Weekend question
Two Catholics with supposedly opposing views on abortion are said to be on Barack Obama’s VP short list: KS Gov. Kathleen Sebelius and VA Gov. Tim Kaine.
Sebelius states she is personally pro-life but in all her actions is a flagrant pro-abort and has even been asked by her bishop to refrain from receiving communion.
Kaine has more fooled. He professes to be pro-life and has many on the other side worried, but he is not pro-life. National Right to Life goes so far as to call Kaine “pro-abortion”….
Pro-lifers disdain Sebelius and distrust Kaine. Pro-aborts disdain and distrust Kaine.
Now talk of both as prospective VP picks has incited another pro-abort battle within the Democrat Party, just when their major rift over Obama and Clinton was abating.
Whether you are liberal or conservative, and strategically speaking, who would you pick as Obama’s VP nominee if given only those 2 options, and why?
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
Sebelius, obviously, for her proven pro-choice record.
Sebelius, since her proven pro-choice record will turn many a conservative off.
Back from Yellowstone and I see that abortion is still safe, legal, and (but not) rare, the mantra of those who I call, “abortion hypocriticos”.
These two, with signs on their foreheads (only visible to those who can see through the veil) that read “will sell soul for power”, equally serve satan and both would be good (or should I say bad) choices for Barack’s VP. Sebelius may calm some of the rabid woman sexists Hillarious supporters out there that think one’s gender is the only qualifier for leadership.
By the way, Yellowstone confirmed four things for me: 1) God’s power and majesty are absoulute, 2) God is in control, 3) Heaven will be more beautiful than any of us can imagine, and 4) Tree huggers that do not acknowledge God or His existence based on the overwhleming evidence in His unspolied creation are, well, stupid.
HisMan, welcome back! I observe all the same when surrounded by nature. Re: point #4, Romans 1 comes to mind.
Reality, 11:16a, and Carder, 11:47a: I see it that way, too, from both the liberal and conservative perspective. Interesting, eh?
I don’t really know enough about either to say which I would rather see. Abortion is not at the top of the list of things I care about in a candidate.
Welcome back, HisMan!! Glad you had a great time in God’s country!!
These 2 make me sicker than any pro-abort. disgraceful.
According to the Catholic Catechism these two should make every effort to STOP abortion. They
need to reflect on the passages below from the Catechism is they want to honestly call themselves Catholic.
2258 “Human life is sacred because from its beginning it involves the creative action of God and it remains for ever in a special relationship with the Creator, who is its sole end. God alone is the Lord of life from its beginning until its end: no one can under any circumstance claim for himself the right directly to destroy an innocent human being.”56
2268 The fifth commandment forbids direct and intentional killing as gravely sinful. The murderer and those who cooperate voluntarily in murder commit a sin that cries out to heaven for vengeance.69
Infanticide,70 fratricide, parricide, and the murder of a spouse are especially grave crimes by reason of the natural bonds which they break. Concern for eugenics or public health cannot justify any murder, even if commanded by public authority.
They call themselves Catholics? More from the Catechism, which “Catholics” must adhere to.
2270 Human life must be respected and protected absolutely from the moment of conception. From the first moment of his existence, a human being must be recognized as having the rights of a person – among which is the inviolable right of every innocent being to life.72
2271 Since the first century the Church has affirmed the moral evil of every procured abortion. This teaching has not changed and remains unchangeable. Direct abortion, that is to say, abortion willed either as an end or a means, is gravely contrary to the moral law:
2272 Formal cooperation in an abortion constitutes a grave offense. The Church attaches the canonical penalty of excommunication to this crime against human life. “A person who procures a completed abortion incurs excommunication latae sententiae,”77 “by the very commission of the offense,”78 and subject to the conditions provided by Canon Law.79 The Church does not thereby intend to restrict the scope of mercy. Rather, she makes clear the gravity of the crime committed, the irreparable harm done to the innocent who is put to death, as well as to the parents and the whole of society.
2273 The inalienable right to life of every innocent human individual is a constitutive element of a civil society and its legislation:
“The inalienable rights of the person must be recognized and respected by civil society and the political authority. These human rights depend neither on single individuals nor on parents; nor do they represent a concession made by society and the state; they belong to human nature and are inherent in the person by virtue of the creative act from which the person took his origin. Among such fundamental rights one should mention in this regard every human being’s right to life and physical integrity from the moment of conception until death.”80
“The moment a positive law deprives a category of human beings of the protection which civil legislation ought to accord them, the state is denying the equality of all before the law. When the state does not place its power at the service of the rights of each citizen, and in particular of the more vulnerable, the very foundations of a state based on law are undermined. . . . As a consequence of the respect and protection which must be ensured for the unborn child from the moment of conception, the law must provide appropriate penal sanctions for every deliberate violation of the child’s rights.”81
2274 Since it must be treated from conception as a person, the embryo must be defended in its integrity, cared for, and healed, as far as possible, like any other human being.
