New poll/Old poll
I have a new poll question up:
Barack Obama has been compared to several past presidents. Who do you think he most emulates? You can choose up to two.
Here are the results of my previous poll. By over a 2-1 margin, you voted you do not want President Obama to succeed….
Here were your votes. I was surprised our international friends voted as they did. I expected them to overwhelmingly support President Obama’s policies. Click to enlarge to find your own brightly colored flag…
As always, make comments to either this or last week’s poll here, not on the Vizu website.
Feb.08, 2009 9:05 am |
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Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
I met General Georges Sada last night. A devout Christian, he was the Iraqi Air Force General who stood up to Saddam Hussein always at the risk of death.
He told how the war in Iraq has completely been won and how the whole country is now free. There were WMDs which were flown to Syria prior to the war under the guise of humanitarian aid in 50 cargo plane sorties. He knows that Saddam Hussein had and would have used WMDs. He said he will send me the letter written in Arabic and translated to English proving this. I will publish it when I receive it.
I was literally in tears last night listening to him. I told him about my son Phil who spent 5 years of his life defending Iraq. He wrote a personal note to Phil thanking him for his service.
To my son Captain Philip A. Schembri, III (USAF) I want to say this to you. As an Air Force pilot who selflessly gave his all fighting for peace and freedom in Iraq, you were a minister of the Gospel. Iraqis are now free and the Gospel is being spread over the whole area as a result of your and the thousands of fearless soldiers.
The media in this country is guilty of treason and must be stopped dead in their tracks if we are to win the pro-life battle and regain our country. Whether the media knows it or not, by suppressing the truth, they partner with Satan in suppressing the Gospel.
Truth must be told. Who will stand?
If we are to advance the Kingdom we must step out in faith and speak boldly……”and the violent take it by force”.
Wow, Hisman. When you get that translated letter, mind blasting it throughout the internet?
And call a radio talk show or two?
You might want to reconsider the wording on the question, Jill.
Obama wants to “emulate” Lincoln. He’s going out of his way to let us know that.
The results thus far show he’s “emulating” Carter, but that’s not accurate. He’s not deliberately trying to imitate Carter; I’ve not heard him sing the glories of Jimmah.
Perhaps it could be posed like this:
“Which President does Obama resemble most?” or something like that.
Hm, I’m really disgusted by the 70% of you that want Obama to fail. I guess you don’t mind how bad that would be for America and America’s moral.
Really, that’s disgusting..
Why would you be surprised at the way your international readers voted? The fact that they are your readers says it all.
Josephine, it is sad that 70% want their president to fail and this country to suffer. But the alternative for them would mean a lot of crow dinners.
Asitis, I think it’s extra disturbing for me now. I found out last Thursday that from March 18th-Julyish I will be in Baghdad working at a hospital. It’s hard to go over seas knowing so many people care about unborn babies more than they care about us.
I’d like to think had McCain won, I’d hope McCain got this country back on his feet. I know I certainly wouldn’t want him to fail after he’d won.
Josephine, I wish you well. Hopefully you will be safe and gain much from the experince. Terrifying nonetheless I am sure.
I want Obama to fail to implement his radical pro-abortion policies. I want him to fail to turn our country into a socialist nation.
I want our country to succeed, but that’s a whole different question than if I want Obama’s dangerous policies to fail.
It wasn’t asking if you want some of Obama’s policies to fail. It simply asked if you’re rooting for him to succeed. If you’re not, then you’re not rooting for your country to succeed either.
Obama isn’t a socialist. That’s the biggest piece of crap Republican propaganda I’ve ever heard, and it’s getting pretty old.
If O’s policies fail, it may be more of his own doing than anyone’s wishful thinking. According to Rasmussen today:
“Overall, 59% of voters say they at least somewhat approve of the President’s performance so far while 39% disapprove. Today’s results mark the first time that Obama’s overall rating has fallen below 60% as either President-elect or President.”
Approval ratings tend to settle down after inaugurations. Just seems to be more rapid this time around.
Josephine:
Define “us”.
Are you going to Baghdad with the military or some other venture? Here’s why I’m asking:
If you’re with the military, then nothing could be further than the truth. We’re winning this war in spite of Democrats (read: Harry Reid)wringing their hands and proclaiming “This war is lost!” So yes, SUCCEED.
If it’s non-military, you going to help in a hospital in Baghdad would have been unthinkable a year and a half ago. Refresh my memory of any liberal rooting for George Bush during the darkest moments of our involvement there.
Even Obama had to admit it was successful beyond anyone’s imagination.
Before blaming baby-lovers, we now have Democrats already wrenching over Afghanistan:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article5683681.ece
I am not at all suprised by the poll results.
The far right wants the president and the country to fail, as they wish to replace our democracy with a Taliban-like theocracy.
Hisman,
A very moving and inspiring post. Thank you.
Of course there were WMD. Saddam used them on his own people. Remember when he gassed a Kurdish town, instantly and indiscriminately killing men, women, children, and babies in their mothers’ arms?
Josephine 10:44am
We want Obama to fail in his efforts to inflict destructive policies on this country. I hope he fails miserably in his efforts to inflict this spending bill on us. I hope he fails to get FOCA passed.
We want him to succeed in his efforts to truly better this country.
There have been plenty of policies in the past I wish presidents had failed miserably at, and yes that includes Bush approving the set up of the bail out fund.
The MSM should also dispense with their sanctamonious chest pounding.
You think the MSM never wanted to see Republican presidents fail? Please. Nothing made them salivate more.
Josephine says “Obama isn’t a socialist”
Yes, he is. The socialist “New Party” claimed Obama as a member and he poses with other New Party members in their newsletter.
At the very bare minimum he supported their socialist agenda. But, as I said, they claim him to be a member of their party.
Bystander 11:28am
You’re being funny, right?
Lauren, you realize he is the President now? If he wanted to be a socialist, he could go ahead and tell us, right? You do know that? Being as I can look at his policies which aren’t socialist, and the fact that he says he isn’t and that people saying that is ridiculous, I’m forced to conclude he isn’t. :)
If everyone started saying you were pro-choice, does that mean you actually are, Lauren? And if pro-choice groups said you were a member, does that mean you are pro-choice?
Mary, did you vote yes or no in the poll? Because the poll just asked if you wanted him to succeed. Most people said no. The poll didn’t say anything about not liking some of his policies.
Carder, I’m going with the military. However, in September of 2004 my dad went as a private citizen to work in hospitals in Afghanistan. They actually love us there.. so it wouldn’t have been unthinkable a year and a half ago..
Also, according to CNN at about 7a.m. today, Obama’s still had a 65% approval rating… which is very good…Carder, what “war” are we winning? Please. Explain. Is it because we’ve killed 100,000 Iraqis but they’ve only killed about 4,000 of us? Is that “winning”? Everyone there wants us GONE. We aren’t “winning” anything.
Do you realize that going into a country, changing it’s government, forcing them into the ways of America.. pretty much goes against everything that started America?
Oh, and I never, EVER wanted Bush to fail. I started hating Bush when he started to fail, because his failures ruined a lot of lives.
Josephine,
Its his policies that are his success or failure, not him alone.
From what I’ve seen and understand so far, I hope he fails miserably, just like I wish Bush had failed in setting up that bail out fund.
Mary’s comments express what people mean when they say they hope Obama will not succeed. Of course all people of good will want good policies to be put forward and succeed.
What we see here and in the MSM is an unbelievable about face. Those who despised Bush and all that he stood for and did not want him to succeed, now want bygones to be bygones and expect everyone to happily get behind Obama.
Unfortunately, one of the first things Obama did was to lift the Mexico City policy. By a large margin the people disapproved of that action. And why should we want him to succeed in wasting hundreds billions of dollars on pork laden spending? The majority polled do not want that either.
If you want all of policies to fail, you do understand that you don’t care what happens to America, right? We need him to be a success.
