Media Research Center: “Media silence on abortion aids radical Obama”
By Rich Noyes and Matthew Balan of the Media Research Center, today:
Two of the 3 presidential debates have now passed without either candidate being asked about abortion, an issue that nearly four out of ten voters said was “very important” to them, according to an August Pew survey. What makes the abortion issue especially salient this campaign year is Barack Obama’s extremely liberal record – which may also explain why the big broadcast networks have practically avoided the subject.
TV reporters barely mentioned Obama’s pro-abortion stance during the primaries – from the launch of his candidacy in January 2007 through the end of the primaries in June 2008, just 6 out of 1,289 network evening news stories about Obama (0.46%) mentioned his position on abortion; none discussed it in any detail. It was thus unusual when ABC’s Terry Moran pointed out, in a February 25, 2008, story on World News, that Obama was “considered a reliable liberal Democratic vote in IL… opposing efforts to ban so-called ‘partial birth abortions.'”…
Obama’s stance protecting partial birth abortions puts him to the left of many liberal Democrats – 17 out of 47 Democratic Senators, including Obama’s running-mate Joe Biden, voted to outlaw such abortions in 2003, a position backed by 75% of the public, according to a 2007 Pew survey. But besides the Moran story, only 2 other network evening news stories mentioned Obama’s support for the procedure, including an April 21, 2007, CBS Evening News story briefly noting Obama’s condemnation of the Supreme Court for upholding the federal law banning such abortions.
But Obama’s most extreme pro-abortion move came in IL, when he voted against a bill to protect babies born alive following unsuccessful abortions, the Born Alive Infant Protection Act….
As for the broadcast networks, none have yet mentioned this radical aspect of Obama’s record. That silence helps the Democrat cast himself as more centrist than he really is, but shows how hopeless the media’s “watchdogs” are when it comes to their liberal friends.
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
LOL….
I love how you blame the media, when John McCain hasn’t touched the issue either. Oh let me guess, he’s under some top secret liberal conspiracy gag order.
The October Surprise you have been waiting for:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yd-m1w75fGo
Obama Ties to Islamic Extremists with documentation!
Please Spread Far and Wide!
“As for the broadcast networks, none have yet mentioned this radical aspect of Obama’s record ”
It’s all very simple, they want Obama to win the election; NBC,ABC,CBS,PBS,CNN,MSLSD, the AP, etc.
Journalistic ethics have been thrown out the window, it’s us against them mentality. As we saw from Katy Couric’s quiz that she gave Palin, the whole intent was to make her look bad, as was Gibson’s.
So, they are covering for Chicago street agitator big time…. Imagine if the Internet wasn’t available?
Jasper, the softballs from Couric and Gibson cannot be characterized as attempts to make her look bad.
James,
Take off your tine foil hat for a second and answer a question for me…
When I was young, my family attended the Maronite Catholic Church. When I attended, the masses were in Arabic, and the priest’s name was Father Ashakhar Alefghali. One of the Deacons who my grandmother remained friends with is named Rafi Habibi.
Rafi travels each year to Lebanon to visit family and friends, and sometimes takes several of the youth from the church with him. He is funded by the church to do so.
So are they actually Muslim terrorists in disguise?
Amanda, did Father Ashakhar support a candidate for the highest office in Lebanon on platform of imposing Sharia Law on everyone?
You know what I enjoy? Every day we get more cool pictures of Senator Obama on this site.
These campaigns ‘focus group’ issues, words, phrases, images. They measure and calculate before they encourage their respective candidates to make any public pronouncements.
It would be refreshing/sobering/terrifying to hear what the candidates think/say in their own words.
Do you know the difference between Barack o’baman and Bill Clinton?
o’bama has two daughters.
It is not supposed to be funny. It is not a joke.
anyone here who wouldn’t trade Bush for Clinton in a heartbeat?
The line starts here.
seriously? No way.
I did not have sex (depends on your definition of is and sex and woman and did and not and I.
Are you going to believe me or your lyin eyes?
I will still respect you in the morning.
“Hillary is the most moral person I know.” said Bill Clinton.
All the other people Bill Clinton knows, who want an apology, the line forms here.
You know I guess there might be a time when you might need a really convincing liar. But not enough to knowlingly elect and re-elect him/her POTUS.
This man ordered the bombing of Belgrade to distract attention from his philandering.
But back to the question, What is the difference between Barack o’bama and Bill Clinton?
Obama is more honest, more intelligent, and probably will be a better president. Certainly Obama is inheriting a tougher situation. There are lots of differences between them.
I apologize Hal. I have to go. Maybe we can continue this some other time.
yor bro ken
kbhvac–Why do you write “o‘bama”?
Jasper–I checked on Jesus this morning and he is STILL laughing! I told him to calm down, but he was laughing too hard to listen. :)
Someone is cooking something that smells DELICIOUS. I’m thinking of knocking down their door and stealing what is on their stove.
McCain knows better.
Without the many moderates who are still shying away from Obama, McCain is done.
He doesn’t want to be seen as pandering to the wackos, the fringe, the “far-right,” etc.
He knows where his bread is buttered.
I asked Laughing Jesus and he thought that my idea was funny.
http://mendingshift.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/jesus_laughing.jpg
Isn’t it one of the most beautiful and remarkable things you’ve ever seen? At the very least it is a remarkable depiction of Jesus.
I used “remarkable” twice. Pretend the second time I said “incredible.”
I’m a language major. Eff.
“anyone here who wouldn’t trade Bush for Clinton in a heartbeat?”
I would not, Hal :)
Written by Dr. Jack Wheeler
The O-man, Barack Hussein Obama, is an eloquently tailored empty suit. No resume, no accomplishments, no experience, no original ideas, no understanding of how the economy works, no understanding of how the world
works, no balls, nothing but abstract empty rhetoric devoid of real substance.
He has no real identity. He is half-white, which he rejects. The rest of him is mostly Arab, which he hides but is disclosed by his non-African Arabic surname and his Arabic first and middle names as a way to triply proclaim
his Arabic parentage to people in Kenya . Only a small part of him is African Black from his Luo grandmother, which he pretends he is exclusively.
What he isn’t, not a genetic drop of, is ‘African-American,’ the descendant of enslaved Africans brought to America chained in slave ships . He hasn’t a single ancestor who was a slave. Instead, his Arab ancestors were slave owners. Slave-trading was the main Arab business in East Africa for centuries until the British ended it.
Let that sink in: Obama is not the descendant of slaves, he is the descendant of slave owners. Thus he makes the perfect Liberal Messiah.
It’s something Hillary doesn’t understand – how some complete neophyte came out of the blue and stole the Dem nomination from her. Obamamania is beyond politics and reason. It is a true religious cult, whose adherents reject
Christianity yet still believe in Original Sin, transferring it from the evil of being human to the evil of being white.
Thus Obama has become the white liberals’ Christ, offering absolution from the Sin of Being White. There is no reason or logic behind
it, no faults or flaws of his can diminish it, no
arguments Hillary could make of any kind can be effective against it. The absurdity of Hyp ocrisy Clothed In Human Flesh being their Savior is all the more cause for liberals to worship him: Credo quia absurdum, I believe it because it is absurd.
Thank heavens that the voting majority of Americans remain Christian and are in no desperate need of a phony savior.
His candidacy is ridiculous and should not be taken seriously by any thinking American.
Pass this on to every thinking American you know!
Dr. Jack Wheeler Regarding Obama
I like Bush. I know! I know! I’m a crazy liberal!
I mean, I don’t like any policies of his administration and I think some of the decisions made under his leadership have seriously effed some stuff up.
But you just need to look at a picture of the guy. He’s such a cute old man! I just wanna hug him. He probably doesn’t even know what’s going on!
It’s Dick Cheney’s fault. Seriously. Cheney is Satan. Bush is an innocent pawn. I’m sure of it.
He’s always smiling!!
His Man, you forgot to mention that your Dr. Jack Wheeler also describes John McCain as “clinically nuts” and accuses Mc Cain of having collaborated with the North Vietnamese in exchange for the services of prostitutes.
Certainly an authoritative source. Do you receive his messages through your tin foil hat?
HisMan,
Does having an Arabic name make one a Muslim/Terrorist/Slave trader?
You DO realize that not all people of North African/Arab descent are Muslim or were ever involved in the slave trade… right?
Man, facts are so lame when they mess with your opinions, aren’t they?
Face it, Jill: When voters are consumed with worry about keeping the house, keeping their jobs and keeping their life savings, they don’t care about piddly little wedge issues like abortion.
Yes, why should anyone care about others when there is ME to worry about?
Amanda at October 9, 2008 3:38 PM
Amanda – this very day it was addressed – live and in person on MSNBC at the rally in Waukesha WI.
Sarah Palin brought it up and the network didn’t cut away – I was shocked it wasn’t covered over.
One could argue that the failing economy IS a HUGE life issue. After all, people who can’t afford to pay their bills can’t afford to have babies. Getting the economy back on track should be the #1 issue on all voters’ minds.
Oblahma has several friends that went to the big house and have dandy homes for sale. I suspect the circle Oblahma runs with there are a lot of males that have to cover their tracks with abortion.
Sadly, there are Christians who will say something like “I dont agree with abortion but there are more important issues”.
And I admit I used to be one of them. However, I now believe that NOTHING is more important than life!
I have a bit of hope abortion may be mentioned in the final debate, since Bob Schieffer is the moderator. I think Bob is just about the only fair journalist left. I hope I’m right about that.
I hope they talk about abortion too.
Glad we agree on something Hal! I cant wait for millions of Americans to discover Obama voted against BAIPA. Even Boxer and Clinton did not go that far!
I hope they talk about how Obama and his friends at ACORN caused this economic disaster with what they did years ago, and over the past few years, Obama and his Democrat friends in Congress refused to do anything about it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3p1Wc2NFa3w
Electing Democrats now would be like putting a loaded gun to your head and pulling the trigger. Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, Barack Obama – they’re the ones who are responsible for the state of the economy, and yet they blame Bush and McCain?? Bush and McCain have been trying to fix Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac since 2003! And the Democrats shamed the Republicans away from any attempted reforms by calling them racist!
I love how you blame the media, when John McCain hasn’t touched the issue either.
Both McCain and Palin spoke strongly about their positions and Obama’s extreme abortion position today at a rally, town meeting style…where the questions weren’t selected by the liberal moderator.
