Obama: counting on the willing suspension of belief
When John McCain brought up Barack Obama’s opposition to the IL Born Alive Infants Protection Act during last night’s presidential debate, Obama indignantly responded:
If it sounds incredible that I would vote to withhold lifesaving treatment from an infant, that’s because it’s not true.
Savvy strategy, and not the first time his side has used something close to this line. When National Right to Life first outted Obama in August as having voted against the identical version of Born Alive in IL that passed overwhelmingly on the federal level, Obama’s incensed campaign at first denied it all, saying in a written statement:
The suggestion that Obama – the proud father of 2 little girls – and others who opposed these bills supported infanticide is deeply offensive and insulting.
Is the too-crazy-to-be-true strategy of denial working? Maybe. Bearing in mind the following comes from an Obama aide via Byron York in National Review Online today, still…
[W]hen moderator Bob Schieffer of CBS asked whether either man could nominate to the Supreme Court a judicial candidate with whom he disagreed on Roe v. Wade. McCain used the question to disavow any litmus tests for judges, and then brought up Obama’s vote, in the IL state senate, against a born-alive protection bill.
Pro-lifers were undoubtedly happy to see McCain bring it up, but the Obama aide told me it wasn’t a problem. “When he made the attack on the born-alive legislation, you saw a vertical drop in the dial groups that was pretty astounding,” the aide said. “People didn’t find it credible.” There has been a lot of back-and-forth about what version of the born-alive bill was up for consideration, but you can make a pretty solid case that Obama did indeed do what McCain said he did. Nevertheless, if the aide’s account is correct, people didn’t buy it.
So here we may have a scenario of Obama supporting something so heinous people simply may not believe it.
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
“Steal a little, they throw you in jail, steal a lot and they make you king.” Bob Dylan
Jill and all like minded folks! You have got to listen/watch these two videos that we’ve shared on our blog. http://countusout.wordpress.com/2008/10/16/obamanation-sends-secret-service-thought-police-to-harass-anti-obama-former-marine/
and
http://countusout.wordpress.com/2008/10/15/inside-barack-obamas-heart-soul-character-on-infanticide/
People don’t want to believe it.
Just like the Germans didn’t want to believe what was happening to the Jews.
The standard tactic. How dare you have the audacity to question his brilliance and caring.
Of course they are in denial.
As Christina stated, so were most of the Germans when Hitler and the Nazis were committing their horrific crimes.
This is the stuff civil wars are made of:
This should make you so angry that maybe some of you might actually get involved.
Do not allow ACORN and Barack Obama to steal our country……….
What have so many men and women given their lives for? Why did Barack Obama work for ACORN? Why was there money earmarked for ACORN in the original draft of the 700 billion bailout plan? Who tried to sneak that into the bill?
WE DEMAND ANSWERS NOW!!!!
Amidst 200,000 voter discrepancies, Ohio elections chief appeals to U.S. Supreme Court
The AP reports:
Ohio’s top elections chief has asked the U.S. Supreme Court to intervene in a dispute over whether the state is required to do more to help counties verify voter eligibility, a spokesman for her office said Thursday . . .
At least 200,000 newly registered voters have mismatched data, according to an initial review by Brunner’s office . . .
One News Now carries this related report: Might ACORN grow into something bigger?
From the website of House Republican Leader John Boehner: Boehner Releases Analysis Showing ACORN Has Received at Least $31 Million in Federal Funding; Untold Millions More through State & Local Agencies
From Boehner’s press release: “A breakdown of federal funds received by ACORN can be found here.”
Alabama Policy Institute: ACORN Threatens Honest Elections “American voters have become accustomed to allegations of fraud surrounding elections. But what is happening now surpasses anything that may have happened in past elections, and it could determine the future of the nation.”
What have so many men and women given their lives for? Why did Barack Obama work for ACORN? Why was there money earmarked for ACORN in the original draft of the 700 billion bailout plan? Who tried to sneak that into the bill?
WE DEMAND ANSWERS NOW!!!!
