this before but I’ll say it again. 37% of the women who go to PP are there for contraceptives. 29% go there to be checked for STDs or get treatment for them. This is from PPs yearly report. Only 3% of the women who go to PP go to have an abortion. People have said ‘well women who have an abortion ALSO get information on contraceptives to the women are counted in more than one area’. Ok, that means what exactly? Even if 10% of the women who went to PP had abortions that means 90% go for something else. That means for every 1 woman who has an abortion 10 get other kinds of health care. That means for every 10 women who have an abortion 90 women get some other kind of health care – contraceptives, cancer screening, mammograms, whatever. And antichoicers are happy to try to keep those 90+ women from having the affordable health care they need just so they can try to make it more difficult for those 3 or even 10 women from getting an abortion they want. And no one is kidnapping women off the streets and forcing them into the clinics to have abortions they do not want to have.
Posted by: TexasRed at April 18, 2008 10:08 AM
That’s true, and especially true when you think about all the rich white people who can get abortions at private clinics and hospitals. What PP does is important to help poorer women, and you know what, unfortunately a lot of poor people aren’t white. It’s a fact.
But PP also helps college students too, and well, anyone who doesn’t want to pay a ton of money to go to a gynecologist, or someone who doesn’t have health insurance. If PP went away, where would those people go?
I bet Planned Parenthood hates families that I went to school with. One family in particular had 9 kids (a few were born later on). When the son that I went to school with was born, they already had three children (two of the three was a set of twins). They had an additional 5 children over the course of the next 11 or 12 years after that – finally adding two girls (not twins) to the family mostly dominated by boys.
My brother has 3 children. My brother’s brother in law’s sister (this would be his wife’s sister’s husband’s sister) has seven children.
Of course these examples of couples that accepted being “OPEN to LIFE” and not having a “me, me, me” mentality which comes with contraception, abortion and promiscuity.
Why does Planned Parenthood hate telling the truth about fetal development? Are they afraid of losing big $$$$$$ if a woman hears the child’s heart beat? Or sees the little head and arms and legs on an ultrasound?
They MAKE $$$$$$, they aren’t NON PROFIT.
If PP got their tax funding taken away, they’d probably have to shut down, since they take over 300 MILLION dollars of tax money. That money should be used for education (not SEX ED — but reading, writing, arithematic), and to fund a program for college students who are pregnant or parenting.
There was a woman injured at the local abortuary in my city last summer. She lost a lot of blood and had to have an emergency hysterectomy. She also told the abortionist to stop, but he wouldn’t.
In Aurora (where PP is)..they can go to the VNA…
Jill, since you think Will Duffy is so “clever”, let me reference another example of his being “clever”
One of Will’s flunkies drives a truck with a giant poster of the the Virgina Tech mass murderer, the famous photo with his guns drawn, with the caption: “BLOOD WILL FLOW IN THE STREETS” which Will directs to various businesses and neighborhoods to threaten his targets, their neighbors, and passers-by.
Isn’t that CLEVER Jill?
Maybe you could get a poster of that mass murderer from Will to carry around. Since this week is the one-year anniversary of that event, it should have a lot of impact.
Jill, since you worship and promote Will at every opportunity, I think you would be very proud, and “clever” to carry that poster of the Virginia Tech mass murderer.
After all what is more “pro life” than the murder of 32 defenseless people? and what could be more CLEVER than using it to promote the pro life cause?
sure, TR, sure….you keep believing that…
Posted by: RSD at April 18, 2008 1:38 PM
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Its called reality. I know the concept frightens you.
I bet Planned Parenthood hates families that I went to school with. One family in particular had 9 kids (a few were born later on). When the son that I went to school with was born, they already had three children (two of the three was a set of twins). They had an additional 5 children over the course of the next 11 or 12 years after that – finally adding two girls (not twins) to the family mostly dominated by boys.
My brother has 3 children. My brother’s brother in law’s sister (this would be his wife’s sister’s husband’s sister) has seven children.
Of course these examples of couples that accepted being “OPEN to LIFE” and not having a “me, me, me” mentality which comes with contraception, abortion and promiscuity.
Why does Planned Parenthood hate telling the truth about fetal development? Are they afraid of losing big $$$$$$ if a woman hears the child’s heart beat? Or sees the little head and arms and legs on an ultrasound?
