Olbermann misrepresents Obama’s opposition to Born Alive; MSNBC slants GOP abortion coverage
Last night during his Republican National Convention speech, Fred Thompson skewered Barack Obama for his opposition to IL’s Born Alive Infants Protection Act:
We don’t need a president who thinks protecting the unborn or the newborn baby is above his pay grade.
Afterward, MSNBC’s Chris Matthews engaged in a lengthy discussion on that point with Republican NM Congresswoman Heather Wilson.
Keith Olbermann couldn’t help but jump in to carry water for Obama by misstating that Obama opposed Born Alive because there was already a law in place, which was false. Here’s the video:
Read reasons why Olbermann’s rationale of Obama’s vote this was flat out false on page 2.
In fact, MSNBC reporters slanted their GOP abortion coverage last night, obsessing about the pro-life platform and politicians when last week at the Democrat Convention they totally ignored the radical abortion positions of the party and politicians, most notably Obama, who supports infanticide if it would otherwise interfere with abortion. From the Media Research Center’s report…
Obsessing over Sarah Palin’s pro-life position on abortion, MSNBC hosts and reporters on Tuesday night repeatedly raised it and painted it as a detriment to Republicans even though last week with Democrats the channel did not similarly pursue how a solidly left view on abortion might hurt Obama and Biden. By the count of the MRC’s Geoff Dickens, between 8 PM and midnight EDT, MSNBC raised abortion at least 16 times, twice with an edge that painted the GOP position as extreme by applying a “hard right” label. Chris Matthews declared “they are going hard right on abortion rights” and later David Gregory asserted: “The abortion platform here is pretty hard right.”
Chuck Todd, Political Director for NBC News, fretted over how “this is as stringent of a platform on abortion the Republican Party ever has. And the problem is” that “these delegates are more conservative than even the ones four years ago.” Andrea Mitchell described Palin as “very conservative” and pressed a Republican Congressman: “Now there are a lot of women in that area who are less conservative socially than Sarah Palin. There are a lot of women who believe in choice. So how do you square the circle there?”
Matthews bemoaned to Tom Ridge that “it seems like you got a convention saluting a vice presidential nominee who wants to outlaw abortion, period, across the country. Is this going too far?” To Tim Pawlenty, Matthews demanded: “Do you believe you can win with the cultural statement being made by the selection of Governor Palin? That statement being someone from the very culturally conservative part of your party?”
The bias is disgusting.
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Obama Assertion: IL’s Born Alive was unnecessary, because “IL law already stated that in the unlikely case that an abortion would cause a live birth, a doctor should ‘provide immediate medical care for any child born alive as a result of the abortion” (August 19, 2008, Obama campaign document).
Refutations:
1. IL pro-life Republican Attorney General Jim Ryan determined shelving babies to die in hospital soiled utility rooms was not illegal. See letter here: www.jillstanek.com/archives/2008/08/did_il_abortion.html
2. Obama reasoned at the time that providing legal protection to newborn preemies would be unconstitutional (read both IL State Senate floor speeches here: www.jillstanek.com/archives/obama-links-to/), not that there was already a law in place
3. If IL Born Alive Act was unnecessary, why did it finally pass in the Democrat-controlled IL General Assembly 6 months after Obama left for the US Senate, followed by IL’s pro-abortion Gov. Rod Blagojevich signing it into law? See law and votes here: www.ilga.gov/legislation/BillStatus.asp?DocNum=984&GAID=8&DocTypeID=HB&LegId=15648&SessionID=50&GA=94
3. Quoting National Right to Life on the IL abortion law itself (www.nrlc.org/ObamaBAIPA/WhitePaperAugust282008.html):
Obama explained in 2001, and has never recanted, that he opposed the Illinois BAIPA because it declared a “previable fetus” to be a legal person — even though the bill only did so if the baby had achieved “complete expulsion or extraction from its mother.”
The old Illinois law in question (720 ILCS 510.6) covered only situations where an abortionist declares before the abortion that there was “a reasonable likelihood of sustained survival of the fetus outside the womb.” Humans are often born alive a month or more before they reach the point where such “sustained survival” — that is, long-term survival — is likely or possible (which is often called the point of “viability”).
The old Illinois law has no bearing on many of the induced-labor abortions about which the nurses testified before the committees in Congress and the Illinois state legislature, because many of them were performed on unborn humans who were capable of being born alive, and who often were born alive, but who were not old enough to have a “reasonable likelihood of sustained survival… outside the womb.”
Even with respect to “viable” infants, the old law is ridden with loopholes. It does not apply except when the abortionist himself declares that there is “a reasonable likelihood of sustained survival of the fetus outside the womb.” This already-weak law was further weakened by a lengthy consent decree issued by a federal court in 1993, which among other things permanently prohibits authorities from enforcing the law’s definitions of “born alive,” “live born,” and “live birth.”
On April 4, 2002, Obama spoke on the Illinois Senate floor against a bill (SB 1663 — which was not the BAIPA) that would have more strictly defined the circumstances under which the presence of a second physician (to care for a live-born baby) would be required; Obama argued that this would “burden the original decision of the woman and the physician to induce labor and perform an abortion . . . [I]t’s important to understand that this issue ultimately is about abortion and not live births.”
Olbermann has always been a half-wit who should have stuck with sportscasting. The fact that he is the go to guy for MSNBC shows exactly how much trouble that network is in.
His ability to debate rather than attack is non-existent. Should Chris Matthews ever leave MSNBC and leave Olbermann without the presence of an intellectual lifejacket, his stupidity will shine with the intensity of a thousand suns, ( as opposed to the 500 suns it outshines now.)
Heather Wilson? Puleeez! And further evidence that you believed the rejected legislation would hamper legal abortions. Are you calling it quits on pretending your agenda is ‘saving babies’?
You have made it very clear that you oppose medical intervention/abortion in cases where an embryo or fetus is not yet dead with complete disregard to the consequences of continuing such pregnancies. Are infant mortality rates just too low for you? Perhaps you feel a need for an increase in mortality rates related to gestation. Maybe there just aren’t enough women being rendered incapable of gestating sucessfully to suit you.
There are reasons that Illinois medical professionals opposed your pet legislation.