Mary, right now ONE in TEN people are on food stamps. In the month of January, 600,000 people lost their jobs. That’s on top of the 3 MILLION that lost their jobs last year.
How can you not understand that we need a success? That we need him to do good? Guess what, Mary, fortunately for my family and I.. everyone will always need healthcare. The same is NOT true about most careers.
So, by saying you hope he “fails miserably” you really must mean you don’t care about ALL of these people.
So, go ahead. Let’s only care about the abortion issue, even though there are people right now who can’t afford medicine. Can’t afford homes. Can’t afford their kids.
That seems like the opposite of “pro-life” to me.
Jerry, what do you mean? By a large margin people disapproved of the Mexico City policy? That was NOT to fund abortions. If gave money to clinics that weren’t getting money before simply because they counseled on abortions.
You realize there are some areas where the ONLY clinics counsel on abortion? Before Obama, there were people who weren’t getting help at all because the clinics were so poor?
Bystander,
Since you’re so worried about about a “Taliban-like theocracy” I suggest you immediately contact Senator Debbie Stabenow of Michigan. She apparently is ignorant of the fact the both freedom of speech and the press are written in our Constitution.
The good senator has spoken of her intentions to hold hearings on (conservative) talk radio concerning “accountablity”. Apparently this isn’t a problem where the MSM is concerned since they support Stabenow and her fellow Democrats.
Certainly you will be outraged at this Taliban like effort to throttle free speech.
I mean, its not like the American people have no other sources and perspectives for news coverage.
Radio, TV, internet, newspapers, magazines, etc.
Also, I don’t know anyone who is forced to listen to (conservative) talk radio.
You might also remind Senator Stabenow that she represents a state quickly going down the crapper and perhaps her time and efforts would be better spent addressing that fact. Also, since her husband Tom Athans, former VP of liberal Air America before it tanked, now heads liberal TalkUSA radio based in Washington DC. there may just be a little conflict of interest here.
Considering that Athans was caught in a sex sting in Troy, MI where he was being serviced by a 20 y/o hooker,(doing to him what the Democrats have been doing to the state of Michigan for the past several years) it would seem Senator Stabenow should keep a closer eye on her husband, not what the American people listen to on the radio.
Josephine, first of all his policies most certainly ARE socialist. SCHIP, Corporate salary limits, this insane government spending bill…Everything he’s done since he’s come into office has been socialist.
Also, if I posed for a photo op for planned parenthood with the caption “our state senate winners” and allowed them to print me as a member of their organization, logic would dictate that I agreed with their policies. This is what Obama did with New Party.
Josephine 12:24PM
My point exactly. That’s why I hope he fails to get this spending bill passed which will only result in inflation and unemployment.
I would love to see him succeed in cutting our taxes instead since I see this as far more beneficial to the American people. I would love to see him succeed in slashing wasteful gov’t spending.
Josephine, don’t you find it odd he’s scraping for Republican support? He can pass this bill without them so why doesn’t he do it? If its going to be so wildly successful, wouldn’t he and the Democrats want the glory? Maybe its because there’s a good chance it will fail, and he won’t have Republicans to blame.
Josephine,
You originally spoke of Baghdad, not Afghanistan. And yes, a year and a half ago there was NOT the stability present in Iraq that they currently have.
Iraq just had their elections without any earth-shattering disruptions. In other words, they selected by popular vote who it was they wanted to represent them. Their own security forces were in charge while Americans were on stand-by.
Think about it. No dictatorship. No executions and torture chambers. On their own.
And you’re still incredulous.
Josephine, first I wish you safety in Iraq and I honor your service to our country.
Obama isn’t a socialist. That’s the biggest piece of crap Republican propaganda I’ve ever heard
Lauren beat me to it to bring up his New Party membership in the mid 1990s. Yes, he could say he’s a socialist, Josephine. But he couldn’t very well claim to be working to restore our capitalist economy if he did that, could he? No, he couldn’t get his appropriations into a “stimulus” bill that way, could he?
Because he was a member of the now-defunct New Party, and because their agenda was to take the democratic party so far to the left that a new marxist party could emerge, it’s a fair question to ask why he belonged to that party. Was it a ploy to get votes, or did he subscribe to their neo-marxist agenda?
Being as I can look at his policies which aren’t socialist
Here are the 4 pillars of the Democratic Socialists of America’s economic justice agenda:
http://www.dsausa.org/pdf/Statement_on_the_2008_Presidential_Election.pdf (page 2)
Call it propaganda if you like. I call it very similar to Obama’s agenda.
Lauren,
Correct me if I’m wrong but doesn’t SCHIP cover grown “children” and illegal aliens?
Mary,
Grown children up to the age of 30. And folks with incomes up to $80,000 can qualify. Illegal aliens are included.
What’s hysterical is that funding will come from taxes on tobacco products. Problem is, we need a whole lot more smokers than we have now in order to pay for this.
Gotta love fairness.
Posted by: Mary at February 8, 2009 1:25 PM
And don’t forget that SCHIP was supposed to be funded by a higher tax on cigarettes. Not a bad way to fund it until you realize that smokers are on the decline, (good for those who don’t start or quit, bad for those who are dying of lung cancer,) and would not be able to support the program within three years. But you’d never hear THAT on the news. You’d only hear about how the mean old republicans don’t want to help babies.
Carder, great minds think alike!
I want his Culture of Death policies to FAIL. I also want a different president in 2012. Someone EVERYONE can get behind.
And he’s not emulating any US President I know of. Certainly NOT Lincoln. Lincoln freed the slaves. Obama is forcing taxpayers to become slaves to the abortion industry.
Kristen and Carder,
Thank you.
Unreal.
Bush spent money for the eight years he was in office, too..
Mary, you specifically said, “I hope he fails miserably”… all I can conclude from that is that you don’t care if America fails. Really. We should want Obama’s policies to work. If everything he is doing works then America will be okay. You can disagree with him on abortion. You can disagree with him on EVERYTHING, but if his economic policies WORK then WHY would you hope they fail? Because a Republican didn’t think of them? Og gosh.
By the way, it’s going to go through with or without Republican support. However, he did promise to try to be bipartisan. He can’t very well not try and get their support. I have a strong feeling a lot of Republicans will end up voting for it anyway, because it’s going to look very bad if it looks like Republicans aren’t doing ANYTHING.
Carder, my unit is on a fifteen month tour of duty in Iraq right now. I correspond with them every weekend I have drill. Everyone hates us. They don’t want OUR government, which is what we’re trying to force on them.
I’m incredulous because you know damn well Carder that going in and changing a government that many DON’T want changed is completely un-American. Especially because the people voted between leaders they didn’t want any way.
How about this, Fed Up, you’re saying, what, 12 years ago he was associated with this party? Guess what. 12 years ago I was eight. Now I’m a junior in college getting ready to get shipped over seas. Lots of things change with time. It’s less noticeable the older you get, but for someone my age– 12 years is a VERY long time, and it’s VERY obvious how much changes. :)
Liz, not everyone is going to get behind a pro-life President. How can you not realize that?
“Lincoln freed the slaves. Obama is forcing taxpayers to become slaves to the abortion industry.”
Abraham Lincoln absolutely, 100% did not “free the slaves”. You need to do some history studying.
Josephine,
I’m well aware Bush did, and I wish he had failed at that aspect. I care deeply about this country, that’s why I hope Obama fails miserably to either get his spending bill or FOCA passed. I’m convinced this spending bill will be catastrophic for America, not good for it. I don’t want this to be realized too late, which is what will happen if the bill passes.
I hope he is highly successful in slashing gov’t spending and cutting taxes, both of which would be very beneficial to the country.
Josephine please don’t be naive. There is no great desire for bipartisanship here. Obama wants to make certain Republicans won’t be blameless if this disastrous spending bill fails. Its called taking your opponents down with you.
If Obama and the Democrats believe so strongly in this, pass it. To hell with the Republicans.