They MAKE $$$$$$, they aren’t NON PROFIT.
If PP got their tax funding taken away, they’d probably have to shut down, since they take over 300 MILLION dollars of tax money. That money should be used for education (not SEX ED — but reading, writing, arithematic), and to fund a program for college students who are pregnant or parenting.
There was a woman injured at the local abortuary in my city last summer. She lost a lot of blood and had to have an emergency hysterectomy. She also told the abortionist to stop, but he wouldn’t.
Posted by: LizFromNebraska at April 18, 2008 1:44 PM
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You are coming up with one absolutely absurd invention and fabrication after another.
Why in the world do you fantacize PP would CARE if your ‘friends’ had a big family or not?
I find it hilarious that you think limiting your number of children is somehow ‘selfish’. If anything is ‘selfish’ its having more children than you can take care of.
Your delusions about what ‘Planned parenthood hates’ are simply laughable – bizarre deranged and laughable.
I would suggest you learn what ‘not for profit’ means since its obvious you dont know.
And yeah, sure “there was this woman who …..” Are there any other tall tales you’d like to share with us while youre feelling ‘creative’?
What about TRUST in Divine Providence, will this count as a tall tale, TR?
That’s true, and especially true when you think about all the rich white people who can get abortions at private clinics and hospitals. What PP does is important to help poorer women, and you know what, unfortunately a lot of poor people aren’t white. It’s a fact.
But PP also helps college students too, and well, anyone who doesn’t want to pay a ton of money to go to a gynecologist, or someone who doesn’t have health insurance. If PP went away, where would those people go?
Posted by: Danielle at April 18, 2008 1:40 PM
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The antichoicers dont care – they rationalize and insist these women would “find something somewhere” – they ‘could’ go to free clinics which are already horrifically over crowded, or go to emergency rooms – but what they would really LIKE is for the women to NOT HAVE SEX AT ALL unless they were willing to stop what they were doing and continue a pregnancy. In a lot of cases its NOT just about abortion but its about a resentment and disapproval of sexual activity and the attitude that women shouldnt even use contraceptives and that any time a woman has sex she should be ready to continue a pregnancy. There are some people who are against abortion who believe strongly in sex education and helping women obtain contraceptives, but there are a whole lot who dont.
TR: 1:34: What in the world do you fantasize pornography has to do with abortion? Or are you honestly trying to pretend people wouldnt have sex if ‘pornography’ didnt make them ‘think’ about it? or do you want to pretend that without pornography everyone would ‘just know’ that sex was only for husbands and wives only when they are ready to have a baby and no one else would be sexually active?
Yeah, pretty much. No, I’m not terrified of sex. That’s stretching my comment a bit. What I don’t like about pornography is it ruins marriages, it ruins young boys who become addicted to it. It becomes an addiction like anything else. It’s completely disgusting to me.
I try to be respectful with you, and then you call me a whiner. I won’t discuss the Church with you, because our perspective is light years apart. I don’t like PP because I don’t like abortion. I don’t support Susan G. Komen because they support PP, and on and on…That is my right.
I know you are going to say, but those women choose to pose for the magazines, etc. I think these women are dumb for doing it, and look how many young actresses have to deal with the embarrassment of things they did like this when they were younger and stupid.
Are you able to talk without using the word “idiot”? It’s very hard to take you seriously when you do. I have a hard time keeping you and SoMG distinct in my mind because all I think of when I see your names is “angry, angry, angry”. That attitude is not much fun to be around. Once in a while you actually have a very good sense of humor, it would be nice to hear more of that.
I’m sorry you have such hatred for the Catholic Church. I love the Church and the beauty of it which reflects the beauty of God here on Earth. If you think the Catholic Church should sell off all their Churches and statues, then maybe the President should sell the White House and all the monuments, etc, and go live at the Hotel six down the road. The Catholic Church has some of the largest charity organizations in this country, so you really don’t have much right to say that they are “wasting money”. You just don’t get it.
I’d like to live in a world where people care about opening their minds to new thought and personal growth to better themselves and others’ lives becoming happier in the process. You want to be unhappy and complain about the rest of us. As I’ve said before, if you don’t like us here, go to your favorite feminist, atheistic sites where you can talk with people who think like you… all day long.