Prenatal diagnosis is morally licit, “if it respects the life and integrity of the embryo and the human fetus and is directed toward its safe guarding or healing as an individual. . . . It is gravely opposed to the moral law when this is done with the thought of possibly inducing an abortion, depending upon the results: a diagnosis must not be the equivalent of a death sentence.”82
2275 “One must hold as licit procedures carried out on the human embryo which respect the life and integrity of the embryo and do not involve disproportionate risks for it, but are directed toward its healing the improvement of its condition of health, or its individual survival.”83
“It is immoral to produce human embryos intended for exploitation as disposable biological material.”84
“Certain attempts to influence chromosomic or genetic inheritance are not therapeutic but are aimed at producing human beings selected according to sex or other predetermined qualities. Such manipulations are contrary to the personal dignity of the human being and his integrity and identity”85 which are unique and unrepeatable.
Well, if I didn’t live in KS, I’d choose Sebelius, but she is needed here. So Kaine.
Jill, are you covering Sarah’s Law?
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-abortion2-2008aug02,0,2378844.story
And I don’t think Obama will choose either of them.
I think I’d choose Wes Clark if it were up to me.
Wes Clark. Why? Never heard of him.
He’s a very smart, white war hero. High ranking general.
HisMan: Welcome back. Sounds like you had an awesome time! I’m sooo jealous!
As a Catholic I’m ashamed of both of these politicians. Tim Kaine would probably appeal to the independent voter – male, tries to sound conservative but is a liberal.He might anger some on the hard left. I think Kathleen Sebelius would appeal to most democrats but will be unable to hide her strong pro-abortion record since her Bishop had the courage to deny her communion. Something rarely done (should be done more often)but it means she had to be really flagrant for him to take this strong position. She would probably also appeal to the women who are angry about Hillary. Let’s pray that Obama continues his bad judgment and picks the wrong VP candidate.
“He’s a very smart, white war hero. High ranking general.”
who believes it’s not a baby until the Mother brings the baby home from the hospital.
quoted during the 2004 presidential campaign.
I’ll give him credit to his service to the country, but he’s not the brightest bulb in the closet.
Jasper 4:02am
George Lincoln Rockwell, a very smart white man in the US navy, a reserve commander, who coordinated air support for the retaking of Guam in WW2.
He also founded the American Nazi Party.
Wesley Clark is a general who is simply a political opportunist.
A review of his past statments reveals he is not a man of character and integrity.
He would be a most dangerous VP selection.
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Mike,
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HisMan: I see that abortion is still safe, legal, and (but not) rare
Well, it’s still a worthy goal, versus the number of abortions that occur now, wouldn’t you say? Pro-Choicers don’t simply “want women to have abortions,” per se – they want them to be free to do the best thing for them, and if societal changes occurred that made the desire for abortion less, it’d be fine with Pro-Choicers.
Doug,
Why is making abortion “rare” a worthy goal?
Doug,
Why is making abortion “rare” a worthy goal?
Posted by: Mary at August 3, 2008 2:10 PM
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Do you not think that the necessity of medical intervention becoming rare is a worthy goal?
Sally,
You didn’t answer my question.
Doug,
Why is making abortion “rare” a worthy goal?
Posted by: Mary at August 3, 2008 2:10 PM
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Do you not think that the necessity of medical intervention becoming rare is a worthy goal?
Posted by: Sally at August 3, 2008 6:27 PM
Sally,
You didn’t answer my question.
Posted by: Mary at August 3, 2008 7:06 PM
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My answer is easily found within my question.
Sally,
OK. Has anyone argued that cosmetic surgery should be “rare”?
@Mary: If they haven’t, then they should. Plastic surgery is a waste of medical equipment for any other reason other than reconstructive surgeries.
Personally, I think “calf implants” are the most stupid thing I’ve ever heard done…who the hell would what what are nothing more than glorified boob jobs done on their legs?
Rae, lol, I don’t know.
Rae,
Like Lauren I lol :) You’re a hoot. However when you’re a broken down old broad like me, it looks pretty appealling. I’d have to stand on my head to figure out where anything belongs anymore.
