Oy! Obama/Stanek make Jerusalem Post
I have been encouraged to observe word spread on Obama’s radical support of infanticide.
But all the way to Israel? Oy! Even better, this April 3 Jerusalem Post op ed by Abraham Katsman is excellent. Read it on page 2.
[HT: reader Dave; photo courtesy of the AP]
Obama is no moderate: His radical position on ‘abortion’ after birth
by Abraham Katsman
Jerusalem Post
April 3, 2008
Opinion
Recently, Hillary Clinton presciently warned that she would be the best Democrat presidential candidate because she’s already been “vetted.” Now, that’s not necessarily a good thing for Mrs. Clinton considering her (and her husband’s) checkered past. But she does have a point when it comes to Barack Obama, the new, fresh, moderate-sounding, wildly popular-and largely uninvestigated-frontrunner candidate. And, as it turns out, pro-abortion radical.
We all know Obama’s style, his regal, visionary bearing, his above-the-fray persona, his inspired – and, give him his due, inspiring – performances, his “Audacity of Hope,” and his hypnotic, upbeat, unifying message. He is skilled. If we were voting for a chief motivational speaker or a political “American Idol,” even I’d be on the bandwagon.
But for a candidate for Chief Executive, Commander-in-Chief of the US military, and leader of the free world, we need more. We need some record or some history. His soaring rhetoric aside, it’s long-past the time to ask: just who is this guy? What’s at his core? Where is his moral compass? Do we share the same basic values? Is he as moderate in deed as in word? Apparently not, at least judging by his record on a key sanctity-of-life issue. It is beyond extreme; it is jarring.
Reasonable people may differ in their opinions regarding abortion and thorny questions of precisely when life begins. Jewish doctrine, with its focus on the health of the mother, may differ from Christian or other religious positions over the circumstances under which abortion may be permitted. But once a baby is born, even prematurely, there is across-the-board agreement that a new human life exists. Certainly, there is no longer any threat to the health of the mother. Abortion is no longer an option, as there is no longer a pregnancy to terminate.
So, what are we to make of Obama’s votes against protecting the right to life for living babies who have survived attempted abortions? Such babies are sometimes born alive as a result of late-term induced labor abortions, often sought when babies are believed (sometimes in error) to have genetic defects such as Down syndrome.
Earlier this decade, such living, breathing, babies who survived labor were “shelved” – left to die and disposed of with other medical waste, or were “aborted” – killed outside the womb. The practice was ultimately banned by unanimous Congressional votes, as even the most pro-abortion Senate Democrats – including every defender of partial-birth abortion – recognized that killing these breathing babies is no longer abortion in any real sense. It crosses the line; it is infanticide. Yet, incredibly, Obama repeatedly worked to deny these living babies any right to life.
Jill Stanek, an Illinois nurse, testified in the US Congress in 2000 and 2001 – and before Obama’s Illinois Senate Judiciary Committee – about how induced labor abortions were handled at her hospital, relating this story: “One night, a nursing co-worker was taking an aborted Down syndrome baby who was born alive to our Soiled Utility Room because his parents did not want to hold him, and she did not have the time to hold him. I couldn’t bear the thought of this suffering child lying alone in a Soiled Utility Room, so I cradled and rocked him for the 45 minutes that he lived.” Powerful stuff. Obama, however, was reportedly “unfazed” by her testimony.
Various state and federal attempts ensued to curb the gruesome practice, including the federal Born-Alive Infants Protection Act, passed unanimously by both the House and Senate in 2002 (It did not immediately become law.)
In essence, these acts state that, whether wanted or not, once a baby is fully born, it is recognized as fully human and is entitled to equal protection of the law under the 14th Amendment. Even pro-abortion Democrats supported the BAIPA because it contained explicit language that it would not infringe on any abortion rights. Democrat Barbara Boxer, arguably the Senate’s most zealous pro-choice advocate, agreed that, with this language, the “amendment certainly does not attack Roe v. Wade.”
