Please stand with Phill Kline
The KS primary election is in less than 3 weeks.
The most watched and important race is for Johnson Co. District Attorney Republican nominee: Phill Kline vs. the establishment opponent who will drop the only criminal case in the U.S. against Planned Parenthood.
As many of you have followed, Kline filed 107 charges against Comprehensive Health of PP of KS and Mid-MO in October 2007.
Since then, PP has wielded all its influence in a state run under pro-abortion Gov. Kathleen Sebelius to delay the evidence from ever getting before a jury. PP’s plan: run out the clock on Kline’s term in office. Kline has courageously fought against overwhelming odds to enforce the law against this $1 billion abortion cartel.
Now, Kline needs the help of the nationwide pro-life community. There is no one else but us. The only way Kline can get his message of truth out is to go around the Kansas City Star with a final days, aggressive, multi-faceted ad campaign. (Recall KCS has pounded Kline since the day he took office, re-earning the “Maggie Award” PP gave it in 2006 for helping unseat Kline in the Attorney General’s race.)…
Phill needs to raise $300,000 in a week. To reach that goal, StandwithPhill.com has launched a “$50 for Phill” campaign. 6,000 people or families must contribute. Please be one. View this inspiring video of Kline’s long battle to bring PP to justice and then participate in the “$50 for Phill” campaign to help him get his word out around the liberal media. If Kline doesn’t win on August 5, the 5 year battle to get the only criminal case against PP will be lost forever.
There are encouraging signs. On July 5, Kline won a straw poll of 130 Republican leaders by a landslide in Olathe County – where the PP abortion mill is located. His competitor’s campaign manager was heard to mutter, “Sh**!” after Phill gave this unity speech before the group.
A pro-life group called Victim’s Voice Foundation, Inc. has also been running powerful radio ads to show the strong prosecutor Phill Kline is and expose what the KCS will not tell the public. Whenever Kline’s office successfully prosecutes a case, for instance, the KCS does not state his name, only citing “the prosecutor’s office.” These ads go around KCS to the public.
Listen to the ad outting the KCS for censoring Kline’s accomplishments here. Hear the ad about Kline’s prosecution of the infamous Kaufman House here.
Please sacrificially contribute to Kline’s race today at StandwithPhil.com.
And please forward this message to your pro-life lists.
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
I’m in and I’m forwarding!
This is one where we ought to have bipartisan support and common ground. Only the most rabid abortion fanatic would want to establish that having deep pockets and friends in high places means that you are above the law.
If I have the money to get my labret redone (which I did earlier today! WOOHOO!!), I can contribute to this cause. I hope we actually accomplish something.
Yes, your comments have been deleted, PP and SoMG.
Yes, I had to abandon that thread, because it had stopped accepting posts from my phone as threads here often do. I’m glad you brought it back though, as I had worked up quite an answer to your questions…let me see if I can remember it verbatum: I haven’t researched Turkey very well, but if pressed, I’d have to blame vast corruption perpetrated against various factions within the country which has nothing to do with a functioning democracy and everything to do with the involved parties opting for violence over proper procedure within a democratic system. Russia never really had a properly functioning, democratic, representative government. If you’ve ever seen hidden camera footage from independent sources within the country, you’d know that certain entities have always been pulling the strings (the KGB) either with leadership or individuals on their own…they’re just being more forthcoming with it now that one of their own is the man in control of the country. The veneer of freedom is falling off.
I’m sorry, Carla. I didn’t realize that was an invalid line of conversation. And, I meant “verbatim”.
You’re good, X. As per Jill’s instructions,certain comments will not stand on this thread.
why were mine deleted? I just said there was apparently no case against Planned Parenthood.
Hal, can you go to the archives to the last Tiller thread and answer a question I posted for you?
Jill, speaking of donations. I never got an e-mail I had expected on where/who to make the check out to when I sponsored your walk several weeks ago. MK has my e-mail if you can still make it happen.
Hal, should a father be able to opt out of responsibility up until birth via legal writ since he has no legal decision over wether or not woman kills said child during pregnancy?