What about TRUST in Divine Providence, will this count as a tall tale, TR?
Posted by: RSD at April 18, 2008 2:11 PM
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Coming from you? yeah.
There you have it folks…straight from TR’s mouth.
Yeah, pretty much. No, I’m not terrified of sex. That’s stretching my comment a bit. What I don’t like about pornography is it ruins marriages, it ruins young boys who become addicted to it. It becomes an addiction like anything else. It’s completely disgusting to me.
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Where in the world do you GET these ideas?
“Where in the world do you GET these ideas?”
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Now THAT’s funny!
Are you able to talk without using the word “idiot”? It’s very hard to take you seriously when you do. I have a hard time keeping you and SoMG distinct in my mind because all I think of when I see your names is “angry, angry, angry”. That attitude is not much fun to be around. Once in a while you actually have a very good sense of humor, it would be nice to hear more of that.
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Those are your fabrications – its what you have to make up to cope with the fact that people simply find some of your ideas and inventions bizarre and laughable. There is nothing ‘angry’ about it. If you want to look at attitudes that arent ‘much fun’ to be around then look at your own. Sex is bad unless its for making babies. Pornography causes abortions. People get ‘addicted’ to pornography. Porrnography ‘ruins’ marriages. You probably think pornography ’causes’ rape too. 97 women shouldnt have access to health care because 3 women go to PP for abortions. You dont even sound like you have a nodding acquaintance with reality.
Where in the world do you GET these ideas?
Posted by: TexasRed at April 18, 2008 2:18 PM
You are living in a bubble if you are serious with that question.
Can I come live with you (ha ha) – are you living in Paradise?
(Call your favorite Psychologist/Psychiatrist, Counselor, Mental Health Worker….They will tell you what a growing problem pornography is in this country.)
I’m sorry you have such hatred for the Catholic Church. I love the Church and the beauty of it which reflects the beauty of God here on Earth. If you think the Catholic Church should sell off all their Churches and statues, then maybe the President should sell the White House and all the monuments, etc, and go live at the Hotel six down the road. The Catholic Church has some of the largest charity organizations in this country, so you really don’t have much right to say that they are “wasting money”. You just don’t get it.
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Why do you need the fantasy that I ‘hate’ the Catholic church? You went off on a tear about how ‘all that money’ going to PP could have been spent for ‘something else’ – never mind the fact that most of that money went for health care. I asked about ‘all that money’ that goes to the RCC and is tied up in the RCC possessions – how much good could THAT do? But obviously THAT question is off limits for you. What does the President of the US have to do with any of this discussion? The US government isnt a religion. The RCC is. And yes I ‘get it’ just fine but its not something you like to be gotten.
There you have it folks…straight from TR’s mouth.
Posted by: RSD at April 18, 2008 2:17 PM
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Actually it would be from my flying little fingertips, but I dont take ANYTHING you say seriously, RSD. At best youre comic relief.
(Call your favorite Psychologist/Psychiatrist, Counselor, Mental Health Worker….They will tell you what a growing problem pornography is in this country.)
Posted by: Janet at April 18, 2008 2:26 PM
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And you really believe that ….
yeah, right.
“…I dont take ANYTHING you say seriously, RSD. At best youre comic relief.”
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Riiiight…
Where in the world do you GET these ideas?
Posted by: TexasRed at April 18, 2008 2:18 PM
You are living in a bubble if you are serious with that question.
Can I come live with you (ha ha) – are you living in Paradise?
(Call your favorite Psychologist/Psychiatrist, Counselor, Mental Health Worker….They will tell you what a growing problem pornography is in this country.)
Posted by: Janet at April 18, 2008 2:26 PM
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Come up with some current studies from credibly secular sources recognized by the mental health care community and published in credible journals etc that says that pornography is ‘dangerous’ or is ‘destroying marriages’ or is ‘addictive’ or is ‘destrorying society’ or is a ‘growing problem’.
“…I dont take ANYTHING you say seriously, RSD. At best youre comic relief.”
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Riiiight…
Posted by: RSD at April 18, 2008 2:34 PM
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the red pingpong ball on the end of your nose, the rubber chicken, the bicycle horn, the orange afro and the size 98 shoes pretty much gave you away –
…*LOL*..you forgot the big red lipstick!