We need more debates like the Lincoln – Douglas debates The first candidate spoke for an hour straight, the second candidate spoke for an hour and a half, and then first candidate had a half-hour rebuttle, so to speak. That would be plenty of time for McCain to delve deeply into these issues.
http://www.consequences.org/
So here we may have a scenario of Obama supporting something so heinous people simply may not believe it.
I think that is the case with many, many people…it’s very sad to think that people will so quickly dismiss the idea without researching it for themselves first to see if it is true.
HisMan, did you miss the video of John McCain praising ACORN two years ago?
And to Jill’s point, Obama doesn’t support anything heinous. You really have lost perspective on that Bill.
Hal:
Was it public knowledge that ACORN was a fraudulent arm of the heinous fraudulent Democratic Party?
Barack Obama is an accomplished liar. He is soooo smooth. He has gullible people hanging on his every word. All he has to do is look into the camera and maintain a look of sincerity and people buy it. But what else would one expect from the minions who rely on the MSM to do their thinking for them.
We are regressing to a kind of cultural adolescent morality, where right and wrong are measured by the sound and looks of it and what feels good as opposed to measuring things with critical analysis, fact checking, and objectivity.
But there is still time and it is a tight race. In the end common sense should prevail and the majority will select experience and a true American hero to be our next president.
And to Jill’s point, Obama doesn’t support anything heinous. You really have lost perspective on that Bill.
Posted by: Hal at October 16, 2008 11:10 PM
You know all the facts, but still worship the ground he walks on. Gullible much?
I’m surprised ACORN has gotten this much press. For such a small organization the republicans have really created a great scapegoat.
PIP:
Take off your rose-colored glasses and think and meditate on the following scripture especially verse 20:
Jeremiah 8:19-21
“19 Listen to the cry of my people
from a land far away:
“Is the LORD not in Zion?
Is her King no longer there?”
“Why have they provoked me to anger with their images, with their worthless foreign idols?”
20 “The harvest is past,
the summer has ended,
and we are not saved.”
21 Since my people are crushed, I am crushed;
I mourn, and horror grips me.”
This too……King Saul committed suicide…….when his evil deeds caught up with him.
yeah…who cares about voting fraud and helping to crash our economic system through strong-arming lenders into bad business practices? no big, right? republicans are just a bunch of over-reacting, crotchety, fuddy-duddies with no vision or imagination. no fun.
http://sendables.jibjab.com/sendables/1191/time_for_some_campaignin#/teaser/1191
PIP,
This article explains the extent of ACORN’s influence in urban areas with many additional sources of information named within.
http://article.nationalreview.com/print/?q=NDZiMjkwMDczZWI5ODdjOWYxZTIzZGIyNzEyMjE0ODI=
Inside Obama’s Acorn
By their fruits ye shall know them.
By Stanley Kurtz
(Excerpt):
RADICAL OBAMA
Important as these questions of funding and partisanship are, the larger point is that Obama’s ties to Acorn — arguably the most politically radical large-scale activist group in the country — are wide, deep, and longstanding. If Acorn is adept at creating a non-partisan, inside-game veneer for what is in fact an intensely radical, leftist, and politically partisan reality, so is Obama himself. This is hardly a coincidence: Obama helped train Acorn’s leaders in how to play this game. For the most part, Obama seems to have favored the political-insider strategy, yet it’s clear that he knew how to play the in-your-face “direct action” game as well. And surely during his many years of close association with Acorn, Obama had to know what the group was all about.
The shame of it is that when the L. A. Times returned to Obama’s stomping grounds, it found the park he’d helped renovate reclaimed by drug dealers and thugs. The community organizer strategy may generate feel-good moments and best-selling books, but I suspect a Wal-Mart as the seed-bed of a larger shopping complex would have done far more to save the neighborhood where Obama worked to organize in the “progressive” fashion. Unfortunately, Obama’s Acorn cronies have blocked that solution.
In any case, if you’re looking for the piece of the puzzle that confirms and explains Obama’s network of radical ties, gather your Acorns this spring. Or next winter, you may just be left watching the “President from Acorn” at his feast.
