“Pregnant man” gives birth to son
It’s a boy this time for the misnomered “pregnant man” Thomas Beatie (pictured right with first child, Susan).
See my previous posts here.
Sky News reports today:
A controversial transgender man has given birth to his second child, a year after his daughter was born.
Thomas Beatie delivered a healthy baby boy early on Tuesday morning, according to ABC News. His wife Nancy will breast-feed their son, as she did with their daughter Susan Juliette, who was born in OR in June last year….
During his first pregnancy, Mr. Beatie released a photograph of himself showing his pregnant belly and bearded face. He became known around the world as the “pregnant man” and was sent death threats and hate messages by people who disagreed with what he was doing.
The 35-year-old said at the time: “I think that people will be shocked because no-one’s ever heard of a man giving birth before.
“I guess it’s a shocking concept, but in this day and age that’s possible. And it’s happening now.”
Sorry to break this to you, Thomas, but you’re not actually a man. Men don’t have functioning female reproductive organs, including the uterus. The article continues:
Mr Beatie, who was born as Tracy Lagondino, underwent gender reassignment surgery and hormone treatment to become a man. He chose to keep his female reproductive organs but is legally recognized as a male.
The couple decided he would bear their children because Mrs. Beatie, 46, had already had a hysterectomy and was unable to conceive. After stopping his male hormone treatment, he became pregnant with donor sperm bought on the internet.
People also covered the story, adding:
Sources tell ABC it was a “natural childbirth….”
[HT: moderator Carder; photo attribution: techotic.com]
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
This was a WOMAN giving birth. Men can NOT give birth.
Tracy was severely traumatized as a child (I believe when Jill posted about this last year there was some information on her past and it included abandonment by her father and her mother’s suicide).
This baby wasn’t the result of Unitive love between a husband and a wife. It was the result of Artificial Insemination from a donor. Another man is the father. Not “thomas”
Yep. It’s a woman. I worked with a gay man. He was in the process of growing breasts. He dressed like a woman, but he was never going to get rid of his penis. He even changed his name to Dawn. Despite his name change, fake nails, breasts, and hair extensions, he will always be a man.
Those poor kids are going to be mightily confused when they get a little older and start asking where babies come from…
I wonder how the man feels who sees now how his donor sperm was used? hmmmm
“Bearded Woman Gives Birth” is more appropriate.
Oy.
Oh yes, they’ll learn that babies can come from test tubes and petri dishes, and not from an act of love between a husband and wife. Then they’ll learn you can create a defect free perfect baby with blue eyes and blond hair with sperm from dead geniuses!
Give me a break!
you don’t think a child will be confused when they learn that daddy has a uterus and had babies? Right.
My guess is that someday we will be reading about how angry these children are for what these two stupid women did to them.
All in the name of self-fulfillment. For shame.
lol @ Dave
Anonymous, please do not be Anonymous. The confusion that the child will experience is that he will think that having two mothers and that in vitro fertilization is “normal” and “natural.”
These children will be confused and hurt, just like the children that are born from sperm donors. This was no man that gave birth. God was very clear that men can’t give birth. I find it appalling that gender identity is no longer based off the anatomy with which you’re born, but rather what you feel like having. It’s a slap in God’s face for having created you in His image the way He wants you to be. Shame on these two women.
How can people fall for such a lie. IF someone has a uterus, then that person would be a woman, with a penis… So in that case he/she is really neither male or female…. I can have my breasts removed, but I’d still be a woman… sorry TRACY, YOU’RE STILL A WOMAN, BUT YOU HAVE A PENIS.
Still waiting to see a real man transgendered into a woman, then give birth to a baby using natural child-birth.
Now – that would be news, instead of the bearded lady.
What a cute baby. I hope that Thomas and his partner (I think that he’s either married or has a partner- am I right?) are doing well.
So cute. Baby!
Do they think they fooled God?
Oh, wait, now I see it: his wife’s name is Nancy. Got it.
I believe that’s the picture of the baby girl that was born last year. They don’t have a picture of the boy yet.
This situation makes Jon and Kate + 8 look like quality television. Heaven help us if the “pregnant man” ever gets a reality television show!
Can a man impregnate himself?
If so, why was donor sperm needed?