Posted by: truthseeker at July 16, 2008 11:16 AM
I’m not sure about that one. I see pros and cons. I know many men would say yes. But, if the baby is born, he/she would probably need the support of its father. Financial and otherwise. I’m generally not in favor of unmarried people having children (not that I think the government should have the power to prohibit it)
Is one permitted to ask how many abortions Phil Kline is likely to prevent? Estimations and reasons, please.
Is one permitted to ask how many abortions Phil Kline is likely to prevent? Estimations and reasons, please.
Posted by: SoMG at July 17, 2008 12:02 AM
If he wins his lawsuits against PP then I would guess thousands because PP would likely get defunded of federal funding which in turn would decrease PP’s ability to build abortion mills and market to children.
I’m not sure about that one. I see pros and cons.
Posted by: hal at July 16, 2008 11:39 PM
What are some of major the pros and cons as you see it?
Many, SoMG, because of what ts said…but for me, that’s not so much the important part as it is the fact that if someone “helped” my daughter get an abortion illegally and without my consent, I’d want the law to be enforced and that person or institution punished to the full extent of the law. Just freaking look at all these charges against them! Where is law enforcement?! Oh, right…it’s with Phil Kline. By the way, was my answer to your previous question satisfactory? I’d hate to let you down after you’ve expressed such high regard for my intelligence, and I’m just so fond of you the thought of falling short of your highest expectation just kills me…*snicker*
“Truthseeker”, shutting down PP would cause a small increase in the cost of contraception, a small decrease in the knowledge of contraception, and a small increase in the cost of abortion which would still be many times smaller than the cost of not having an abortion. You really think this would prevent thousands of abortions? You seem very sure the small increase in the cost of abortion would outweigh the small increase in the cost of contraception, which would increase unwanted pregnancy because not everyone is celibate until marriage like Sargent Neil Howie in THE WICKER MAN (1973) although of course we all should be. Unless you hypothesize that the small increase in cost of contraceptives would make people less likely to have sex with each other before marriage which is contradicted by experiences such as the USSR in the 1980s and Holland today.
Xalisae, you wrote: “I haven’t researched Turkey very well, but if pressed, I’d have to blame vast corruption perpetrated against various factions within the country which has nothing to do with a functioning democracy and everything to do with the involved parties opting for violence over proper procedure within a democratic system. ”
First of all I’m not talking violent Islamic revolution in Turkey, I’m talking about the possibility of them voting Islamists in. Secondly, it sounds like you are saying on the one hand that secular democracy is the inevitable result in the natural order of societal progression–so inevitable that you’re quite sure that Iraq will become one–but also there are other forces that work against it and may succeed in transforming Turkey from a secular democracy into an Islamist state. What makes you so certain similar forces won’t prevail in Iraq?
You wrote: “Russia never really had a properly functioning, democratic, representative government.”
Why not, if secular democracy is the inevitable result in the natural order of societal progression?
Also it seems very likely that Denmark will go from functionally-democratic symbolic monarchy to Islamic sooner or later.
Here’s the key question: if secular democracy is the inevitable result in the natural order of societal progression, why did it require a traumatic event like the Revolution of the American Colonies to create the first one?
Truthseeker, 11:23p: Thanks so much for your donation! I’ll check on the status of invoices.
Phil Kline has my donation….
Ditto
Yeah!
Ugh. PP is just so tangled up in the abortion-providing bloodbath it cannot function as it should any longer, and it shouldn’t recieve public funding. We need a middle-of-the-road nonprofit to help poor women with their contraceptive needs, one that doesn’t have such a conflict of interest over also making a great deal of money by providing abortions. I wish I could start my own organization to help women with contraception, give them the pill and fit them for a diaphram also, stress the importance of using a condom EVERY TIME while giving norplant or whatever…
This is really off-topic but does anyone here know if women with irregular cycles can use NFP? Does irregularity affect the failure rate?
Hey there Alexandra.