Aw, Mary I’m sure you look wonderful!
Also, I think everyone looks much better when they embrace their aging, rather than try to hike things up to where they never were to begin with!
@Mary: Meh, I really shouldn’t talk, I was goaded into getting breast reduction surgery by my mom when I was 18…which is technically plastic surgery/cosmetic surgery, though my insurance covered it as “reconstructive surgery” because so much tissue had to be removed.
I still feel dirty for getting “cosmetic” surgery considering how much I hate the stuff.
Lauren,
Sure, so long as I stand on my head. You are a dear and thank you. I just can’t remember where anything ever was. You’re certainly right about being age appropriate. Short-shorts and tank tops on a, shall we say, more mature woman, don’t cut it!
Rae, it’s ok. I had cosmetic dentistry. I mean, there’s braces, and then there’s having teath pulled, braces, headgear ect.
Of course, my teeth were *really* bad, but I don’t see how what I did is any different than getting a nose job. To me there’s different levels of plastic surgery.
There’s you have a feature that is really out of the ordinary and bothersome and causing you great distress, and there’s “I want bigger boobs!” (Now this isn’t to say that all boob jobs are superfulous)
Anyways, I don’t think poorly of anyone having plastic surgery, but I do think that it can definitely go overboard and do more harm than good.
Haha, Mary, I just had a baby and I put on some shorts that *used* to be plenty long and appropriate, and let’s just say I have a bit more “junk in the trunk” now and they were WAY WAY to short for a mother of two (or anyone for that matter, but especially a grown woman!)
Also, totally off topic, but I really like Paul Wilburs Messianic Jewish music and I highly recommend it!
Rae,
My goodness don’t be so hard on yourself. Breast reduction surgery is a necessity and a great help to so many women. That was not cosmetic surgery my dear, but very necessary surgery.
Looking at me you’d never know that endowed women run in my family. Somewhere the DNA got lost or reshuffled where I was concerned.
Rae, don’t feel bad. I know how sometimes you can loathe the idea of something, or loathe the idea of being lumped in with the type of person who is “for” something, but still be in a position to want to take advantage of it.
I try not to say anything about any of it because you never really know where a person’s coming from. Yeah, the surgery addict with gross cheekbones and butt implants is an easy target, but there are lots of levels that come before that. People get surgery for all kinds of “cosmetic” reasons that have more to do with physical comfort or medical issues than with vanity.
Also, physical comfort and medical issues aside, it can be tough to find a balance between wanting the world to accept women the way they are, and wanting to be accepted by the world.
Lauren,
My congragulations on your new baby. How exciting. My “baby” is now a paralegal and is 21 years old.
Please fill us in on the details.
Don’t worry about the “junk in the trunk”. That will come off quickly enough with two children.
When you’re my age its bag, sag, and drag.
Alexandra, 9:02PM
Excellent points.
By the way I was almost named Alexandra, my father’s family was Russian, and wish I had been. Its such a beautiful name.
Thanks, Mary! You know something funny, my middle name is my mother’s maiden name, which starts with an M and isn’t hideous but isn’t particularly beautiful. People would always ask me what the M stood for, and I’d say “Mary” because I wished that was my middle name instead — I wanted a pretty middle name!
Let’s see my little Anna was born on the 12 of July.
She was another c-section baby because I’m and idiot.
No, really, I was almost one of those women who gives birth in her car. I had been having contractions for..oh…two months, and when I started having *slightly* more contractions I figured that they were just more of the same.
After a few hours I decided that it was worth it to go ahead and go into the hospital (it was a sat. so I couldn’t just go to my doctors office) and have them check me out and send me home.
I wasn’t really in any pain, just having lots of uncomfortable contractions.
Well we get to the hospital and they check me and ask me how dialated I was at my last visit. Zip, I reply. Well now I was apparantly 3 cm and all of the sudden it was an emergency situation to get me to have a c-section since my last c-section was so early in the pregnancy (31 weeks)
So…they kick my husband and my 3 year old out (we didn’t have anyone to watch him since we thought we were just going to be sent home!) Then they prep me for surgery, and within the hour I had my baby.
It was a whirlwind. Now, I understand that there will be some who feel it is unfair that I’ve now had two children without being in any real pain, but I really wanted to have a natural birht so the c-sections were really a disappointment.
Anyways, she was 5lbs 11oz and looks just like her daddy.
