Jivin’ J’s Life Links 3-19-09
by JivinJ
The first striking feature of fetal organs is that their supply, for all practical purposes, is unlimited….Pregnant women who provide fetal kidneys could do so repeatedly without incurring the medical consequences of adult organ loss….
When overseen by properly-trained physicians, abortion is an extremely safe procedure — even safer than delivering an infant at term. Since far more women have legal abortions each year in the United States than would be required to clear organ wait-lists, if only a small percentage of those women could be persuaded to carry their fetuses to the necessary point of development for transplantation, society might realize significant public health benefits.
The government could even step into the marketplace itself to purchase fetal organs for patients on Medicare and Medicaid, ensuring that low-income individuals had equal access to such organs while keeping the “asking price” elevated.
Smith thinks Appel is intentionally saying radical things in an attempt to draw attention to himself as a business model and Taylor wonders if he’s psychotic or a closet pro-lifer.
I think Appel is merely following the presuppositions of the pro-choice ideology to one of its many horrifying logical conclusions. If women have the unmitigated right to kill their unborn children, then why shouldn’t they have the right to gain possession of the remains of those children and do with those remains what they choose? It’s “their body, their choice,” right? I struggle to see how a pro-choicer could hold on to the presuppositions of the pro-choice position and logically disagree with Appel’s view.
Mexico City, conscience clause, Sebelius, embryonic stem cells. In each case, I have been asked by friends at Democratic or progressive-leaning think tanks not just to refrain from opposing these moves, but instead to support them in the name of a broader understanding of what it means to be pro-life. I mainly refused.
But I do confess that my desire to retain good relationships with the Obama team has tempted me to give what was asked in return for the big payoff of a serious abortion-reduction initiative that I could wholeheartedly support.
Pacific Blue‘s website says women need medical clearance to board a flight if they have passed the 36-week mark in their pregnancy.
“We are relieved to have been informed that both mother and child are reunited, are well and are now being looked after in the hospital,” the airline said in a statement.
Reunited…as if someone stole her baby. Is reuniting her with her child the proper response to a woman throwing her infant in the trash?

I can see it now. Offering organic or vegetarian raised embryos obtain a premium price.
Single mom, Harvard MBA with father having clear skin and no drugs.
How much of a discount for a liver from a child of a redneck with family drankin’ history?
“I think Appel is merely following the presuppositions of the pro-choice ideology to one of its many horrifying logical conclusions.”
Yes, no doubt. Let’s be consistent here. If it isn’t worthy of life or a woman had full autonomy over what is in her body, then this is perfectly legit. Why not take advantage of it, even if you hold to the “safe legal rare” argument? Sure we want knee replacements to be safe, legal, and rare, but since there is nothing wrong with them, let’s study different techniques, do follow up surveys, even use the removed bone for someone else if that is possible. In a like manner, same goes for the product that is removed from an abortion. There was nothing wrong with the abortion in the first place, so how could it be wrong to wait a little bit before having an abortion and putting the abortus to some good use?
Combine this man’s thinking with our death president, and we are really in trouble for the next 4 (I fear 8) years.
yes, we’ve really started towards a “brave new world”.
And Obama is heading us in that direction with his policies.
SinkingZombie, Asitis and PIP, our evolutionary friends:
Back to our dinosaur conversation…..
Big Al is an Allosaur (Allosaur means “different” or “strange” lizard) from Howe Ranch of Wyoming. He was found in the “Death pose” – his head was arched back as far as it could go.
This is common in the fossil record. Technically known as the “Opisthotonic” posture, it is a sign of being asphyxiated to death and rapid burial. In fact, the rapid burial may have caused the suffocation that caused the opisthotonic posture!
For example, Archaeopteryx – the supposed half-bird/half-reptile is also found in the death pose.
The death pose was common enough that some tried to speculate as to the cause – perhaps it was the result of the creature lying out in the desert, and the tendons dried up, pulling the head back? But this does not stack up to the evidence, as the backs of the legs of these creatures also have large, strong tendons – and the legs are found in various positions.
And then there’s this Coelophysis, coming in at almost four feet long, from the Ghost Ranch of New Mexico. Hundreds of these dinosaurs have been unearthed there, and I do not know how many were found in the death pose, but I think it safe to say the majority of them. In these cases, the tail is also arched back far. The legs are bent, the arms are not.
However, it is not just the land animals that are found in the death throes. Fossil fish are part of Edgar Nernburg’s collection in his creation museum in Calgary, Alberta. What would cause these fish to arch their backs while they were buried so fast that they were captured in that position?
The extent of the layers containing these fossils, combined with the way these animals are found is excellent evidence for a global catastrophe, specifically, a global flood.
The Bible records a global flood at the time of Noah, yet the evolutionary interpretation of these layers is that of deep time, and not a global flood.
The death throes are evidence of catastrophe, and evidence for Noah’s flood, for several years. In the July 2007, Journal of Paleobiology article by Kevin Padian and Cynthia Faux, this pair of scientists carried out various experiments on muscle and tendons from the butcher shop, salting them, drying them, soaking them in water, etc…
They concluded, after many experiments, that the “death pose” was the result of pre-mortem activity. In other words, it was death throes, followed by rapid burial which preserved the position of the animal.
If animals were killed in The Great Flood as is described in the Bible then dinosaurs lived when man lived. If dinosuars lived when man lived, the evolutionary theory is debunked. If evolutionary theory is debunked then the Bible is literally true, all of it, which means that we are all responsible to a Holy God. Man regains his true sense of who he really is, repents and abortion, among other crimes is stopped.