Check and mate……………
They seem like a very loving and happy family.
That’s what matters.
Just because this person is “legally recognized” as a man doesn’t make it true, right, or good.
God ain’t smiling on this, and it’s still a case of Susie has two mommies.
It’s disgraceful, but while they still breathe there is still hope for their hearts to turn to God.
God is not mocked. God is NOT a woman, either.
Anonymous, this baby was not created out of LOVE.
I think people should be able to have sex change operations if they’ve consistently felt throughout their lives that they’re trapped in the wrong body. There are children from stable and loving homes who insist from a very young age that they are the other gender – and not because they want to play with dolls like the girls or trucks like the boys, but because they’ve got a girl brain in a boy body or vice versa.
But I think if you’re going to have a sex change operation, you’ve got to go all the way with it, or as much of the way as possible. Keeping your female reproductive organs and getting pregnant is definitely not going all the way. Whether they were born male or had a sex change operation, men of any type do not have babies. If you can give birth, something about your body is still very female.
Maybe Thomas Beatie has a male brain in a female body, but if that’s the case, he’s keeping the body way too female.
P. S. I would really appreciate it if people here would stop making cruel comments. If you don’t approve of sex change operations or have major issues with the way in which this child was conceived, okay, go ahead and say that. But if you think T.B. is mentally unhealthy, can’t you just feel sorry for him (or her, to you)? You act as though T.B. is purposely doing something malicious, and even if you don’t agree with him/her, I really don’t think that’s the case.
I posted a blog about this on my facebook page back in March…Here were my thoughts…
I am sure you have heard about this “phenomenon” occuring throughout our society…men having babies. Well, I have a very simple question…if you are a woman who “wants” to be a man, but still has female organs, and you get pregnant, how is this considered a MAN being pregnant?
Gender is determined at conception and is part of your DNA make up. If you grow to feel like you “should” be the opposite sex, that does not make you the opposite sex. If you are a woman who is pregnant and “feels” like a man, that does not make you a pregnant man.
Even if you are a woman who has her internal organs removed, and her external organs transformed into the male organs, you are STILL a woman…your DNA was not changed during this process.
So, as you can see, I am very confused about how all the news stories are calling these women “men”, and falsely claiming that these “men” are pregnant. I agree, it would be a freakish miracle if a man were to become pregnant, but it is just not possible. There is nothing special about a pregnant woman who looks like a man. Nothing. She is just a pregnant woman (who happens to look like a man). So I wish people would get over it.
It makes me laugh, because I think about what is next…
I am a woman who feels that I should have been born a tree…I mean, I really, really feel that way. (Who are you to tell me that I cannot feel this way????!!!!!) I have even gone as far as to have bark, branches and leaves attached to my body. And, now, low and behold, I am pregnant!
Look at me…the first pregnant tree!!!
Yes. This pregnant “man” is a favorite topic of Oprah, Dr. Phil. I find it rather boring, because she has to have a uterus. That would make her a female by birth.
Does anyone remember the model, Tula? He was just a man who had a full sex change. That just means she had a plastic vagina.
…he could not give birth.
I wish this family well!
Marauder:
These acts are out and out rebellion.
There’s no other way that they can be described.
Whenever we seek our own will and not that of our Creator, we sin.
Careful, before you are led away to deception as well.
HisMan, how do you know that it’s not the will of God that someone deal with this situation? God gives people all types of problems, but when people try to overcome other problems, we don’t say that they’re seeking their own will and not the will of God.
I’m with you, AK Krystal. Well-wishes for them.
What is one of the few things a man has that a woman does not want?
A beard! (rim shot)
Judging from the photograph, Beatie has ruined this joke.
A woman who proudly sports a beard.
I bet Beatie probably suffers from acute and chronic channel surfing syndrome. It is a condition with which men are predisposed, but it is not a compulsion that is peculiar to men.
yor bro ken
Marauder:
Perhaps unknowingly, by stating, “God gives people all types of problems”, you have blasphemed God.
Read this truth please:
“James 1:13-15 (New International Version)
13When tempted, no one should say, “God is tempting me.” For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone; 14but each one is tempted when, by his own evil desire, he is dragged away and enticed. 15Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death.”
Not to worry, God also says this:
“1 John 1:8-10 (New International Version)
8If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. 9If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. 10If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word has no place in our lives.”