Alexandra 9:20PM
Thank you so much. I’m very touched. Mary came from my father’s sister and my middle name is a modification of his name “Alec”. My mother said I was almost named “Alexandra” which would have been close to “Alec”. I’ve always thought that such a beautiful name and was sorry she never named me that. If only we could name ourselves!
Now, I understand that there will be some who feel it is unfair that I’ve now had two children without being in any real pain, but I really wanted to have a natural birht so the c-sections were really a disappointment.
eesh, come on now, Lauren, we know THAT’S not true! I had a c-section too, and there’s PLENTY of pain! Now, granted not during the actual birthing process, no, but after! Oh man, I had the worst migraines the first few days after my c-section (I think they’re called spinal headaches?) Yeah THOSE were awesome! Oh, and that c-section scar healing was a breeeeeeze! NOT! Ouch! The moment I remember the most pain was when I went to the bathroom, and I came out crying with my pants around my ankles to my mom asking her to pull my pants up because it hurt toooooo much for me to do it. Seriously, c-sections are PLENTY painful, but I’m sure you know that as well.
Having a baby is painful any way you do it girlie!
Lauren,
Congratulations. I’m very happy for you and your family.
All my babies were natural childbirth, luckily the last two “fell out”, as opposed to the first who took 22 hours.
My oldest looks like Gwyneth Paltrow and my youngest daughter looks like Hillary Duff. My boy is my dream child and has always loved his mom. If I had a dozen like him my life would have been a breeze! This is a kid I dragged kicking and screaming through high school and who passed calculus with a B+ in his senior year. ARRRRGH.
Alexandra,
Come to think of it my mother could have called me Alexandra Mary and covered all bases!
Haha, Elizabeth…soo true about the recovery. I was doing really well until the hardcore pain meds wore off and then OUCH.
Right now I just get sore if I do too much during any given 24 hour period. Today it looks like I might have overdone it a bit and I’m sure I’ll be paying for it tonight. Oh well, I;m just happy that she got here safe and sound!
Me too Lauren!
My baby had a knot in her cord and it was around her throat several times, which we didn’t know when I was already going to have the c-section, so I’m pretty sure it was just meant to be!
I’m definitely greatful c-sections exist.
My 1st was transverse and would not have been able to be born unless by c-section.
Elizabeth,
Good grief, the same thing happened to a co-worker of mine. In fact I was in on the c-section. Her delivery is what motivated me to become pregnant again, which only involved catching my husband at a weak moment.
I had the daughter I otherwise would never have, since I’ve lost my oldest daughter to mental illness.
Truly strange how things work out.
Mary, may I ask what sort of mental illness?
Lauren,
Certainly. She suffers from borderline personality disorder, as did my father, which I came to discover in the course of my research. You can google this condition and get a wealth of information. After doing my research I could only say, “Thank God I have an answer”.
Thankfully I’ve been able to share this info with other parents who are in the same quandry I was in so many years ago.
I’ve heard of it. I’m sorry to hear that your daughter is dealing with it.
Lauren,
Thank you for your concern. Its a difficult disorder as it is not easily treatable and is very complex. Personality disorders are more brain wiring than anything and unlike other forms of mental illness, not easily treatable with drugs and therapy. These are people who can otherwise appear to function normally and you likely encounter them in your everyday life and never know it.
The most important thing is to understand what you are dealing with, to know what you can expect and what you can never hope for.
I’m very thankful for the internet and the info on it. Otherwise, I’m sure I would still be floundering.
Of course, Mary. I had a friend in highschool with BPD, and while she was so, so smart, she really struggled with self-harm/ relationships.
I think it’s good to get awareness of the disorder out to the general public so that people suffering from it can get help.
Sally,
OK. Has anyone argued that cosmetic surgery should be “rare”?
Posted by: Mary at August 3, 2008 8:04 PM
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Argued where? Do you think that there should be an argument over whether or not cosmetic surgery should be legally allowed?
Sally,
You asked if the necessity of medical procedures becoming rare should not be a worthy goal?
So has anyone argued cosmetic surgery, like abortion, should be “rare”?
Lauren 10:19PM
Very typical BPD behavior. Self injury and troubled social relationships are hallmarks of this disorder. They are often highly intelligent people and for all intents and purposes may appear to function very normally.
I suspect many families are dealing with members who are undiagnosed or wrongly diagnosed and like I was, floundering.
Sally,
You asked if the necessity of medical procedures becoming rare should not be a worthy goal?
So has anyone argued cosmetic surgery, like abortion, should be “rare”?