TR..you are a hoot!
Do you have psych journal that you would accept as a source so I don’t get shot down ten times?
the red pingpong ball on the end of your nose, the rubber chicken, the bicycle horn, the orange afro and the size 98 shoes pretty much gave you away –
TR 2:37:
NOW THAT WAS REALLY FUNNY!!!!
TR: 2:24: Those are your fabrications – its what you have to make up to cope with the fact that people simply find some of your ideas and inventions bizarre and laughable. There is nothing ‘angry’ about it. If you want to look at attitudes that arent ‘much fun’ to be around then look at your own. Sex is bad unless its for making babies. Pornography causes abortions. People get ‘addicted’ to pornography. Porrnography ‘ruins’ marriages. You probably think pornography ’causes’ rape too. 97 women shouldnt have access to health care because 3 women go to PP for abortions. You dont even sound like you have a nodding acquaintance with reality.
I don’t care if anyone finds my ideas laughable on this blog. If I did, I wouldn’t be here. if you want to call my ideas “fabrications”, fine, but I prefer “mental constructs”, because they aren’t lies. Ok, I can see you don’t think my ideas are “fun” either, I guess we are at the same point of incredulity.
You feel no anger? Maybe it’s your choice of words, then, bacause I feel it. I’m still shocked that you don’t see a relationship between some of these things we are discussing. I live in a very Catholic part of the country (midwest), so I know zillions of people who think just like me. I don’t know many who think like you do…
…*LOL*..you forgot the big red lipstick!
TR..you are a hoot!
Posted by: RSD at April 18, 2008 2:39 PM
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Sorry – I thought that was your natural mouth
Do you have psych journal that you would accept as a source so I don’t get shot down ten times?
Posted by: Janet at April 18, 2008 2:42 PM
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Come up with studies from a secular source and published in credible journals recognized by the mental health care community. If you come up with articles I can shoot down then it should give you good reason to stop and think.
hmmm..your big round eyeglasses, the bushy eyebrows and the large nose must be geting in the way…
You feel no anger? Maybe it’s your choice of words, then, bacause I feel it. I’m still shocked that you don’t see a relationship between some of these things we are discussing. I live in a very Catholic part of the country (midwest), so I know zillions of people who think just like me. I don’t know many who think like you do…
Posted by: Janet at April 18, 2008 2:45 PM
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Why would I be angry? Im amused but Im certainly not angry. Youre shocked that people dont see things exactly the same way you see them. Youve got so many assumptions and inventions its not possible for you to easily face the fact that not everyone finds them credible or buys into what you buy into so readily. Yes, youre surrounded by people who do think just like you. And I bet most of them are also catholic. And thats why any other perspective shocks you. You dont come into contact with anything different. Im living in one of the largest metropolitan areas in the nation. I live in a college town. We have every religion and philosophy imaginable represented. I have friends and acquaintances who are fundamentalists, catholics, budhist, athiests, agnostics, even a wiccan or two – I know people who straight, gay, bi, and some who are basically uninterested at all. I have friends who are happily married and others who have revolving doors on their bedroom. I was raised as a southern baptist, I have a degree in psychology and sociology and more graduate hours than I want to admit in counseling and guidance since Im not likely to ever get my masters. Ive been an officer in the Air Force and the first woman to be commissioned through our AFROTC detachment. I’ve lived all over this country and learned to care about people from every possible walk in life. No, Im not going to think the same way you do.
hmmm..your big round eyeglasses, the bushy eyebrows and the large nose must be geting in the way…
Posted by: RSD at April 18, 2008 2:52 PM
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My glasses are rectangular, my eye brows are artfully arched, and my nose is ‘perfect’ according to a plastic surgeon who had to repair my ex’s broken nose. He was on the losing end of a pillow fight with our six year old.
“Where in the world do you GET these ideas?”
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Now THAT’s funny!
Posted by: RSD at April 18, 2008 2:22 PM
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Help her out. Find some articles to support her assertions – secular sources, credible objective studies from publications recognized by the mental health care community.
Wow…after all that experience TR STILL got the life issue wrong?
…must be that moral relativism thing.
Do you have psych journal that you would accept as a source so I don’t get shot down ten times?