Sally,
You are not paying attention. Didn’t you read the refutations? why are you and Obama afraid of the details?
Do we really want a President who will protect an abortionist over an child who survives an abortion? Contrast that with a man who was in a POW camp for 5 years being tortured.
Somebody has to email this link to Sean Hannity too, Alan Colmes is floating the same lie as Olberman
I want to know why Keith Olberman’s lips move when Rachael Maddow talks. Can anyone really tell the two of them apart. Even when she does his show she dress like him( or does he dress like her)tries to sound like him and even smirks like him. It must be him.
Speaking about Olberman, doesn’t it seem like a waste of time to her Olberman point out meaning errors in someone’s speech?????
If that’s the best he can come up with after a speech, maybe he should go back to being a sports bozo and just read scores………….
Can he tell us all again how it felt to beat Fox for one day before returning to the bottom hopelessly looking up?
Last point, I actually feel sorry for Chris Matthews………. Strange that after reports last week at the DNC that Matthews wanted to belt the supermouth, that they are not together at the RNC?
Why doesn’t the media go after that story…….
I want to know why Keith Olberman’s lips move when Rachael Maddow talks. Can anyone really tell the two of them apart. Even when she does his show she dress like him( or does he dress like her)tries to sound like him and even smirks like him. It must be him.
Speaking about Olberman, doesn’t it seem like a waste of time to her Olberman point out meaning errors in someone’s speech?????
If that’s the best he can come up with after a speech, maybe he should go back to being a sports bozo and just read scores………….
Can he tell us all again how it felt to beat Fox for one day before returning to the bottom hopelessly looking up?
Last point, I actually feel sorry for Chris Matthews………. Strange that after reports last week at the DNC that Matthews wanted to belt the supermouth, that they are not together at the RNC?
Why doesn’t the media go after that story…….
Rudi is kicking Obama’s butt
The MSM is so in the tank for Obama and the liberal agenda why would anyone ever again think they have a smidgen of impartiality or objectivity? If it were not for the internet and talk radio there would barely be a mention of the opposing view. Things like Obama’s misrepresentations on Born Alive would simply be dismissed by the MSM without a cursory examination. The revelations of Pastor Jeremiah Wright’s inflammatory statements would have been buried right along with the story of John Edward’s love child which the MSM knew about but did not report for six months. They finally had to grudgingly report on it once a tabloid’s persistence finally got notice. And his association with the bomber William Ayers would have not received a second glance but for the investigative journalism of second and third tier media. The American people are being done a dis-service and serious injustice by the MSM who pretends they and they alone have the balanced view on everything.
If Sarah Palin doesn’t represent a total victory for the women of this country, I don’t know who will.
Not only did we just witness the first woman Vice President of the United States of America, we just witnessed the eventual first woman President of the United States.
Whooo Hooo!!! Sarah Palin was awesome!!
What a great speech, just amazing!!
Sally:
Perhaps you would have supported the abortion of my now 12 year old gift from God because of my wife’s very, very difficult pregnancy? Your faithless view of life reveals a personality void of compassion and trust, coupled with a morbid fear of death.
Who in the hell are you?
I can’t think of anyone in the media who is more obnoxious than Olberman.
Don’t watch Obama TV, oh, I mean MSNBC!
They’re a bunch of elitist snobs…
Jerry, the enemies of the left are talk radio, cable television, and the internet. You can watch year after year as they keep failing at all three.
You have made it very clear that you oppose medical intervention/abortion in cases where an embryo or fetus is not yet dead with complete disregard to the consequences of continuing such pregnancies. Are infant mortality rates just too low for you?
Sally, given that people have a 100% chance of dying, should we permit murder?
If my child were diagnosed with a terminal disease, I wouldn’t say, “Oh well, best to kill her now and be done with it.”
We should kill a baby in utero, just because it will die of natural consequences when it is born?
Who uses logic like this?
Jasper, what is an elitist snob?
When Obama became the media’s anointed one and Hillary Clinton brought up the “assassination” word, he absolutely crucified her by implying that she somehow was calling for his assassination. Do any of you Hillary Clinton supporters remember that?
Here it is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XYDa1v24qg
No woman should never forget that Kieth Olberman and MSNBC and the liberal media conspired to gang rape their former darling.
While I never have supported Hillary Clinton I was absoltelu appalled at her treatment by Kieth Olberman.
The guy is not going to be on the air for long, he has no integrity and it is evident to all who watch his insanity.
Sarah Palin was AWESOME tonight. I flipped through the channels afterward, and even the libs in the media were talking about how awesome she was. They couldn’t find fault with her speech, so they had to find other stuff to find fault with, like McCain’s voting record. It was priceless!
“Jasper, what is an elitist snob?”
Amazing. Not only am I FIRED up about Palin….her speach actually made me fall in LOVE with John McCain.
I actually had a little tear. This woman is amazing.
She has completely blown away every expectation. Still happy they chose her Hal? Even CNN is fawning all over her!!!
By the way…her jabs at Obama we not only humourous but so perfectly crafted. I was honestly impressed with the ability she showed to insult him without coming across nasty like our dear friend Biden.
Her insults seemed to make fun of Obama and really potrayed him as a self important ass.
I especially liked the comments on the “self styled presidental seal.” What a douchebag.
Oliver,
I loved how she assured the parents of special needs children they would always have an advocate with her.
How many mothers who cope with a special needs child or a pregnant teen can identify so strongly with her. She is very human and she is not immune to difficulty and heartbreak. She is a woman who lives her convictions when she could easily and discreetly have taken the easy way out.
I understand the McCains have an adopted special needs child as well.
Not only does the Democratic Party eat their young, they eat their own and savagely tear each other to pieces. They are finally being shown for who they are. The fractures are evident everywhere. And it’s going to get much, much worse as they realize their wonder boy won’t be elected.
Why, I even think Hal might vote for McCain now after the way the Libs have tried to destroy a family, their mother and the eldest daughter. If Hal loved his daughters, he would do the righr thing and change his vote.
Tonight, Sarah Palin truly showed what being a leader, a woman, a wife, and mother in this country can be and yes, having it all.