Peace to you.
how can you be so closeminded? this family is full of love, the children will be raised with love and that’s all that matters.
stop being voyeurs and get over it.
kathleen:
It is no act of love to not bring children up in the “nurture and admonition of the Lord”.
Do you claim to know the Lord?
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The children will grow up loved, perhaps, but they also will be confused about a lot of things. They aren’t being raised in a family with a mother and a father, they are being raised in a home with a woman who is very confused (due to traumatic events in her life when she was younger) about her identity and a second woman. What happens when those precious children have hard questions that can’t be answered? They don’t have a father and a mother, they have two MOMMIES.
Plus, the father of this new baby was a DONOR from the internet. That’s just disgusting!
The media’s love affair with “transgendered men and women” is, literally, insanity. I have gotten into it with numerous men and women, and have told them flat-out, you might get the media to play your stupid little game of biological denial with you, but I refuse. If you have a penis and testes, you are a man, and I will address you as such, no matter how much YOU WISH it weren’t so. If you have a uterus and ovaries, you are a woman, and I will address you as such, no matter how much YOU WISH you were a man. How come no one calls the media out on this crap? THEY REGULARLY ADDRESS WOMEN AS MEN AND MEN AS WOMEN, AND I’M SICK OF IT. I’m tired of people just ignoring biological fact. If you don’t like the fact that the fetal stage of human development is a developing human life, just deny it, and the media will back you up. If you don’t like that you happen to be a man, just say you aren’t, and the media will back you up. These people are insane!!! I can say, “My heart isn’t really my heart, I think it was meant to be my liver, and I’m going to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars so my heart can do what it was meant to do!”, but I’ll probably die eventually, and nothing I say or believe will ever make my heart into a liver. aslkda;lgua;orgin;oad
I just know that I don’t like this situation but I’m sure these two parents will be communicating with their children about what happened to conceive them.
I usually agree with all of you on here but today I must disagree. I don’t think it is hurting anyone that they want to be another gender nor is it my business if they want to be another gender. I have a good childhood friend who claims to be a woman but is really a man. So what I say! I still love her!
It is not our job to judge others based on how they live their lives. That is God’s job and anyone who claims to be a Christian and judges others based on their life style is a hypocrite.
You can not judge them and still not condone their behaviors, this IS possible. If you don’t condone their life style or behavior then just choose not to associate with them and leave it at that. Do not hate on them because they are different, what you say to them will not change their minds anyway.
Congratulations Thomas I watched your interview with Barbara Walters.That’s why I knew you were expecting the 2nd child.
This is simply nonplussing: what separates Thomas from any one of us? He’s a human being- he is capable of loving his children just as much as anyone else. Family is the term that one bestows upon those in his or her life who have produced, arm linked in arm, a wall of concern and acceptance. Gender or any confusion of gender has nothing to do with family.
Yes, Vannah, and I have no problem with them having kids, and I’m sure they’ll probably do a great job with them if they can now just retreat from the media attention that goodness knows why they sought out.
“It is not our job to judge others based on how they live their lives. That is God’s job and anyone who claims to be a Christian and judges others based on their life style is a hypocrite. ”
I’m not a Christian, I’m a biologist in training, and sorry if I think people shouldn’t be allowed to just disregard actual fact in favor of their delusions and have everyone else (heck, not even everyone else, just the media is what I find so upsetting about this, I mean, it’s their job to REPORT ACTUAL FACTS, not facilitate people in their denial of actual facts) just go along with it.
Well than xalisae, why does the media coverage bother you so much?
You so know you don’t have to watch the TV right?
Well than xalisae, why does the media coverage bother you so much?
You do know you don’t have to watch the TV right?
Some people might think that they really are born the wrong sex. Who cares???
If it bothers you so much then why don’t you try to change the laws regarding name changing after a nex change?
Why does this type of issue bother you so much?
“If you don’t like the media facilitating disinformation, just stop trying to be informed!”
Yeah. Right.
If the media is reporting on someone who is in a mental hospital and THINKS they are Abraham Lincoln, they don’t address the guy as such. I care, because people aren’t properly doing their jobs-jobs that affect many, many people.