I think you 6th sense may fail you. No House Republicans supported the bill. There were 3 Senate RINOs ready to support the bill, now one of them, Sen. Susan Collins, is wavering in her support.
Emancipation Proclamation ring a bell?
He set the way for the eventual amendment that banned slavery.
I said a President EVERYONE would get behind. Hollyweird does not COUNT. One that would not force tax money being spent on abortions (that doesn’t HELP the economy, in fact, it deters it), but on helping with better adoption programs (there are literally thousands of couples waiting to adopt, but there aren’t enough children eligible for adoption), resources for college students that are pregnant, etc, etc, etc. Or is that so bad?
Liz, Lincoln had slaves.
“I said a President EVERYONE would get behind. Hollyweird does not COUNT.”
Ask any one person who is adamantly pro-choice if they would support a pro-life President. Oh please. You won’t support a pro-choice President, will you? There you go. Not “everyone” will ever get behind one President– even now, when it’s most important we do.
Mary, “Obama wants to make certain Republicans won’t be blameless if this disastrous spending bill fails.” Can you NEVER think the best? Ever. I’m glad not everyone is as negative as you. Obama believes in this bill, OBVIOUSLY, Mary. He thinks it will work. That’s why it’s the first BIG thing he’s doing as President. People will remember this for the next fifty years. Don’t forget that.
We will probably see Tuesday what happens. If no Republicans support it, and it’s a success, the Republicans face losing more senate seats in the next election. Good luck with that. :)
How about this, Fed Up, you’re saying, what, 12 years ago he was associated with this party? … 12 years is a VERY long time
Point well taken, Josephine except that we were talking about Obama, not you :-) Just as some people change with time, others become more solidified in their views.
Remember the big stink about Palin’s husband supposedly belonging to a successionist party in the 1990s? If the political affiliation of a candidate’s spouse was fair game, why not the political affiliation of a candidate himself during the same time period? It’s not propaganda to look at a candidate’s past, especially when his current positions seem to flow from it.
and it’s VERY obvious how much changes. :)
For you perhaps. But how so for Obama? Can you give me any evidence that he’s less to the left now than he was 12 years ago when he belonged to the New Party?
Can you show me how his current economic agenda differs substantially from the NSA link I posted above? Was he not a cosponsor of the Employee Free Choice Act? Has he not begun the push for universal health insurance in some of the appropriations in the “stimulus” bill? Did he not just expand SCHIP coverage to those who are not economically disadvantaged? Did he not just sign an EO excluding non-union firms from working on federal projects?
Josephine 5:22PM
And I thought I was such a ray of sunshine! Obama has the House and Senate. If he wants to pass his bill, pass it already.
Your idea of negativity is my idea of being realistic. I’m not going to dance down the primrose path over what I see as a likely disaster. Sorry Josie but I’m not going to blindly accept and follow what the leader decrees.
Sure Obama believes in this bill. I don’t. He thinks massive gov’t spending and debt is good for America. I don’t.
I understand there is still more bickering going on over this wonderful bill and Obama may not get the bill he wants when he wants it.
Hopefully he will fail miserably in this venture.
Mary, they vote Tuesday. Despite what people think, Obama can’t control everything.
Did anyone say you have to blindly accept and follow anything? Obama believes that he can make the country better. He believes he can save the economy, he can make life better. His policies reflect that. Do you have to think they’ll work? No. Should you HOPE they work? YES. Because a lot of people are depending on him, Mary. You’re such a Republican. I mean that in the worst way.
Mary, Bush tried “tax cuts” for eight years. You do remember that he JUST left office, leaving us in this? Is it his fault… of course not. Did he do anything to prevent it? Of course not. It was obvious tax cuts don’t work. Maybe SOME people get to keep more money– what about those people that don’t even have jobs though? They get to keep a higher percent of the money they’re not even making??
Please remember that the taxes you are paying now have nothing to do with Obama. You can thank the Bush government for them.
Like I said, you don’t really care about Americans. I get it. Don’t pretend you do though, because it’s sickening.
Josephine,
In fact I’m not a Republican, but an Independent. I may consider going Republican if they prove to my satisfaction that they have finally grown a pair.
You’re right I know his policies won’t work. If they do, great, but I’m not getting my hopes up.
Please google “bush tax cuts” and check out the article “Ten Myths About the Bush Tax Cuts.”
As for my not caring about Americans, etc.
Josephine please calm down. Now you’re getting to the point where you’re just ranting.
Mary, maybe you don’t call yourself a Republican, but just like some claim Obama is a “socialist” you are, my dear, a Republican..
I know all I need to know of the Bush tax cuts. We studied them for about half a semester last year in Current Politics. I don’t need any information from Google.
About the “not caring about Americans” ..Mary, you said you WANT him to fail miserably. You didn’t say “I don’t want to get my hopes up”.. you specifically said you want him to fail. Please, in your mind, how can he fail miserably yet America still be okay for these next four years? How, in your mind, does this make sense?
Josephine,
How many times must I tell you exactly what it is I want him to fail at? His failure to get this spending bill will only benefit this country. His success at slashing gov’t spending and waste would only benefit the country.
I want him to succeed or fail at implementing certain policies depending on how it will effect the country. If failing to pass certain policies will benefit the country, then I see that as very positive.
Josie, concerning the Bush tax cuts. Always keep an open mind. Otherwise you turn into one of those people don’t like to be confused with the facts once they have made up their minds.
Carder, when I get the letter from General Sada, I will post it on my web site.
As Christians we are commanded to pray for our leaders so that we may live in peace.
We must pray that Obama turn his heart towards the counsel of God and not wicked men and women. Mr. Obama will be judged for his choices and actions just like anyone else will. Him even more severely because of the great responsiblity placed on him. For his sake, I hope he knows this. We live in a temporal world with eternity just a heartbeat away. Only a foolish person, does not seek God’s wisdom.
President Obama was placed in power by God. Not because he was the best man for the job but because God is sovereign and His plan will be executed. When Israel wanted a king, they got Saul and we know what happened as a result.
I believe our country has entered a period of severe judgement not because God enjoys punishing us, rather He disciplines us out of love and for our good. I predicted this when I first started posting almost two years ago. My hope is that the church will be brought to their knees for their complicity with the ungodliness world system. All would be wise to seek Him earnestly.
Please go to my blog and read today’s post about the connection between anti-semitism and abortion.
http://www.Ixoye.Name
Governor Granholm of Michigan raised taxes. How’s that working out for them?
Cutting taxes is only part of the equation. If it’s not coupled with fiscal restraint (read: reduced spending), might as well call it a day.
If I’m hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt and maxed out on my credit cards, I’m not going blow my savings, apply for seven more credit cards, dig into my kids’ college savings,and announce that I’ve solved my financial problems.
First of all, I had a friend who worked a minimum-wage job, as well as her husband. Her second child was born with a hole in his heart, repsiratory and learning problems. Without SCHIP she would have never been able to afford his care. None of their jobs gives adequate health insurance. It’s easy to call the program “unfair” when you don’t see the good it does for children. I can (somewhat) understand your libertarian-esque opposition to health care for adults, but punishing children for being born in the wrong situation is indeed NOT SUPPORTING CHILDREN’S HEALTH CARE. Cutting SCHIP will be cutting children off of this program and blaming the parents is, again, punishing children for their parents mistakes. Children can’t get effing jobs, they have no way to get health care on their own.
Second, I agree, most of our work is done in Iraq. We have trained police and militia, we have for the most part stabilized the area.
Now tell me, what’s wrong with removing troops from the area?
Hisman,
That’s just what I told Jill during her trip to my state two weeks ago. The country elected its Saul; we got exactly what we wanted.
I recall a bishop shortly after the election announce that we have entered into Gethsemane. Not just the garden, but into His suffering.
Gird your loins.
“Gird your loins.”
I’m sure the people in 13th century Europe were saying the same thing.