HisMan,
I am so fired up about Palin, not that I never was!
What an incredible no-nonsense woman!
Someone said our enemies will be wishing John McCain a very long life just so they don’t have to deal with her!
To think this was supposed to be Hillary’s year of glory. She’s yesterday’s news.
Because the Liberal media are a bunch of cowards and they now realize, after seeing how formidable Sarah Palin is, that they made a Dan Rather times 10 blunder of ludicrous speed (Space Balls) monunental, gigundas proportions in trying to destroy her and her family. You will now see them go into Prozac induced self-preservation mode and actually begin to say how great she is, while they inexorably fall back into their leftist addiction to the love of death, unable to control their obsessive compulsion with self. They have failed miserably and they know it. We are not decieved.
These are pukes supreme and I hope even the pro-aborts on this site realize who you’ve been believing. These media wolves in sheep’s clothing only goal is their self interest. They make me vomit. They have forgotten that men and women gave their lives for freedom of the press, a privilege the leftist media craps all over. It’s time that We the People stand up against these monsters and demand their removal.
I know John McCain. He appointed my son to the US Air Force Academy. Eleven years ago I told him he would be President and I meant it. One thing that experience does for a person is that it gives them the ability to discover the gifts and talents of others. John McCain is not easily persuaded or convinced of anything. He is a seasoned military leader and wise Senator who knows when he is being hoodwinked. I am absolutely sure that when he met Sarah Palin, he immediatley saw a a woman who was so gifted and so able to become the next President of the United States of America, he without hesitation, chose her.
That is leadership my friend of the utmost kind which can only be grown after years of trial and testing. Leadership that the likes of Ahmindejab and Putin and all thw other tyrant punks will fear and respect. The terrorists are shaking in their boots right now at the prospect of a McCain presidency. Well good, because they can go back into the holes they came out of and leave us alone.
Believe me, John McCain is the real deal.
Sally,
You are not paying attention. Didn’t you read the refutations? why are you and Obama afraid of the details?
Do we really want a President who will protect an abortionist over an child who survives an abortion? Contrast that with a man who was in a POW camp for 5 years being tortured.
Somebody has to email this link to Sean Hannity too, Alan Colmes is floating the same lie as Olberman
Posted by: Jasper at September 3, 2008 8:34 PM
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You aren’t paying attention Jasper. The purpose of the legislation had nothing to do with ‘protecting’ anyone or anything. When a infant is born too early to survive, there is nothing to be done. Nothing to ‘protect’. The obvious intention was to legally complicate late term abortions. Allowing Big Brother into medical decisions is ill advised. I thought that Republicans were supposed to be against big government interference and worthless legislation.
Mary,
First, never stop being the courageous woman you are. Sarah Palin is an inspiration to all women of all races, of all political affiliations. What a better person that Sarah Palin to inspire your daughters and granddaughters over the next 16 years?
Second, please pray.
Third, please get involved with the campaign.
Fourth, please give to John MCacin’s campaign.
I can only do 2 through 4. In fact, I am going down to campaign headquarters here in Phoenix starting Friday night and working my tail off.
http://www.JohnMcCain.com
“You aren’t paying attention Jasper. The purpose of the legislation had nothing to do with ‘protecting’ anyone or anything. When a infant is born too early to survive, there is nothing to be done. Nothing to ‘protect’. The obvious intention was to legally complicate late term abortions. Allowing Big Brother into medical decisions is ill advised. I thought that Republicans were supposed to be against big government interference and worthless legislation.
Posted by: Sally at September 3, 2008 11:52 PM”
Sally, these babies are not “BORN” TOO EARLY, THEY ARE ABORTED FOR GOD’S SAKE!!!!!!
Sarah Palin is BRILLIANT.
Sally:
Perhaps you would have supported the abortion of my now 12 year old gift from God because of my wife’s very, very difficult pregnancy? Your faithless view of life reveals a personality void of compassion and trust, coupled with a morbid fear of death.
Who in the hell are you?
Posted by: HisMan at September 3, 2008 10:41 PM
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I would support your wife in whatever choice she made. Obviously you would not.
Your morbid fascination with an apocalypse and eternal torture speaks volumes about your particular psychological needs.
Who am I? Your worst nightmare. A woman capable of discerning truth from fiction. Manipulation from guidance. Reality from fantasy.
“When a infant is born too early to survive, there is nothing to be done. Nothing to ‘protect’. ”
Sally,
There are many tragic accidents/fire’s/shootings/etc that can occur with people as you know where the survival rate is low. We still send the ambulence. We don’t throw up hands and let them die.
fetal surivival rate:
21 weeks or less: 0% survival rate
22 weeks: 0-10% survival rate
23 weeks: 10-35% survival rate
24 weeks: 40-70% survival rate
25 weeks: 50-80% survival rate
26 weeks: 80-90% survival rate
27 weeks: greater than 90% survival rate
Oliver,
I agree, Sarah Palin has made me take a second look at McCain, and like what I see a lot better. His choice of Palin was brilliant! I haven’ t been this excited about a candidate since I cast my very first vote for Reagan.
And HisMan, I made my donation on Friday after he made the announcement. Woot! This is going to be fun!
You have made it very clear that you oppose medical intervention/abortion in cases where an embryo or fetus is not yet dead with complete disregard to the consequences of continuing such pregnancies. Are infant mortality rates just too low for you?
Sally, given that people have a 100% chance of dying, should we permit murder?
If my child were diagnosed with a terminal disease, I wouldn’t say, “Oh well, best to kill her now and be done with it.”
We should kill a baby in utero, just because it will die of natural consequences when it is born?
Who uses logic like this?
Posted by: Louise at September 3, 2008 10:56 PM
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Anyone concerned with the life of and future reproductive abilities of the woman pregnant uses obvious logic like this. You know, the scientific as well as historical community that understands the risks of pregnancy.
If you find some kind of reward in risking your life and gestational abilities by giving birth to a stillborn or a reward in watching an infant die, that is your choice. To mandate that every woman make the same choice is sick and twisted.
I thought I needed to help finish this quote.
