Jivin J’s Life Links 6-05-09
by JivinJ
Why couldn’t the Post find a pro-life doctor who specializes in helping women who want to carry their children with fetal anomalies to term?
Bob Enyart, spokesman for CO Right to Life, which has demonstrated against Hern for decades, said that although his group doesn’t condone Tiller’s slaying, abortion providers should expect that violence begets violence.
“If a Mafia hit man gets killed, people recognize it’s an occupational hazard,” he said….
Enyart has no sympathy. “The perpetrators of widespread injustice like slave traders and Nazis expect to go home and live in tranquility. That’s an absurd expectation.”
Really, Bob? Is your desire for publicity so strong you’re willing to pull a Randall Terry just to get quoted in the LA Times?
The suit alleges Mull’s car “without warning accelerated,” hit her and she was thrown to the ground.
Mull’s attorney, Joseph Green, says that’s a claim that’s been “very, very vigorously denied.”
“It was a low-energy impact, if it even occurred,” Green said, noting that, if anything, Mull’s side mirror may have touched Murphy. “Certainly it wasn’t anything intentional, and any contact was very slight if it occurred.”
… Ashley, who has a wife and three children, testified on Monday that he lost control of himself when Grayson, who was 8 1/2 months pregnant, told him that he wasn’t the father of her unborn child.
But prosecutor Casey Bates said he thinks that the evidence in the case indicates that Ashley killed Grayson, using a pair of scissors, because she wouldn’t get an abortion or give up the child for adoption.
Bates said that when Ashley finally called many hours after he stabbed Grayson, he said, “My baby’s mother has been stabbed.”
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
“Why couldn’t the Post find a pro-life doctor who specializes in helping women who want to carry their children with fetal anomalies to term?”
Because 99% of the media is far left liberal and pro abortion.
The Hern article only quoted one so called pro life person who does not represent the mainstream.
Abortion is good, Tiller, Hern, Carhart are heroes helping “desperate women” and pro life people are crazy. That’s how the “news” media reports this.
Joanne:
Are you trying to say that the media thinks that a living human being in the womb of its mother is just an insentient blob of tissue?
Please say no.
My oh my oh why!
HisMan,
I know you arent serious, but this is how the media portrays it. “Abortion is not murder” Hern and other doctors do “women’s reproductive health care”, abortion is necessary and good for “women’s health”…. the list goes on and on.
I’m so glad Bill OReilly said he is going to continue to expose abortion for what it is and he’s not going to be intimidated.
Ick.
I have to agree that people out there pulling the Randall Terry are completely demeaning the work that good, compassionate, pro-life people-like you, Jill-are doing to make abortion unthinkable.
Also, I wanted to thank you for posting the Anti-Abortion Handbook. Although the pro-aborts think it’s full of lies, I found it extremely insightful, and sent a copy to my mother, who was recently mentioning that she wished to engage in discussion about abortion, but couldn’t find the words and felt she needed to educate herself further.
I have encouraged her to read it and educate herself in other ways, but it is certainly an excellent starting point.
The lib media wouldn’t find a Dr. who would help the mother carry the child to term because they’re interested in the hot-button topic right now, and they’re pro-abort. A feel-good story about a doctor encouraging moms to carry babies to term would get far fewer ratings, and would be far more pro-life. Forget making the world better at all, this is all about agenda.
Perhaps we will see a rise of stories about pro-life doctors in the pro-life ‘media’… It would certainly be good to hear/read!
I agree with Bob Enyart.
I just heard on Fox news that the DOJ is going to have a federal investigation into the murder of Tiller. It may be prosecuted as a “hate crime” and the DOJ also wants to determine if others were involved even though the police have said he acted alone.
Will there also be a federal investigation into the murder of the solider at the military recruiting office on Monday? I’m sure not!
MaryRose,
“A feel-good story about a doctor encouraging moms to carry babies to term would get far fewer ratings, and would be far more pro-life.”
I could use a few “feel good” stories about now. Anderson Cooper had a touching story on his show last week about a woman who carried her sick baby to term. (I think Jill may have posted about it.) Hopefully he’ll continue with more of those stories.
Another great story about a Mom (in Canada) who carried her anencephalic baby to term and loved and cared for her for 90+ days of her sweet, wonderful life is at http://www.babyfaithhope.blogspot.com . This Mom had to fight a bit to get a doctor to care for her daughter and has had to endure a lot of hateful comments but she endured and loved her baby to the end. I found it very touching.