Unfortunately, it was just 1/3 of their population being devastated, instead of their opponent gaining a 4-year term in office.
We’re not talking about cutting SChIP. We’re talking about the folly of adding to it. Does a 28 year old “child” deserve to be covered under SCHIP?
Nothing wrong with pulling out our troops from Iraq. Gen. Petraeus has stated that it’s a delicate peace. It wouldn’t take much to blow the whole thing again. PM Al-Maliki has already stated the conditions for withdrawal. I haven’t heard anyone on our side argue with him. You?
“You?”
Nope, and that was Obama’s plan, more or less. That we would begin to pull out, but keep our eyes open in case we need to intervene or redeploy to a certain area. So in this case, why are we arguing? We already agree.
“Does a 28 year old “child” deserve to be covered under SCHIP?”
Where does it say in the legislation that 28 year olds are children? I could have honestly missed that part. What I heard bitching about was the fact that we spend too much of our tax money already on those stupid kids who can’t seem to come up with the cash to support themselves.
“Should you HOPE they work? YES. Because a lot of people are depending on him, Mary.”
You’re right, Josephine. Let’s hope the Congresional Budget Office is wrong:
Per The Washington Times: “President Obama’s economic recovery package will actually hurt the economy more in the long run than if he were to do nothing, the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office said Wednesday.
CBO, the official scorekeepers for legislation, said the House and Senate bills will help in the short term but result in so much government debt that within a few years they would crowd out private investment, actually leading to a lower Gross Domestic Product over the next 10 years than if the government had done nothing.”
Let’s really, really hope they’re wrong.
This new SCHIP legislation entitles children under the age of 30 to be covered.
Don’t misunderstand me. My children are under a state health plan right now where I pay a small monthly premium. I appreciate that those programs exist.
Given the current economic situation, I question the means by which this expansion is going to be funded. Again, we’d have to recruit more smokers. ALOT more.
carder,
If Obama did nothing you know just as well as I do the backlash he would receive. He meets with the top economists in the country. I’d like SOMEONE else to think of a plan they think is better– everyone, apparently, thinks they’re smarter than the top economists in the country. Hmm..
There are a lot of different opinions on what we can do for the economy. It is no doubt htat the stimulus package is temporary. The best article I’ve read recentlyon the subject was in Newsweek, about how it’s a global problem: mainly the fact that in this economy, Americans are saving. When normally, Asian economies ‘save’ and American economy ‘spends.’ The tide is turning; if Asian countries began ‘spending’ it could boost our economy in a significant way.
Of course, I don’t know how one could accomplish that one without a bit of time..
If the stimulus package was used as it was designed to be used– first one included. If we did with that money what we should’ve– spent it, it actually would’ve given the economy a little boost. However, that’s not what happened. People saved. People paid off some of their previous debt. Most of it didn’t just go back into the economy like what was intended.
It is quite simple. If BO’s succeeds in getting his “policies” passed, The American Experiment fails. That is because BO’s policies are intended to push the tax taker percentage over the 50% mark.
SCHIP is, in BO’s own words one more step to push toward socialist medicine. And socialist medicine mean health for the powerful political and wealthy elite but the rest of us will have to die waiting in line like they do in Canada in England. Even bystander and Josephine can’t believe that Hillary is going to wait in line behind her maid to see an oncologist.
And NOTE to BO: raising taxes on tobacco will make more criminals out of tobacco growers and create more jobs for bootleggers.
It is ironic that “bystander” fears a Taliban here when it is the left that is trying to institute theocratic atheism on the entire country. It is the left that tried to put two grandmothers in prison for 47 years in PA for carrying signs with bible verses the left does not like. It is the left that passes thought crime laws that target white heterosexual Christian men while demanding sympathy for members of protected classes that commit crimes against white heterosexual Christian men.
BO’s policy positions include censoring the only medium not controlled by the left. In fact it is the one medium that the left has failed miserably in. Talk Radio. The “fairness doctrine will never be used against any new network except Fox. because the left believe they are “center.”
Nuff sedd.
Lincoln didn’t own slaves. He lived in Illinois, a free state. He was born in Kentucky, but his family never owned any slaves. If you’re going to make such a statement, back it up with real facts.
Jefferson did. Washington did.
Now I’m going to go hunt for Lincoln’s gold……….
The CBO tends to think all of us would be better off.
If BO would follow their advice, he wouldn’t get a backlash from me. A small pat on the back, maybe.
Housing sales increased last month. Can’t remember the source. And that was without the Spending Bill.
Moral of this story: Keep Pelosi under sedation.
“us will have to die waiting in line”
If you happen to notice Mary, people ARE dying waiting in line. NOW. Today.
I would suggest that PBHO is most like the deceased General Antonio López de Santa Anna, former president,dictator and traitor of Mexico.
His ability to ‘con’ the Mexican people into believing he could save them and then betray their misplaced trust then convince them he would really save them the next time after time was Obamalike.
Santa Anna was always schemming and scamming and making it up as he went along and he was addicted to the fawning adulation of the gullible masses.
During the Mexican-American War he negotiated in secret to sell half of Mexico (California, New Meixco, Arizona, Colorado and more) to the U.S.A. to feather his own political nest.
yor bro ken
“The tide is turning; if Asian countries began ‘spending’ it could boost our economy in a significant way. ”
I could be mistaken PIP but our trade deficite with China is huge. We buy alot more from then they do from us…so I’m not sure how much we would benefit from China spending..some I guess..
Posted by: Josephine at February 8, 2009 10:44 AM
‘Hm, I’m really disgusted by the 70% of you that want Obama to fail.’
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Does this song have a second verse? It is really boring. ‘
PBHO, does not need my ‘happy thoughts’ or ‘warm fuzzy feelings’ to implement his policies. They will succeed or fail on their merits or lack there of.
My ‘wishes’ are irrelevant to his ‘success or failure’.
But if that is your faith, so be it unto you.
Maybe a ‘black man’ will possess the mojo that a white man (FDR or Jimmy Carter) lacked and what has never worked before will miraculously work for PBHO.
It could happen.
The republicans have almost no means to prevent whatever plan the democrats choose to advance. PBHO’s only serious opposition will be the members of his own party. It will be interesting to see if any possess the integrity and the courage to oppose him.
The political realities may tranform ‘hope and change’ into ‘step and fetch’.
yor bro ken
Posted by: Josephine at February 8, 2009 7:58 PM
People saved. People paid off some of their previous debt. Most of it didn’t just go back into the economy like what was intended.
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What crystal ball did you consult to come up with that intel. Congress can not or will not account for where that money went.
I suggest switching to tea leaves or chicken entrails, they might be a more reliable source of accurate intel.
yor bro ken
Posted by: Josephine at February 8, 2009 11:17 AM
Obama isn’t a socialist. That’s the biggest piece of crap Republican propaganda I’ve ever heard, and it’s getting pretty old.
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so·cial·ism
1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2 a: a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b: a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done
Compare the effect of PBHO’s proposed policies and I believe you can make an arguement that he advocates ‘socialist’ ideology.
Nationalizing healthcare, the financial sector and the manufacturing sector could certainly be characterized as ‘socialistic’.
Government ensuring equality of outcome is ‘socialism’.
I do hope and pray that you and your colleagues in arms ‘succeed’ in your mission in Iraq and that you all return to us in better condition than when you left.
And I do not care who gets the credit or the blame.
Thank you for your service to me and my family and our country.
yor bro ken
“We buy alot more from then they do from us…so I’m not sure how much we would benefit from China spending..some I guess..”
That’s what I mean. Since we are saving now, that dynamic is shifting, so there are big losses on both sides..there needs to be a shift to us exporting and them importing. Them “buying” and us “saving.” I don’t know a whole lot about the situation but the article was pretty interesting.
PIP 8:16PM
Where did I make this statement? I don’t know what you’re referring to.
Posted by: Bystander at February 8, 2009 11:20 AM
‘The far right wants the president and the country to fail, as they wish to replace our democracy with a Taliban-like theocracy.’