Sally: “Who am I? Your worst nightmare. A woman capable of discerning truth from fiction. Manipulation from guidance. Reality from fantasy. [I AM BATMAN]”
Sally, these babies are not “BORN” TOO EARLY, THEY ARE ABORTED FOR GOD’S SAKE!!!!!!
Posted by: HisMan at September 3, 2008 11:59 PM
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Good gravy dude. Spontaneous termination of a pregnancy or intentional termination has no significance over gestational development or the viablity of a fetus.
The legislation had nothing to do with ‘protecting’ anything. Do try to follow along.
“I would support your wife in whatever choice she made. Obviously you would not.
Your morbid fascination with an apocalypse and eternal torture speaks volumes about your particular psychological needs.
Who am I? Your worst nightmare. A woman capable of discerning truth from fiction. Manipulation from guidance. Reality from fantasy.
Posted by: Sally at September 4, 2008 12:11 AM”
Sally, I don’t have a “morbid fascination with an apocalypse and eternal torture”. THE TRUTH IS I am trying to save people from it.
You on the other hand are willing to sacrifice unborn, innocent children to save and protect your own skin and self-interest. You are a living definiton for cause of the human conditon, the denial of the truth, the obsession with self, and the resulting fear of death.
You may be right about being my worst nightmare, but not for the reasons you listed, yeah like a nightmare I had after eating too many enchiladas, you know, the gaseous type. Rather, you are my worst nightmare for the destruction your type of thinking and believing unleashes on the world.
For “A woman capable of discerning truth from fiction”….you sure have a funny way of expressing truth by all the lies you spew. Well, know this; a half truth is a whole lie.
For “A woman capable of discerning manipulation from guidance”…. Yep, keep telling those daughters to kill their babeis and that it’s alright to murder born alive babies too, hell, they were going to die anyway. Don’t frget to tell them about the depression that follows, the lifetime of guilt, yep, keep expressing your loving ways.
For “A woman capable of discerning reality from fantasy”. Gee, I hear the same line from drunks as they’re being picked up from the restroom floor. Sally, did you pick up your Prozac prescription today?
Ive never seen anyone break apart Batman’s speech before Hisman. Are you the Joker!??!!
“Good gravy dude. Spontaneous termination of a pregnancy or intentional termination has no significance over gestational development or the viablity of a fetus.
The legislation had nothing to do with ‘protecting’ anything. Do try to follow along.
Posted by: Sally at September 4, 2008 12:39 AM”
There you go again Captain Kangaroo….”Spontaneous termination of a pregnancy or intentional termination has no significance over gestational development”. Now there’s an expresion of truth we can all sink our fangs into. Yes, I guess termination does stop gestation, DEAD.
Ooooooooh, and here’s a real gem of wisdom: “Spontaneous termination of a pregnancy or intentional termination has no significance over…….the viablity of a fetus.” Yes, I guess termination does stop viability, DEAD.
You know Sally, you have just succeeded in manipulating my brain so that I now need some Prozac. Did you actually pray to satan for that gift? No. Oh, Vodka, you say. Isn’t that a Russian god?
I really think you’ve had a few too many tonight to numb yourself from the realization of the awesomeness of Sarah Palin. You’re not even worth debating.
Look, don’t take any Ambien tonight. I hear that mixing Vodka, Prozac and Ambien can kill you in your sleep. Nighty-night.
“When a infant is born too early to survive, there is nothing to be done. Nothing to ‘protect’. ”
Sally,
There are many tragic accidents/fire’s/shootings/etc that can occur with people as you know where the survival rate is low. We still send the ambulence. We don’t throw up hands and let them die.
fetal surivival rate:
21 weeks or less: 0% survival rate
22 weeks: 0-10% survival rate
23 weeks: 10-35% survival rate
24 weeks: 40-70% survival rate
25 weeks: 50-80% survival rate
26 weeks: 80-90% survival rate
27 weeks: greater than 90% survival rate
Posted by: Jasper at September 4, 2008 12:16 AM
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You really don’t understand much do you Jasper. You just posted the survival rate of preemies born early without the conditions existing in the fetii aborted at those stages.
Now google yourself crazy attempting to determine the survial rate of a preemie surviving every existing fetal anomaly known to science during each of those stages and tell me what you have learned. Or does me asking you to do your homework make me an elitist snob?
I thought I needed to help finish this quote.
Sally: “Who am I? Your worst nightmare. A woman capable of discerning truth from fiction. Manipulation from guidance. Reality from fantasy. [I AM BATMAN]”
Posted by: Oliver at September 4, 2008 12:32 AM
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Batwoman sillyhead. Batman is a musician friend of mine. Plays a mean 6 string bass. Jeesh!
Oliveman:
No, I’m not the Joker. Just the butler, you know, the dude with the real power.
But wasn’t Kieth Ledger’s performance like the real thing man?
Batwoman sillyhead. Batman is a musician friend of mine. Plays a mean 6 string bass. Jeesh!
Posted by: Sally at September 4, 2008 1:05 AM
Was that a Washburn XB600, a six string bass?
I prefer my 60 year old Gibson Sunburt lead guitar.
“Stairway to Heaven” anyone?
Sally,
I don’t hate you, I hate abortion.
Look, if you stopped supporting and believing in abortion, you’d be able to detox real quick from the vodka, the prozac and the ambien and, withdraw from that codependent relationship with that musician guy after you finally realize he was really just a transvestite Hell’s Angel with real small fingers. Now that’s a nightmare that would even scare me.
Are you guys talking about that movie Six String Samurai??
Olive Twist:
No, not the Six String Samurai played by Tom Cruise.
I was thinking more of the “Six Headed Vodka Drinking, Prozac Taking, Ambien Ingesting Insentient, Non-viable Glob of Tissus and Cell Family Values Movie, Part II” directed and produced by Michael Moore, Screenplay and Facade Design by Barack Obama and Casting by Sally.
Isn’t that what you had in mind? Correct me if I’m wrong.
HM, you don’t debate, you pontificate.
Very poorly.
Are you desperately screaming for help over a substance and/or emotional abuse issue by projecting? Pretty typical and nothing to be ashamed of. There is real help for you but you won’t find it in manipulating religion to support your sociopathy.
Guys, the vodka, the prozac and ambien are working.