Janet,
I’m on your side. I could use a few happy stories.
I’ll take a look and see what I can find about the Anderson Cooper.
Not to get too political, but this is part of why Sarah Palin was such a breath of fresh air!
That story of Faith Hope is BEAUTIFUL! Thank you for sharing, army_wife!
I’ll have to respectfully disagree with the comments about the Bob Enyart quote. I don’t think that what he was quoted as saying constitutes anything but common sense, sorta like “Those who live by the sword die by the sword”. They do.
Whoa. I’m really confused. Jill’s upset with the Enyart quote because…why??? How was that ANY different than the reams of comments re:Tiller that have posted to this very blog for the past week? Jasper above admits to agreeing with him. Frankly, those comments coming from a PL leader sound quite tame, to me.
Seems as if Jill is more upset that the comments were made ‘in front of company’ rather than that they were made at all.
Doyle,
The problem is, there are so many things he could have said to further the pro-life movement. Instead, he was incendiary. Those pro-choicers reading it roll their eyes and go “Hitler again” and those pro-lifers reading it have one of 2 reactions: Jills reaction, or “Yeah! He was a bad man! We hate him! Good, he’s dead!”
It’s not that the sentiment (live by the sword, die by the sword) doesn’t have merit. It’s how easily that sentiment is twisted into “We hated him anyhow.”
Danielle,
To some extent, that’s exactly the problem. Public figureheads don’t have the luxury of always speaking their mind. See my comment to Doyle re: this.
Ditto Jasper and Doyle.
This difference of opinion seems to be split along lines of gender.
I remember going to a marriage seminar that had a segment on communication. They taught that many things guys would say or hear would in their opinion be like dropping a pebble. On the contrary, women asked about those same comments considered them more like a bomb going off.
Jivin’ J and MaryRose consider Bob Enyart’s comments inflammatory rhetoric in order to gain publicity. Jasper, Doyle & I consider them to be valid statements, even warnings to those that would consider such a nefarious career.
Performing abortions may be legal today in the US but it’s obviously morally reprehensible and is accompanied by inherent hazards.
Ed,
I don’t know that I feel like the comments are INTENTIONALLY incendiary. Actually, I feel like it’s likely they’re just calling a spade as they see it. I think they have some knowledge that the more dramatic statements get more attention, but I think they say them because they think more attention is what our cause needs.
I just worry that by getting that attention, they’re actually doing us a disservice. I don’t think it’s of this severity, but as I always say in these cases, even the road to Hell is paved with good intentions.
Danielle, Jill didn’t write this blog post. Note the by-line.
Ed, Jivin’ J is a man, not a woman. Hence, the name Jivin’ Jehoshaphat.
You can see his blog link in the by-line.
Hey MaryRose,
Perhaps this is just an example of how God “hard-wired” men and women to fulfill different parts of his plan. I see this in business. Some personalities are better suited for mangement, others, pioneering and taking risks.
Someone has to be there for Dr. Tiller’s surviving loved ones to help them through their loss with compassion and empathy. And even on a larger scale, to engage the PC community in meaningful dialogue and reasonings.
At the same time, someone’s got to be out there telling it like it is and preaching the truth. It’s almost like the old good cop, bad cop routine. Or even like God’s Love, and His Judgment.
Many disagree with the tactics of CBR yet they force the issue. They refuse to allow aborion to be trivialized. While they may offend many, they engage many as well. The more people see abortion for what it is, the more public opinion will swing our way.
That’s my opinion anyway.
Ed, Jivin’ J is a man, not a woman. Hence, the name Jivin’ Jehoshaphat.
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Oh well, I guess that shoots my whole hypothesis! Actually, my comments regarding different personalities in business could still apply.
Gotta run,
Peace!
I just heard on Fox news that the DOJ is going to have a federal investigation into the murder of Tiller. It may be prosecuted as a “hate crime” and the DOJ also wants to determine if others were involved even though the police have said he acted alone.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,525243,00.html
This story is very disturbing in that it seems the DOJ along with proaborts are fishing for anything that can link prolifers to Tiller’s death.
Will it soon be a “hate crime” to be against abortion in the same way that it is a “hate crime” to talk back against homosexuality? You can see that we a slowly slipping into a totalitarian regime with this kind of nonsense.