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Put up or shut up. Where is your supporting evidence for that outrageous bloviation.
Suggest you get a new tin foil hat or at least altering the configuration.
Global warming may have rendered it inoperable or at least unreliable.
You may be picking up Star Trek or A Team re-runs.
yor bro ken
Anyone who wants to expand the economic power of the federal government is, by definition, a socialist. GWB was a bit too socialistic for my liking. Barry O is a great big socialist who wants to spend $1 trillion right out of the gate.
Of course I want Barry O’s pro-abortion socialist agenda to fail. If he abandons his crazy agenda and embraces sanity, then I’ll hope for his agenda to succeed. As it is now, though, his policies are only going to result in a deeper recession and more dead babies. Why would I want that to be successful? You Obamaphiles don’t seem to understand that the success of Obama’s current plans is going to be bad for America. That’s exactly why we don’t want them.
As for the new question, Obama is most like Carter and FDR. Carter’s economic policies resulted in the “malaise index” and the good old gas lines. Carter started out as an extremely popular president, but ended up losing to the only good president of the last 50 years, Ronald Reagan, in a landslide. A landslide which dwarfed King Barry’s “historic” win over John McLame, by the way.
How is Barry like FDR? FDR’s economic policies turned “The Depression” into “The Great Depression”. Note that even being elected to office four times, the man still didn’t lead our nation out of the Depression. That didn’t happen until President Truman won WWII.
Mark 8:08PM
You may be interested in my 12:39PM post concerning efforts to silence talk radio. I pointed out that Senator Stabenow(D) of Michigan, who spoke of holding hearings concerning the “accountability” of conservative talk radio, has a serious conflict of interest here. I also pointed out she should keep a closer eye on her husband, and not on what radio programs the American people choose to listen to.
Ken, I’m curious about exactly which religion is going to be at the head of this supposed “American Taliban” that we “right-wingers” are trying to impose on the nation.
Is it going to be a Roman Catholic Theocracy? Are we going to force kids to recite the Hail Mary in school and attend Mass on holy days?
Is it going to be an Eastern Orthodox Theocracy? Is Christmas as a national holiday going to be pushed back a couple of weeks?
Is is going to be a Methodist Theocracy? How about Anglican? Or maybe Presbyterian? Church of the Nazarene, perhaps?
Oh, I know, a Mormon Theocracy! We’ll all be forced to wear name tags.
Sorry Mary, that should have been addressed to Mark. My bad.
John Lewandowski,
My very elderly mother maintained for years that any notion that FDR got us out of the Depression was a crock, it was WW2. She never viewed FDR as any kind of hero.
This was a man who tried to stack the Supreme Court and create a virtual dictatorship
I’m sure confiscating the propety and businesses of American citizens, then putting them in concentration camps and eliminating them from the work force was a help too.
PIP,
No problem.
GWB was a bit too socialistic for my liking.
Yes, John, I agree.
Carter started out as an extremely popular president
That’s a bit far back for me to remember. Did he hold his popularity for most of his presidency or did it fade quickly?
Mary, I have always found it funny that liberals revere a man who put 110,000 Japanese-Americans into internment camps. And then they excoriate conservatives like Michelle Malkin who defend FDR’s action.
FDR’s economic policies didn’t end the Depression; they prolonged it. It took something as dire as a World War to finally end The Great Depression. Let’s hope that the same isn’t true of Barry.
Another funny thing about liberals – they keep on comparing Obama to Lincoln. Surely they realize that when Lincoln was president, hatred between Americans was at an all-time high, and it boiled over into a terrible Civil War which claimed the lives of over 600,000 Americans?
FedUP,
IMO, Carter started out with the best intentions but tried too hard to be “just folks”. He did not present himself as a leader until the latter part of his presidency. I’m convinced the Iranians freed the hostages when they did out of fear of Ronald Reagan. They certainly did not fear or respect Carter. By freeing the hostages on Inaugaral Day they could save face by humiliating Jimmy Carter, and not having to deal with Reagan. Some may disagree with me on this and I respect their opinion, but I remain convinced.
Fed Up, I was born during Carter’s last year, shortly before the greatest president of my lifetime was elected. Unfortunately, he was followed by an oathbreaker, a scumbag, a not-so-conservative-conservative, and the Anti-Christ, respectively.
All of my info on Carter’s presidency is second-hand, but I do know that his Obama-esque economic policies hurt him and the country quite a bit. His approval rating took a real plunge, however, when he screwed up in dealing with the Iran Hostage Crisis.
John L,
I understand Eleanor Roosevelt pleaded with her husband not to issue the executive order putting Japanese American citizens in concentration camps. No matter how I try John, I cannot understand how this gross violation of the Constitutional rights of American citizens can be justified, be they conservative or liberal.
Another thing about Lincoln. He was a Republican! He was also immensely unpopular and I have heard some historians argue the Emancipation Proclamation and ending slavery was simply a means to give some “morality” to the Civil War.
GWB permitting that bail out fund only helped give socialism a foothold. I was bitterly disappointed by his action.
Mary, if you ask me, Jimmy Carter started out as a good man, but he wasn’t ever a good president. Now he’s neither.
Fail Obama Fail!!!
No FOCAing abortion funding.
No FOCAing “stimulis package”.
No FOCAing FOCA.
I have “NO” per-judgement about Obama. The first time I looked into him I was hoping I would see something other than a pro-abot. Turned out he was my worst nightmare. Totally in bed with the “family planning” industry and now he’s trying every way possible to use “our” tax dollars to fund abortion. If Obama fails then the unborn and the impoverished people are safe from “family planning”.
Mary, have you ever read Lincoln’s second Inaugural address? It’s very interesting. In the speech, he suggests that the Civil War is God’s divine punishment for slavery, and says that perhaps the war will not end until the Union and Confederate troops shed their own blood until it is enough to match the spilled blood of the slaves.
Imagine what would happen if a politician were to say something like that today.
John L,
I agree. He was a very decent man. His biggest mistake in my opinion was trying too hard to project himself as “just folks”. He needed to project himself as a leader. and did not.
Since leaving the presidency I think he still tries too hard to be the nice guy that everyone will listen to and who can reason with everyone.
A very dangerous mentality in this world.
Thanks, John and Mary, for sharing your perspectives on Carter.
John L,
Very interesting. Perhaps he was trying to give some kind of moral “justification” for the Civil War. Perhaps he truly believed this. There are so many historical perspectives on the Civil War, why it was fought, slavery, and Lincoln.
I’ve read statements by Lincoln that were blatantly racist.
While slavery was an issue, the Civil War was fought for a number of complex social and cultural reasons. Wars seldom have one simple and neat cause.
Whatever was truly in Lincoln’s heart and what motivated him went to his grave with him.
Ironically, Democrat Andrew Johnson, who succeeded Lincoln, was an avowed racist determined to send the newly freed black slaves back to the plantation.
It was the Democrats who would establish the segregated Jim Crow south and would form the KKK as the terrorist arm of their party.
Fed Up,
You’re entirely welcome. BTW, I am not having personal recollections of the Civil War.:):)
Liz, I don’t care what you look up on google:
I’m looking at a textbook right now saying that he did. It’s called “A History Of Presidents” and is published by Anderson. It’s the textbook I used in a class last summer.
“What crystal ball did you consult to come up with that intel. Congress can not or will not account for where that money went.
I suggest switching to tea leaves or chicken entrails, they might be a more reliable source of accurate intel.”
Uhm, actually I got that from a college current politics course… sooo, yeah… it’s a pretty reliable source.
One of the most frustrating things to me is that people don’t realize what Obama’s healthcare plan is. He doesn’t want everyone to have completely equal healthcare. I’m keeping the exact same healthcare I had before he was in office. My parents are, too. The only thing that will change is that people who had no health coverage, or bad health coverage, can fix that. OH NO!