Sally was right. I can now see the lights and they love me, they really, really love me.
Babies bad, me good, dribble, dribble, dribble.
Guys, the vodka, the prozac and ambien are working.
Sally was right. I can now see the lights and they love me, they really, really love me.
Babies bad, me good, dribble, dribble, dribble.
Guys, the vodka, the prozac and ambien are working.
Sally was right. I can now see the lights and they love me, they really, really love me.
Babies bad, me good, dribble, dribble, dribble.
Well Sally:
Thank you Sally, thank you. My wife and I are going to concieve just so we can experience the joy and freedom and lightness of abortion, of choice, of “doing it my way”. Yes, Yes, and Yes. I see the light, I see the light.
Got a few hundred good shrinks that you know? Please, no pro-aborts. They give me nightmares.
And yes Sully, I do pontificate. Know any pontificater deprogrammers? What, you want to cut what off?
Sally, that’s not nice.
Enuf of the foolishness.
I though Sarah’s speech was awesome. She promised to be an advocate for families with special needs children. And unlike the Democrats, being advocate does NOT mean providing early testing and government funded abortions to remove the burden. It wil mean real help for families. Go Sarah Go!
In fact, that is a big difference between the way Democrats and Republicans face families period. The Democrats will tell a young woman they are there to help her by removing the burden from her womb. The Repulicans would help a young pregnant woman by giving her financial assistance or starting work/scholl programs that allow women to continue school or a career and still raise a child if she chooses to do so.
Go Sarah Go!
All Olberman could do tonight after Gov Palin’s speech was a couple of snarks. Being a Christian I shouldn’t say this, but I hope he rots in a very hot place.
Olby is really really good at reading Democratic talking points. Heck, he probably writes them himself for the Dems. Everything he says is a lie including a, the and it.
w google yourself crazy attempting to determine the survial rate of a preemie surviving every existing fetal anomaly known to science during each of those stages and tell me what you have learned.
I’ve learned that Down Syndrome and Dwarfism are not conditions that guarantee the death of an unborn child.
Hear that Sally? Down Syndrome is NOT a death sentence.
Now, what have you learned?
Just got on the volunteer list!! McCain/Palin 08!!!!
You aren’t paying attention Jasper. The purpose of the legislation had nothing to do with ‘protecting’ anyone or anything. When a infant is born too early to survive, there is nothing to be done. Nothing to ‘protect’. The obvious intention was to legally complicate late term abortions. Allowing Big Brother into medical decisions is ill advised. I thought that Republicans were supposed to be against big government interference and worthless legislation.
Posted by: Sally at September 3, 2008 11:52 PM
The point of the legislation was to ensure that babies were at the very least not left to die alone and without comfort in a laundry room and that in fact every effort would be made to save them. Apparently we are now so barbaric a society that we need a law to tell us this is the correct action. And apparently there are many so-called “Christians” who strenuously oppose such measures.
Truly we live in a neo-pagan society.
I think Laura Ingraham has nailed the reason for the media bias toward Sarah Palin.
It wouldn’t matter if Palin had 15 years governing experience, was a Harvard grad, a Rhodes scholar, published author, Olympic gold medalist, Nobel Prize winner in nuclear physics and stunningly beautiful! If she is prolife, she’s not fit to govern in America (except maybe in some backwards native town way up in Alaska). That’s the bottom line as far as the left leaning MSM is concerned.
ok here’s a great piece from First Things blog that I simply must copy:
Please check it out at http://www.firstthings.com/onthesquare/?p=1161
by Suann Therese Maier:
“I will vote for Sarah Palin because I don
Fear looks SO good on these libs’ faces…
Patricia,
Thanks! That was great!
Did any of you see Piper holding Trig and then licking her hand and smoothing down his hair?? Too cute!! :)
Carla,
That little Piper is an absolute doll and her love for her baby brother is so obvious. That kind of love is bred in a family that loves to abundance. I thought it was so cool when Todd was holding Trig too. He is so comfortable in his role as father and as husband to a strong, confident and and independent woman. His masculinity doesn’t appear to be threatened at all. Now that’s a real man! Such a beautiful family. May God watch over them and keep them safe and strong in the tumultuous days ahead.
What will you be doing for the campaign?
“The point of the legislation was to ensure that babies were at the very least not left to die alone and without comfort in a laundry room and that in fact every effort would be made to save them. Apparently we are now so barbaric a society that we need a law to tell us this is the correct action. And apparently there are many so-called “Christians” who strenuously oppose such measures.
Truly we live in a neo-pagan society.”
Posted by: Patricia at September 4, 2008 7:15 AM
Patricia — excellent.
I just saw the hair smoothing footage on the news again. Ha
I will most likely be making phone calls and distributing fliers. Maybe running the shop on Main Street. :)
Had a blast doing the same for Bush/Cheney 04.
“Did any of you see Piper holding Trig and then licking her hand and smoothing down his hair?? Too cute!! :)”
yes carla, LOL…..
Thank-you Carla and Eileen.
:-D
Wish I could vote in the American election. I have a friend who lives near me who has dual citizenship and I know she will be doing her civic duty!
I just went to realclearpolitics.com and was aghast(sarcasm) to read a column by Gloria Steinem about Palin being the wrong woman at the wrong time. Talk about whining. I loved it.
Gloria, there are times when people should have the grace to walk quietly into the sunset. The day of you dinosaurs is long past. Like your girl Hillary (you know, that woman who got where she was thanks to her husband’s name and years of tolerating his philandering, even dispatching her attack dogs to trash the women) you’re yesterday’s news.
“Gloria, there are times when people should have the grace to walk quietly into the sunset.
Sweet! However, I doubt Gloria Steinem was ever one to have grace about anything though!
Oh man, I just read an article at realclearpolitics that was, shall we say a *bit* biased. It seems that liberals don’t ever have messy lives…what’s that you say Barak Obama was the child of a teenager? Say it ain’t so! Oh well, HE’S diffent!
A girl friend of mine just stopped by…she is an Obama supporter. I asked her if she saw Sarah Palin last night and she said yes. She hated her. Can you imagine that? I mean, I can understand still not buying the issues, but hating her??? C’mon! Really?