— Stanley Kurtz is a senior fellow at the Ethics and Public Policy Center and an NRO contributing editor.
Like I mentioned in a post yesterday, I’m fully convinced that you could show an Obamabot irrefutable proof and they would still deny, deny, deny.
Fingers in ears much?
Not being a biblical scholar, but recalling that there is SOME reference to this in the Bible, could I call on one of our resident Bible quote experts to give Jill a support quote? HisMan? Chris? Bobby? truthseeker? Jasper? Anyone? Anyone?
Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
Isaiah 5:20
Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
Ephesians 6:11-13
Do all things without murmurings and disputings: That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world.
Philippians 2:14-15
But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. Therefore let us not sleep, as [do] others; but let us watch and be sober.
1 Thessalonians 5:1-6
I thought these quotes were at least somewhat applicable to this post.
Some choose to see; many choose not to see. It is the free will given to man by God that allows this.
well x,
Your misconceptions have been corrected many times over to your reply finally being that I am ‘making excuses.’ I would say that would be your willful ignorance playing out. It’s easy to blame your frustration on an organization associated with Obama, I understand.
Janet,
I’m fully aware of Acorn’s intentions and successes in communities and for the most part local politicians recognize it even if republicans don’t.
PIP,
I’m sure there are inner city Democrats who do not support ACORN’s agenda. It’s a socialist ideology that goes beyond party politics which you fail to see. You have to dig deep for information because the MSM is as clueless about them as mainstream America.
There are lots of sources in the article I linked to.
Are you a supporter of a socialist system?
I’m surprised ACORN has gotten this much press. For such a small organization the republicans have really created a great scapegoat.
PIP, this too shall pass….
Did you finish up the “being pregnant” deal? I’m very interested in your findings.
If pro-abortion advocates, even those who comment here, don’t have a problem with butchering babies, or delivering them for execution, then they obviously don’t care about any lives except their own.
Kill their child, kill their grandchild – what difference does it make to them? The right of child-free fornication remains. The ultimate act of selfishness is to sacrifice your own flesh and blood for your own pleasure.
Obama isn’t counting on the apprehension or disbelief of those who care, he’s counting on the apathy of those who are fully self-centered, because the world revolves around them.
They’ve already suspended belief in morality. They’ve rejected the natural order of things. Life is – disposable.
Should Obama lose, there are numerous indicators that we may see a serious wave of violence in this country.
Every slippery slope has a precipice.
Doug, yes I have- it is just taking time to edit. I have hours of footage and I don’t have a script (I think I’d rather someone else write it so I”m looking around for those who are willing too :P). So right now I”m just editing and putting things in order. One of my out of town friends think I’m really pregnant and today actually is the day I break it to her. I’m so nervous, I feel bad I let her think this for so long!
I think he’s also counting on the economy. Unborn children die in secret, and their bodies are hidden away in biohazard containers. Meanwhile, the spectacular implosion of our country’s financial sector is front-and-center in most people’s lives.
Most American voters will put their financial well-being ahead of the lives of unborn children. :(
I’ve been telling you that your lies are too heinous to be believed for months now.
It’s an interesting strategy. First, you vote (4 times) against a bill to require medical treatment for abortion surviving babies. Second, you deny that you would ever do such a thing. Third, you accuse anyone who asks you about your votes of being a “liar”. Fourth, you hope that your supporters hate Republicans so much that they will overlook your votes and your lies about them.
Who knows, it might work.
The ACORN stuff is pathetic.
You guys need to realize that when a paid worker fraudulently fills out a bunch of voter registration cards for Mickey Mouse and Daffy Duck, Mickey Mouse and Daffy Duck won’t actually show up to vote.
It’s a silly thing to get worked up over, but I guess it’s all the GOP has left. Sad.
Yep, Doyle. That strategy is straight out of the Saul Alinsky play book “Rules for Radicals”.
http://www.semcosh.org/AlinskyTactics.htm
Reality: Mickey Mouse and Daffy Duck won’t actually show up to vote.