” If Obama fails then the unborn and the impoverished people are safe from “family planning”.”
Mary, “Another thing about Lincoln. He was a Republican!”
Lincoln’s Republican party wasn’t anything like todays. If Lincoln were here, he wouldn’t be a Republican. Look back over history and see the drastic changes in both parties.
And the Americans that are here already can try to live on no means. WOOO!!!
I like how there are people here who claim they don’t want a Theocracy (just a Christian one) but then talk of the evils of Planned Parenthood for giving birth control to young girls– like sex before marriage isn’t a religious belief. Ha.
Obama sounds like a an extortionist. And don’t expect them to stop bleeding our tax dollars any tine soon. The game plan is that Obama keeps preaching gloom and doom while Geithner figures a way to take a few trilion dollars to create an continual orgie-sized “stimulus” of the the banks that got us into this. Fail Obama Fail!
“like sex before marriage isn’t a religious belief. Ha.”
Josephine, are you aware of the statistics regarding STDs ? That alone is argument enough against premarital sex.
Young girls don’t NEED birth control. Especially when its dispensed behind parents backs without a proper medical exam and history taken.
I suppose your textbook said that Lincoln owned slaves? Well, if he did, he let them go before he was elected President.
Josephine,
What drastic changes? One of the most prominent members of the US Senate, Democrat Robert (Sheets) Byrd is a former klansman and klan recruiter. He used the “N” word on national TV.
In 1965 Lyndon Johnson needed the help of Republicans to pass Civil and Voting Rights legislation. The Democrats, including former Klansman Byrd, were too busy filibustering.
George (“segregation forever”) Wallace, Lester Maddox, and Bull Connor, the police chief who turned fire hoses and police dogs on black civil rights demonstrators, were all Democrats.
Eleanor Roosevelt encouraged her Democrat husband to give his moral leadership to anti-lynching legislation. He wouldn’t. The Democrats opposed this legislation, Republicans supported it.
Most telling in 1991 former klansman David Duke ran as a Republican, over the strenuous objections of the Republican Party, against Democrat Edwin Edwards and lost because there was no Republican support. Edwards was notoriously crooked, but still won.
BTW Senate Democrats have never demanded that (Sheets)Byrd, who also filibustered civil and voting rights legislation in 1965, leave his office. As far as I know they never supported any candidate opposing him in the primary. Someone correct me if I’m wrong about that.
Liz From Nebraska,
This is the first I’ve heard of Lincoln owning slaves. I thought he grew up quite poor. If there’s a source for this I would like to see it.
I understand BTW that Native American tribes and black freedmen owned black slaves.
Liz From Nebraska,
This is the first I’ve heard of Lincoln owning slaves. I thought he grew up quite poor. If there’s a source for this I would like to see it.
I understand BTW that Native American tribes and black freedmen owned black slaves.
Failure is inherent in Obama’s policies. They are not designed to succeed in the way that would benefit everyone. I could “hope” that he will succeed but that is really just a pipe dream.
“BTW Senate Democrats have never demanded that (Sheets)Byrd, who also filibustered civil and voting rights legislation in 1965, leave his office. As far as I know they never supported any candidate opposing him in the primary. Someone correct me if I’m wrong about that.”
Yes, Mary, and they vilify Republicans for less — Trent Lott?
“Young girls don’t NEED birth control. Especially when its dispensed behind parents backs without a proper medical exam and history taken.”
Hahah…uhm, you think that because it’s what your religion taught you. I mean, had religion never been an issue the sex lives of anyone wouldn’t matter to you one bit.
Mary, the difference between the Republicans and Democrats has nothing to do with it’s views on slavery. (And if we’re going that way, please remember that our black president is a democrat..so I’m not sure where you were going with racist examples from fifty years ago..) It’s about the roll of government. Republicans now want SMALL government. And, (if anyone knows where I got this quote from, I’ll love you forever) “Lincoln led a civil war to keep the federal government in charge. That’s not exactly small government.”
Josephine, you can argue with the Church but you can’t argue with Mother Nature! Again, are you aware of statistics regarding STDs and I might add the rate of suicide among promiscuous teens?
Who said if you’re not married you’re promiscuous? I’ve been with the same boy since i was fourteen years old. We’re not married, but I’m sure as heck not “promiscuous”..
J, if there is nothing wrong with premarital sex then why would you be so quick to deny being promiscuous? If one partner is okay then why not more than one? If there is nothing wrong with premarital sex…
Josephine,
I wasn’t talking just about slavery, but a long time effort by Democrats to keep black Americans in their “place”. This might seem like the stone age to you but I well remember it in my lifetime.
Yes I know Obama is a Democrat. The loyalty black Americans give the Democrat Party is mind boggling when you consider the history of the Democrats, which by the way was the pro-slavery party. If you look throughout history you will find it was Republicans who truly struggled for the rights of black Americans.
Any number of black conservatives, including Thomas Sowell and Walter Williams, have argued that liberal Democrat policies and gov’t programs destroyed the black family and community. You should google some of their articles.
You have a point about Lincoln. He did believe in big government and I was very surprised to read that.
Eileen #2
Can we say “double standard”. I understand the Congressional Black Caucus was not pleased with Byrd’s comment but were fearful of saying anything because he is so powerful.
Kind of takes one back to the old plantation days. The powerful white massa and the black folk who always know their place.
Josephine, just to clarify, I am not accusing you of being promiscuous — I am simply trying to make a point.
Mary, I know. I think that Democrats rely on their constituents being uninformed. I think that is why there is the push, recently, for “silencing” talk radio.
I am going to say “goodnight”! Sweet dreams everyone.
I’m quick to deny being promiscuous because I’m not, and it doesn’t make sense to say that people “who aren’t married are promiscuous.” That idea is totally wrong. I’m in a very happy, long serious committed relationship.
Do I think it’s wrong to be promiscuous? It’s not what I like, but if you want to be –fine. Do I think you should be SAFE about it (use protection, get tested often) then absolutely.
Eileen #2
There were even ads out warning people that their representatives might be influenced by Rush. This is getting ridiculous. Didn’t BHO express some concern about Rush as well?
The guy is just a talk show host!
As I have said, Senator Stabenow of Michigan, who has talked of holding hearings on talk radio “accountablity” needs to put a tighter leash on her husband, not what we listen to on the radio.
Posted by: prettyinpink at February 8, 2009 7:00 PM
PIP, Illinois has healthcare for children. I don’t think it’s a bad thing and I have a friend who has benefitted from it when her husband lost his job for awhile.
The problem is that Illinois is practically bankrupt from it. Blago raided 4 million from the teacher retirement fund to pay for things to try and keep the state from going entirely broke. It’s just a mess. There’s no easy answer but I do think we have to come up with a way to pay for everyday care for children.
I do have to say that just because you have insurance doesn’t mean that you’re set. I’ve mentioned before that NONE of my kids well baby visits OR immunizations were covered by my insurance. Something I think is shameful considering it’s the school district’s insurance that my husband works for. I even had to pay out of pocket for my sons’ circumcisions even AFTER my deductible was met.
As I have said, Senator Stabenow of Michigan, who has talked of holding hearings on talk radio “accountablity” needs to put a tighter leash on her husband, not what we listen to on the radio.
Posted by: Mary at February 8, 2009 11:20 PM
I’m SURE there’s no mention of holding the internet blogs “accountable.” Heaven forbid! :)
Josephine, if there is absolutely nothing wrong with sex with multiple partners then why the problem with a high risk of STDs? Religion aside, nature still REBELS! Promiscuous behavior has many negative repercussions. To deny it or ignore it is to turn a blind eye to suffering so that one can justify their own behavior.
BTW, I never said that “people who aren’t married are promiscuous” — stop putting words in people’s mouths and distorting statements.
I read your earlier post that announced your deployment to Iraq. I will keep you in my prayers .