But not Obama. In March of 2001, Obama’s Illinois Judiciary Committee considered a law substantially identical to the BAIPA. It passed the Committee, with Obama voting against. In front of the full Illinois Senate, Obama was the only senator to speak against the bill, arguing that life protection extended to any (!) preterm babies (ponder that) could jeopardize abortion rights. He voted “present,” tantamount to a “no” vote. In March of 2002, Obama’s Committee passed the Induced Birth Liability Act, requiring medical care for babies who survive induced labor abortions – Obama again voting “present,” arguing that the Act would “create one more burden on women, and I can’t support that.”
In 2003, the Democrats took control of the Illinois Senate, and Obama became Chairman of the Health and Human Services Committee. A Committee member sponsored an Amendment that would adopt the exact same language in Illinois’s proposed BAIPA that Senator Boxer was satisfied did not curtail any abortion rights in the federal BAIPA. But as Chairman, Obama unilaterally killed the bill by never allowing a Committee vote, thereby preventing it from being voted on by the full Senate and becoming law.
Obama’s position essentially boils down to this: a woman who contracts for an abortion is entitled, one way or another, to a dead baby. A dead baby must result, even if that baby had already been a distinct living being. The killing of some live babies is just part of the price we must pay in order to keep the sacred right to an abortion supreme and absolute, beyond any shadow of a doubt.
What kind of principle is this? What core value is Obama expressing? What extremist doctrine or interest is he defending? And how doctrinaire must one be to defend actual infanticide? This goes well beyond any reasonable advocacy of a woman’s “right to choose;” it attacks a living baby’s right to life. His position is not simply “pro-choice;” it is radically anti-life. It is, in fact, pro-death. Whatever one may make of the doctrines of his America-bashing, anti-Israel, Farrakhan-honoring pastor (or why a “uniter” would belong to his church for over 20 years), Obama professes to be a practicing Christian; so, what in the life-affirming Judeo-Christian value system could possibly give license to kill live babies?
In the coming years, the United States Supreme Court is likely to decide landmark cases dealing with life-sanctity issues of eugenics, euthanasia, and abortion. Is mainstream, centrist America ready to put Court appointments in the hands of a far-left candidate with such a radical, ghoulish record?
Perhaps most disappointing is that Obama’s handling of the issue suggests he is actually just another slippery politician – more “spin” than substance. For all the supposed integrity he projects, Obama has not even shown the courage to honestly defend his votes.
In 2004, during a campaign debate, Republican US Senate candidate Alan Keyes challenged Obama on his opposition to the 2003 Illinois BAIPA. Obama replied: “At the federal level there was a similar bill that passed because it had an amendment saying this does not encroach on Roe v. Wade. I would have voted for that bill.” What a marvelously Clintonian answer! As noted above, that language did not make it into the Illinois bill because Obama himself blocked It. Now that is first-rate Audacity. But it doesn’t inspire much Hope.
The writer is Counsel to Republicans Abroad Israel.
Another thing I disagree about Obama,
His pro-peace-with-palestine stance changed to pro-israel-no-matter-what stance, likely because of the presidential eleciton.
I suggest the last sentence be read first:
“the writer is Counsel to Republicans Abroad Israel”
Apparently, the Republicans are not supporting Obama.
This is ice cream and cake to the McCain campaign.
As I predicted 4 months ago, that Barack/Clinton would be battling McCain for President, McCain will handily beat both.
Obama simply because he is a stuffed suit and Clinton becasue she is a soiled suit.
…and Clinton becasue she is a soiled suit.
EWWWW!
Off-topic post from http://www.feminist.org:
Frightening survey results from the University of Florida reveal the necessity of comprehensive sex education in schools. The Associated Press reports that the survey shows some Florida teens believe that drinking Mountain Dew or smoking marijuana will prevent pregnancy. Others believe that drinking bleach will prevent HIV infection. The Florida Senate Committee on Education approved the Healthy Teens Act in an attempt to educate students about their sexual health.