Posted by: Janet at April 18, 2008 2:42 PM
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Come up with studies from a secular source and published in credible journals recognized by the mental health care community. If you come up with articles I can shoot down then it should give you good reason to stop and think.
Posted by: TexasRed at April 18, 2008 2:52 PM
I don’t have an hour to spend on this, but I’ve heard from several sources that pornography is a large growing problem in this country, how could it not be with the popularity of the internet? (I think I heard that 25% of log-ins to the internet are to porn sites) That’s a high number. Look at the TV shows like Chris Hansen on Date Line, who confronts pedophiles who have set up meetings on the internet with children. Do you think they are not looking at porn too?
Maybe you’ll hear from a psychologist type on this subject, because I really have no desire to research it further.
Posted by: TexasRed at April 18, 2008 2:52 PM
I don’t have an hour to spend on this, but I’ve heard from several sources that pornography is a large growing problem in this country, how could it not be with the popularity of the internet? (I think I heard that 25% of log-ins to the internet are to porn sites) That’s a high number. Look at the TV shows like Chris Hansen on Date Line, who confronts pedophiles who have set up meetings on the internet with children. Do you think they are not looking at porn too?
Maybe you’ll hear from a psychologist type on this subject, because I really have no desire to research it further.
Posted by: Janet at April 18, 2008 3:20 PM
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Youre the one who categorically stated it was *a problem* and insisted I could talk to ‘any’ mental health care professional and they would TELL me it was a ‘problem’. Youve heard it from ‘several sources’ – what are those sources? And what are they basing their comments on? Studies? Assumptions? Educated guesses? If pornography is available then there MUST be a ‘problem’? Youre the one who said people were getting ‘addicted’ to pornography and pornography was ‘destroying marriages’ and somehow was ‘responsible’ for abortions. Are you admitting you really dont have anything to back any of that up?
Wow…after all that experience TR STILL got the life issue wrong?
…must be that moral relativism thing.
Posted by: RSD at April 18, 2008 3:13 PM
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Since Im not wrong thats one more clownish comment from you, Bozo.
I’d like to live in a world where people care about opening their minds to new thought and personal growth to better themselves and others’ lives becoming happier in the process. You want to be unhappy and complain about the rest of us. As I’ve said before, if you don’t like us here, go to your favorite feminist, atheistic sites where you can talk with people who think like you… all day long.
Posted by: Janet at April 18, 2008 2:14 PM
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No, you most certainly dont want to open your mind to new thoughts. Youve proven that. That you just told me ‘you need to leave’ proves that. That you need to pretend I have to be ‘unhappy’ is another example of how you have rely on fabrications and inventions and make up things that make you more comfortable. People who dont think just like you apparently scare the peedwaddling fire out of you.
…Have a good weekend, Groucho!
…Have a good weekend, Groucho!
Posted by: RSD at April 18, 2008 3:35 PM
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Looks like it will be – gonna see my kids and maybe get the chance to take a spin around the lake on the back of a Harley and my arms wrapped around about 250 pounds of good looking Texas biker
TR:
I’m only shocked that you appear so surprised that porn can be harmful. I’m in a LARGE metro area myself, I have lived in the South, had Baptist friends, etc… and have met people from all over the world through work. I’m not an “idiot” who just “buys into things”. Most of what I hear doesn’t shock me anymore.
So, what “assumptions” and “inventions” are you talking about? If you mean the RCC, then never mind, because that’s part of who I am and that won’t ever change. Believe it or not, I talk a lot about my beliefs, but rarely do I discuss them with “strangers” at home. This blog is more of an intellectual forum for me, where I can try to express my Catholic beliefs…kind of like Bobby does, but he’s WAY ahead of me! Unfortunately, there may be times when it sounds like I’m forcing them down your throat, but that’s not my intent. I believe good people can be saved many ways (although some here won’t agree).
You obviously have accomplished a lot in your life and that’s awesome.
I was just getting ready to post and noticed your two new post. You sure have a way about you! Not angry? Read your last two posts @3:28 and 3:32 PM, and tell me that’s not angry.
I’m tempted to just trash this post and say Adios Senora, :but I’ll answer you. My world doesn’t revolve around you, I’ve been here almost all day and I need to go do some dishes, etc….. You are the counselor, not me. Go look in the pile of journals you have on your coffee table or call a friend to discuss porn. I’m the one that doesn’t like it, remember?