This type of issue bothers me because it’s a good example of the world going mad, forsaking knowledge of scientific fact in favor of silly notions that make them feel good. Form over substance is kinda a pet peeve of mine.
Kathleen,
“stop being voyeurs”
Huh???????
This twisted couple has splashed their story
in all the tawdry “magazines” our media obsessed culture
puts forth each week.
I never buy or read that trash but one can’t avoid these
sick stories which permeate ad nauseam.
And, I don’t care if they get their name changed. There are guys who have what some would consider feminine names, and chicks who have what could be considered masculine names, they can call themselves King Leopold XVth for all I care, but unless they have a vagina in the case of women, and a penis in the case of men, whether or not they are actually functional, and only if they no longer have the equipment from their former gender, will I address them as such. They can’t have it both ways. If they want me to call them a woman or a man, then they have to put their money where their mouth is.
I wasn’t criticizing anyone specifically, Xalisae, I promise. :). It was really a very general statement, I think, that meant that I only wanted people to be less harsh, not specifically on this board and not specifically to this individual. I promise, I wasn’t attacking you. :). And you’re correct: it would be best if the media would just leave them alone. They don’t need to be forced to contend with cameras as though they are freaks.
You’re a biologist? Cool. What sort of life will you study?
Only the first portion of my first statement was intended for you, Vannah. I have just about no problem with the jist of your statements. :)
biology major, considering vet. medicine, but I’ve always been interested in cats, so if I do decide to diverge from my primary plan, I’d like to study leopards, or perhaps cheetahs, since the cheetah population is in desperate need of help because a widespread illness in their history killed off a good portion of them and has made them genetically weak due to limited breeding population (inbreeding/etc.). I’ve also thought about teaching high school biology. Kids need an intellectually honest instructor for a change. :P
HisMan: I think your last comment shows that we see this two entirely different ways. Of course God gives people problems. Why else do little kids get leukemia and people’s houses get hit by hurricanes?
Living your entire life with a feeling that you were born in the wrong body is not a sin. This isn’t about evil desire – this is about something people are born with, and something they can’t get rid of if they try. Physically and mentally, God does allow people to have various problems. Otherwise there would be no birth defects, mental retardation, or mental illness. Why do I have lifelong depression? I don’t think it’s because I sinned when I was a little kid.
In order to find any happiness with themselves, these people have to either change their brains or change their bodies. The brains don’t change.
God allows things to happen to us in this fallen world. Hurricanes, cancer, abortion.
The God I love does not GIVE me problems. I sometimes create my own.
Marauder: you are quite wrong about this. People with gender issues need counselling and therapy not self mutilation.
Once reproductive organs are removed they can never be replaced.
There are countless instances of teens who underwent transgender “therapy” in their teens and 20’s only to regret this “treatment” later.
I would say brains can change but a body mutilated cannot never be repaired.
Also I don’t think depression is a sin but it is quite possible that depression can result from sin. Our bodies are integrated with both emotional and spiritual aspects. I personally know a psychiatrist who is a Catholic who also prays over his clients (mostly Catholic) prior to therapy sessions. As he is also a deacon, they do discuss the spiritual condition of the patient as well. Often, once the spiritual aspects are dealt with, the patient usually does much better.
“…this family is full of love, the children will be raised with love and that’s all that matters.”
Posted by: kathleen h at June 10, 2009 10:11 PM
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kathleen h,
And you know this…… how?
Feminine intuition?
Reading tealeaves?
Consulting crystals?
Your goddess told you?
You heard it on ‘The View’.
The ‘Oprah’ [goddess] has decreed it so?
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‘Love’ would know better.
yor bro ken
Posted by: Vannah at June 11, 2009 12:09 AM
“what separates Thomas from any one of us? ”
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Thomas is not her real name unless it is shortened vesion of Thomasina. Her real name is Tracy.
Tracy wants to be and is in the process of having her genitalia altered to resemble a male.
Tracy is taking male hormones to make her appear male.
Tracy is ‘partnered’ with a female whom Tracy refers to as Tracy’s wife.
Tracey will never be a risk for prostate cancer because she is a female and females do not have a prostate.
Tracy has the chromosomes that identify her as a female and no amount of creative scalpelary will ever change that demonstrable and undeniable fact.