Thank God that we still are able to go over the heads of the liberal media somewhat. If Mr. Obama would take control he’d dismantle the great military who are protecting his rear end even while he accuses them of deliberately being mass murderers, and God help us in what he’d do, in his complete inexperience, to our homeland security that had to be created from scratch and has done a darn good job since the attack against us at a time, btw, when we were attacking no one! Then again, why would he need homeland security when his implied desires are just to meekly hand over our sovereignty to the likes of other Marxist icons like Chavez, Putin, et al. What a selective group of cronies, including the home grown terrorists and hate America, bomb America wackos. Did I mention his wife’s soliciting funds for “the one” based on the jabbed little heads of the defenseless babes in order to suck out the brains…yes, that was “brains”…of those “non-persons”??
Thank you abortion fanatics for what now begins the “what goes around comes around” karma punishment for such diabolical deeds. And you still want to add more. Some people are just masochists…or, again, “sin makes you stupid”!
Electing Democrats now would be like putting a loaded gun to your head and pulling the trigger. Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, Barack Obama – they’re the ones who are responsible for the state of the economy, and yet they blame Bush and McCain?? Bush and McCain have been trying to fix Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac since 2003! And the Democrats shamed the Republicans away from any attempted reforms by calling them racist!
Posted by: John Lewandowski
Absolutely right John! However the Democrats keep blaming Republicans, as does the “mainstream media” who are doing the same.
I fully expect Democrats to do this, however, the media has no excuse. They are doing everything they can do to elect Nobama.
Now. I don’t know much about it because I’m not particularly interested, but here’s a thought… (seriously, I’m not intending sarcasm)
Bills are NEVER EVER straightforward. You know politicians and lawyers how they like to use words and are absolutely BRILLIANT scholars of the manipulation of the English language (in my linguistics class Legalese is considered an actual dialect of the English language). Is it not possible that Obama–along with other people who voted against the Born Alive thing–were voting against parts of the Bill?
Take this for example: the whole economy bail-out thing. You see it, you go… well, duh. Who doesn’t want to save the economy? It’s a no-brainer. However, it didn’t get through the House the first time, though it did on the second round.
Is it not possible that there was some sort of other provision that Obama et al were voting against? Quite possibly it is also something that you PLers would disagree with. Maybe the Bill also proposed cutting government funding for abortions of rape victims (FOR EXAMPLE!!!!!!!!). And MAYBE Obama et al were like “Woah now. I mean, it’s not right to let a baby who was born die, but we can’t let this other stuff happen to.”
For. Ex. Ample.
You really can’t know unless it is addressed directly. Maybe you all are right… but you MUST at least ENTERTAIN the POSSIBILITY that MAYBE there’s something more to it than you think.
Just throwing it out there.
Again. Example. Maybe the provision he was voting against was making peanut butter and jelly sandwiches illegal. Considering that’s what I’ve had for lunch all this week… yikes. :)
NBC has a conversation with the gentlemen who was told by McCain that he prob had not heard of Fannie or Freddie. It’s an interesting read.
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/10/09/1523335.aspx
Leah, are you freaking kidding? Jill Stanek is probably the greatest expert on the Illinois BAIPA in the entire world. You think she doesn’t know exactly why Obama opposed it?
Jill has posted Obama’s justification on here repeatedly; Obama opposed BAIPA because he thought it might inferfere with “choice”. In other words, Obama was worried that a law which required that ALL babies who survived an abortion be given medical care might possibly affect abortion rights, and because of that, he voted in favor of infanticide.
kbhvac at October 9, 2008 6:03 PM
Actually Clinton bombed belgrade in an attempt to get belgrade from killing the Kosovars. Not to say that I agree with that tactic, but considering the
Srebrenica Genocide something had to be done.
John. Calm. Just an idea. Go breathe into a paper bag a few times.
If you can find me a source that says that THAT is what OBAMA (read: not Jill) says, I will absolutely believe you, and pay no mind to my idea.
But. Again. Just an idea. No accusations.
You’ve been feisty lately. This whole election thing stressing you out?
I love the word “feisty.”
Tango, I particularly like this part of the guy’s post:
“They asked who I would vote for. I said most likely I would be voting for Barack Obama. They followed with, “is there any chance that you would change your mind“? I said “Of course anything is possible.” They then asked me as an uncommitted voter would I like to participate in the Town hall debate. I said “Of course!””
THAT’S an undecided voter????
Leah, considering that our country is about to come to an end because of idiots who are going to vote Democrat because of the economic crisis WHEN DEMOCRATS CAUSED THE ECONOMIC CRISIS, I guess you could say that I’m a little stressed.
Leah, haven’t you been on here for a very long time? I’m sure you have seen Jill quoting Obama’s reasons for opposing the IL BAIPA. There is no need to play dumb.
“The transcript of the State of Illinois’ 92nd General Assembly regular session records Obama criticizing BAIPA:
“As I understand it, this puts the burden on the attending physician who has determined, since they were performing this procedure, that, in fact, this is a nonviable fetus; that if that fetus, or child – however way you want to describe it – is now outside the mother’s womb and the doctor continues to think that it’s nonviable but there’s, let’s say, movement or some indication that, in fact, they’re not just coming out limp and dead, that, in fact, they would then have to call a second physician to monitor and check off and make sure that this is not a live child that could be saved.”
According to the transcript, Obama also claimed the bill was based on the suspicion that, in the event the doctor performing an abortion discovers he or she has wrongly assessed the viability of the unborn child, the physician abortionist “would not try to exercise the sort of medical measures and practices that would be involved in saving that child.”
Further, Obama voiced his suspicion that the bill is “really designed simply to burden the original decision of the woman and the physician to induce labor and perform an abortion.””
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=13617
I don’t think you pro-aborts have any idea what is going on here with regards to this economy. The Democrats caused this mess by playing politics with our money and then the media starts a psychological war by talking bad about the economy for the last three years. Why? Because they are so hungry for a pro-abort murderer in power that they are willing to sacrifice anyone and everyone to get it. They are satanically influenced. They forget this though. There is a God in Heaven and he laughs at their folly. The judgement of the United States has begun and I have said this before and I will say this again, what the church does, the body of Christ, will be what turns this around, not the gay perverts, not the murderous pro-aborts, not the God hating atheists.
Abortion attacks the very heart of God and that is why God has started the judgement of this country via a major Depression that I predicted would happen over two years ago. God frobid, don’t be surprised if a terrorist attack cripples us now because terrorists now see us as being very weak. Thank God George Bush is our President because you imbeciles have no idea how many attacks have been thwarted since 9/11. And what the Denmocrats have done to George Bush is treasonous. Why? For freaking power.
It’s going to get very, very, very bad for non-believers, because God will not abandon his own. He will abandon all those who reject His ways and have spit in his face via abortion, gay marriage, taking Him out of schools, etc.
All you pro-aborts better think about going to church this Sunday and seeking God’s mercy. God can only turn this around. He is a very loving, loving God but He is not mocked. It’s His way or the highway.
The only thing that will save our country now is abandonment of the Liberal policies of the last 60 years and a return to Biblical principles. God stands with open arms if we would only turn from the evils we have all so freely participated in. Organizations like Planned Parenthood, NARAL. the ALCU, etc. are being exposed for the perverted wackjobs they are.
My parents went though the Great Depression. You guys have no clue as to what’s about to happen in this country. My dad knew how to grow vegetables and hunt. When I was a boy we had an acre of vegetable planted. When ever he would pick a sqaush or a basket of tomatoes he would lift them above his head and say in his broken English, Italian accent, “thanka God”. Now I really know why. The good life we have all been blessed with is about to dissapper because we have spit in His face when all He wanted to do was bless us but also He wanted us to be full of gratitude. Instead we’ve got a pervert running for office that is willing to kill children for convenience. You guys are so corrupted you don’t have enough sense to realize how far you have drifted.
Faith and prayer is what got my parents through the Depression. I suggest the same. Oh and this. They had five kids before the Depression and three more after of which I was the last. Never once would they have ever dreamed of killing one of the gifts that God gave them.
You pro-aborts are all spoiled brats that have been weaned on easy living and debauchery. Guess what, the piper is calling and you are going to reap misery and detruction for what you have sown.
“Seek ye first the Kingdom of Heaven and its righteouness and all these things will be added unto you”.
Oh and Hal, Barack Obama is the secret video.
John, there’s no need to be rude. I’m not playing dumb. I don’t read all the posts. Don’t take your stress out on those around you.
I’m sorry you feel that way about people who are voting democrat. Just remember that they’re (we’re) people too, “idiots” or not.
I’m off anyhow. Making chicken vindaloo this evening. Have a lovely day, and I hope you feel better. You should click on my link posted above (6:18 pm). It’s Jesus laughing. It’s a thing of beauty.
Hisman @ 9:09 is absolutely, positively, 100% correct.
Oh and Hal, Barack Obama is the secret video.
Posted by: HisMan at October 9, 2008 9:09 PM
I knew it didn’t exist. You didn’t have to confess.
This is interesting HisMan: “It’s going to get very, very, very bad for non-believers, because God will not abandon his own. He will abandon all those who reject His ways and have spit in his face via abortion, gay marriage, taking Him out of schools, etc.”
If I believed in God, I would think he supported Obama. Frank Schaefer said it best:
Obama is one of the most intelligent presidential aspirants to ever step forward in American history. The likes of his intellectual capabilities have not been surpassed in public life since the Founding Fathers put pen to paper. His personal character is also solid gold. Take heart, America: we have the leader for our times.
I say this as a white, former life-long Republican. I say this as the proud father of a Marine. I say this as just another American watching his pension evaporate along with the stock market! I speak as someone who knows it’s time to forget party loyalty, ideology and pride and put the country first. I say this as someone happy to be called a fool for going out on a limb and declaring that, 1) Obama will win, and 2) he is going to be amongst the greatest of American presidents.
Hey, I do think the mods deleted John’s angry post. Good for you guys.
Hal:
You’re sucking on the lying teet of satan and don’t even realize it.
I’m going to get real tough with you buddy becuase you’re leading far too many away from the truth.
We don’t need a freaking lying BSer like Obama, we need to turn back to God.
Here’s some truth for you:
Pro-Life, Pro-Woman
Abortion has more than its share of moral complexities, but a panel of experts at FRC headquarters today showed that it poses an especially dangerous threat to women’s mental health. To a capacity crowd, experts and clinicians did what the American Psychological Association refused to do in its latest report on abortion and mental health: told the truth-the whole truth-about the relationship between abortion and depression, anxiety disorders, suicide, and substance abuse. The prevalence of these symptoms among the 30 million women who have had the procedure is climbing at an alarming rate. While the research has yet to give pro-abortion leaders pause, the American people are taking the harmful effects of abortion very seriously. In a blockbuster poll released at today’s lecture, the Elliot Institute found that 85 percent of American adults believe that “significant emotional problems” after an abortion are “common” or “very common.” Only 15 percent of the people surveyed believe that abortion generally makes women’s lives better. Seventy-one percent of participants across the ideological spectrum said that conducting research on these post-abortion complications should be a moderate to high priority. David Reardon, director of the Elliot Institute, hinted at the policy implications of the study. “Politicians who ignore the issue of post-abortion complications are ignoring an important concern of the American people.” Of equal concern to pro-lifers is that millions of these women are suffering at the hands of government-funded organizations like Planned Parenthood. The public is ready to address this problem. Is Congress? If you missed the discussion, we encourage you to log onto our website, http://www.frc.org, and watch this outstanding panel for yourself.