I could have guessed you’d make the comment about an open mind. You are the one living in your own little closed world not me. I don’t need you to be unhappy, I think you do.
RSD: Like Dr. Jeckyll and Mr. Hyde, isn’t she? I think we are therapy for her.
Of course these examples of couples that accepted being “OPEN to LIFE” and not having a “me, me, me” mentality which comes with contraception, abortion and promiscuity.
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Excuse me?
How is choosing to have children any less selfish than choosing NOT to have children?
Laura, TR wore us out, adios.
Why do I care if Planned Parenthood would hate large families? Because Ms. Sanger herself hated large families, and one reason she wanted the poor to have birth control is because they had larger families. They weren’t the type of people she liked (She LOVED Eugenics, remember?). She considered the poor, disabled, minorities, etc, to be unfit.
Regarding Porn: Its a form of Lust! If a married man is looking at naked women, that means he obviously doesn’t have eyes only for his wife.
I can find documented PROOF of this abortion related injury. Want me to give you a link to the archive of the article from my local paper’s website?
here’s a link to an article from last November:
http://www.journalstar.com/articles/2007/11/29/news/local/doc474e14e8c5512275586436.txt
Here’s one from September about the lawsuit:
http://www.journalstar.com/articles/2007/09/01/news/local/doc46d8c05405a03284163710.txt
Is that enough proof for you, Red?
TR: 2:27: Why do you need the fantasy that I ‘hate’ the Catholic church? You went off on a tear about how ‘all that money’ going to PP could have been spent for ‘something else’ – never mind the fact that most of that money went for health care. I asked about ‘all that money’ that goes to the RCC and is tied up in the RCC possessions – how much good could THAT do? But obviously THAT question is off limits for you. What does the President of the US have to do with any of this discussion? The US government isnt a religion. The RCC is. And yes I ‘get it’ just fine but its not something you like to be gotten.
Oh, excuse me, you hate all religion, not just the Catholic Church. It’s not the first time you’ve brought up the “riches” stockpiled by the RCC. So, it bothers you if a Church has nice buildings that are financed by its parishioners or congregation, but you are OK with Planned Parenthood receiving millions of dollars from the taxpayers (who have no choice is the matter) and constructing mega centers in Houston, Portland, and elsewhere? You feel that way because you have the right to freedom from religion, as protected by our Constitution?
I can’t believe that PP is trying to put a abortion mill in another black neighborhood. these people sicken me.
http://adlynmorrison.blogspot.com/
Adlyn,
Me too. Interesting web site! I like your watercolor on the home page.
FYI for all those VNA fans in Aurora – they contribute significant $$ to PP…
I am, among other things, a professional engineer practicing in the contruction industry. I would rather starve than participate in the construction of a death mill.
Shame on any architect, engineer, interior designer, project manager, investment trust, bank or contractor that in any way shape or form constibutes to the construction of a abortatorium.
I am, among other things, a professional engineer practicing in the contruction industry. I would rather starve than participate in the construction of a death mill.
Shame on any architect, engineer, interior designer, project manager, investment trust, bank or contractor that in any way shape or form participates in the construction of a abortatorium.
The foremost reason that pornography is unethical is that almost all of what is considered porn is made using sex slaves. (Perhaps some visitors on this blog, who regularly use pornography, will hasten to assure you that they personally know people who are filmed for pornography of their own free will. They might also assure you that the victims in the snuff porn and the kiddie porn are also performing for films because they want to.)
What causes a person to do pornographic acts in front of a camera, including torture and mutilation, has to do with the upbringing in an environment of abuse. A warped understanding of the purpose and function of the human body develops. In addition, drug use and addiction drive many into the porn and sex industry. (I await the arguments that the drug addiction and use are free will acts, while at the same time are treated as disease using copious government funds.)
One might question the porn users as to whether it is ethical to utilize people who have been mentally damaged by abuse and addiction by supporting the industry which further degrades them in porn exhibition. However they’ll be unable to recognize the problem, most likely because they have become porn users due to upbringing in similar environments of abuse and degradation.
Porn use brings with it a number of problems including inability to function sexually in a normal way.
I recommend that no person enter into a committed relationship with a porn user.