Posted by: Mary at August 3, 2008 10:55 PM
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What do you not understand? Do you not understand what cosmetic surgery encompasses? Like facial reconstruction for accident victims or those born with physical deformities?
Do you not think that it would be nice for that need to be rare?
@Mary: If they haven’t, then they should. Plastic surgery is a waste of medical equipment for any other reason other than reconstructive surgeries.
Personally, I think “calf implants” are the most stupid thing I’ve ever heard done…who the hell would what what are nothing more than glorified boob jobs done on their legs?
Posted by: Rae at August 3, 2008 8:22 PM
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Interesting that you jumped from cosmetic surgery to the coined term of plastic surgery.
Sally 12:54am
Reconstructive surgery because of accident or disease is not considered cosmetic surgery. I certainly do not want to see any person need reconstructive surgery but I’m thankful there are surgeons skilled in this area.
Cosmetic surgery is elective and is done for that reason, cosmetic. I have no issue with it either way. If people want it, go for it. I wouldn’t argue that it should be rare.
My 1st was transverse and would not have been able to be born unless by c-section.
Lauren, my third baby, Noah, was also transverse for a long time, and even had become breech by the time I went to deliver. I was very fortunate the doctors were able to actually shift him around by laying me on my side and doing a few movements with their hands. I don’t know how it happened exactly, but he did turn around just in the knick of time! I was inducing him 3 weeks early because of his large size (9 lb 2 oz at birth), and so the risk factor for a c-section was even higher.
I’m so glad that your baby turned out safe and sound! I hope that you will heal from the c-section very quickly…I’ve heard the recovery from them is so painful!
If you want to see some bizarre stuff, ck. this out:
awfulplasticsurgery.com
S-C-A-R-Y !!!
Cartoon neglected to mention the fact that black women are more likely to die from abortion complications than others. This is probably due to the racist attitudes/agenda shared by so many abortionists…
Why is making abortion “rare” a worthy goal?
Mary, because most people would rather have a wanted pregnancy versus an unwanted one, and/or prevent pregnancy versus having an unwanted one.
Doug,
That doesn’t answer my question. Why do you want abortion to be rare if there is nothing bad or wrong about it?
Doug, If you have a chance, check out my comment at “I Said What?” from July 24, 2008 in July archives. Thanks.
That doesn’t answer my question. Why do you want abortion to be rare if there is nothing bad or wrong about it?
Mary, that’s not the premise. Obviously, abortion is not viewed “in a vacuum” as you appear to be doing. A given woman may well have an abortion and be glad of it, but that is not to say there is “nothing bad” about it for her. Many women will be conflicted to some extent, either way, and regardless of which choice they make.
Doug, If you have a chance, check out my comment at “I Said What?” from July 24, 2008 in July archives. Thanks.
Janet, done deal, Madam.
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The point you seem to miss, Doug, is that each baby only gets ONE chance at LIFE. They are not fungible goods to be taken out of a bin as needed.
Janet, that goes to the entire abortion debate, and that’s not what I was talking about.
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By aborting, you are exactly saying THIS baby is not wanted or worthy of my time or resources at this point in time. THIS BABY.
Have to disagree, Janet. What is being said is that no baby is wanted. Doesn’t matter what “this baby” is.
In the case of Down’s Syndrome, etc., if an abortion was chosen because of it, then I would agree with you – then what matters is the baby, not the situation, the reverse of the above. Two separate, and different, cases.
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You can’t have the same baby at a different time. Later on it’s a different BABY, The first one is GONE!!!!! I know what you mean, but it’s not right to think that way. It’s WRONG!!!!!!! It’s wrong to say, “No thanks, I’ll pass on this one. Maybe later”.
Well, your opinion. I think that without bringing our feelings on abortion into it, it still stands to reason that not wanting any baby at a given time is not the same as ending a pregnancy because of the specific baby, i.e. Down’s or what have you.
Doug,
You said making abortion rare is a worthy goal. Fine. So tell me what’s wrong with abortion that making it rare is such a worthy goal.
I think making drug abuse rare is a worthy goal. I can site a host of health and social reasons as to why drug abuse is bad and this would be such a worthy goal.
Thank you Doug, Sir,
With every “situation” a baby exists, and you can’t separate the two, IMO.
Obviously I have feelings about abortion, I don’t understand, and never will understand why you refuse to a have a personal opinion of your own, regardless of what a given woman might want regarding a specific baby or a given situation. (I’m getting pretty good at “Doug-speak”, aren’t I? :)
Obviously the belief in a God-given soul is what makes EACH baby special. You’ve heard it all before…. but, I pray that some day you might understand. :)
How’s your niece, by the way?