I guess there will always be people that stymie me.
Patricia,
I wish you could vote in our election too.
Of course, if you were a Democrat, you could come to Chicago and vote – two or three times – despite the fact that you’re not a US citizen. Heck. Dead people vote in Chicago all the time.
MK,
How sad. While I certainly don’t support Obama and Biden, I in no way hate them. In fact I have no personal animosity toward them at all.
Let’s face it MK, no one is more vicious to women than other women. Men are surprised when I tell them that two women meeting for the first time are sizing each other up and know exactly what the other is thinking.
We always prefer that she is less attractive, a lot heavier, and a lot older!!
DeeL
LOL. Wasn’t it Chicago mobster Sam Giancana who helped get John Kennedy elected?
A girl friend of mine just stopped by…she is an Obama supporter. I asked her if she saw Sarah Palin last night and she said yes. She hated her. Can you imagine that? I mean, I can understand still not buying the issues, but hating her??? C’mon! Really?”
Yes, mk, really. Haven’t you seen some hate directed at Obama, even though it’s just “not buying the issues?”
I don’t “hate” her. But many do. They resent her lies (fiscal conservative lol), her snarky sarcastic Limbaough-like attacks. She represents all that is wrong with the republican party. Corruption, false patriotism, intolorance for those who have different views, cronyism.
CLAIM VS FACT
*”Hockey mom”: true for a few years
*”PTA mom”: true years ago when her first-born was in elementary
school, not since
*”NRA supporter”: absolutely true
*social conservative: mixed. Opposes gay marriage, BUT vetoed a bill
that would have denied benefits to employees in same-sex relationships
(said she did this because it was unconsitutional).
*pro-creationism: mixed. Supports it, BUT did nothing as Governor to
promote it.
*”Pro-life”: mixed. Knowingly gave birth to a Down’s syndrome baby
BUT declined to call a special legislative session on some pro-life
legislation
*”Experienced”: Some high schools have more students than Wasilla has
residents. Many cities have more residents than the state of Alaska.
No legislative experience other than City Council. Little hands-on
supervisory or managerial experience; needed help of a city
administrator to run town of about 5,000.
*political maverick: not at all
*gutsy: absolutely!
*open & transparent: ??? Good at keeping secrets. Not good at
explaining actions.
*has a developed philosophy of public policy: no
*”a Greenie”: no. Turned Wasilla into a wasteland of big box stores
and disconnected parking lots. Is pro-drilling off-shore and in ANWR.
*fiscal conservative: nope!
*pro-infrastructure: No. Promoted a sports complex and park in a city
without a sewage treatment plant or storm drainage system. Built
streets to early 20th century standards.
*pro-tax relief: Lowered taxes for businesses, increased tax burden on
residents
*pro-small government: No. Oversaw greatest expansion of city
government in Wasilla’s history.
*pro-labor/pro-union. No. Just because her husband works union
doesn’t make her pro-labor. I have seen nothing to support any claim
that she is pro-labor/pro-union.
just went to realclearpolitics.com and was aghast(sarcasm) to read a column by Gloria Steinem about Palin being the wrong woman at the wrong time. Talk about whining. I loved it.
Isn’t it fun to watch the feminists try to squirm around real feminsim?
Anyone see Susan (lack of estrogen) Estrich last night? The best she could come up with was that Palin “delivered” her speech well. And then she went back to the same blah, blah, blah about her being unqualified and unvetted. I will never understand how an Obama supporter can make those assertions against any other candidate with a straight face. Of course, Estrich is a bitter, dried up old radical left wing pundit. Perhaps it’s not so much a straight face as a face that just hasn’t smiled in years.
Obama has been educated in the best schools in the country. He has a thoughtful and constructive world view. He has worked hard on an impressive legislative record at the State and National level. A state with lots of people. How hard is it to be a governor if your state has a multi-billion dollar surplus and you get to send checks to every resident?
Next to Obama and Biden Palin is a lightweight. A nice person, I’m sure (although she didn’t seem that nice last night) but not qualified to lead the free world. Obama is. Without a doubt.
Of course, if you were a Democrat, you could come to Chicago and vote – two or three times – despite the fact that you’re not a US citizen. Heck. Dead people vote in Chicago all the time.,/i>
Now you see…this is something that Obama lacks. An ability to laugh at himself.
I am from Chicago. And I found that hilarious!
Mary,
I believe you’re right. I think he’s the one who helped King Richard the First empty the cemeteries to stuff the boxes with Kennedy votes.
For instance, how funny is this????
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=068_1220191935
I guess he couldn’t claim a virgin birth, so he went with two men! Hilarious. Will he laugh? I doubt it.
Corruption, false patriotism, intolorance for those who have different views, cronyism.
Hal,
You have just described the Chicago political machine, Obama’s womb, birth place and nurturing family, to a tee.
DeeL 10:51am
How funny. Swallowing a lot of bile can certainly make one look sour.
Not to be vain, but have you noticed that Republican women tend to be a lot less dour and from I have seen, considerably more attractive?
That Congresswomen Michele Bachmann of Minnesota, mother of 5, foster mother of 23, and former state or federal attorney before being elected to congress is a knockout!
Palin was a beauty contest winner. That must really fry those old feminists!
He has worked hard on an impressive legislative record at the State and National level.
Ha. What legislative record? Getting elected doesn’t count.
Wow, Hal, you must have some really low criteria.
Now Mary,
That’s not fair. I think Nancy Pelosi is very attractive until she opens her mouth.
MK,
Too funny! The virgin birth and the two woman thing have already been done. To set himself apart, he definitely had to go with the two men option. And no, I don’t think Obama’s laughing.
DeeL,
I think Nancy Pelosi is very attractive until she opens her mouth.
No Way! You’ve seen Nancy Pelosi with her mouth closed???? Sources please!
Calm down MK, only in still pictures.
Hah! Probably “doctored” pictures!
So MK are you in the city or suburbs? I’m out by Elgin.
Photo Shop. It’s a beautiful thing. ; )
“Ha. What legislative record? Getting elected doesn’t count.”