Hal:
I see your a committed Huffington Post dude:
Well I found this about Frank Schaeffer on that slime bag blog. It’s from Mr. Schaeffer himslef. Gee Hal, I think he’s tllaking about YOU:
“When Senator Obama’s preacher thundered about racism and injustice Obama suffered smear-by-association. But when my late father — Religious Right leader Francis Schaeffer — denounced America and even called for the violent overthrow of the US government, he was invited to lunch with presidents Ford, Reagan and Bush, Sr.
Every Sunday thousands of right wing white preachers (following in my father’s footsteps) rail against America’s sins from tens of thousands of pulpits. They tell us that America is complicit in the “murder of the unborn,” has become “Sodom” by coddling gays, and that our public schools are sinful places full of evolutionists and sex educators hell-bent on corrupting children. They say, as my dad often did, that we are, “under the judgment of God.” They call America evil and warn of immanent destruction. By comparison Obama’s minister’s shouted “controversial” comments were mild. All he said was that God should damn America for our racism and violence and that no one had ever used the N-word about Hillary Clinton.
Dad and I were amongst the founders of the Religious right. In the 1970s and 1980s, while Dad and I crisscrossed America denouncing our nation’s sins instead of getting in trouble we became darlings of the Republican Party. (This was while I was my father’s sidekick before I dropped out of the evangelical movement altogether.) We were rewarded for our “stand” by people such as Congressman Jack Kemp, the Fords, Reagan and the Bush family. The top Republican leadership depended on preachers and agitators like us to energize their rank and file. No one called us un-American.”
Gee Hal, seems like the Schaeffers are pro-life and they now support a murderer. Look you convoluted clown, stop twisting things and stop confusing everyone with your freaking lies.
Seems abortion is one of the bottom 3 issues Americans care about this election, according to Rasmussen.
Hal doesn’t seem to understand the meaning of “anger”. Not yet, anyway. He’ll see it during the Second American Civil War which will take place soon enough. Not that I won’t pray for it to be averted, but if you think half of Americans, many of them gun-toting people, are going to put up with Obama and the Democrats forcing socialism and perversion on America, you’re out of your mind.
I will cling to my religion if that happens; many others will cling to their guns. And they’ll use them.
Hey all,
I know you’ve all heard me tell my story about my dad…I’ve even posted his picture.
He died this morning. It’s all good. He’s free. He’s home.
Praise God.
I’m so sorry, mk. *hugs*
Eternal Rest Grant Unto Him.
If he was half as good as you are, mk, he definitely skipped right through Purgatory and is already in Heaven.
I’m sorry to hear that MK. :(
*hugs*
I’m sorry MK, may God Bless him. yes, he is home now.
MK-
I’m so sorry. God bless, may He guide your dad Home.
while on a somber note I think everyone should give this song a listen as well. It reduced a friend of mind (a JROTC petty officer) to tears. Very moving.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gp7uwPEL9Q
mind should be mine*
mk,
My thoughts and prayers are with you and your family.
God bless you.
God bless you MK, and your family and your father.
You are a beautiful and wonderful person and my heart goes out to you right now. We all love you very much.
mk,
What was your Father’s name? Did he have a favorite saint?
mk, I’m very sorry for your loss. My thoughts are with you, and–you’ll be happy to know–I’ve been living up to my promise to you.
Our thoughts are with you my friend.
“…but if you think half of Americans, many of them gun-toting people, are going to put up with Obama and the Democrats forcing socialism and perversion on America, you’re out of your mind.”
Now John, those folks are not going to be any more upset then the rational half of America has been for the last 8 years. They’ll grow to appreciate Obama’s steady hand and thoughtful leadership.
Leah @ 6:15
I put the apostraphe in o’bama to remind us all that BO is more than a little bit Irish, not that there is anything wrong with being Irish. In other words o’bama is as much or more Irish than he is African.
I had a friend in High School who was adopted. Some where, some how, he discovered he was mostly indigenous american, aboriginal, native american. Then he went through a prolonged phase where he was Chato (See Charles Bronson:Chato’s Land). I am person of mixed heritage, but from what I have been able to determine my single largest portion is Cherokee, about 1/4. But I have never identified myself as anything but ‘american’. Being ashamed or proud of something you have absolutely no control over is illogical. If I said I was proud to be a man, then I am sure some would say I was a male chauvinist. (Can you be a female chauvinsit or a black, brown, yellow racist? YES!)
My wife’s nationality is Canadian, her ethnicity is Japanese. She is the first person I can ever remember referring to me as a ‘causcasian’. Boy, that was an epiphany. I had always thought of myself as ‘normal’. When our children have to fill out forms and they are asked to identify their race, I have advised them to choose ‘human’. If that that is not an option I have suggested they add it to the form, then select that option.
At least one good thing may occur if o’bama is elected president. Maybe we put a bunch of this ‘race’ crap behind us. Speaking as a person of undetermined ethnicity, I just want to get on with life.
I don’t think you pro-aborts have any idea what is going on here with regards to this economy. The Democrats caused this mess by playing politics with our money and then the media starts a psychological war by talking bad about the economy for the last three years. Why? Because they are so hungry for a pro-abort murderer in power that they are willing to sacrifice anyone and everyone to get it. They are satanically influenced. They forget this though. There is a God in Heaven and he laughs at their folly. The judgement of the United States has begun and I have said this before and I will say this again, what the church does, the body of Christ, will be what turns this around, not the gay perverts, not the murderous pro-aborts, not the God hating atheists.
Abortion attacks the very heart of God and that is why God has started the judgement of this country via a major Depression that I predicted would happen over two years ago. God frobid, don’t be surprised if a terrorist attack cripples us now because terrorists now see us as being very weak. Thank God George Bush is our President because you imbeciles have no idea how many attacks have been thwarted since 9/11. And what the Denmocrats have done to George Bush is treasonous. Why? For freaking power.
It’s going to get very, very, very bad for non-believers, because God will not abandon his own. He will abandon all those who reject His ways and have spit in his face via abortion, gay marriage, taking Him out of schools, etc.
All you pro-aborts better think about going to church this Sunday and seeking God’s mercy. God can only turn this around. He is a very loving, loving God but He is not mocked. It’s His way or the highway.
The only thing that will save our country now is abandonment of the Liberal policies of the last 60 years and a return to Biblical principles. God stands with open arms if we would only turn from the evils we have all so freely participated in. Organizations like Planned Parenthood, NARAL. the ALCU, etc. are being exposed for the perverted wackjobs they are.
My parents went though the Great Depression. You guys have no clue as to what’s about to happen in this country. My dad knew how to grow vegetables and hunt. When I was a boy we had an acre of vegetable planted. When ever he would pick a sqaush or a basket of tomatoes he would lift them above his head and say in his broken English, Italian accent, “thanka God”. Now I really know why. The good life we have all been blessed with is about to dissapper because we have spit in His face when all He wanted to do was bless us but also He wanted us to be full of gratitude. Instead we’ve got a pervert running for office that is willing to kill children for convenience. You guys are so corrupted you don’t have enough sense to realize how far you have drifted.
Faith and prayer is what got my parents through the Depression. I suggest the same. Oh and this. They had five kids before the Depression and three more after of which I was the last. Never once would they have ever dreamed of killing one of the gifts that God gave them.
You pro-aborts are all spoiled brats that have been weaned on easy living and debauchery. Guess what, the piper is calling and you are going to reap misery and detruction for what you have sown.
“Seek ye first the Kingdom of Heaven and its righteouness and all these things will be added unto you”.
Oh and Hal, Barack Obama is the secret video.
Posted by: HisMan at October 9, 2008 9:09 PM
HisMan I believe you are absolutely correct.
Thank you for posting this.
mk, hugs and prayers for you and your family at this time.
Nobama buys 30 minutes ad time from CBS and NBC just days before election.
I wonder if he will confess to the American people that he supports infanticide?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27107689/
This Could be the October Surprise:
THIS ISSUE MUST GET OUT TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE!!! Please Spread This Far and Wide!!!! It is believed Obama is an “illegal alien”!!!!! http://www.obamacrimes.com/ Obama is NOT QUALIFIED to be US President!!!! This is a very real and pending Issue. It Must be Spread Far and Wide!!!! According to the outstanding Federal Lawsuit, it is quite clear the Obama is hiding something very very critical to the outcome of this election and he can’t produce his birth certificate. The lawyer in the case obviously see this and is relentlessly pursuing this matter. Please everyone…..spread this issue far and wide. Voters need to know about it. Inform all republicians, send it to Sean Hannity, inform radio and the newspapers. The American people demand that Obama produce his real birth certificate to prove he is a natural born citizen of the US and is qualified to run as President.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v07tPpQE6w0
MK:
Your dad is now part of the great cloud of witnesses that is cheering us belivers on in the battle against satan.
I’ll pray for you and your family.
“By your fruits ye shall know them” and you are a testament to who your father was. I hope to meet him some day and go fishing with him and maybe take a tour of the universe with him and the Lord.
MK… hugs for you my friend. Remember, that we do not cry in despair as those who have no hope for we know we will be reunited for all of eternity with those who have gone before us.
Yet we still cry for our loss and my heart and prayers go out to you and your family at this difficult time.
The media has allowed Barack Obama to get away with blaming the banking crisis on President Bush, but the truth is that he himself helped start it as a community organizer, and as a member of Congress, did nothing to stop it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivmL-lXNy64
The stock market is going down and is going to keep going down as long as Obama leads in the polls. A lot of people know that if Obama gets elected he will raise the taxes on EVERYBODY. When you raise taxes on “corporate America” you raise taxes on the products they make and sell which raises the price of their services which raises the tax on everybody. I work in corporate America and I don’t make anything close to the 250k that Obama uses as a reference, but I understand that his tax policy is going to screw our whole economy and the market will CRASH. A lot of other smart people know this too (here and abroad) and that is why the US market is continuing to slide. And once he lets the current Bush tax cuts rescind in 2009 then a hell of a lot more of thsoe 95% of tax payers who make less than 250k are going to be paying a lot more taxes to Obama’s government.