It’s a silly thing to get worked up over, but I guess it’s all the GOP has left. Sad.
Does George Bush look like one of those evil Monkeys in ‘The Wizard of Oz”?
“I love Mickey Mouse more than any person I’ve ever known.”
— Walt Disney
Reality,
I’m curious, what’s the appeal of Obama to you? Is there one issue that’s more important than any other? Please, if you have time, read the link I gave PIP about ACORN. The voter registration problems are just a symptom of deeper problems with the organization. (I’ve been mentioning the group for a month or two, before the voting problems made the news.) ACORN is a group that doesn’t care about the American people. They are looking for POWER and the USA is their target with OBAMA as “their man”. All of his associations as an adult have been influenced by their ideology which was influenced by the writings of Saul Alinsky (see PJ Mama’s link). I’m not making this up and you don’t even have to take my word. The evidence is there if you take the time to read.
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P.J. Mama,
I don’t think most of the younger supporters of Obama would even understand the link you posted, because their generation has not had any experience with socialism. The fall of the Berlin Wall was almost twenty years ago.
Chris A,
Obama isn’t counting on the apprehension or disbelief of those who care, he’s counting on the apathy of those who are fully self-centered, because the world revolves around them.
You hit the nail on the head. Have you noticed how Obama is so focused on his GOAL – the PRESIDENCY, he’s almost robotic in his actions? He never laughs. He doesn’t seem very happy, seems cold. Does he have any friends beside political associates? There’s something odd about him that’s hard to put a finger on.
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Universal Healthcare – After 7 months the State of Hawaii is ending its Children’s Universal Healthcare program because they cannot afford it anymore. Seems everyone who could afford it dropped their regular insurance to get it for free. If we did this nationwide as Obama proposes, would the Insurance Companies go out of business? Hey, Obama’s government could take them over!!
I think everyone on this site could use a good laugh. This is a collection of remarks from both McCain and Obama at the fund-raiser/roast they attended last night in New York. Who knew that McCain or Obama could be funny? I was practically crying from laughter:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AljrFHhSF28
the gift of laughter @1:11 PM,
Thanks for the laugh. I think the whole country benefitted from the much needed humor. For the candidates, it was a way to let off some steam! :-)
Glad you liked it! It made me laugh, and I think it helps during the silly season to remember that we’re all just people.
More on the dinner here:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/17/obama.mccain.dinner.ap/index.html
My favorite quote from Obama:
“Contrary to the rumors you have heard, I was not born in a manger. I was actually born on Krypton and sent here by my father, Jor-el, to save the planet Earth.”
That’s pretty scary, Janet. How would they make sure that people who CAN afford Health Insurance won’t do this with “national health care” if it comes to that?
Janet,
You have no idea what you are talking about. ACORN and its workers are dedicated to help working and lower income families.
And it wouldn’t support HCAN if they were socialists.
PIP,
Haven’t you read the news? ACORN is involved voter fraud. Hasn’t the FBI been called in?
In Milwaukee ACORN was found to have convicted felons collecting and holding voter applications. There was serious concern about voter fraud. Couldn’t ACORN find law abiding citizens to work for them? But then its not likely law abiding citizens would involve themselves in voter fraud.
I’m also curious. Are low income people too stupid to vote? Why must ACORN even involve itself in such acitivities?
Janet,
You have no idea what you are talking about. ACORN and its workers are dedicated to help working and lower income families.
If they’ve done so much, please tell me, what have they done specifically? I’ve yet to find anything substantial in what I have read so far. Their name is not common knowledge in the metro Chicago area, I can tell you that much. Do you have sources?
And it wouldn’t support HCAN if they were socialists.
Why not?
Janet,
Good point. How exactly have the lives of low income people been vastly improved by ACORN?
Also some interesting articles concerning the sterling character of the folks at ACORN:
“ACORN has been accused of voter fraud in 13 states since 2004 and was convicted of falsifying signatures in a voter registration drive last July, drawing a fine of $25,000 in Washington state”. (Investor’s Business Daily, 9/21/07.