Even though she walks like duck, talks like a duck, looks like a duck, and professes to be a duck and claims to be ‘Daffy’, though she may in deed be daffy, Tracy ain’t no duck.
Those are just a few of the things that separate Tracey/daffy from most of her fellow human beings.
People who indulge Tracy/daffy in her fantasy only make fools of themselves.
yor bro ken
i could ask you the same question. resorting to attacks of what you think i believe/who you think i am doesn’t make you look any more knowledgeable.
I agree, ken.
Posted by: Vannah at June 11, 2009 1:28 AM
“They don’t need to be forced to contend with cameras as though they are freaks.”
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Tracy and Nancy are willing participants in this ‘freak’ show.
They invited the cameras into their delusion.
They released their medical and personal information and the willing media has reported their fantasy as fact.
The ones who were not consulted or able to consent are the two children who have unknowingly become props in this twisted side show.
Your ‘feelings’ are distorting reality.
Tracy can mutilate her body as much as she likes. That is her business. But she has no realistic expectation, no ‘right’, that her actions will be tolerated, accepted, approved, encouraged or blessed by other people.
(Does anyone know who is funding Tracy’s ‘gender re-assignment?)
We reserve the ‘right’ to think for ourselves and not be guilted into accepting someones elses politically correct version of the facts.
yor bro ken
Kathleen h,
You are the one who implied knowledge which you cannot possess:
“…this family is full of love, the children will be raised with love and that’s all that matters.”
That is you subjective view of these people and their circumstances.
Give us some factual basis. Some point of actual knowledge of these people to substantiate your ‘feelings’.
What are your bona fides?
yor bro ken
If they want me to call them a woman or a man, then they have to put their money where their mouth is.
Posted by: xalisae at June 11, 2009 1:02 AM
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In the case before us Tracy is investing her money where her uterus will have been and her penis will be.
Gender re-assignment is not inexpensive ‘elective surgery’.
Perhaps the ‘contending with cameras’ has a economic upside and is one reason Tracy has ‘chosen’ to be in the ‘news’.
yor bro ken
Most people see this as some freak show – and just like those usually presented at fairs, they find it entertaining and could care less about all the repercussions for the vulnerable and innocent. Hearts have been hardened and consciences seared and a very confused younger generation will probably become more suicidal than it already is. Years ago children were removed from such damaging situations.
Marauder:
You totally ignored the scripture I posted. God’s word is the final word on this. You not accepting His word is done at your own peril.
God does not tempt, i.e., does not give us problems. He allows them and then gives us the grace to get through them.
If I am born to alcoholic parents and my tendency is to become an alcoholic I don’t try to solve my problem by making alcoholism an acceptable lifestyle. Same goes with every other sinful behavior and lifestyle.
This women who bore a child and thinks she is a man is in total rebellion to her Maker. Her challenge is to accept herself as God made her, not to play God.
Kathleen h
From your silence may I conclude that you have no bona fides with regards to Tracy and Nancy and the two infants other than what you have devined from the available information?
OK, then make an logical argument supporting your assertion that:
“…this family is full of love, the children will be raised with love and that’s all that matters.”
using the limited circumstantial evidence provided by the posers masquerading as journalists.
yor bro ken
angel: I realize that there are some people who think they’re transgender due to other issues. However, if you’ve spent your entire life feeling like you’re in a body of the wrong gender, I don’t think that’s going to change. Although people aren’t sure what makes people transgender, there’s some evidence that it might have to do with various hormones they’re exposed to in the womb.
Some people spend years and years trying to change their brains about this and only end up miserable and suicidal. Sometimes they come to terms with their feelings and have a sex change and are able to live happy lives. Sex change surgery isn’t something to be undertaken lightly by any stretch, but for some people it’s the only way to be happy with their bodies.
HisMan: I read your posts, you read my posts, we’re obviously not going to see anywhere near eye to eye. How about I consider you to have warned me and we drop it? If I go to hell, I’ll try to put in a word for you with the Big Guy before I get sent down below. ;) *meant a little teasingly and not meanly or sarcastically*
Actually, Marauder, I have read where people with transgender issues are more unhappy after surgery. Dr. Richard Fitzgibbons has dealt with transgender disorder. You may want to read some of what he has written.