If Obama gets elected get ready for the bottom. You think losing 30% of your 401k was bad, how does 80-90% sound. Anybody who votes Obama is going to get what they deserve. I already took 50% of my 401k out on loan and I won’t put it back in unless McCain wins the election. If Obama wins then I’ll just get with the Democratic entitlement program… unending unemployment benefits and food stamps, free health insurance, and a mortgage at no money down paid for by the tax payers, it will be an American’s givernment given right. Say bye-bye to your 401k’s completely if Obama gets in.
Hal,
If you only knew what a beautiful gift you have given me this morning. My father prayed for you. He prayed for all my ‘Friends”…Rae, Alyssa, Midnite, JM, PIP, Doug, SoMG, Jess, Laura, Sally, Phylo, Reality, Enigma, Edyt, Alexandra, JKeller, Erin, Dan, Amanda…
All of you are on my little slip of purple paper that I pull out at every mass. I place you all on the altar, in my mind, and offer you guys up…
I don’t know if you remember my dad, but he has been in a state similar to Terri Schiavos for over 10 years now. He couldn’t talk, feed himself, use the bathroom…(my mother took care of him, with the help of care giver…God Bless Ruel.)
But when I would go to visit, I’d say “Dad, come to the surface…I need you to pray for someone” his eyes would pop open and he’d look me right in the eye. It was the only time he would do so. And then I’d tell him one of your names and he’d make a choking sound. He’s done this hundreds of times.
It used to royally tick off my mom, because he NEVER looked at her or anyone else. And he only looked at me that way, when I was asking him to pray.
So I have lost my father yes, but in a way, you all have lost him too.
The good news is he’s in a place now, where he can pray in person, and I’m sure he remembers all of your names.
Again Hal, that is the nicest gift anyone could possibly have given me. Thank you.
Janet,
Padre Pio. My father used to get up every morning at 5:00 am (before he got sick of course) and get his coffee, sit in his chair and pray the rosary. Then go through his “stack” of prayers. After an hour, he’d bathe and go to mass. Every day of his adult life. Then he’d bring communion to the sick.
He went to confession weekly.
If a person told an off color joke, he’d leave the room. If they gossiped, or said something cruel about someone else, anyone, he;d get up and quietly walk out.
He told me before he got sick that he knew what was coming…and that he’d had a long talk with God and was going to offer it up.
He understood the value of suffering. The tremendous power of using his anguish to help others. For 10 years, he lay in a bed, unable to get up without the help of a machine. And still, he managed to “give”…
He never met any of you, and yet he offered up his pain, his humility, his soul, for his family, his country and even strangers…
Unfortunately, he couldn’t help the cubs. But I am sure that he was met at the gate with an ice cold beer, and season tickets to DePaul, Notre Dame and Da Bears.
Thanks to everyone for their condolences. They mean a lot. I love you all.
MK
I am sorry MK. Your father is home. I am grateful for all you have told us about him so we can know him too.
My love to you and yours!!!
MK: what a beautiful post. I am so sorry for your loss. I’m sure his prayers are what brought you back to your faith!
Eternal rest grant unto him, O Lord.
And let perpetual light shine upon him.
May his soul, and the souls of all the faithful departed, rest in peace.
Amen.
I pray for comfort and consolation to your mom as well.
I was just about to post exactly what Patrica posted. Amen. MK, I will keep your father in prayer.
Oh Hal, I love you!
Marykay, I am so sorry for your loss. Your father was such a special man, and I know you love him very much.
Oh MK, that post was beautiful. I’m so sorry for your loss. I hope you feel better soon. And thank you for your prayers!
MK,
PEACE
He now lives IN HIM WHO IS LIFE …. the bliss, essence, and purpose of our struggling. He is HOME IN ABBA
PAX
yep, even cub-fans can make it … sure hope we’ll all hug each other there too!
my sympathies to you and to us all, who learned to love him through you!
Jasper, John L, HisMan, do you guys recognize yourself here?
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.co
m/the_daily_dish/2008/10/the-dangerous-p.html
“do you guys recognize yourself here?”
what do you mean Hal?
Andrew Sullivan has gone off the deep end, attacking Palin’s baby now. Maybe he’s needs a new boyfriend.
“My thoughts are with you, and–you’ll be happy to know–I’ve been living up to my promise to you.”
that’s great news Hal -God Bless
you mean husband?
anyway, he hasn’t attacked Palin’s baby, he’s just wondering why there have been no answers to all the specific legitimate questions. Why get on an airplane once your water broke? Why change planes in seattle? why land in Anchorage and drive to Wasilla to deliver instead of Anchorage hospital (or Seattle, or Dallas) Why no record of the birth at the hospital? Why doesn’t she look pregnant in the photos? Etc, etc. I personally don’t care. But, candidates routinely hand over their medical records, why hasn’t she shown us the Birth Certificate or other hospital record?
Hal,
this picture was taken in march of this year, one month before Trig’s birth:
http://www.conservativepunk.com/articles/1369/
Yes, we should be very concerned about why Sarah Palin got on an airplane after her water broke. We should be very concerned about Todd Palin getting a DUI 20 years ago. We should be very concerned about how pregnant Bristol Palin looked two years ago and we should carefully examine photos of her to see if there were any signs of pregnancy.
Those are very important issues.
What isn’t an important issue? The fact that ACORN, Barack Obama, and Clinton cronies caused the banking crisis in the first place, by forcing banks to give loans to people who were never going to be able to pay them back. How did they do this? By using the false charge of “racism” to silence critics:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivmL-lXNy64
What isn’t an important issue? That over the past five years, Republicans, including George Bush and John McCain, tried to reform GSE’s to prevent this disaster, but all reforms were blcoked by Democrats who accused reformers of “racism”:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3p1Wc2NFa3w
So you’re right, Hal. We should be talking about important things, like whether or not Sarah Palin ever shot at a wolf from a helicopter. We shouldn’t be talking about unimportant things, like the fact that Obama, ACORN, and liberal thugs in the Clinton administration caused the banking crisis, while Obama and his liberal friends in Congress refused to do anything to fix it.
MK,
I’m so sorry about your dad. He sounded like a wonderful man, and after all, he made you. :) My prayers are with you and your family! :hugs:
Hey John, I’m just hoping Obama runs out the clock….By the way, great letter to the editor of the New York Times:
Re “Politics of Attack” (editorial, Oct. 8) and “Obama and ’60s Bomber: A Look Into Crossed Paths” (front page, Oct. 4):
As the lead federal prosecutor of the Weathermen in the 1970s (I was then chief of the criminal division in the Eastern District of Michigan and took over the Weathermen prosecution in 1972), I am amazed and outraged that Senator Barack Obama is being linked to William Ayers’s terrorist activities 40 years ago when Mr. Obama was, as he has noted, just a child.
Although I dearly wanted to obtain convictions against all the Weathermen, including Bill Ayers, I am very pleased to learn that he has become a responsible citizen.
Because Senator Obama recently served on a board of a charitable organization with Mr. Ayers cannot possibly link the senator to acts perpetrated by Mr. Ayers so many years ago.
I do take issue with the statement in your news article that the Weathermen indictment was dismissed because of “prosecutorial misconduct.” It was dismissed because of illegal activities, including wiretaps, break-ins and mail interceptions, initiated by John N. Mitchell, attorney general at that time, and W. Mark Felt, an F.B.I. assistant director.
William C. Ibershof
Mill Valley, Calif., Oct. 8, 2008
Hal, I’m not sure what Bill Ayers has to do with the facts that as a community organizer Obama helped cause the banking crisis, as a Senator Obama did nothing to stop the banking crisis, and that now Obama is leading in the polls because people think he is the best to deal with the banking crisis.
Sometimes “people” are right. Obama is a far better choice to deal with the banking crisis. Just ask 80% of the economists surveyed by The Economist.
Obama helped caused the banking crisis as a community organizer, accusing banks of racism if they wouldn’t give loans to people who couldn’t pay them off. Obama and his friends in Congress blocked reforms which would have stopped this from happening. Obama’s economic policies are going to lead us into a second Great Depression and his extremism is going to cause a second American Civil War. Anyone who thinks that Obama is best for the economy or America is f’ing insane:
Economists Statement on Barack Obama’s Risky Economic Proposals
100 Economists Warn That With Current Weak Financial Conditions Barack Obama’s Proposals Run A High Risk Of Throwing The US Into A Deep Recession
ARLINGTON, VA — Today, McCain-Palin 2008 released the following statement signed by 100 distinguished and experienced economists at major American universities and research organizations, including five Nobel Prize winners Gary Becker, James Buchanan, Robert Mundell, Edward Prescott, and Vernon Smith. The economists explain why Barack Obama’s proposals, including “misguided tax hikes,” would “decrease the number of jobs in America.” The prospects of such tax rate increases under Barack Obama are already harming the economy. The economists conclude that “Barack Obama’s economic proposals are wrong for the American economy.” The proposals “defy both economic reason and economic experience.”
The full economists’ statement on Barack Obama’s economic proposals and a complete list of economists who support it follows:
Barack Obama argues that his proposals to raise tax rates and halt international trade agreements would benefit the American economy. They would do nothing of the sort. Economic analysis and historical experience show that they would do the opposite. They would reduce economic growth and decrease the number of jobs in America. Moreover, with the credit crunch, the housing slump, and high energy prices weakening the U.S. economy, his proposals run a high risk of throwing the economy into a deep recession. It was exactly such misguided tax hikes and protectionism, enacted when the U.S. economy was weak in the early 1930s, that greatly increased the severity of the Great Depression.
We are very concerned with Barack Obama’s opposition to trade agreements such as the pending one with Colombia, the new one with Central America, or the established one with Canada and Mexico. Exports from the United States to other countries create jobs for Americans. Imports make goods available to Americans at lower prices and are a particular benefit to families and individuals with low incomes. International trade is also a powerful source of strength in a weak economy. In the second quarter of this year, for example, increased international trade did far more to stimulate the U.S. economy than the federal government’s “stimulus” package.
Ironically, rather than supporting international trade, Barack Obama is now proposing yet another so-called stimulus package, which would do very little to grow the economy. And his proposal to finance the package with higher taxes on oil would raise oil prices directly and by reducing exploration and production.
We are equally concerned with his proposals to increase tax rates on labor income and investment. His dividend and capital gains tax increases would reduce investment and cut into the savings of millions of Americans. His proposals to increase income and payroll tax rates would discourage the formation and expansion of small businesses and reduce employment and take-home pay, as would his mandates on firms to provide expensive health insurance.