It’s a worse family problem than drug and alcohol addiction.
TR: After reading all your angry posts and your disdain for religion, and all the negativity, I can only surmise that you are a raging militant lesbian. You fit the description to a T.
HisMan:10:41:
I am, among other things, a professional engineer practicing in the contruction industry. I would rather starve than participate in the construction of a death mill.
Shame on any architect, engineer, interior designer, project manager, investment trust, bank or contractor that in any way shape or form participates in the construction of a abortatorium.
Thank you, HisMan.
Your words remind me of this quote from the movie “A Man For All Seasons” where Thomas More, (discussing his rift with King Henry VIII of England), says to Richard Rich: ” Why Richard, it profits a man nothing to give his soul for the whole world… but for Wales?” What a great movie!
Jill said: And the pickets have borne fruit. Will Duffy, head of the Collaborators Project, reported in an email update that pro-lifers in Portland, OR, have joined up to stop a PP mill from being built in the middle of a black neighborhood. And Precious Children of Portland just announced Walsh Construction has pulled from that project as general contractor. Good for Walsh.
If you’d like to write a short letter to Walsh Construction thanking them for pulling from the project or write to the other parties still involved see these web site for names and addresses:
http://www.preciouschildrenofportland.org/citycouncilmembers
For sample letters:
http://www.preciouschildrenofportland.org/letters
Comparing an abortion clinic to Auschwitz shows that the person making the comparison knows nothing about Auschwitz.
Janet, I agree with you that MAN FOR ALL SEASONS is a great movie–mostly because of Robert Shaw and Leo McKern.
“It’s a worse family problem than drug and alcohol addiction.”
Amen, KB, amen. I know from personal experience.
Andno, I’m not the one viewing the porn. Just the one dealing with the effects.
SoMG,2:14:
They were great, it’s a classic!!
Auschwitz: People who committed NO CRIME were put to death (Starvation, gas chambers)
Abortuary: Innocents put to death for NO reason (dismemberment, suction)
Sounds quite similar to me.
“TexasRed,
when your baby kicked inside of you, what did you say? “oh, the baby just kicked” or “oh, the fetus just kicked” ?
Posted by: jasper at April 18, 2008 12:48 PM
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Jasper this is the third time Ive answered the question and you dont seem to be able to comprehend it. Are your reading comprehension skills that abominable? I knew I was carrying a fetus. Why does that fact confuse you and confound you? ”
TR, I didn’t ask you what you thought or knew. I asked you what did you say when your baby first kicked inside of you: “oh, the baby just kicked” or “oh, the fetus just kicked”.
It’s not that difficult a question. It goes to the heart of the matter here. You deny that abortion is killing a child. Examine your conscience TR.
Janet and SoMG – right on, ‘Man For All Seasons’ = awesome movie.
Sorry to hear of your situation, Carder, and I hope relief is possible very soon.
One thing that reduced shame about abortion has brought, is lawsuits against the abortion providers. I think this is going to eliminate abortion faster than any political efforts.
Reduced shame concerning the strangest of activities related to sex is going to bring the lawsuits against pornographers from those abused in childhood, or later in life. The comfort women in Asia have been doing this, and this movement is going to spread and remove profitability from the porn industry.
Think about class action lawsuits against porn providers. Feed the starving lawyers.
LizfromNebraska, you wrote: “Abortuary: Innocents put to death for NO reason (dismemberment, suction)”
Wrong. Not for “NO reason”. For a very good reason: the pregnant woman’s will.
I’ll watch any movie with Robert Shaw in it. I think his best movie is BLACK SUNDAY and his worst was JAWS or maybe FORCE 10 FROM NAVARRONE.
KB, you wrote: “One thing that reduced shame about abortion has brought, is lawsuits against the abortion providers. I think this is going to eliminate abortion faster than any political efforts. ”
Lawsuits against orthopedic surgeons, and against obstetricians, and against neurosurgeons, are much more common and result in much bigger payments than lawsuits against abortion docs. But none of these fields has been “eliminated”, nor will they be.
The best you can hope for is to increase the cost of abortion services.
I personally know several abortion docs who went into abortion after doing OB/GYN residencies because the malpractice insurance costs for delivering live babies was too high.