Thank you Doug, Sir,
With every “situation” a baby exists, and you can’t separate the two, IMO.
Obviously I have feelings about abortion, I don’t understand, and never will understand why you refuse to a have a personal opinion of your own, regardless of what a given woman might want regarding a specific baby or a given situation. (I’m getting pretty good at “Doug-speak”, aren’t I? :)
Obviously the belief in a God-given soul is what makes EACH baby special. You’ve heard it all before…. but, I pray that some day you might understand. :)
How’s your niece, by the way?
You said making abortion rare is a worthy goal. Fine. So tell me what’s wrong with abortion that making it rare is such a worthy goal.
I think making drug abuse rare is a worthy goal. I can site a host of health and social reasons as to why drug abuse is bad and this would be such a worthy goal.
Mary, better a person doesn’t get hooked on drugs, IMO (and I think you’d agree). We see it as undesirable.
Compared to preventing a pregnancy, I see abortion as undesirable, and I’m sure many women do too, regardless of which side of the abortion debate they’re on. So, better a person prevents pregnancy than have an abortion, IMO (thus making abortion more rare than the reverse).
Janet, all nieces are fine – last I saw them was in early June.
With every “situation” a baby exists, and you can’t separate the two, IMO.
Well, I do think they’re separate – one is not wanting a baby, any baby, period, and the other is not wanting a baby because of something specific to that baby.
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Obviously I have feelings about abortion, I don’t understand, and never will understand why you refuse to a have a personal opinion of your own, regardless of what a given woman might want regarding a specific baby or a given situation. (I’m getting pretty good at “Doug-speak”, aren’t I? :)
No, I think you blew it there. I have no shortage of personal opinions. I’ve seen some great parents, and I’ve seen some people where I think it’s a shame they had kids. With some people it’s like, “Good grief I hope you never have kids.” Doesn’t mean I’d forbid them to have kids, but I’ve got plenty of opinions.
“I have no shortage of personal opinions.”
Maybe I wasn’t clear, I was referring to a deeper conviction on your part about abortion, not opinions whether or not other people should have kids.
I suppose we are at a standstill…
Glad to hear your nieces are fine! Good nite!
Doug 11:38PM
I can give reasons why I think drug abuse is undesirable and for these reasons I don’t want to see people get hooked.
Please give me the reasons you find abortion undesirable and would prefer a woman not have one.
If he wants a first-rate woman governor, why not Janet Napolitano of Arizona?
Janet: Maybe I wasn’t clear, I was referring to a deeper conviction on your part about abortion, not opinions whether or not other people should have kids. I suppose we are at a standstill.
Janet, we don’t share all the same assumptions, but I do love you for your willingness to try and look at “the other side.”
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Mary: I can give reasons why I think drug abuse is undesirable and for these reasons I don’t want to see people get hooked. Please give me the reasons you find abortion undesirable and would prefer a woman not have one.
Mary, I think it’s preferable not to get hooked on drugs, but if one is hooked then better to get off them.
Likewise, I think it’s preferable to prevent pregnancy, versus having an unwanted pregnancy, but once an unwanted pregnancy is fact, I see it as often best to end it, same as for a drug addiction.
Drug addiction is unwanted – I will agree with you on that as a premise. So, better to prevent it in the first place, same as preventing unwanted pregnancy. Yet if either become fact, then it’s too late for prevention.
Doug: Janet, we don’t share all the same assumptions, but I do love you for your willingness to try and look at “the other side.”
Thanks. You know, I’ve really been considering these issues from all angles and points of view since I was a little kid. I went to Catholic school where we were allowed to talk about these things…but I didn’t live in a bubble. Please don’t think that us pro-lifers who are strong in our beliefs haven’t considered all angles. We choose not to take the so- called “easy way out” when it comes to abortion. Everyone should respect new life as much as they respect their own. Without respect for others, what happens to our society? (It’s not hard to answer that one.) On Friday night alone, 5 people were shot and killed in the city of Chicago. No respect for life. Don’t think that those shootings are much different than abortions that happen in clinics. The only difference is that the perpetrators are women and the victims are invisible. Shootings on the street and abortion show a disregard for the dignity of human life from the very beginning. (Ok, off my soap box.) You could be an awesome witness for life, with all the traveling you do. Your wife too. No need to answer, just something to think about.
Have a good Sunday!
You too, Janet – I won’t argue (for once).