You can get STI’s if you’re married, Eileen. Also, isn’t it you that talked about high risks of STI’s in people that weren’t married? Then, didn’t you say high risk of STIs in people with multtiple partners were higher? Yup both you.
There are plenty of people who have had multiple partners that are completely safe and have never had any STIs, then there are married couples who get STIs.
Anonymous @ February 8, 2009 10:40 PM:
It was Josephine that said her textbook said that Lincoln owned slaves. I didn’t say it.
I know that Jefferson owned slaves and that Washington owned slaves.
Kristen 7:56am
….or Katie Couric.
Josephine,
I join others on this blog wishing you a safe and successful tour of duty in Iraq. Thank you for your service to our country.
If you can, please keep in touch with us. We want to hear from you as much as possible.
Mary
“You can get STI’s if you’re married, Eileen.”
That presupposes that one or the other spouse has an STD to begin with or that one or the other or both are unfaithful within the marriage. People who remain celibate before marriage are not going to contract an STD.
socialism
We have inflation that came with increase of the minimum wage which ALWAyS creates more unemployment.
Now we have new job creation coming from small companies.
Sadly it is a fact that this can not happen because they will be burdened with mandated healthcare premiums on new hires they can’t afford. Obamas marxism has some really bad economic news and consequences built in and many are not educated enough to figger it out and the media is clueless in reporting it.
Eileen, you can get “sexually” transmitted infections from a number of things, not just sex…
Mary, thank you very much. I appreciate it.
Josephine,
Stay safe in Iraq, thanks for your service. Try to keep in contact….
Good-luck.
Steve
Posted by: Mary at February 9, 2009 9:00 AM
How could I forget!?
he reminds me of himself – for we’ve NEVER before had a more inexperienced prez. At least Carter was a governor at some point – right? Or had he not done anything either … well he certainly didn’t do much very well.
Lincoln is only well thot of after his presidency – there was 1/2 of the country that wanted him dead …
People speak of the discourse in America – like it’s always been so nice and lovely. Politics and the discussions – have ALWAYS been rough and tumble.
I don’t want him to succeed in his agenda – don’t mind him as a person … want our country to MAKE it thru – unscathed.
Josephine – WHAT MORALS – In America EVERYTHING’S relative – there are no morals – only people of conscience have them and they are NOT the majority …
O has little morals .. he has nominated people who have not paid their taxes and when they are caught – they don’t have to pay the penalties – why b’c they can’t AFFORD IT? Nope they’re SPECIAL! :( Double standards.
And O’s stance on abortion is embarrassing! I’m sure you’re not aware of it at all!
EMBARRASSING AND DISGUSTING!
Oh Bevy, I can’t tell you how excited I remain having moral adults in charge in Washington again.
The last administration took immorality to new levels. Hope they don’t get locked up with no charges or lawyers or hearings.
Take care, Josephine. You’re in our prayers.
Josephine — please provide info regarding STDS — I bet it is far lower than what is transmitted through sexual intercourse.
Eileen, oral herpes and genital herpes are essentially the same thing. Oral herpes can be hsv-1 or hsv-2, both of which can be contracted via benign things like kissing or sharing a drinking glass. Both hsv-1 and hsv-2 can be transmitted to various locations on another person — oral, genital, near the eye, etc. About 80% of the people in the US have some form of oral herpes already, and most of them contracted it as kids when an infected adult gave them a kiss, etc. Any of those people could transmit the virus to their spouse, even if they were celibate until marriage.
I think the main reason more people DON’T get genital herpes is because they already have the same strain of herpes orally, honestly. But that’s just a theory of mine.
MORAL adults? There’s more corruption in Washington popping up — the nominees and something to do with taxes. Some nominees backing out before confirmation. Unless your definition of morals is cheating on your wife, not paying taxes or slaughtering future TAX PAYERS by the millions BEFORE they are able to take their first breathe is considered “moral”?
Carder: Per The Washington Times: “President Obama’s economic recovery package will actually hurt the economy more in the long run than if he were to do nothing, the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office said Wednesday.
Could be, probably will be, but it’s not politically possible to just let the markets fix themselves. Doesn’t matter who won the election, doesn’t matter which party is in charge of Congress – there really is no “fixing” the problem.
Posted by: Josephine at February 8, 2009 10:19 PM
I like how there are people here who claim they don’t want a Theocracy (just a Christian one) but then talk of the evils of Planned Parenthood for giving birth control to young girls– like sex before marriage isn’t a religious belief. Ha.
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Josie,
Give names of individuals and organizations who are promoting a ‘theocracy like the Taliban’ in the United States.
Where are the folks who are advocating the death penalty for being the victim of rape. Give me the names who are advocating the death penalty for adultery. Give me the names of the folks who are advocating the death penalty for homosexuality. Give the names of the folks who advocate the death penalty for ‘blaspeming against their Christian God.
Your comparison is absurd.
If you had said the pilgrims or the puritans advocated a ‘Christian theocracy’, you might have at least been able to produce some historical evidence. I know that evidence is there because I have seen and read it.
But those folks have been dead for more than 200 years.
I have never read anywhere that Abraham Lincoln owned slaves.
One thing Lincoln did say, which today’s black supremecists and artificial flowers of political correctness take as some evidence of latent racsism on Abe’s part is that his primary goal as president was to preserve the Union. If he could accomplish that goal without slavery that was fine, but even if saving the Union meant including slavery, then he was determined to preserve the Union.
Lincoln’s position on slavery was in no way ambiguous. He hated it. No legitimate historian would ever assert other wise.
You choose to believe the ‘lie’. It may have been thrust upon you, but with a little effort on your part you could find the truth if you were not so interested in being right.
yor bro ken
Josie,
I suggest you read, ‘The American Testament’ by Mortimer Adler. It was published by the Aspen Institute, a well known humanist organization. If you can only trust atheistic humanists, then the book will provide some balance to your distorted view of American history.
‘Do not believe everything you read and only half of what you see.’ Get at least two corroborating sources. If your mother tells you something, get three.
yor bro ken
PIP: The tide is turning; if Asian countries began ‘spending’ it could boost our economy in a significant way.
A big problem with this is that they were spending, bigtime, until the slowdown began in earnest last year. They’re still firing it up pretty good, just not like before.
They’re buying Fords and GM cars, for instance, etc., but most of that stuff, while still in our GNP, is not in our GDP because it’s made outside our borders.
The US still really leads the world in making movies. Hollywood remains supreme. But for most other things, it’s just not competitive to produce it here. For the “tide to turn,” truly, wages would have to fall here enough to make us competitive again.
There too, the American people are not at all ready for that to happen. However, that is exactly what needs to happen.
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Jasper: I could be mistaken PIP but our trade deficite with China is huge. We buy a lot more from then they do from us…so I’m not sure how much we would benefit from China spending..some I guess..
Indeed, and that goes with the above. Our GDP is roughly $14.5 trillion. Last year, we bought $313 billion of Chinese stuff, and they bought $66 billion worth from us.
Their purchases are thus less than 0.5% of our GDP, so no big deal. Over time, Chinese buying from the US will increase, but to truly get things back in some sort of real “balance” will require a lot of pain on the way for Americans.
Josephine: If the stimulus package was used as it was designed to be used– first one included. If we did with that money what we should’ve– spent it, it actually would’ve given the economy a little boost. However, that’s not what happened. People saved. People paid off some of their previous debt. Most of it didn’t just go back into the economy like what was intended.
That’s the rub – our system is not just hooked on debt, but on ever-increasing debt.
Paradoxically, what we need for the long-term is a lot more saving and less going into debt.
http://www.radicalacademy.com/adleramtestament.htm
“When Mortimer Adler writes, his observations are always deserving of the fullest consideration. The reader will inevitably learn and profit from that writing. But when Dr. Adler writes about the Constitution of the United States, it properly may be said that one has nothing less than a duty to read and to learn.”