At last count, sponsorship of 820 laws in Illinois, and authorship of 152 bills and co-sponsorship of 427 in Washington. The 2007 Ethics Reform bill alone cannot be dismissed as simply non-existent.
http://www.statesurge.com/members/923-barack-obama-federal.
http://factcheck.barackobama.com/factcheck/2008/01/14/obamas_strong_record_of_accomp.php
stop believing everything you hear from Rush.
DeeL,
In the city. Near Park Ridge.
Sorry Hal,
I don’t listen to Rush. He’s a little too vitriolic for my taste.
Adding your name to legislation that someone else has done all the legwork on is hardly the same as actually writing legislation.
“Obama has been educated in the best schools in the country.”
Im sorry, but Harvard is overrated. I have to point this out. Going to Harvard only means you have an easy time getting a good job. That is all.
It is this kind of elitism that needs to be quashed this election year.
Also, everything else Hal ranted on was just silly. Ill let you all rebut him though. I just found that part particularly off-center.
That was me again of course.
Lauren,
I agree, Harvard is extremely over rated.
I have a question. Did Obama earn his spot at Harvard or did he gain admission by affirmative action? I am NOT speculating, this is a genuine question. Does anyone know the answer to that?
Patricia wrote:
Sweet! However, I doubt Gloria Steinem was ever one to have grace about anything though!
Ah, sweet irony. Yes, Gloria has taken a public position about grace. During the middle of the Clinton presidency, Gloria wrote a NYT op-ed to claim that American women should be willing to allow men to grope them once for free. As long as he’s willing to accept No, then he hasn’t done anything wrong.
Lessee if I can still find a link for it … nope. I can find a few articles that reference the op-ed:
http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19980419&slug=2745959
http://www.slate.com/id/1090/
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/995301/posts
I remember this sequence of events well, because it was the beginning of the end of my willingness to call myself a feminist. The most-powerful man in the country was a sexual predator, and one of the leading lights of feminism was defending him. In a contest between a wealthy, privileged man and the women he victimized, feminists supported … the man. Despicable.
So yes, Gloria Steinem can give grace … when it suits her political needs of the moment.
Also, everything else Hal ranted on was just silly
I don’t want to waste my time either. At least half of them were ridiculous.
She was only a PTA mom for awhile…how is that a lie. I don’t remember her saying she came out of womb as a member of the PTA. Same with being a Hockey mom.
This is what they come up with to prove she’s a liar…I’m shaking.
“Im sorry, but Harvard is overrated”
I agree, to an extent. But there are a lot of very smart students and faculty there, and between Harvard Law and Columbia undergradute, I’d say he’s well educated. Plus his years teaching Constitutional Law at University of Chicago Law School. I’m sure University of Idaho has a very good Journalism department too.
Hasn’t Bush proven that this job requires a little more than being an “average Joe?”
Bush graduated from Yale. Some would argue that Yale is more erudite than Harvard.
Hal,
I don’t think that George Bush is in any way perfect, but I do know that we have not been attacked on American soil since September 11, 2001. I believe with all my heart that he has been the right man at the right time with regard to national security.
We will never know for certain if Gore or Kerry’s appeasement policies would have kept us this safe for this long, but I have serious doubts they would have. Just as I have serious doubts that Obama’s appeasement policies will keep us safe in the future.
There is nothing wrong with being an “average Joe”, which by the way, I don’t believe Bush really is. The key to successful governing is recognizing that you can’t possibly know everything and therefore you humbly surround yourself with, and accept advice from those who are more expert than you in given areas. I think Bush has done a pretty good job of that. Not perfect but good.
The problem with Obama and the majority of the Ivy League set is that their whole identity is wrapped up in their intellect, so they spend all of their time telling everybody how much smarter they are than everyone else and trying to convince us that they know what is best for those of us who are “average Joes”. It is smug and arrogant, and lacks the humility required to fill in the gaps with those who may be (gasp) more informed on something. That is a very, very dangerous attitude, no matter where your degree comes from.
Well, DeeL, I guess we disagree on all that. I think Bush has shown terrible judgment with those he decides to surround himself with.
Even if you like Bush you are making a huge error in reasoning.
You are assuming that it follows from one example that a certain characteristic can accompany bad results, that in ALL examples a certain characteristic will accompany bad results.
Hardly worth mentioning.
Besides, Bush went to Yale, a better school than Harvard by many people’s opinions.
Oliver, I love your professorial tone.
“Besides, Bush went to Yale, a better school than Harvard by many people’s opinions.”
Yet they both pale in comparison to Dartmouth! Go Big Green!!
Oliver,
I’m not even sure what you said.
Bobby, you like Dartmouth? My daughter is visiting there next month. She’s less conservative then me (I have to remind her that republicans are people too) Would she be uncomfortable enrolling there?
I, too, have much respect for President G.W. Bush, even though I bemoan his “big government” mentality.
Hal,
“Bobby, you like Dartmouth?”
Oh of course! That’s where I go to school. Surprisingly, it has the reputation of being quite tolerant and I do find that to be the case, though I”m not an undergrad here so I”m not the best source.
I have no doubt she would fit in here quite well. I don’t know what kind of “city” life she’s used to, but it is quite sparse out here, and you’re fairly isolated, especially if you don’t have a car. But she’ll get a much better idea after she visits.
Hey if you or your daughter has any other questions, feel free to ask. Email me if you wanna talk about it in more detail in private as well.
Oh BTW, if you don’t mind me asking, what other schools is she looking at?
Patricia,
I wish you could vote in our election too.
Of course, if you were a Democrat, you could come to Chicago and vote – two or three times – despite the fact that you’re not a US citizen. Heck. Dead people vote in Chicago all the time.
Posted by: DeeL at September 4, 2008 10:34 AM
Thanks for letting me know DeeL! I might try that (Chicago isn’t THAT far away from me!)- arrive in a coffin at the polling station. Think they’ll notice?
Bobby, she’s looking at Sarah Lawrence, DePaul University, Colorado College and a few others. Her fear is that Dartmouth isn’t know from drama/theater, which is her passion. But, they are actively recruiting her, so we’ll go visit.
I don’t know much about drama/theater in general, and nothing about what Dartmouth has to offer in drama! But that’s neat that they are recruiting her… usually it’s the other way around.