Ed,
Interesting stance.
I just have seen enough pro-life people react to Randall Terry in ways that made me want to vomit for me to feel like he’s not doing us any favors.
We have PLENTY of ammo without their type of drama.
Perhaps they are a good example of a different hard-wiring, and play a necessary part in the pro-life agenda. I guess I just prefer the styles of those like Fr. Frank Pavone of Priests for Life.
Although, admittedly, I’m an unabashed Catholic. So I suppose I have my biases.
As far as I am concerned, all murders are hate crimes, but according to liberals they are only hate crimes if the victim was gay, a minority, or now an abortionist.
And I repeat…. will they label the killing of a solider this week in Arkansas as hate crime?
I’m not holding my breath.
Hey guys. I just wanted to give you an update on my cousin’s murder. They have a man in custody. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31091028/
MaryRose: “It’s not that the sentiment (live by the sword, die by the sword) doesn’t have merit. It’s how easily that sentiment is twisted into “We hated him anyhow.”
MaryRose, I think I understand your concerns, at least to some extent. But what I would counter is that we cannot in any way allow the tendencies of the proaborts to twist words to inhibit our expression of the truth, the necessary truth.
If we used that as our guideline, then they could practically silence us totally.
You might not appreciate what your percieve as a lack of remorse on his part, but that falls far short of “We hated him anyhow”. The actual words he is quoted as saying are in no way inappropriate, IMO. “Live by the sword and die by the sword” is indeed meant to teach a lesson about violence.
We certainly have not seen any remorse OR outrage from the proaborts about the death of the young military recruiter in Arkansas by the Moslem fanatic.
No, their “outrage” about Tiller’s death is purely political, and their “sadness” is purely put on, like a new hat they just found.
Doyle,
“we cannot in any way allow the tendencies of the proaborts to twist words to inhibit our expression of the truth, the necessary truth.”
I agree with you there.
Though I’m not so much worried with proaborts’ perceptions as I am with some of the prolife reactions I’ve seen. Attitudes like, “I have no sympathy” and “He’s burning in Hell where he belongs”… Those are the reactions that concern me.
Danielle, Jill didn’t write this blog post. Note the by-line.
Posted by: Kel at June 5, 2009 3:13 PM
-Kel, thank you for the correction.
Disgusting! “…a 13 year old teenybopper that’s been raped by stepfather….I’ll abort that…” Hern said. Instead of reporting the rape to police so the stepfather is **arrested**? Because what you do bet the girl was sent right back to her abuser (which was the case with a few of Tiller’s victims in Kansas. So sickening and sad.)
MaryRose,
I haven’t see a lot of that, and I wonder if you really know the people making those comments? Are you sure they really are all prolifers?
It’s true that there has been, and maybe still is a lot of bitter anger towards this man who openly flouted the law while getting rich by killing babies. For the devoted prolifer, his prominence, outspokenness, and attitude was quite profane and disgusting. I think a subdued expression of a sense of relief over his absence at his killing mill is understandable, and I wouldn’t read too much into it.
Doyle,
No, I don’t know them personally. Because it runs rampant on certain forums claiming to be pro-life, I find it frustrating however. I am constantly re-asserting the need to be compassionate and sympathetic individuals. I am constantly reaffirming the fact that the biggest tragedy of Tiller’s death is that it robbed him of repentance.
I will agree that there is somewhat of a sigh of relief among pro-lifers who were aware of Tiller’s practice. I am not celebrating, or relieved, myself. I would have preferred to see him come to legal justice. He was so close to losing his license to practice, too.
I’m not saying, though, that the subdued “relief over his absence at his killing mill” is at all unacceptable. I’m only saying that the particular wording of those such as Terry sometimes leads to the wrong responses in people… and that it creates more work in its own way for those who insist on peaceful solutions.
I’m not sure exactly what my stance is on Randall Terry. I find him somewhat incendiary, and I think he uses emotional ploys at times when logical and scientific arguments are more effective. But then, I am and have always been the sort who wants always to feel like she won the debate on a clearheaded, logical level, rather than reducing myself or my opponent to emotional tactics. I’m that way to a fault at times.
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RJ,
We love you. You’re a great story. May God bless you.
Steve
I love to fish but I am overjoyed when a sinner comes to faith in the Lord Jesus Christ!