According to the University of Florida, most Florida schools teach from abstinence-only curricula, if they teach any sex education programs at all. The proposed legislation would require public schools to provide students with medically accurate information about pregnancy and sexually transmitted infections (STIs), reports the Florida Association of Planned Parenthood Affiliates.
(snip)
Florida has the sixth highest teen pregnancy rate in the US. A recent study by the University of Washington showed that students who receive comprehensive sex education are half as likely to become teen parents as those who receive abstinence-only sex education.
The key point is: Most Florida schools teach from abstinence-only curricula, if they teach any sex education programs at all…and…Florida has the sixth highest teen pregnancy rate in the US.
Here’s a good one about crisis pregnancy centers.
OH yeah, SoMG,
http://www.feminist.org:
another reputable source of unbiased info!
Why bring a way OFF-TOPIC issue on this very interesting and truthful post?
SoMG: Frightening survey results from the University of Florida reveal the necessity of comprehensive sex education in schools. The Associated Press reports that the survey shows some Florida teens believe that drinking Mountain Dew or smoking marijuana will prevent pregnancy.
I don’t think any amount of sex education is going to help some kids. Whoever said Mountain Dew could prevent pregnancy was either joking or high.
Florida has the sixth highest teen pregnancy rate in the US. A recent study by the University of Washington showed that students who receive comprehensive sex education are half as likely to become teen parents as those who receive abstinence-only sex education.
There are so many ways one could interpret the findings of your story. Perhaps those who have comprehensive sex ed are more likely to abort instead of carrying their pregnancy to term.
Instead of Comprehensive Sex Education or Abstinence Only Education, I would like to propose a third alternative: Sola Castitas. (Chastity alone.)
RSD:
Diversionary tactic?
Excellent post, Jill. It’s always refreshing to hear reporting from good people around the world.
… Obama’s position essentially boils down to this: a woman who contracts for an abortion is entitled, one way or another, to a dead baby.
No explanation necessary.
I guess the whole world is interested in who becomes the US president since He/ She(?) will be seen as THE leader of the free world.
So, in effect, the result of the upcoming elections is more of a GLOBAL concern rather than just a US one.
And the candidate who does not realize this will be in for a huge wake-up call.
“Instead of Comprehensive Sex Education or Abstinence Only Education, I would like to propose a third alternative: Sola Castitas. (Chastity alone.)”
Beautiful Janet! And I love the name…
RSD,
This story on Obama is pretty embarassing, isn’t it?
How can we possibly gain the trust and respect of the nations of the world when we are so horrible to our own defenseless babies, and have presidential candidates supporting the action as well?
We should all be embarassed as a country. Maybe, this will be the start of something. It may take a world wide coalition to eliminate abortion.
I agree, Janet…
I seem to read/ hear somewhere that part of the reason why Muslims hate us is because Mothers kill their babies and the West wants to bring this mentality (and promiscuous ways) to their culture…to them and the rest of the civilized world..babies are a blessing (not a punishment) and is the continuation of society…
I don’t think any amount of sex education is going to help some kids.
So we should deny them the information anyway?
I don’t think there’s anything wrong with telling kids that abstinence is a healthy alternative to sex. But I think there’s something grossly wrong about abstinence-only education in which children aren’t given accurate and thorough information.
I mean, it’s like teaching kindergarteners only six letters of the alphabet and expecting them to know which books not to read. That’s ridiculous.
Besides, everyone knows teens are experimental and rebellious. If you bore the hell out of them with the facts of sex, it may not be as intriguing as with the mysterious sex-after-marriage scenario.
How can we possibly gain the trust and respect of the nations of the world when we are so horrible to our own defenseless babies, and have presidential candidates supporting the action as well?