“ACORN has been implicated in similar schemes in 14 other states-including Ohio, where a worker traded crack cocaine for fraudulent registrations”. (New York Post, 7/13/08
Now, concerning Barack Obama and is non-involvement with this group.
“[W]e have invited Obama to our leadership training sessions to run the session on power every year” (Toni Foulkes, “Case study:Chicago- The Barack Obama Campaign,”Social Policy, 10/18/04)
“In 1992 ACORN hired Mr.Obama to run a voter registration effort. He later became a trainer for the group, as well as its lawyer in election law cases”. (The Wall Street Journal, 11/12/08).
“Senator Obama is especially reliant on registration drives, such as ACORN’s with Project Vote, to help him win the White House” (The Wall Steet Journal, 7/31/08)
Could Hillary have been defrauded of the presidential nomination because of ACORN’s devotion to Obama? BTW, that was a point brought up by a Hillary supporter on Rush’s show. I think its an excellent question.
Mary, Janet,
For one, ACORN in St. Louis helped raise the minimum wage in 2006. They also work with people facing foreclosures to make sure they aren’t homeless. They are working on cutting out beaurocracy the state SCHIP program to make sure eligible kids can get on the program easier. They are working with HCAN to bring affordable solutions to the health care crisis. They work to get local politicians elected that are devoted to helping poor people.
Yeah. They are so evil.
“Why not?”
Because HCAN isn’t promoting socialized medicine. Wouldn’t an evil socialist organization be promoting socialized medicine?
Also- voter registration fraud is a different thing than voter fraud. I’ve been through that conversation only for it to be fruitless. So I’m done. This only proves the point of that article I had posted before. It’s not that conservatives find that they don’t support the other candidate because they disagree on policy. It becomes a good v. evil thing, and liberals are evil. So are any organizations that associate themselves with those icky liberals.
Oh and this:
“Are low income people too stupid to vote? Why must ACORN even involve itself in such acitivities?”
…is the most ignorant statement I’ve heard all night. Interesting how so many conservatives are opposed to people voting. Is it because they are scared that new voters might go to the dark side? Their concern is glaring.
PIP,
Can you find a newspaper article (not a press release of theirs) that praises ACORN for their work?
PIP,
The difference between voter registration fraud and voter fraud is…what? Sounds to me like the end result is the same, fraud.
Why are such sterling individuals involved in voter fraud? Why must ACORN in Milwaukee utilize convicted felons rather than law abiding citizens? Why would they even want to involve themselves with such potentially dangerous and dishonest people when there’s certainly an abundance of law abiding citizens.
There are 200,000 fraudlent applications in Ohio with ties to ACORN. Greta Van Sustren did some great research. ACORN was founded by Wade Rathke, a former SDS member. The SDS was a 60’s radical student organization of which the Weather Underground was an offshoot. Bill Ayers and his charming wife Bernadine Dohrn, who both spent time on an FBI most wanted list for terrorist activities, were SDS members who founded the Weather Underground. Rathke’s brother embezzled millions from ACORN.
I’m all for people voting. What I don’t support is the condescending notion that low income people must be taken by the hand since they don’t have brains enough to register to vote, or to walk into a voting booth and pull a lever for the candidate of their choice, without direction. Throughout my lifetime I have seen low income, elderly, and physically challenged people manage this very well with no help from anyone.
BTW PIP, do you think Hillary may have been defrauded? I wonder if the PUMA people have considered this possiblity.
Janet, for example, the mayor of St. Louis, Mayor Slay, publicly praised our organization for its voter registration drive.
Here’s (as requested) a non-Acorn source for that assertion, but in the context of being fair and balanced they had the nauseating Gov. Blunt’s comments in there as well.
http://www.stltoday.com/blogzone/political-fix/political-fix/2008/10/blunt-condemns-slay-praises-acorns-voter-registration-drive/
At their national conferences, they had people like Hillary Clinton and John Edwards come and speak. Part of this evil alliance for power, I assume?
“Sounds to me like the end result is the same, fraud.”