Although I do not have enough inside information to be certain, I assume that Jacob Appel’s argument that “a legal market of the organs of aborted children to be bought and sold for transplants” is a straightforward statement of his philosophy and position. As others have pointed out, once the life of the preborn baby has been devalued, it is only a short step to attempt to turn the products of the preborn into money or material benefit for someone else. For years past there have been reports of the commercial use of aborted tissue. The commercialization of embyronic stem cells for purported “scientific” and “health” benefits for the already born is already in place. Experimentation upon embyronic stem cells as a government funded project is an expressed goal of Obama and many of our legislators.
In the midst of the perverse madness to kill and experiment and profit in the claim to advance science and help humanity, Appel’s argument is only another piece.
This is SICK !!!
Love people, use things….NOT the other way around.
When I had my wisdom teeth out, the dentist gave them to me (I don’t know why, I didn’t even ask!) If I wanted to, I could sell or give them away to anyone I chose.
If it’s just “tissue” and not a child or human being, what’s the difference? Why not sell their stem cells, their organs, their “potential life”?
Or maybe most pro-aborts know, deep down, that a baby is not just another “toenail” or “tissue”.
I also would be very interested in seeing the basis for the statistics that aborting a child old enough to have viable organs for transplantation is safer than childbirth. (And… it’s always 100% fatal for the baby – not exactly safe, is it!)
Doesn’t that blow the whole proabort lie that it’s not human? If it’s not human then why do they want the parts?
“If evolutionary theory is debunked then the Bible is literally true, all of it, which means that we are all responsible to a Holy God.”
That doesn’t follow, oh scientific one. Those aren’t the only two options.
IF evolutionary theory is debunked, I could make up 100 different theories to explain our situation more plausible than the literal truth of the bible.
Doesn’t that blow the whole proabort lie that it’s not human? If it’s not human then why do they want the parts?
Posted by: Carla at March 19, 2009 2:07 PM
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This was my thinking exactly, Carla.
The whole thing is beyond disturbing and inhumane. Not that abortion is humane to begin with, but Appel’s argument…ugh!
Hisman: Flinstones was a fictional, though very funny, animated sitcom. ;) I highly doubt Humans and Dinosaurs lived at the same time. However, Humans did live at the same time as the Wooly Mammoth.
Careful Liz, blasphemy of Hisman’s beliefs will cause him to try to get you banned.
There is some thought that the word translated in the Bible as behemoth actually refers to a type of dinosaur.
Well, then it must be true.
Um, Hal, I’m a Catholic Christian. The only difference in beliefs (in this case) is Catholics don’t believe in the LITERAL 6 day creation.
Elisabeth: I didn’t know that. Pretty cool!
Liz,
“The only difference in beliefs (in this case) is Catholics don’t believe in the LITERAL 6 day creation.”
I would add the word “necessarily” in between “don’t” and “believe” because there isn’t anything wrong with a Catholic believing in a literal 6 day creation as far as the Church goes. A Catholic can take a multitude of interpretations of Gen 1 and 2 and still be in good standing. God love you.
“IF evolutionary theory is debunked, I could make up 100 different theories to explain our situation more plausible than the literal truth of the bible.
Posted by: Hal at March 19, 2009 2:19 PM”
Oh Hal, finally an honest statement from a truly twisted mind. I think that’s termed a brain fat). Heck God even jackasses to speak truth. The key words here are “made up”. Yes you would have to make up some stories an a vain attempt to disprove the Bible.
However, please try to be a liitle bit omre original and creative Hal. Men have been making up stories trying to diss God for millenium. You know, things like evolution, humanism, pantheism, liberalism, Obamaanism, etc. and now a Halism. C’mon Hal, you don;t beleve in UFOs do you?
You know, I always thought that if the Bible were made up, all the people in it sure could have painted a rosier picture of themselves. I mean, God knows I wouldn’t have wanted all MY dirty laundry aired to the world! If I were going to make up stories, I’d really make myself look good, ya know? ;)
Alas, their weak humanity shows through. It gives me hope, as I too am a weak human. :)
Yeah, Liz, I thought it was cool, too. If you read the description of the behemoth in Job (I think that’s where it is, which makes sense because chronologically Job is one of the oldest parts of the Bible… predating Abraham) it sounds exactly like a dinosaur, possibly a brontosaurus or something similar.
I think people don’t realize that without God, evolution can’t work. (I don’t know that evolution is how God chose to work, not claiming that…) All things in the universe, left to themselves, go towards greater chaos, NOT greater order. Only with a constant influx of energy can things go from lower levels of organization to higher levels of organization.
If one does believe in evolution… it CANNOT function without a creator, on that basis alone, and there are other points at which evolution does not work without intervention.
I’ve always thought it interesting that the humanist viewpoint of evolution, if looked at logically based upon science, requires that one look back at the creator as the source of all life.
Thanks for adding that, Bobby. I should have added it myself.
No Hal, I don’t care about differing opinions, I get enraged when you blaspheme my God.
You see, I have the mind of Christ. This is not my assertion, this is the Bible’s promise. And based on our antithesis and your alignment with all that is Luciferian (anti-Christ), I say the Bible is correct.
It is no surprise that the Catholic Church doesn’t take the Creation story literally. This position allows church teaching and tradition to have as much weight as Scripture. So, at least they are consistent. That and they were burned by the age old and wrong RCC teaching that said that the earth was the center of the Universe.
If their focus was more Biblically oriented they would would have known that the Bible did not ever teach that the earth was the center of the Universe and they would soon realize that the literal Creation story is the only acceptable theology.
It is a very dangerous thing to add to God’s word and, to blaspheme God.
It is a very dangerous thing to add to God’s word and, to blaspheme God.
Posted by: HisMan at March 22, 2009 11:40 AM
I’ll take my chances.