Yes, absolutely women with irregular cycles can use it. The methods aren’t based in the least on a standard 28-day cycle and extrapolate or anything like that. That is what makes modern NFP superior to the old rhythm method. A couple of the more popular NFP methods are the billings method and the sympto-thermal method. You can learn about these (which account for the fact that women have all sorts of different cycles) and other methods on the Couple to Couple League website. Hope that helps. God love you.
SoMG, a proper democracy has to have certain safeguards in place to ensure that they persist intact. One of those very important measures is a well-defined separation of religious entities and the state. Having a democracy is one thing. Having a stable, well thought out system in place is something totally different, and I think Turkey’s lack of that is evidenced by the near-constant fighting going on within their territory. Just the fact that all these countries seem to be attempting (albeit failing in many instances) secular democracies is your sign. Kind of like an F student that starts making that extra effort to get good grades and pulls it up to a D…The real change isn’t going to come though until some sort of violent upheaval towards real, permanent change (in this simile, that’d be like the student giving up video games to study or starting to attend tutoring on their own)
Xalisae,
Shame our safeguards aren’t holding up. We had a pretty good thing going, then people go and run all amok over the Constitution and all of a sudden freedom and democracy go away…
Meh. I think they’re holding up alright. Our Bill of Rights is pretty sturdy, and our judges tend to err on the side of caution more often than not.
Thanks Bobby. I knew that NFP is more complex than just rhythm but I guess I don’t know much about how irregular you can be and still have it be effective.
Alexandra: If you buy a basal thermometer at a drug store, there should be instructions on how to use it for checking your temperature each morning… that’s a way to start learning about NFP.
Hmmm. It appears that my comment suggesting I might donate to Kline’s Republican opponent was deleted, as well. It probably fell on deaf ears here, anyway.
Well, I don’t usually go to anti-bush websites, tell them how much i love bush, then expect them to kiss my rear and pat my back, then bunch my panties up in a wad when they don’t.
Ray,
there were special rescritions on this thread only.
You seem very sure the small increase in the cost of abortion would outweigh the small increase in the cost of contraception, which would increase unwanted pregnancy because not everyone is celibate until marriage like Sargent Neil Howie in THE WICKER MAN (1973) although of course we all should be.
Posted by: SoMG at July 17, 2008 1:24 AM
SoMG,
You are missing one of the main points in why the number of abortions would decrease. PP engages in marketing to children and political maneuvering to keep parents from influencing their children not to engage in promiscuos behaviour and not to commit abortion. How manyy abortions does PP perform a year. They count on all the kids who go to their teenwire website then going to PP for abortions. Take their influence down 10% and you stop thousands of abortions.
Xalisae, Jill has claimed in the past that she welcomes debate and opposing views.
“Truthseeker”, I dispute that marketing contraceptives increases sexual behavior. I know of no evidence for that hypothesis. There is no doubt, however, that providing low-cost contraceptives decreases the rate at which sexually active women get pregnant.
SoMG: “Truthseeker”, I dispute that marketing contraceptives increases sexual behavior. I know of no evidence for that hypothesis. There is no doubt, however, that providing low-cost contraceptives decreases the rate at which sexually active women get pregnant.
I heard this stat on the radio yesterday. In 1960, 3-5% of births were to single mothers. Currently, 30% of births are to single mothers. This change coming since contraceptives have been marketed. It seems to have increased sexual behavior of unmarried girls. Imagine how many more births to single mothers there would be if abortion was illegal.
No, Janet, the increase in sexual behavior of unmarried girls could be due to something else.
I bet in 1960 girls got married earlier.
Hal: But, if the baby is born, he/she would probably need the support of its father. Financial and otherwise.
Right – society is saying that it’s a matter of the welfare of the child at that point, rather than weighing the desires of the woman and man against each other.
SoMG: No, Janet, the increase in sexual behavior of unmarried girls could be due to something else. I bet in 1960 girls got married earlier.
On average, yes. BUT, the ones who got married at a later age were most likely not having sex before marriage either. It wasn’t until contraceptives were marketed that premarital sex became more “acceptable”.