After hearing such economic criticism of his proposals, Barack Obama has apparently suggested to some people that he might postpone his tax increases, perhaps to 2010. But it is a mistake to think that postponing such tax increases would prevent their harmful effect on the economy today. The prospect of such tax rate increases in 2010 is already a drag on the economy. Businesses considering whether to hire workers today and expand their operations have time horizons longer than a year or two, so the prospect of higher taxes starting in 2009 or 2010 reduces hiring and investment in 2008.
In sum, Barack Obama’s economic proposals are wrong for the American economy. They defy both economic reason and economic experience.
Robert Barro, Harvard University
Gary Becker, University of Chicago
Sanjai Bhagat, University of Colorado
Michael Block, University of Arizona
Brock Blomberg, Claremont-McKenna University
Michael Bordo, Rutgers University
Michael Boskin, Stanford University
Ike Brannon, McCain-Palin 2008
James Buchanan, George Mason University
Todd Buchholtz, Two Oceans Fund
Charles Calomiris, Columbia University
Jim Carter, Vienna VA
Barry Chiswick, University of Illinois at Chicago
John Cogan, Hoover Institution
Kathleen Cooper, Southern Methodist University
Ted Covey, McLean VA
Dan Crippen, former CBO Director
Mario Crucini, Vanderbilt
Steve Davis, University of Chicago
Christopher DeMuth, American Enterprise Institute
William Dewald, Ohio State University
Frank Diebold, University of Pennsylvania
Isaac Ehrlich, State University of New York at Buffalo
Paul Evans, Ohio State University
Dan Feenberg, NBER
Martin Feldstein, Harvard University
Eric Fisher, California Polytechnic State University
Kristin Forbes, MIT
Timothy Fuerst, Bowling Green State University
Diana Furchtgott-Roth, Hudson Institute
Paul Gregory, University of Houston
Earl Grinols, Baylor University
Rik Hafer, Southern Illinois University Edwardsville
Gary Hansen, UCLA
Eric Hanushek, Hoover Institutions
Kevin Hassett, American Enterprise Institute
Arlene Holen, Technology Policy Institute
Douglas Holtz-Eakin, McCain-Palin 2008
Glenn Hubbard, Columbia University
Owen Irvine, Michigan State University
Mike Jensen, Harvard University
Steven Kaplan, University of Chicago
Robert King, Boston University
Meir Kohn, Dartmouth
Marvin Kosters, American Enterprise Institute
Anne Krueger, Johns Hopkins University
Phil Levy, American Enterprise Institute
Larry Lindsey, The Lindsey Group
Paul W. MacAvoy. Yale University
John Makin, American Enterprise Institute
Burton Malkiel, Princeton University
Bennett McCallum, Carnegie-Mellon University
Paul McCracken, University of Michigan
Will Melick, Kenyon College
Allan Meltzer, Carnegie-Mellon University
Enrique Mendoza, University of Maryland
Jim Miller, George Mason University
Michael Moore, George Washington University
Robert Mundell, Columbia University
Tim Muris, George Mason University
Kevin Murphy, University of Chicago
Richard Muth, Emory University
Charles Nelson, University of Washington
Bill Niskanen, Cato Institute
June O’Neill, Baruch College, CUNY
Lydia Ortega, San Jose State University
Steve Parente, University of Minnesota
William Poole, University of Delaware
Michael Porter, Harvard University
Barry Poulson, University of Colorado, Boulder
Edward Prescott, Arizona State University
Kenneth Rogoff, Harvard University
Richard Roll, UCLA
Harvey Rosen, Princeton University
Robert Rossana, Wayne State University
Mark Rush, University of Florida
Tom Saving, Texas A&M University
Anna Schwartz, NBER
George Shultz, Stanford University
Chester Spatt, Carnegie-Mellon University
David Spencer, Brigham Young University
Beryl Sprinkle, Former Chair Council of Economic Advisers
Houston Stokes, University of Illinois in Chicago
Robert Tamura, Clemson University
Jack Tatum, Indiana State University
John Taylor, Stanford University
Richard Vedder, Ohio University
William B. Walstad, University of Nebraska
Murray Weidenbaum, Washington University in St. Louis
Arnold Zellner, University of Chicago
Economists Statement on Barack Obama’s Risky Economic Proposals
100 Economists Warn That With Current Weak Financial Conditions Barack Obama’s Proposals Run A High Risk Of Throwing The US Into A Deep Recession
ARLINGTON, VA — Today, McCain-Palin 2008 released the following statement signed by 100 distinguished and experienced economists at major American universities and research organizations, including five Nobel Prize winners Gary Becker, James Buchanan, Robert Mundell, Edward Prescott, and Vernon Smith. The economists explain why Barack Obama’s proposals, including “misguided tax hikes,” would “decrease the number of jobs in America.” The prospects of such tax rate increases under Barack Obama are already harming the economy. The economists conclude that “Barack Obama’s economic proposals are wrong for the American economy.” The proposals “defy both economic reason and economic experience.”
The full economists’ statement on Barack Obama’s economic proposals and a complete list of economists who support it follows:
Barack Obama argues that his proposals to raise tax rates and halt international trade agreements would benefit the American economy. They would do nothing of the sort. Economic analysis and historical experience show that they would do the opposite. They would reduce economic growth and decrease the number of jobs in America. Moreover, with the credit crunch, the housing slump, and high energy prices weakening the U.S. economy, his proposals run a high risk of throwing the economy into a deep recession. It was exactly such misguided tax hikes and protectionism, enacted when the U.S. economy was weak in the early 1930s, that greatly increased the severity of the Great Depression.
We are very concerned with Barack Obama’s opposition to trade agreements such as the pending one with Colombia, the new one with Central America, or the established one with Canada and Mexico. Exports from the United States to other countries create jobs for Americans. Imports make goods available to Americans at lower prices and are a particular benefit to families and individuals with low incomes. International trade is also a powerful source of strength in a weak economy. In the second quarter of this year, for example, increased international trade did far more to stimulate the U.S. economy than the federal government’s “stimulus” package.
Ironically, rather than supporting international trade, Barack Obama is now proposing yet another so-called stimulus package, which would do very little to grow the economy. And his proposal to finance the package with higher taxes on oil would raise oil prices directly and by reducing exploration and production.
We are equally concerned with his proposals to increase tax rates on labor income and investment. His dividend and capital gains tax increases would reduce investment and cut into the savings of millions of Americans. His proposals to increase income and payroll tax rates would discourage the formation and expansion of small businesses and reduce employment and take-home pay, as would his mandates on firms to provide expensive health insurance.
After hearing such economic criticism of his proposals, Barack Obama has apparently suggested to some people that he might postpone his tax increases, perhaps to 2010. But it is a mistake to think that postponing such tax increases would prevent their harmful effect on the economy today. The prospect of such tax rate increases in 2010 is already a drag on the economy. Businesses considering whether to hire workers today and expand their operations have time horizons longer than a year or two, so the prospect of higher taxes starting in 2009 or 2010 reduces hiring and investment in 2008.
In sum, Barack Obama’s economic proposals are wrong for the American economy. They defy both economic reason and economic experience.
Robert Barro, Harvard University
Gary Becker, University of Chicago
Sanjai Bhagat, University of Colorado
Michael Block, University of Arizona
Brock Blomberg, Claremont-McKenna University
Michael Bordo, Rutgers University
Michael Boskin, Stanford University
Ike Brannon, McCain-Palin 2008
James Buchanan, George Mason University
Todd Buchholtz, Two Oceans Fund
Charles Calomiris, Columbia University
Jim Carter, Vienna VA
Barry Chiswick, University of Illinois at Chicago
John Cogan, Hoover Institution
Kathleen Cooper, Southern Methodist University
Ted Covey, McLean VA
Dan Crippen, former CBO Director
Mario Crucini, Vanderbilt
Steve Davis, University of Chicago
Christopher DeMuth, American Enterprise Institute
William Dewald, Ohio State University
Frank Diebold, University of Pennsylvania
Isaac Ehrlich, State University of New York at Buffalo
Paul Evans, Ohio State University
Dan Feenberg, NBER
Martin Feldstein, Harvard University
Eric Fisher, California Polytechnic State University
Kristin Forbes, MIT
Timothy Fuerst, Bowling Green State University
Diana Furchtgott-Roth, Hudson Institute
Paul Gregory, University of Houston
Earl Grinols, Baylor University
Rik Hafer, Southern Illinois University Edwardsville
Gary Hansen, UCLA
Eric Hanushek, Hoover Institutions
Kevin Hassett, American Enterprise Institute
Arlene Holen, Technology Policy Institute
Douglas Holtz-Eakin, McCain-Palin 2008
Glenn Hubbard, Columbia University
Owen Irvine, Michigan State University
Mike Jensen, Harvard University
Steven Kaplan, University of Chicago
Robert King, Boston University
Meir Kohn, Dartmouth
Marvin Kosters, American Enterprise Institute
Anne Krueger, Johns Hopkins University
Phil Levy, American Enterprise Institute
Larry Lindsey, The Lindsey Group
Paul W. MacAvoy. Yale University
John Makin, American Enterprise Institute
Burton Malkiel, Princeton University
Bennett McCallum, Carnegie-Mellon University
Paul McCracken, University of Michigan
Will Melick, Kenyon College
Allan Meltzer, Carnegie-Mellon University
Enrique Mendoza, University of Maryland
Jim Miller, George Mason University
Michael Moore, George Washington University
Robert Mundell, Columbia University
Tim Muris, George Mason University
Kevin Murphy, University of Chicago
Richard Muth, Emory University
Charles Nelson, University of Washington
Bill Niskanen, Cato Institute
June O’Neill, Baruch College, CUNY
Lydia Ortega, San Jose State University
Steve Parente, University of Minnesota
William Poole, University of Delaware
Michael Porter, Harvard University
Barry Poulson, University of Colorado, Boulder
Edward Prescott, Arizona State University
Kenneth Rogoff, Harvard University
Richard Roll, UCLA
Harvey Rosen, Princeton University
Robert Rossana, Wayne State University
Mark Rush, University of Florida
Tom Saving, Texas A&M University
Anna Schwartz, NBER
George Shultz, Stanford University
Chester Spatt, Carnegie-Mellon University
David Spencer, Brigham Young University
Beryl Sprinkle, Former Chair Council of Economic Advisers
Houston Stokes, University of Illinois in Chicago
Robert Tamura, Clemson University
Jack Tatum, Indiana State University
John Taylor, Stanford University
Richard Vedder, Ohio University
William B. Walstad, University of Nebraska
Murray Weidenbaum, Washington University in St. Louis
Arnold Zellner, University of Chicago
Economists Statement on Barack Obama’s Risky Economic Proposals
100 Economists Warn That With Current Weak Financial Conditions Barack Obama’s Proposals Run A High Risk Of Throwing The US Into A Deep Recession
ARLINGTON, VA — Today, McCain-Palin 2008 released the following statement signed by 100 distinguished and experienced economists at major American universities and research organizations, including five Nobel Prize winners Gary Becker, James Buchanan, Robert Mundell, Edward Prescott, and Vernon Smith. The economists explain why Barack Obama’s proposals, including “misguided tax hikes,” would “decrease the number of jobs in America.” The prospects of such tax rate increases under Barack Obama are already harming the economy. The economists conclude that “Barack Obama’s economic proposals are wrong for the American economy.” The proposals “defy both economic reason and economic experience.”