I know you like your anonymity Hal, but if you’re going to be there, I have an office at 219 Kemeny Hall, right behind the library. Just throwing it out there. It would be nice to meet you :)
Bobby, it would be an honor to meet you too. I’m sure you’d respect my secret identity. Maybe I’ll stop by. I’ll post the date when I learn it.
You are assuming that it follows from one example(Bush) that a certain characteristic(being an Average Joe) can accompany bad results(Bush’s 8 years), that in ALL examples(not just Bush, but also Palin and McCain) a certain characteristic(being an Average Joe) will accompany bad results (bad presidency from McCain/Palin).
Wow, I’m honored!
Definitely let me know a date, because I’m usually at home with the baby. I just bring her in with me. You’ll get to meet her, too! I know a lot of people will be jealous of that :)
Bobby,
Are you sure you want to put that out there? I’ll be over in an hour!
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Too many great posts here to comment on!
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Patricia, put on a gray wig, a dark hat and sunglasses. You’ll have no problem voting. :) (just kidding, sort of!)
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Hal,
Education and common sense don’t always go hand in hand. Obama is a dreamer, IMO, not a realist. Also, I know I commented on his Law School teaching experience. The three courses he taught were kind of bizarre as I recall. I wish I could remember them…I may have it bookmarked…
Janet, of course, you are always welcome, but sadly I won’t be there in a hour…
Bobby,
I’m sorry I’ll miss you! Thanks!
Hal,
I found the link article about Obama’s courses he taught. The courses weren’t really “bizarre” I guess. What do you think?
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/30/us/politics/30law.html
Janet, Seems like a wonderful teacher to me. Here’s some cut and paste:
At the school, Mr. Obama taught three courses, ascending to senior lecturer, a title otherwise carried only by a few federal judges. His most traditional course was in the due process and equal protection areas of constitutional law. His voting rights class traced the evolution of election law, from the disenfranchisement of blacks to contemporary debates over districting and campaign finance. Mr. Obama was so interested in the subject that he helped Richard Pildes, a professor at New York University, develop a leading casebook in the field.
His most original course, a historical and political seminar as much as a legal one, was on racism and law. Mr. Obama improvised his own textbook, including classic cases like Brown v. Board of Education, and essays by Frederick Douglass, W. E. B. Dubois, the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. and Malcolm X, as well as conservative thinkers like Robert H. Bork.
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But the liberal students did not necessarily find reassurance.
Thanks for letting me know DeeL! I might try that (Chicago isn’t THAT far away from me!)- arrive in a coffin at the polling station. Think they’ll notice?
Posted by: Patricia at September 4, 2008 3:13 PM
Patricia,
I think the deader you look the better ; )
Oh yea, and don’t speak English.
Hey Hal,
My daughter is a college freshman this year. She’s studying music and theatre. See, we have common ground. ; )
Since I don’t assume Bush is either an “average Joe” or has had a bad presidency, I will assume you were talking to Hal. Thanks for the clarification though.
“Obama has been educated in the best schools in the country. He has a thoughtful and constructive world view. He has worked hard on an impressive legislative record at the State and National level. A state with lots of people. How hard is it to be a governor if your state has a multi-billion dollar surplus and you get to send checks to every resident?
Next to Obama and Biden Palin is a lightweight. A nice person, I’m sure (although she didn’t seem that nice last night) but not qualified to lead the free world. Obama is. Without a doubt.
Posted by: Hal at September 4, 2008 10:54 AM”
Hal:
The same delusions you used to justify the abortion of your first two children are the same delusions you use to support Obama and diss Palin.
“Obama has been educated in the best schools in the country.” Well Hal, what did he learn?
“He has a thoughtful and constructive world view.” Withdraw from Irag in defeat and negotiate with terrorists.
“He has worked hard on an impressive legislative record at the State and National level.” Hal, c’mon, Obama opposed the Illinois Born Alive infant Portedtion Act and has done absolutely nothing as US Senator except run for Presidnet. You are lying.
“A state with lots of people.” Excume me, a corrupt state run by a corrupted governemt with lots of people, i.e. the Daly machine. Why didn’t he stand up to the corruption Hal? Maybe he just wanted to negotiate with them or more likely, he’s just as corrupt as they are?
“How hard is it to be a governor if your state has a multi-billion dollar surplus and you get to send checks to every resident?” Well Hal, that’s was exactly my question when Janet Napolitano, teh bearded lady Governor, was running for re-election in 2006 when the State of AZ had a surplus because it was selling all of the state lands to developers and propery taxes doubled because of higher property values.
Rather than give the money back to the people which would have kept the economy rolling here, she found new ways to spend all of it and she refused even to put the windfall in a rainy day fund. She took all the credit when my friend and her opponent Len Munsil said it was all a house of cards and he was right.
Now, the state has a 2 billion dollar deficit as the real estate market here has collapsed. And the DNC had the unmitigated gall to have her as the token lesbian talking about the economy during the convention. The lies, the illusions, and the twisting is totally sickening.
Now good ‘ol Jano, as JD Hayworth likes to call her, is looking to get a job on Obama’s cabinet. Man, won’t she be surprised when he loses. Well, I guess she could always run for McCain’s open seat in the Senate. She forgets though that Arizonans don’t take a likin’ to being screwed by a witch.
I have no doubt that Mr Obama is extremely intelligent. But take note of this sentence…
“While students appreciated Mr. Obama
Now B.O. even has girls flashing for his success – what will it take next. http://titsforobama.com is the site
jason, very classy.
I have no doubt that Mr Obama is extremely intelligent. But take note of this sentence…
“While students appreciated Mr. Obama?s evenhandedness, colleagues sometimes wanted him to take a stand. When two fellow faculty members asked him to support a controversial antigang measure, allowing the Chicago police to disperse and eventually arrest loiterers who had no clear reason to gather, Mr. Obama discussed the issue with unusual thoughtfulness, they say, but gave little sign of who should prevail ? the American Civil Liberties Union, which opposed the measure, or the community groups that supported it out of concern about crime.”
Posted by: mk at September 5, 2008 9:09 AM
“Take a stand”? I don’t think Obama knows what that means.