As I said voter reg fraud does not result in fraudulent ballots being cast. As I said before as well, there are 2 barriers of people making sure this stuff doesn’t go on the books twice, etc. and one of them works in the ACORN office. But by law they are required to turn in all of them. It’s still not good, and some duplicates may have been intentional but again as I said before because it has no outcome in the election then acorn has nothing to gain from this, the fact is the voter reg fraud is the employees taking advantage of the organization.
And as I said before, if someone took cash from a register at wal-mart, you wouldn’t blame wal-mart for it, you’d blame the cashier. But, Acorn is politically involved, so…
I explained in painful detail this process to x, who ignored all of it, so I assume you will do the same.
“. Rathke’s brother embezzled millions from ACORN.”
And was subsequently fired from the organization as well as all of those who knew about it including Rathke.
Again you are blaming ACORN for being taken advantage of. Awesome.
“What I don’t support is the condescending notion that low income people must be taken by the hand since they don’t have brains enough to register to vote”
Acorn works to get new registered voters, no matter what age or social class. You are saying those that are successfully newly registered were stupid or needed to be led by the hand. I suspect this hysteria is caused by conservatives shaking in their boots that the lower-income people that were successfully registered might vote for the other candidate.
I registered through a canvasser. They were there, it was easy. It doesn’t make me lazy, or stupid, it doesn’t make them condescending, it means they are proactive. You sound like you’d rather complain about the low voter turnout without trying to do anything about it.
“elderly, and physically challenged people manage this very well with no help from anyone.”
Really, because there are programs who help elderly and physically challenged people go out and vote. How condescending of them.
“BTW PIP, do you think Hillary may have been defrauded? ”
I really don’t know a lot about that, but that is a different animal than voter reg fraud so has no use in this discussion any way.
Jill,
The Devil is a bold faced liar, Obama seems to be a good study of the Devil’s techniques.
PIP,
Whether its registration or voter fraud, why is it even taking place at all? If this was an isolated incident or two PIP I would be inclined to brush it off as such. But this is just too widespread and on too large of a scale.
No I’m not saying people are too stupid to register. I don’t understand why low income people are seen as less capable of registering and voting and what really motivates some of this “help”. ACORN members admitted on TV they encouraged the people they “helped” to vote for Obama. What I found disturbing in Ohio is that homeless people were being carted to the voting booths. I have no issue with homeless people voting, but was it possible to properly register these individuals and were they mentally competent to vote, or just very suggestable and easily swayed to vote a certain way. I never recall any kind of voter registration drives in my working class community when I was growing up and people seemed to figure it out for themselves. If they wanted to vote badly enough they could and did.
At college we had no such drives. Those who wanted to vote did.
If you registered through a canvasser, great. I’m certain you would have registered and voted without the canvasser.
And no PIP I am not shaking hysterically at low income people voting. I have an issue with the assumption, not by you necessarily, that low income people need help doing so and what really motivates some of this “help”. Is this assumption made about upper class and wealthy people? That’s what I mean by condescension.
There are programs that help people get to the voting booth if there’s a physical challenge or lack or transportation. There’s also family members and friends. There’s also absentee ballots if people are challenged or otherwise unable to get to the voting booth. If people want to vote badly enough, they can.
Concerning Hillary, this was a question raised by one of her staunch supporters. This could involve either registration or voter fraud and I don’t for a second believe you would be involved in that. I just think this raises some serious questions, given the extent of the fraud that has been going on.
PIP,
This is about more than voter registration fraud, which may or not be a critical issue come election day. If a swing states vote totals are within the range of the number of questionable registrations, I understand from the media that it may be an issue. We’ll see.
This is the last I will comment on this, I promise. If this article doesn’t convince you that parts of this group, ACORN, are not above-board, I don’t know what will.
Copyright 2008 The New York Times Company
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/09/us/09embezzle.html?pagewanted=1&_r=3&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss
Janet,
It should be noted the NY Times is not noted for its Republican sympathies.
Mary,
Yes, good point. Thank you.
how could anbody do that to a defensless child