The full economists’ statement on Barack Obama’s economic proposals and a complete list of economists who support it follows:
Barack Obama argues that his proposals to raise tax rates and halt international trade agreements would benefit the American economy. They would do nothing of the sort. Economic analysis and historical experience show that they would do the opposite. They would reduce economic growth and decrease the number of jobs in America. Moreover, with the credit crunch, the housing slump, and high energy prices weakening the U.S. economy, his proposals run a high risk of throwing the economy into a deep recession. It was exactly such misguided tax hikes and protectionism, enacted when the U.S. economy was weak in the early 1930s, that greatly increased the severity of the Great Depression.
We are very concerned with Barack Obama’s opposition to trade agreements such as the pending one with Colombia, the new one with Central America, or the established one with Canada and Mexico. Exports from the United States to other countries create jobs for Americans. Imports make goods available to Americans at lower prices and are a particular benefit to families and individuals with low incomes. International trade is also a powerful source of strength in a weak economy. In the second quarter of this year, for example, increased international trade did far more to stimulate the U.S. economy than the federal government’s “stimulus” package.
Ironically, rather than supporting international trade, Barack Obama is now proposing yet another so-called stimulus package, which would do very little to grow the economy. And his proposal to finance the package with higher taxes on oil would raise oil prices directly and by reducing exploration and production.
We are equally concerned with his proposals to increase tax rates on labor income and investment. His dividend and capital gains tax increases would reduce investment and cut into the savings of millions of Americans. His proposals to increase income and payroll tax rates would discourage the formation and expansion of small businesses and reduce employment and take-home pay, as would his mandates on firms to provide expensive health insurance.
After hearing such economic criticism of his proposals, Barack Obama has apparently suggested to some people that he might postpone his tax increases, perhaps to 2010. But it is a mistake to think that postponing such tax increases would prevent their harmful effect on the economy today. The prospect of such tax rate increases in 2010 is already a drag on the economy. Businesses considering whether to hire workers today and expand their operations have time horizons longer than a year or two, so the prospect of higher taxes starting in 2009 or 2010 reduces hiring and investment in 2008.
In sum, Barack Obama’s economic proposals are wrong for the American economy. They defy both economic reason and economic experience.
Robert Barro, Harvard University
Gary Becker, University of Chicago
Sanjai Bhagat, University of Colorado
Michael Block, University of Arizona
Brock Blomberg, Claremont-McKenna University
Michael Bordo, Rutgers University
Michael Boskin, Stanford University
Ike Brannon, McCain-Palin 2008
James Buchanan, George Mason University
Todd Buchholtz, Two Oceans Fund
Charles Calomiris, Columbia University
Jim Carter, Vienna VA
Barry Chiswick, University of Illinois at Chicago
John Cogan, Hoover Institution
Kathleen Cooper, Southern Methodist University
Ted Covey, McLean VA
Dan Crippen, former CBO Director
Mario Crucini, Vanderbilt
Steve Davis, University of Chicago
Christopher DeMuth, American Enterprise Institute
William Dewald, Ohio State University
Frank Diebold, University of Pennsylvania
Isaac Ehrlich, State University of New York at Buffalo
Paul Evans, Ohio State University
Dan Feenberg, NBER
Martin Feldstein, Harvard University
Eric Fisher, California Polytechnic State University
Kristin Forbes, MIT
Timothy Fuerst, Bowling Green State University
Diana Furchtgott-Roth, Hudson Institute
Paul Gregory, University of Houston
Earl Grinols, Baylor University
Rik Hafer, Southern Illinois University Edwardsville
Gary Hansen, UCLA
Eric Hanushek, Hoover Institutions
Kevin Hassett, American Enterprise Institute
Arlene Holen, Technology Policy Institute
Douglas Holtz-Eakin, McCain-Palin 2008
Glenn Hubbard, Columbia University
Owen Irvine, Michigan State University
Mike Jensen, Harvard University
Steven Kaplan, University of Chicago
Robert King, Boston University
Meir Kohn, Dartmouth
Marvin Kosters, American Enterprise Institute
Anne Krueger, Johns Hopkins University
Phil Levy, American Enterprise Institute
Larry Lindsey, The Lindsey Group
Paul W. MacAvoy. Yale University
John Makin, American Enterprise Institute
Burton Malkiel, Princeton University
Bennett McCallum, Carnegie-Mellon University
Paul McCracken, University of Michigan
Will Melick, Kenyon College
Allan Meltzer, Carnegie-Mellon University
Enrique Mendoza, University of Maryland
Jim Miller, George Mason University
Michael Moore, George Washington University
Robert Mundell, Columbia University
Tim Muris, George Mason University
Kevin Murphy, University of Chicago
Richard Muth, Emory University
Charles Nelson, University of Washington
Bill Niskanen, Cato Institute
June O’Neill, Baruch College, CUNY
Lydia Ortega, San Jose State University
Steve Parente, University of Minnesota
William Poole, University of Delaware
Michael Porter, Harvard University
Barry Poulson, University of Colorado, Boulder
Edward Prescott, Arizona State University
Kenneth Rogoff, Harvard University
Richard Roll, UCLA
Harvey Rosen, Princeton University
Robert Rossana, Wayne State University
Mark Rush, University of Florida
Tom Saving, Texas A&M University
Anna Schwartz, NBER
George Shultz, Stanford University
Chester Spatt, Carnegie-Mellon University
David Spencer, Brigham Young University
Beryl Sprinkle, Former Chair Council of Economic Advisers
Houston Stokes, University of Illinois in Chicago
Robert Tamura, Clemson University
Jack Tatum, Indiana State University
John Taylor, Stanford University
Richard Vedder, Ohio University
William B. Walstad, University of Nebraska
Murray Weidenbaum, Washington University in St. Louis
Arnold Zellner, University of Chicago
http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/News/PressReleases/96557315-1694-4d8f-9b0a-c29f0f0872e6.htm
I seem to have copy/pasted the letter three times. Well, maybe Hal will manage to read it at least once, then.
Feeling pretty disillusioned. I believe we’ve been abandoned by our government. I feel sorry for people who really believe Obama will be their saviour, because they will be very disappointed. I think it’s been a long time since we had a government that was by us, or for us. This is no longer the country of our founder, there is no basic right to life, liberty, or the pursuit of happiness. We’ve lost our government, beginning with local politics, which is where all politics begins. I hope you’re all as interested in what’s going on in your own town as you are in national politics. I know the high school team isn’t as exciting as the NFL, but that’s where the players come from…
Abortion is a telling example. Our government refuses to protect the least of its citizens in exchange for political expedience. This is not MY government.
Erin, I fully expect to be disappointed by Obama at times. But what a change from being constantly offended and dismayed.
JL Since not one of those “brilliant economists” foresaw the current crisis, I give no weight to their judgment on any subject.
Hi Erin. Nice post.
Hey, I have a favor to ask. We actually have another poster who goes by the name Erin (because her name is Erin too!) and she is pro-choice. Not that anyone would get the two of you confused, but could you maybe add something in your name to distinguish the two of you, like “Pro-life Erin” or “Erin G” or “Running Erin”… something like that. Thanks, God love you.
ZOMG MY CLONING PROJECT IS SUCCESSFUL! MUAHAHAHA!
Also, MK, I’m sorry about your dad. We’re expecting my grandfather to most likely pass away this weekend as well. *hugs*
(Erin classic)
PPC, George Bush and John McCain foresaw the crisis. I guess that means you support them.
Bobby, what did you want to ask me?
John, if you ever decide to rise above the GOP/McCain/Fox News talking points on the crisis, there are excellent resources available.
To Erin with the blog,(hello to the other Erin. :)
I have been feeling a little despair lately especially with the news and the polls and the blah blah blah of it all. I do not put my hope in any man. Obama or McCain cannot FIX this country.
I found this today.
We are hard pressed on every side, but not crushed, perplexed, but not in despair, persecuted, but not abandoned, struck down but not destroyed.
2 Corinthians 4:9
mk, my condolences to you and all who have lost such a righteous presence. I shall include special intentions for your Father in my daily rosary. ts
MK,
a little late..but you can count on my prayers for
your family, too…
Eternal rest grant unto him, O Lord.
And let Perpetual light shine upon him.
May he Rest in Peace.
Amen.
It is NEVER too late for prayer, RSD. Never.
mk, my prayers are with you and your family too. God bless.
I’m sorry for you, mk. I am happy for your father though. No more suffering, no more pain. You’re in my thoughts.
hey john,
where did you get that article, i would love to pass it on!
Glad we agree on something Hal! I cant wait for millions of Americans to discover Obama voted against BAIPA. Even Boxer and Clinton did not go that far!
Posted by: Joanne at October 9, 2008 8:10 PM
When was Clinton in the Illinois legislature? and Boxer was too?
Supreme Minister of the Nation of Islam, Louis Farrakhan, declares Barack Obama to be a messiah!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OowxMcVTjTE
Imagine the excitement of the mainstream media if they had discovered that some preacher up in Alaska had declared Sarah Palin to be like a deity?
MSM is silent on this.
can someone ban hisman..he creeps me out.. kinda one of those freaky readical types that abuses children.. yick!
Jasper, as I posted the other day, Palin WAS inspired to be governor by an African witch-chasing preacher, who blessed her. I am not sure if he pronounced her “to be like a diety”. That video is on u tube as well.
You are right, the MSM has not reported on this, and many other of Palin’s activities and associates. The “Troopergate” report that was to come out today may have been suppressed as well.
Thanks for that, Carla. I am not despairing about God, I’m despairing over this country. Sometimes I think it’s been dead since 1973 (before I was even born). Whatever this is that we are living in, I’m not sure it has anything to do with the original vision of the founders. There can be no meaningful conversation between two sides so opposed. Trying to explain the value of an unborn human to a pro-choice person is like trying to explain the sunset to a blind man. Until you have seen, there are no words that will make a difference.
The Other Erin,
That’s what I am saying. No matter who becomes President, what state our economy is in whether PC see the light…God is in control. :)
It is hard in these times to trust in that but I do.
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Finish reading on this link – there are even copies of 2 emails Obama sent from the US Senate!