Well, I think abortion is the least of our worries right now, considering how embarrassing Bush is to our country and how much we’re being ridiculed by … oh… just about every other country in the world?
And since our dollar is shrinking in value compared to other nations, I think WE have more to worry about than what other countries think of our abortion laws.
Edyt,
(I hate to divert from the Obama topic here, but) I think parents need to be told that they are responsible for teaching their children sex-education in the home, in the context of their moral beliefs and at the age they deem appropriate. A parent who is ignoring this obligation is being a bad parent. Maybe we should be having sex-ed classes for parents, instead of children. That would free up time in the childrens’ classrooms for more reading, writing and arithmatic.
Edyt,
I just read your 3:50 post: I think if we don’t make THE RIGHT TO LIFE a PRIORITY, we, as a nation, are lost.
Janet,
I was homeschooled for half my education, so I am very acutely aware of my parent’s inability to teach me subjects such as science and math, whereas I was given an excellent English education.
Parents do not go to school to learn how to properly teach sex education. They do not learn about the efficiacy of condoms or statistics of STDs in teenagers. I agree that it would be a good idea to educate parents… but that’s a lot harder to do than teach kids who are already in school. When I got sex ed in high school, it was a part of my gym class (health division). Do I really feel I had wasted time I could have spent mindlessly running around a track? No, not really.
I believe parents should teach their children morals, yes, and if that includes when and who to have sex with… feel free to do so.
But I understand my mother does not have a background in health or medicine, so I don’t expect her to provide me with accurate and thorough information on the subject of sexual health.
We have gotten past the point of sex being a private matter. It is a health concern when STDs are being spread because kids and parents don’t know how to talk about it or what the right information is. That is why sex education is so important.
Besides, abstinence-only education fails to address the issue of marriage and divorce. Say we do get people to remain abstinent until marriage. What happens when they have sex after marriage? Must every sexual encounter result in pregnancy? What if one partner has an STD that was passed down through their parents (such as HIV from breastfeeding) and it was never diagnosed? Should their partner also be given HIV because they failed to use protection or diagnose the STD? What happens when people cheat or get divorced?
By failing to educate young people, they grow up to be uneducated adults who will further spread misinformation.
If germ theory had never been discovered and retold through the generations, we might still be practicing ineffective superstitious rituals every time someone gets a cold.
Education is the only way to prevent ignorance. Eventually you must admit not all parents are up to the task.
Janet – the right to life won’t save a withering economy.
Parents do not go to school to learn how to properly teach sex education. They do not learn about the efficiacy of condoms or statistics of STDs in teenagers. I agree that it would be a good idea to educate parents… but that’s a lot harder to do than teach kids who are already in school. When I got sex ed in high school, it was a part of my gym class (health division). Do I really feel I had wasted time I could have spent mindlessly running around a track? No, not really.
Maybe we could suggest a parent/teen sexual education class they can take together. I think this is a wise idea, because there would be less confusion on the parents part as to what they think their children are being taught, and the parents can offer their own personal insights to their teens.
And really, spare me all the “well some parents just don’t have the time” garbage. Since sex ed. and the health of our teens is SO important, I think parents could make it a priority to do this with their teens.
Hey Elizabeth, if you start a parent/teen sex ed class, I would support that 100 percent! (Providing the information is thorough and accurate, of course)
Maybe part of the problem is that we just haven’t figured out a good way to get those conversations started.
Edyt,
I just think putting the teens and their parents together is also a way that maybe less awkward for both sides to open the line of communication on sex.
If teens need the information, the parents should go to the sex ed classes.
They can then fulfil their duty which is to pass this information on as they see fit, to their children.
Why not give the information directly to the source?
I mean, making parents go is kind of like sending your friend off to your algebra class and hoping he takes good enough notes that you can learn the lesson too.
Haven’t you guys ever played the telephone game?
Edyt,
Are you trying to say that the parents who would attend these classes would not relay the necessary information to their children to keep them safe?