Harry A. Blackmun
(1908-1999) Associate Justice, United States Supreme Court [One of the 7 Justices in the majority and the author of Roe v Wade
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I do not accept all of Adler’s conclusions, but the book, The American Testament, should be read and understood by every serious student of American History.
yor bro ken
Ken: You may be picking up Star Trek or A Team re-runs.
John L: As for the new question, Obama is most like Carter and FDR. Carter’s economic policies resulted in the “malaise index” and the good old gas lines.
No, no, no – it was the Arab Oil Ambargo and then Nixon’s dumb attempt at price controls.
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Carter started out as an extremely popular president, but ended up losing to the only good president of the last 50 years, Ronald Reagan
Right, Carter really did go downhill on popularity, not to the extent that Bush Jr. did, but enough to lose to Reagan.
Reagan – did well his first two years, without doubt; really tried to reign in gov’t growth and spending. Then, with re-election coming over the horizon, he totally caved in and expanded the national debt like never before.
Mary: IMO, Carter started out with the best intentions but tried too hard to be “just folks”. He did not present himself as a leader until the latter part of his presidency. I’m convinced the Iranians freed the hostages when they did out of fear of Ronald Reagan. They certainly did not fear or respect Carter. By freeing the hostages on Inaugaral Day they could save face by humiliating Jimmy Carter, and not having to deal with Reagan. Some may disagree with me on this and I respect their opinion, but I remain convinced.
Mary, good comments. I imagine they did try to mess with Carter re the timing. And he did try, but wasn’t really politically savvy enough as a President, at least at that time.
At the time, I felt like we shouldn’t have bargained for the hostages – that we should have said, “Release them now, or we’re coming.” We’d have to have meant it, of course.
We’d have to have meant it, of course.
Posted by: Doug at February 9, 2009 5:02 PM
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Somehow I do not see the Iranians ever taking President Carter seriously, even after Carter authorized the rescue attempt that failed.
That scene from Monty Python’s Holy Grail comes to mind where the French soldiers response to the Kings demands were, “We fart in your general direction.”
Or has the dearly departed Rodney Dangerfield would observe, Carter ‘did not get no respect.’
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Doug,
What does the B A stand for?
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like sex before marriage isn’t a religious belief. Ha.
Ya know Josephine, it’s quite unremarkable to always decamp back to the position that a person promoting a certain action/lifestyle you don’t accept as feasible must always do so based on religion. There are plenty of non-religious reasons why sex before marriage is not a good idea today.
Alexandra, I am aware that if a married person with a herpes lesion on their lip has oral sex with their spouse then yes, genital herpes can result. But people who remain chaste and abstain from sexual activity until marriage are not at risk for gonorrhea, syphilis, hpv, chlamydia, etc.
ken @ 5:16 — oh no!… heehee… my favorite parts of the movie — the peasants in the field and the french knights! Oh, and “they call me…Tim”
Doug 5:02PM
Thank you.
I understand that middle eastern cultures view efforts to negotiate as weakness, giving them the upper hand. You’re right that efforts should not have been made at negotiation.
I am convinced the Iranians had absolutely no fear of or respect for Carter. They did of Reagan. Releasing the hostages when they did was face saving for them. They did not want to confront Reagan.
Carter made the mistake of not presenting himself as presidential from day one. Presidents cannot be “just folks”.
“There are plenty of non-religious reasons why sex before marriage is not a good idea today.”
Like? Be aware that says “sex before marriage” and not “being a ho”… there’s a difference.
Some sexually transmitted infections, like herpes and genital warts, can be passed by skin-to-skin contact.
This includes genitals to hand to hand to genitals. It’s not as common as someone getting an STI from sexual contact. It’s not unheard of, either. It can happen pretty easily, depending on the the people you come into contact with.
You can be born with some STIs if your mother has it.
STIs are also spread through blood and spit. It’s actually not too uncommon for doctors to get an STI from an infected patient.
The point here is that STDs are primarily spread through sexual contact. Doctors become infected if barrier methods fail; not by having sexual contact with patients.
The point was that you don’t have to be promiscuous to get an STI. There are lots of way. It’s not only doctors that come into contact with other’s blood, that was just an example..
Ken: Somehow I do not see the Iranians ever taking President Carter seriously, even after Carter authorized the rescue attempt that failed.
Could be, Ken. Now had the attempt succeeded, it’d all be different, so some bad luck with the sandstorm there.
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That scene from Monty Python’s Holy Grail comes to mind where the French soldiers response to the Kings demands were, “We fart in your general direction.”
Reminds me of ‘Spamalot’ – my wife and I saw it off-Broadway. Awesome.
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Or has the dearly departed Rodney Dangerfield would observe, Carter ‘did not get no respect.’
I favor an approach like the Israelis do it – don’t bargain for hostages, and don’t hesitate to retaliate.
What does the B A stand for?
Ken, informally, “Bad Attitude,” or, more properly, “Bosco Albert,” and I bet you knew that. That was a dumb show, but I still watched it once in a while.
The point was that you don’t have to be promiscuous to get an STI. There are lots of way. It’s not only doctors that come into contact with other’s blood, that was just an example..
Posted by: Josephine at February 10, 2009 8:30 AM
Jo, most cases of STDs involve sexual contact. The risk is higher among people who have more than one partner. It is a solid (non-religious) reason for remaining celibate until marriage. Human beings were not meant to treat sexual intercourse as a means of recreation to be indulged in with multiple partners, etc. There are obvious exceptions (as in the case of doctors being infected,etc.) but again,the majority of STDs involve sexual contact.
Eileen#2 is right, as usual.
Unsafe sexual contact, Eileen. Unsafe.
Good thing condoms exist.
“Unsafe sexual contact, Eileen. Unsafe.
Good thing condoms exist.”
I think you are helping me make my point :)
Thanks, liz :)
How is that making your point?
You realize the biggest ho, if properly protected, can make it through life without getting an STI.
A married couple who has only been with eachother can get STIs.
The difference is how safe people are. Not even just during sex, but EVERYWHERE.
You, Eileen, could get an STI. Duh duh duuuun… maybe than you’d stop being so darn judgmental of other people’s behavior.
I have always found it interesting that a bunch of sexual perverts slept around with hundreds of people and drug addicts shot crap into their veins with tainted needles, and that some of these people gave blood and their HIV infection ended up in children… therefore liberals say that we shouldn’t be upset about sexual perverts and drug addicts who are responsible for the AIDS plague, because their evil actions have had consequences beyond their own selves. No, instead, we should blame Pope John Paul II and Ronald Reagan. Ha, ha.
Jo, who is judging? Methinks you call the kettle — black! I was alluding to the fact that if there is nothing wrong with sex outside of marriage which if that is considered acceptable then multiple partners would logically follow as being acceptable. then why the need to protect oneself from the sexual act?
I never called you a “ho”. You started this by asserting that it is religion only that views sex outside of marriage as being morally wrong. I was simply arguing that it goes against the Nature.
I never called you a “ho”. You started this by asserting that it is religion only that views sex outside of marriage as being morally wrong. I was simply arguing that it violates the natural world — biology.
Eileen, it’s a moral equivalence argument. If 10,000 people get AIDS by sleeping around and using dirty drug needles, but at the same time 1 child gets AIDS from a blood transfusion, the left says that there is a moral equivalence and you are evil if you say anything about the sexual perverts and the drug addicts, because that means you’re also attacking the child.
People like Josephine don’t understand, or simply refuse to understand, that if the pervs and the addicts didn’t spread HIV around so much in the first place, it probably would never have been in the blood which was given to the sick child.
And of course you can be opposed to sex outside of marriage based on non-religious grounds. If it were a purely religious argument, only Christians would ever practice abstinence. Yes, there are religious reasons for being chaste, but there are also philosophical and biological reasons for it. Don’t think so? Try reading about Buddhist and Hindu perspectives on the subject.
Thanks, John. I agree with your points.
1.) Lincoln
2.) Kennedy, so that would be “other.”