Jasper this is the third time Ive answered the question and you dont seem to be able to comprehend it. Are your reading comprehension skills that abominable? I knew I was carrying a fetus. Why does that fact confuse you and confound you? ”
TR, I didn’t ask you what you thought or knew. I asked you what did you say when your baby first kicked inside of you: “oh, the baby just kicked” or “oh, the fetus just kicked”.
It’s not that difficult a question. It goes to the heart of the matter here. You deny that abortion is killing a child. Examine your conscience TR.
Posted by: jasper at April 20, 2008 12:37 PM
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Jasper, lying to yourself doesnt do a thing to help your position and lying about what people tell you doesnt help either. I knew that I was carrying a fetus. I was fully aware of fetal movement. Both my sons were wanted before they were conceived, when they were embryo, when they were a fetus, and when they were born and babies. The only thing youre doing is looking idiotic
I was just getting ready to post and noticed your two new post. You sure have a way about you! Not angry? Read your last two posts @3:28 and 3:32 PM, and tell me that’s not angry.
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As I said, you need the lie that Im angry.
It’s a worse family problem than drug and alcohol addiction.
Posted by: KB at April 18, 2008 11:06 PM
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As I said, provide studies from secular sources and published by journals etc recognized by the mental health community backing up your assertion. If you cant do that then youre just shooting off your mouth.
I could have guessed you’d make the comment about an open mind. You are the one living in your own little closed world not me. I don’t need you to be unhappy, I think you do.
Posted by: Janet at April 18, 2008 3:46 PM
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You are anything but open minded. The fact that you have to lie to yourself about me proves your inability to come to terms with the truth. Youre the one who made statements you cant support, and you cant back up. Thats not my fault.
I’m tempted to just trash this post and say Adios Senora, :but I’ll answer you. My world doesn’t revolve around you, I’ve been here almost all day and I need to go do some dishes, etc….. You are the counselor, not me. Go look in the pile of journals you have on your coffee table or call a friend to discuss porn. I’m the one that doesn’t like it, remember?
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You put your foot in your mouth and now youre embarassed. I dont blame you. You should be.
TR: After reading all your angry posts and your disdain for religion, and all the negativity, I can only surmise that you are a raging militant lesbian. You fit the description to a T.
Posted by: Mike at April 18, 2008 11:51 PM
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Mike, you can make all the stupid illiterate ignorant assumptions you want. I wouldnt lift a finger to stop you.
“Comparing an abortion clinic to Auschwitz shows that the person making the comparison knows nothing about Auschwitz.
Posted by: SoMG at April 19, 2008 1:58 PM”
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yeah..I agree…Auschwitz was credited with a paltry 6 million Jews during WW2.
Abortion clinics’deathcount is averaging 1.5 million per year for the past 35 years…
thank God, the numbers are decreasing…
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The lawsuits against the abortionists are revealing criminal activity in addition to the civil liability.
The situation differs from other medical errors called malpractice, and these lawsuits will produce a desirable result.
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It is my impression that TexasRed has a porn problem.
No amount of literature, diagnoses, or treatment regimens designed by mental health professionals can fix the problem of a person who’s in denial.
It’s not part of my health care practice philosophy to administer futile care.
Porn users should be quarantined from the rest of society.
SoMG: “I’ll watch any movie with Robert Shaw in it.”
Sometimes that shark he looks right into ya. Right into your eyes. And, you know, the thing about a shark… he’s got lifeless eyes. Black eyes. Like a doll’s eyes. When he comes at ya, doesn’t seem to be living… until he bites ya, and those black eyes roll over white…
KB: I recommend that no person enter into a committed relationship with a porn user. It’s a worse family problem than drug and alcohol addiction.
KB, does that mean that millions of teen-age boys should put down the magazines and pick up a couple forties and some weed?
I know you didn’t really mean that, but still…. ; )
I just saw an ad last night for a new television program coming on in the summer called “Swingertown” (or something to that effect). What a stupid idea for a tv show.
:: shaking head ::
Have to laugh, Janet – that really does sound stupid; the search for ratings is getting into the Twilight Zone….
Doug, I meant exactly what I said.
It’s really time to turn off the porn. That, along with abortion is really screwing up life for everyone.
KB, okay, then we just disagree.
a worse family problem than drug and alcohol addiction.
I don’t think so….