I personally think it would be good for the parents and kids to go together. The class would have activities and questions that the teens and parents can answer together about the knowledge they actually have of sex and sex-related topics. Having open and honest communication of such topics is important for the parent to be able to know what their child thinks about sex, and how to help them make positive choices.
Elizabeth,6:27:
I think you have a great idea. Grade schools are having sex-ed classes at night so parents can join their children. They could easily do this for high school age kids and parents too.
I am sick of this calm talking, swaggering, I can do no wrong attitude of Obama. He would probably kill a just-born, unwanted child if given the opportunity. No one is “that” good or “divine” as he tries to act. I don’t care what color his skin is either, I care what color he is on the inside and all I am seeing “is” black. America needs to get back to God and he is nowhere near Him as far as I have seen and read and heard. It was good enough for our country when it first got started and it is still good enough and the only thing, in my opinion (and many I have talked with) that is going to get this fallen, sick, laughed-at and comical-to-other-countries, country to its feet again. No man or woman has what it takes to reagin America’s values and standards set long ago without the help of our Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ. They just are not powerful enough or full of the love and wisdom it takes. The more they come, the uglier inside they are. I don’t really beleive that any candidate would even care what I, or any other American thinks on this subject because of the times, but I stand for and will lift up the name of my God with dignity and awe! And He is what America needs!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why is everyone so AGAINST the parents teaching their children about sex? This is one of the main duties of being a parent, ensuring that your child is given the correct knowledge in a way that respects their sexual and emotional development.
Classes do not accomplish this in the same manner. Instead a group of children of varying degrees of development are thrown together.
Patricia, 7:04 AMEN!
YOu know SoMG:
When you take God out of schools and hence the fear of God out of student’s hearts what will keep them from having immoral sex?
Your post is a waste.
Put God back in schools, put the Bible back in schools and abstinence curriculums will work.
“Where there is no vision, my people perish”
“When you take God out of schools and hence the fear of God out of student’s hearts what will keep them from having immoral sex?”
“immoral sex?” Okay, assuming we don’t want teenagers having sex, can’t we do it by education (parents or schools or both) and not be trying to lie them into a “fear of God?”
I didn’t have “immoral sex” in high school because I didn’t want my gf to get pregnant. I didn’t have the fear of God. I was aware of failure rates, and birth control, and things of that nature. We had good sex ed in my public school. However, I’m talking about the kind of sex that can make you pregnant. We did have other kinds of activities that you would probably lump together as “immoral sex.” No regrets here.
Sheila, you are correct
Hal, let’s just define what immoral sex as any type of sex outside of marriage.
Edyt: Education is a good thing for the Lord says in his Word to “get understanding”.
However, exactly what kind of understanding are you advocating we get?
One can garner all kinds of information on sex education that includes how to’s, how not to’s, when to’s, STDs, etc., etc., however, how does a 16 year old know how to apply all this information in the heat of the moment? If the desires of his or her flesh are not restrained by the Spirit of God that person is planting seeds of death into their life.
Any educational curriculum that does not contain exposure to and the study of God’s Word is at best, only fact collection and memorization.
Wisdom is the applied and proper use of one’s understanding tempered and moderated by the knowledge of God. Proverbs 1:7 “The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge, but fools despise wisdom and discipline.”
We reap what we sow.
Edyt, you are sowing seeds of unbelief and self-worship. Your harvest will be destruction. Consider that a statement of love.
If the desires of his or her flesh are not restrained by the Spirit of God that person is planting seeds of death into their life.
How so? Are you trying to say that the Spirit of God can stop one from making ANY bad decisions EVER?
Cause that’s unrealistic..people make bad decisions in regards to sex and in regards to anything sometimes. It does not mean they don’t have the Spirit of God within them. How exactly is it that they are planting the seeds of death then?
Hey, does any one know if the Born Alive Protection Act as saved any babies? Even one?