AMEN RJ! And all of Heaven rejoices with you!
Ooor, maybe, they tried to get a pro-life doctor and couldn’t find one. Maybe other pro-lifers didn’t want to comment. You wouldn’t believe the trouble that most of the reporters I’ve spoken to have getting pro-lifers on the record. It’s neigh impossible. So, before you all start blabbering on about the vast media conspiracy, keep in mind that a) most editors are actually quite conservative, and b) some people frankly don’t want to be interviewed.
Which is interesting, because Jill doesn’t at all seem to be averse to publicity.
http://archives.chicagotribune.com/2008/aug/21/local/chi-zorn_21aug21
(Jill’s mentioned her with regards to the BAIPA)
Jill, and other’s did you know Gianna Jessen, is on twitter?
Angele, in reguards to your last post, I was just courious as to wether or not you had begun a support group for post abortive wimen. You’re one smart Lady! If God is leading you to do pro-life work, Do it!
RJ,
So glad to hear your story! Thank you very much for sharing! *smiles*
It’s always nice to hear a story of hope and perseverance, especially with such a lovely ending (of sorts).
God bless.
Did you take the abortion vigilantism check list, liar?
http://www.americanrighttolife.org/news/abortion-vigilantism-worksheet
“most editors are actually quite conservative”…
Posted by: Human Abstract at June 5, 2009 7:53 PM
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Perdoname,
What is your source for this factoid that defies reality?
yor bro ken
Although the false allegation that Bob Enyart’s abortion
vigilantism worksheet supposedly promotes vigilantism
comment was removed, making my comment rather
confusing, the worksheet has begun to receive incredible
praise.
“Dear friends,
I just read the Abortion Vigilantism Worksheet. I am a pro-life professor of ethics. I plan to use this in class. It is the best thing on this subject I have ever read. I just want to thank you profusely for devising it.
Shalom, Dr. Ronda Chervin”
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I thought everyone would get a kick out of this pro abortion, yes, pro abortion blogger hilariously lampooning the insane media coverage of Tiller’s murder:
“I find the predominantly liberal advocates for abortion rights to be almost utterly unbearable. Consider this mewling appeal to Obama as Pontifex Maximus and politico-cultural plenipotentiary of the universe, Augustus of the East and West, Commander-in-Chief, dieu-donné, most blessed among men. The tone is at once hectoring and ingratiating, and worse yet:
“This was a terrorist act, one in an ongoing campaign against Dr. Tiller, … —but no one in our government will call it terrorism. … our government is unwilling to call this orchestrated, overt, unapologetic campaign against women and their healthcare providers terrorism, …. Mr. President,…. I am scared for whoever will be next, if the government continues to fail to take this terrorist campaign seriously”
A terrorist act? A terrorist campaign? They were threatening castration! Are we gonna split hairs?
The putative left, we see, is just as eager … to animate parallel systems of harsher surveillance and punishment for the political compeers of such criminals. Thus Dr. Tiller’s murderer is not simply a murderer, but the beachhead of a hostile force. Outlaw them! Spy on them! Watch their websites! Shut down the hate! Perhaps the more virulent believers should be preemptively detained, lest they act on their degenerate and violent beliefs.
It is sad that Dr. Tiller was killed, and one hopes that some measure of justice is delivered to his accused killer, who is already in custody. But perhaps we should pause before demanding the creation and implementation of the future crime division.”
more at http://whoisioz.blogspot.com/2009/06/with-friends-like-these.html#links
MaryRose, I’m not sure exactly what my stance is on Randall Terry either. I haven’t kept up with him much lately, but there certainly are questions about his past.
You say “I find him somewhat incendiary, and I think he uses emotional ploys at times when logical and scientific arguments are more effective.”
Logic and science are good tools to use to refute the wildly illogical and unscientific claims made by proaborts to try to justify elective abortion, but other than that they have no real application the the moral questions about abortion. Abortion is, in the end, a moral issue, because the ultimate factor which determines our stance is our value system, which is always morally based, and morals are always emotionally based.
We need only ask someone “Which has higher value to you, the life of an innocent unborn baby, or the right of a pregnant woman to kill that baby for whatever reason or no reason?” And that, of course, is an emotional/moral question.
Anyone who places the right to kill above the right to life is simply a proabort. And the word “proabortion” is in many dictionaries.