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=77508
The Logan Act (18 U.S.C.A. § 953 [1948]) is a single federal statute making it a crime for a citizen to confer with foreign governments against the interests of the United States. Specifically, it prohibits citizens from negotiating with other nations on behalf of the United States without authorization.
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will this be a crime for him since he’s not a US citizen just wondering
James, once again, go sell crazy somewhere else, we are all stocked up here…
You’re sucking on the lying teet of satan
Fruitcake mode.
truthseeker: The stock market is going down and is going to keep going down as long as Obama leads in the polls.
:: laughing ::
MK, I love you. Bless you.
Your father was a great guy. Period. And I’d also say that based on the fact that he had you.
John L, people are “worried” about Obama’s economic policies? ; )
Well, we’ve gone 232 years into the history of this country, and built up a debt and unfunded liability of $50, $60, $80 trillion Dollars.
McCain or Obama next President; almost no difference. We’re going to continue running red ink, but to maintain that there is some “big” difference between the two candidates economically is just silly.
If I said I was proud to be a man, then I am sure some would say I was a male chauvinist. (Can you be a female chauvinsit or a black, brown, yellow racist? YES!)
!!!!!!!!
THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!! Oh my gosh, I am so sick of people thinking that only white people can be racist and only men can be sexist/chauvinists! Maybe that is more prevalent in our society, but how backwards is it to accept any kind of racism/sexism, typical or no? Anti-man is not pro-woman! Anti-white is not pro-black, or whatever colour! It’s anti-human. We’re all people, aren’t we???
Discrimination that is acceptable to society (reverse racism, female chauvinism) are just as bad and even worse than those considered unacceptable.
It’s good to get that out.
Hey Doug–I tried to send you an email yesterday and your mailbox rejected me. :(
If Nobama loses the election, maybe you could send him to Canada, where we give awards to baby killers.
This is the darkest day in Canadian history. Its an abomination, and our Governor General and others call him an “inspiration” and he “has values we should be happy to celebrate”.
I am NOT making this up!
http://www.canada.com/windsorstar/news/story.html?id=b405f0a3-1878-4a66-9514-d78f90dbe4d3
I already took 50% of my 401k out on loan and I won’t put it back in unless McCain wins the election.
Truthseeker, that’s a very bad thing to do.
You have to pay it back with interest, and both your repayments and the interest are not tax-deductible.
Aside from that, I take it that Bush’s plan to at least partially privatize Social Security and put it in the stock market isn’t too hot with you? ; )
Hey Doug–I tried to send you an email yesterday and your mailbox rejected me. :(
Oh $^#&@%$*?!, sorry, Leah – consider your domain now permitted.
Joanne,
Maybe a rebellion is at hand for our corrupt governments and courts.
Liberal judges in Connecticut today made their own law and legalized homosexual marriage.
They said if Obama isn’t elected their would be riots.
maybe it’s time for us to riot.
Mccain said today that Obama is a decent man and we have nothing to fear if he is elected. Finally, some decency from McCain
Jasper,
We have had legalized gay marriages in Canada for about three years now. When it was voted on in government, members were threatened with expulsion from their political party if they didnt vote “yes.” The only exception was the conservative party, which allowed a free vote for their members.
However it easily passed, proudly proclaimed by our Prime Minister who called himself a Catholic.
And as far as abortion goes in Canada, we have no abortion law. That baby killer that got the “award” today here was responsible for getting the Supreme Court to stike down abortion laws 20 years ago. Now its complete abortion on demand in this country, right up to the 9th month.
And not a single leader of our major federal parties (we have 3) has a problem with this.
Our current PM is a “conservative” and insists there will be no abortion debate allowed. We have an election next week, and it doesnt matter the outcome, all three leaders are pro death.
We do have The Christian Heritage Party but they are only voting in about 1/4 of the ridings across the country.
I’m glad that the US has a large pro life group, and that you have an alternative when you vote next month. We dont have either in this country, and its shameful.
Hal,
We have plenty to fear if Nobama is elected.
If you don’t like whats happening with the economy now, wait until Nobama is president.
“However it easily passed, proudly proclaimed by our Prime Minister who called himself a Catholic. ”
I’m tired of Catholic politicians, they are the worst of the bunch. And that’s coming from me ( a Catholic). They are single handedly responsible for the legalization of abortion in the U.S.
Joanne,
If Obama is elected it will be a dagger in the heart of the pro-life community. I’m considering giving up on the pro-life work I’ve been involved with if he is elected. The damage he could do will last for decades.
Jasper,
Sadly I agree. He promised one of the first things he would do is pass the Freedom of Choice Act, which would make the US just as Canada with no abortion restrictions at all.
I can’t imagine in addition to Nobama winning that Pelosi and Reid would be in charge as well. With those three, the damage they would do to the economy as well as the unborn is just too frightening to think about.
He can’t be that radical if no one has died as a result of a militant call to war, and he hasn’t threatened to blow up anything (say the Murrah Federal Building perhaps) or holed his kids up at Ruby Ridge. Seriously, speaking as a white guy we’ve been screwing things up for over 200 years… and you’re afraid of a black dude with a funny name. Wow. Real Christian. If the Lord is your savior then there should be no fear. God is good, even when the person you don’t agree with is president. I should know, I’ve seen proof for the last 8 years.
Joanne,
It truly boggles the mind — this guy (Dr. Morgentaler) is a holocaust survivor and talks about being able to live his “dream” — to create ” a more humane society”! It really is diabolical.
No, Yo La, he isn’t radical — if you don’t think that it is radical to plan to overturn all laws putting restrictions on abortion at the federal, state, and local levels.
“… and you’re afraid of a black dude with a funny name. Wow. Real Christian”
Hey Dumbell,
were not afraid because he’s black or because of his name. Look at his abortion record on the right-hand side of the screen.
Eileen,
I know…. how twisted can someone’s mind be?
And there has been very little protest to this today…. very, very little.
Sadly too many Christians seem to think that although abortion is wrong, “there are more important issues.”
Not when we are killing defenseless babies!!
Jasper,
Yo La is doing exactly what the liberals and their mouthpiece, the MSM, are doing by yelling “racism” simply because we want to question (very serious) issues.
Joanne,
People have become too comfortable, complacent, and desensitized — that is why someone like B. Obama has been able to garner such a following.
Hal,
Is this you or are you still quoting Frank Schaefer?
I say this as a white, former life-long Republican. I say this as the proud father of a Marine. I say this as just another American watching his pension evaporate along with the stock market! I speak as someone who knows it’s time to forget party loyalty, ideology and pride and put the country first. I say this as someone happy to be called a fool for going out on a limb and declaring that, 1) Obama will win, and 2) he is going to be amongst the greatest of American presidents.
Posted by: hal at October 9, 2008 9:25 PM
kbhvac
I agree with you Eileen. I bet if you asked 100 Nobama supporters what his (true) policies are 99 couldn’t tell you. They only could say they want “change”.
Well they sure will get change if he gets in! But not what they are counting on.
What we used to call evil is now being considered good. A baby killer is a “hero” to many.
Is it any wonder our countries are in serious trouble?
McCain finally makes an ad about ACORN and Obama’s ties with them:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Je7gy9ZnYY
ACORN and similar groups are the ones ultimately responsible for the banking crisis. Obama was their willing ally. Now Obama is getting cash for ACORN while they engage in voter fraud to help him get elected.
Truthseeker, that’s a very bad thing to do.
You have to pay it back with interest, and both your repayments and the interest are not tax-deductible.
Posted by Doug:
Doug, it has already saved me about 40% of the value of what I took out a month ago. I am making out like a bandit and I could pop it back in today at no penalty. But I won’t put it back in until McCain wins the election cause if Obama gets in then the bottom will be when his tax increases kick in. His bull about 95% of Americans getting a tax break doesn’t fool educated people. His tax increases on the more fortunate and his tax increases on corporations will have an immediate effect. And when president Bush’s tax cuts expire in 09 a lot more of the 95% are going to realize they are paying higher taxes under Obama. Obama wants the money in the governments hands and not in the peoples. I won’t reinvest till I am sure he doesn’t get into office. And if he does get into office I’ll put into gold, not mutual funds.
“Now Obama is getting cash for ACORN while they engage in voter fraud to help him get elected.”
You have no idea what you are talking about.
pip,
Why is Obama tryong to deny his Acorn association now. Isn’t that where he learned his leadership skills as a community organizer?
He can’t be that radical if no one has died as a result of a militant call to war, and he hasn’t threatened to blow up anything (say the Murrah Federal Building perhaps) or holed his kids up at Ruby Ridge. Seriously, speaking as a white guy we’ve been screwing things up for over 200 years… and you’re afraid of a black dude with a funny name. Wow. Real Christian. If the Lord is your savior then there should be no fear. God is good, even when the person you don’t agree with is president. I should know, I’ve seen proof for the last 8 years.
Posted by: Yo La Tango at October 10, 2008 9:11 PM
Yo, many people could have said the same about Hitler before he came to power. I’m not saying Obama is another Hitler. Do we really know what kind of leader anyone will be until they are placed in that position? With Obama, we haven’t seen him in any kind of leadership role before. His actions on BAIPA were pathetic, to say the least.
You are right, that God IS good. We, as citizens of the U.S. still have the responsibility to elect a President who will lead us in a Godly way. Allowing the killing of babies, born and unborn, cannot be tolerated. Period.
Why is Obama tryong to deny his Acorn association now. Isn’t that where he learned his leadership skills as a community organizer?
Posted by: truthseeker at October 11, 2008 2:37 AM
Gosh truthseeker, could he be hiding something?
“Obama’s ACORN: A Corrupt Organization of Revolutionary Nuts”
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2102541/posts
“In 1992, Newman hired Obama to lead Project Vote efforts in Illinois. The Illinois drive’s motto: ‘It’s a Power Thing.’
There can be no meaningful conversation between two sides so opposed. Trying to explain the value of an unborn human to a pro-choice person is like trying to explain the sunset to a blind man
There can ALWAYS be meaningful conversation…ALWAYS. You never know what word or phrase will make a difference.
If a blind man can’t SEE the sunset, then perhaps you should speak to his soul, rather than his eyes.
Don’t limit yourself, think outside the box, and you might be surprised what a difference you can make with an opposing view.
You might not be able to make a difference, but God can, using your voice.
ts,
Please give me documentation that Obama is denying he used to work for ACORN.
Why is everyone so up in arms about FOCA? It seems to me if anyone challenges it and brings it to the supreme court it ought to be overturned because the state has a compelling interest (according to Roe v Wade)
PIP,
The Federal Election Commission reports show ACORN-affiliated Citizens Services Inc. got $832,598 from the Obama campaign for get-out-the-vote work and to help Obama steal the election.