That’s a common assumption, Janet, but it’s not necessarily a correct one. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16287113/
I agree that premarital sex became more “acceptable” after contraception — but in public opinion rather than in practice.
I’m also curious to know how many of those “single mothers” are actually in a relationship with their child’s father and are just remaining unmarried for financial or personal reasons because that’s more of an option these days because unmarried couples with children are less stigmatised…not that I find anything wrong with that.
The stigma attached to being a single mother declined drastically over the years. That’s much more of a reason for the increasing prevalence than contraception.
X: I’m also curious to know how many of those “single mothers” are actually in a relationship with their child’s father and are just remaining unmarried for financial or personal reasons because that’s more of an option these days because unmarried couples with children are less stigmatised…not that I find anything wrong with that.
The guy I work with the most has been with a woman for over 20 years. They got married, and before the year was up, they were divorced. New Year’s Eve had them partying separately, toasting the fact that they weren’t married to each other any more.
During the following year they got back together, and eventually had a son (who now has a son of his own). They’re just not married now….
I agree that premarital sex became more “acceptable” after contraception — but in public opinion rather than in practice.
Posted by: Alexandra at July 18, 2008 3:03 PM
Do you mean it still wasn’t acceptable on the individual or family level?
Janet —
I mean it was “acceptable” pre-contraception, if you take acceptable to mean common-place. But I think it was more “acceptable” after contraception became widely available in terms of the public attitude towards pre-marital sex.
First let me state that as I have aged I have become more libertarian. I appreciate the freedom I have been allowed to live in and believe that each and everyone in this world should be able to live the life they want to as long as they do not infringe on the right of others to live the life that they want. Government should provide a safety net and protect the nation. Government should not fund pork barrel projects or make despots in other countries multimillionaires with foreign aid. I still struggle with moral issues such as euthanasia, having seen my father struggle with the final stages of cancer. It seemed barbaric to force him to die by withholding food and water. I personally don’t have a viable alternative that I am comfortable with, but thank goodness for hospice and the caring people who daily deal with the end of life with dignity and compassion for the dying and those who must carry on. Regarding abortion, I have not made up my mind. I can connect with my ProLife friends and understand the moral position they take. However, the libertarian in me pulls me the freedom of choice side. This is especially true when it comes to the issues of rape and incest. Perhaps I will wake one morning and everything will be crystal clear but for now I straddle the fence. Concerning the death penalty, I am against it. I also really hate being manipulated, especially by politicians! Spin doctors are the same as slime. Tell the truth and we can deal with it.
Now you have the information you need to evaluate what I am about to say and I thank you for reading and hope you will continue.
First, Olathe is a city in Johnson County, Kansas. There is NO Olathe County.
Second, does anyone else find it worth discussion that Mr. Kline says he is fighting for the unborn because he believes in the sanctity of human life BUT, he has no problem with seeking the death penalty and the state carrying it out? Since most people who are ProLife or ProChoice advocates see this issue in black and white with no gray, I am troubled by just how gray Mr. Kline’s position is.
Third, why is it taking Mr. Kline so long to move forward on the PP case? There are those that think that he does not want a verdict in the case until after the elections. They argue that this way he has a cause to trumpet in order to raise funds for the election.
It has been whispered that should he not be elected as the candidate in the primary or loses in the general election, he would be a “tragic hero” and his value on the lecture circuit would be increased, thus allowing him to charge more for his appearances. Personally, I don’t know about these things, but if I were his booking manager I think it would be an easier sale to get the big bucks if I could present Mr. Kline as someone who tried to make a difference BUT, was prevented from completing his task by RINO’s (Republicans In Name Only) and the liberals in Johnson County versus one who tried the PP case and lost.
Hey folks,
Some news from Johnson County…
Mr. Kline lost in the primaries. As an actual resident of the county in which he became DA (he was never voted by the people of this county, but by a Republican committee), I’m glad that all the posturing, praising, and outside money didn’t sway the sanity of our county voters yesterday.