Doctors weren’t required to kill born alive babies before the Act passed were they?
Why is everyone so AGAINST the parents teaching their children about sex? This is one of the main duties of being a parent, ensuring that your child is given the correct knowledge in a way that respects their sexual and emotional development.
I’m not against parents teaching their children about sex. But I’m quite aware that most parents don’t have a background in health which means they are not qualified to teach it!
Would you want your children to be taught math from someone who has an English degree? Maybe basic math… but they couldn’t teach calculus.
I think Elizabeth’s idea of a joint class is a great idea, to teach both parents and children, and open up the discussion for parents to discuss when the right time is to have sex.
The joint class idea is very good, and in existance some places. My oldest daughter went to a joint class with my wife. Apparently it was very good, and quite detailed. That, plus what she gets in school (and at home), seems to have taught her what she needs to know. She has managed to become a wonderful and well adjusted young woman, without ever feeling the “fear of God.”
I’m not against parents teaching their children about sex. But I’m quite aware that most parents don’t have a background in health which means they are not qualified to teach it!
Amazing how people got through all the past thousands of years, teaching their children about sex without (gasp) having a background in health.
It’s not really that difficult to teach. It’s really very, very simple. Unless someone feel the need to complicate things, what really does a parent need a background in health for in order to teach their children about something they have experienced for themselves?
I’m not against parents teaching their children about sex. But I’m quite aware that most parents don’t have a background in health which means they are not qualified to teach it!
Maybe I should never put Neosporin on my kids scrapes, or use the thermometer when they have a fever, or administer doses of Children’s Sudafed when they’re sick. I should always make sure that a medical health professional takes care of those things, even if it costs me an arm and a leg to take them in each time they have a small boo boo.
For me to do it myself would be crazy!
Obviously I don’t have a degree or the qualification necessary to handle even the most minor of problems as those.
I guess I should never teach my children how to draw. Obviously, even though I am drawing professionally, since I have not taken formal lessons, or gotten some pretentious degree in art, I am not qualified to teach them about it and therefore I should leave the teaching to someone else.
I should never teach them how to drive a car when they get older. Even though I have been driving for years now, and am confident I could do so, I would be wrong to try to teach them how to drive when I obviously haven’t gotten a degree that tells me I’m qualified to do so.
In fact, I should just drop my kids off at a college and let those with degrees raise my children permanently, because what in the world is a lousy old uncertified parent good for, after all? @@
Absolutely nothing, if not aided by a person with a certified background, of course!
Since you brought up driving…. I think you might enjoy this.
So because it’s about Israel we say Oy?
That would be more analogous if teenagers “needed” sex like they need to drive cars, Edyt. To your credit, I’ll give you that it was a well written article.
However, it cannot be comparable, when you consider that 1 in 4 teenaged girls is getting an STD, which is not simply a temporary thing, but stays with them for the rest of their life, in many cases.
This is AFTER the rise of comprehensive sex education came into play, not before.
Why is it that the more we teach children about sex education, and the more we bombard them with condoms, the more they are getting STD’s?
Shouldn’t that rate be dropping steadily, the more that girls are given birth control pills or young men given condoms?
Why is it that the rate is continually skyrocketing, despite all of Sex Ed’s best efforts?
50 years ago, were they teaching sex ed like they are today? Were birth control options as available as they are today? And were teenaged girls getting STD’s at the same rate that they are today? Or was the rate higher, or lower?
This isn’t after the rise of comprehensive sex ed!
1996-2006: Title V funding for abstinence only. For the first 5 years, every state but California participated.
In 2000 (after Bush took office) CBAE became the largest source of abstinence-only funding. Most states continue participating in Title V (for the funding) though more and more are dropping out as they find results unsatisfactory.
I’m not going to go into how ineffective this kind of education is, but if you consider that anyone undergoing sex ed from 1996 to present would most likely have undergone abstinence-only sex ed (except student in California and the number of states that have dropped federal funding in the past few years), it’s not surprising that STD rates are higher.