Again. This Obama guy has some creepy friends.
You tell alot by the company a man keeps.
Wright, Ayers, Resko, ACORN, Hollywood friends
Jasper, I am afraid you won’t be invited to spend the night in the Lincoln Bedroom for the next 8 years, if you don’t stop dissing President Obama.
Jasper,
I never knew that encouraging people to vote, and people voting for Obama is him ‘stealing’ the election.
Encouraging people to vote is one thing. Giving homeless people food in order to convince them to register to vote multiple times under multiple names and cast early ballots each time is, however, not “encouraging” people to vote. It’s vote fraud. (One man registered 27 times!) Getting college students revved up by Cuba Gooding Jr. and ensuring they both register to vote and cast their early ballots for Obama during the hyped up frenzy resembling a church revival is not “encouraging” people to vote, it’s manipulation.
Ballots with multiple names are not going to be cast multiple times in that name. That’s what the board of elections does- it catches those multiples and they don’t make it. Regardless of whether ACORN catches the multiples or obvious fakes (and they have someone who does this), they have to still turn the cards in to be reviewed by the election board. They aren’t allowed to just burn them or throw them away. So again, ACORN the organization actually loses in the situation because they are paying low-level employees to (if its intentional) take advantage of them. They would have nothing to gain from this situation.
ts,
Please give me documentation that Obama is denying he used to work for ACORN.
Posted by: prettyinpink at October 11, 2008 7:56 AM.
pip,
Maybe you could show me where on his web site he mentions “ACORN”. And fraud is not encouraging people to vote. And aren’t federally funded organizations like ACORN are supposed to be politically neutral. Isn’t it dishonest to direct their money and attention towards political campaigning for one candidate.Oh ya, not if you learned your politics in Chicago.
Truthseeker-
If you look closely, he tells how he was a lawyer that represented ACORN and he worked for organizations that were affiliated with ACORN (you know, one of the ‘community organizations’)
“And fraud is not encouraging people to vote. ”
Reread what I have posted and responded to.
“And aren’t federally funded organizations like ACORN are supposed to be politically neutral.”
ACORN housing is politically neutral, but it does get involved politically and has a PAC group to represent itself- but no that is not necessarily a requirement. For example, this is something that gets flak here, PP gets federal funding and it clearly has political goals.
“Isn’t it dishonest to direct their money and attention towards political campaigning for one candidate.”
They aren’t doing that, you clearly don’t know enough about ACORN to make these statements.
it has already saved me about 40% of the value of what I took out a month ago.
Truthseeker, indeed – that was some good timing, but overall it’s not good to raid one’s 401-K.
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I am making out like a bandit and I could pop it back in today at no penalty. But I won’t put it back in until McCain wins the election cause if Obama gets in then the bottom will be when his tax increases kick in. His bull about 95% of Americans getting a tax break doesn’t fool educated people. His tax increases on the more fortunate and his tax increases on corporations will have an immediate effect. And when president Bush’s tax cuts expire in 09 a lot more of the 95% are going to realize they are paying higher taxes under Obama. Obama wants the money in the governments hands and not in the peoples. I won’t reinvest till I am sure he doesn’t get into office. And if he does get into office I’ll put into gold, not mutual funds.
Betting against the Dollar (and on gold, etc.) is certainly a good thing, a foolproof thing, IMO, due to the actions and desire of the US gov’t.
But really, regardless of who’s the next President, we’re in for some relatively tough economic times.
Joanne: Christian Heritage Party runs here in Lethbridge but they get less than 1000 votes. The Conservatives always win.
I skipped Spanish to go to apolitical forum at the university. It was really interesting. I met all the candidates except the CHP one–he left before I got to meet him.
But I was asking about immigration–not abortion. It affects me, as a foreigner.
Jasper: re: riots. The French riot all the time. My boyfriend and I make fun of them for it. Once someone threw a motorbike through the window of the secretary of transportation for raising transit prices or something like that. It doesn’t have any relevance to your rioting, of course–just some fun trivia.
A slight bit of discord: RIOT!! S’funny.
But really, regardless of who’s the next President, we’re in for some relatively tough economic times.
Posted by: Doug at October 11, 2008 7:17 PM
Ya Doug, but who is the next president wil make a big difference. If Obama gets taxes will go up and the economy can and will get much worse.
“Isn’t it dishonest to direct their money and attention towards political campaigning for one candidate.”
They aren’t doing that, you clearly don’t know enough about ACORN to make these statements.
Posted by: prettyinpink at October 11, 2008 3:39 PM
pip, for the love of God, you cleary need to take a breath and step back for moment if you can state that ACORN does not do political campainging for Obama.
ACORN does political campaigning on behalf of all different kinds of politicians, not just Obama (i.e. not one candidate), should they ask our assistance. Of course, ACORN money isn’t used for that, the politicians’ are. They fund their workers to do work.
Yeah, “to do work”…. like paying them so much for each registration card signed, no matter who signs it, or how many others they’ve already signed. Some “work”.
Doyle:
A. campaign work is separate from voter reg
B. See above about voter reg
and also Doyle they don’t get paid per card, they get paid per hour. They get commission if they get over a certain amount of cards. Thought I’d clarify.
“ACORN does political campaigning on behalf of all different kinds of politicians, not just Obama”
LOL.
Not surprisingly it turns out that Reverend Jeremiah Wright and Father Michael Pfleger – two radical and racist clergy closely associated with Obama – have extensive ties to ACORN . Their views fit nicely within the ACORN anti-capitalist agenda that they have been pushing for years.
More evidence, if any were needed, that Obama’s past associations have defined him as a politician and that the more radicals that turn up in his background, the more we must question just what his beliefs truly are.
ACORN does political campaigning on behalf of all different kinds of politicians, not just Obama (i.e. not one candidate), should they ask our assistance.
PiP,
“ask our assistance” – Unless I’m misinterpreting your words, it sounds like you work for ACORN. Do you?
but who is the next president wil make a big difference. If Obama gets taxes will go up and the economy can and will get much worse.
Truthseeker, I just have to disagree with this, mightily.
Drop in the bucket – that’s the difference in the two candidates’ economic plans, with respect to what difference it will make to the average American.
Truthseeker, pursuant to the above, do you really think it would have made a substantial difference for the average American had a Republican, versus Clinton, been President from 1992 to 2000, or had a Democrat, versus Bush Jr. been in from 2000 to the present?
Truthseeker, I just have to disagree with this, mightily.
Drop in the bucket – that’s the difference in the two candidates’ economic plans, with respect to what difference it will make to the average American.
Posted by: Doug at October 12, 2008 8:07 PM
Doug, easy for you to say I guess, but I am one of the millions who work in corporate America and an Obama presidency, his tax hikes, could cost me my job. Guess you don’t see that though.
Truthseeker, pursuant to the above, do you really think it would have made a substantial difference for the average American had a Republican, versus Clinton, been President from 1992 to 2000, or had a Democrat, versus Bush Jr. been in from 2000 to the present?
Posted by: Doug at October 12, 2008 8:11 PM
Doug, I can’t say for sure what would have happened if Carter or Clinton were never president. If Carter hadn’t passed the Community Reinvestment Act in 1977, and Clinton hadn’t made the regulatory changes that allowed them such a dramatic increase in their activities, our banking problems wouldn’t be nearly as severe. Note that George W signed the
Financial Institutions Reform Recovery and Enforcement Act of 1989 (FIRREA) to try and hold the banks accountable and then it was Clinton who removed the regulations. Plenty of Republicans wanted to pass more regulations during Bush Jr’s presidency but it was the Democrats who resisted because providing credit for homes to low income people was part of their platform and Obama was as deep into that as possible when he acted as an attorney and sued non-compliant banks for ACORN.
So to answer your question, if Clinton hadn’t been elected then the regulation put in place would not have been removed and YES that would have likely made the financial meltdown much less severe.
“Drop in the bucket – that’s the difference in the two candidates’ economic plans, with respect to what difference it will make to the average American.”
Anonymous: Doug, easy for you to say I guess, but I am one of the millions who work in corporate America and an Obama presidency, his tax hikes, could cost me my job. Guess you don’t see that though.
Is it possible that Obama might directly affect you adversely, yes. It’s also possible that McCain might.
I have not seen it demonstrated that Obama poses any great threat to corporate America, any more than Clinton or the Bushes did, for example.
By far, the greatest thing facing corporate America is all the red ink that’s out there, a thing that’s at least as much the fault of Republicans as it is of Democrats.
However, for you personally, if you really have evidence of Obama’s threat to you then it’d be wise to be making preparations for a job change, because McCain’s campaign has just been going down the tubes since Palin was chosen.
Doug, I can’t say for sure what would have happened if Carter or Clinton were never president. If Carter hadn’t passed the Community Reinvestment Act in 1977, and Clinton hadn’t made the regulatory changes that allowed them such a dramatic increase in their activities, our banking problems wouldn’t be nearly as severe. Note that George W signed the Financial Institutions Reform Recovery and Enforcement Act of 1989 (FIRREA) to try and hold the banks accountable and then it was Clinton who removed the regulations. Plenty of Republicans wanted to pass more regulations during Bush Jr’s presidency but it was the Democrats who resisted because providing credit for homes to low income people was part of their platform and Obama was as deep into that as possible when he acted as an attorney and sued non-compliant banks for ACORN.
This has been mentioned before, and even without arguing it, it’s a pittance against the problems from credit default swaps – a situation much more the fault of Republicans.
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So to answer your question, if Clinton hadn’t been elected then the regulation put in place would not have been removed and YES that would have likely made the financial meltdown much less severe.
Heh – no, not “much less severe.” Maybe a tiny bit less severe, but the hundreds of billions of Dollars, perhaps even a trillion or two there, are nothing compared to the many dozens of trillions of Dollars within the problem that is hammering the credit markets.
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Anyway, what I was asking about was the last two Presidencies, which happen to be two-termers.
Bush Jr’s time is ending up to be really crappy for the average American – energy prices going way up and now the financial problems coming home to roost. If a Democrat had been in, is there a good argument to be made that it would have been substantially better or worse? I don’t think there is anything very persuasive there.
Same for Clinton. He presided over a monumental stock market rally, lesser federal deficits, etc., but again, would a republican really have been much “worse.” I think the answer is “heck no.” Nor is there much to be said for a republican making things “much better” than they were.
Tell you what – whoever wins this time, I’m now thinking it’ll be a one-term Presidency – the economic woes are going to be tough on them
The rule is “take your pain early,” i.e. have a restrictive money policy, if needed, during the first couple years, then ease up and prime the pumps and run the presses heading toward re-election time. I don’t think there’s much room to maneuver, now, though.