Eighth graders (14 year olds) in 1996 are now 26. The ones from 2000 (which had the highest amount of funding) are now 22.
Plenty of time for misinformation to spread downwards through brothers and sisters, as well as teachers.
And… the don’t NEED to drive cars. Tell them to ride bikes or rollerblade or take public transit. ;)
Or their (married) parents can drive them.
And… the don’t NEED to drive cars. Tell them to ride bikes or rollerblade or take public transit. ;)
While taking the school bus may reduce their risk of getting into an accident, it wouldn’t prevent it entirely. And their parents driving for them wouldn’t reduce the risk either.
Edyt, re: 8:31
I am not talking about a simple 10 year period of time, here. I am talking about a 50 year period of time, which is why I asked about stats on 50 years ago, before they had comprehensive sex ed. Maybe I should go to 60 years ago, instead of 50. I keep forgetting that 1950 isn’t 50 years ago anymore. lol
am: So because it’s about Israel we say Oy?
Why not? Learning a foreign language is a good thing.
In fact, I should just drop my kids off at a college and let those with degrees raise my children permanently, because what in the world is a lousy old uncertified parent good for, after all?
Absolutely nothing, if not aided by a person with a certified background, of course!
Bethany, you mean, you’re going around TEACHING your kids? WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU?!!! Shouldn’t you be letting all those daycare workers with DEGREES in childcare raise your kiddies? They are probably MUCH more qualified since they have that big, important piece of paper that says they went to all these classes about taking care of kids, and they now KNOW more than you or I do about how to raise our kids.
Elizabeth, you’re right! Absolutely right. I should be ashamed of myself for assuming I could take care of my own children in my own (non-certified/non-qualified) home without having consulted certified professionals first. ;-) lol Shame on me!
From now on, I’ll make sure that with every step my children make, they will be followed and assisted by bonified, certified, glorified, card carrying, legitimate, Gen-u-Whine, official know-it-alls, and certainly not brainless stupidos like Mommy and Daddy!
Bethany,
Let’s go read some books about how to take care of our kids…maybe THAT would help us!
To Janet:
Ok I didn’t want to make this a big deal as it wasn’t the point of this blog post, it just irked me. I’ve been able to read Hebrew for about eleven years now, and I’ve never come across “Oy” as an actual word. It’s usually a) what people say when they are mocking Jews or b) what people say when trying to be funny when talking about something Jewish-related. As I said, don’t wanna harp on this. Just had to make that point :)
am: 12:23:
Thanks for the response. I didn’t realize there might be a negative connotation of the word. I googled the phrase and found several interesting references. Wikipedia has a photo of a street sign by a New York bridge that states “Leaving Brooklyn – oy vey!” To me it sounds a lot like the Spanish “Ay!” which means “Oh”.
I had never heard of “oy!” with a negative connotation either. I had to google it last night to make sure, as well. ;)
am:12:23, I am sure that Jill didn’t mean it in a negative way…she may have never realized there was a negative meaning to the word either. I’m very sorry that it caused you offense.
I hope you’ll jump into our conversations again soon! You’re always welcome here.
Oh no, I wasn’t offended. Just thought Jill might want to realize that some people might be. And maybe I’ll start using my real name here soon!!
Great to hear it! I look forward to getting to know you. :)
Janet – the right to life won’t save a withering economy.
Posted by: Edyt at April 4, 2008 4:14 PM
Absolutely false.
There are no economic systems that function with a shrinking population.
Population growth and economic growth go hand in hand.
Luckily the US has a treasure trove of immigrants with a strong work ethic flowing in from south of the border. Otherwise we could actually have the withering economy that population control fanaticism brings on.
Janet – the right to life won’t save a withering economy.
Posted by: Edyt at April 4, 2008 4:14 PM
The right to life is about saving life.
hippie, Anon:
So true!