Live Action releases 1st in new Planned Parenthood disinformation investigative video series
This morning LiveAction.org released the 1st video in its new “Rosa Acuna Project” investigative series against Planned Parenthood. The focus of this exposé is PP’s disinformation tactics when “counseling” abortion vulnerable mothers about their pregnancies.
First, bear in mind, as per LA’s press release, “WI informed consent law requires that women receive medically accurate information before undergoing an abortion.” Whoops, this WI PP must have missed that memo….
The abortion industry fights tooth and nail against providing scripted, state approved informed consent information. Obviously, they prefer creative license, as we see in this video, taken at the Planned Parenthood in Appleton, WI.
In it the PP counselor responds to the question, “Does it have a heartbeat?” with, “Heart tones are at 7 weeks. Heart beat is when the fetus is active in the uterus – can survive – which is about 17 or 18 weeks.”
“Heart tones” vs “heartbeat” – that’s a new one.
Actually, heart “tones” refer to the sounds made when the heart beats. As a nurse I listened for fetal heart tones on the monitor or on ultrasound. Wikipedia is 1 of several sources explaining this:
The heart sounds are the noises (sound) generated by the beating heart and the resultant flow of blood through it. This is also called a heartbeat….
The first heart tone, or S1, forms the “lubb” of “lubb-dub”….
The second heart tone, or S2, forms the “dub” of “lubb-dub”….
Wiki in another spot:
The closing of the mitral and tricuspid valves… at the beginning of ventricular systole cause the first part of the “lub-dub” sound made by the heart as it beats. Formally, this sound is known as the First Heart Tone, or S1….
Here’s another source.
2nd, the PP counselor misinformed on when a baby’s heart begins beating, even as she called it a “heart tone.”
The Live Action video cited National Geographic as stating, “The heart begins beating at 3 weeks and 1 day following fertilization.” Plenty of sources corroborate the fetal heart begins beating at 21-22 days, like Dr. Spock or Answers.com. Even the PBS diagram of a 3-week-old preborn baby at right even shows the newly developed heart.
Clearly the PP counselor was trying to parse, but she even got her parsing wrong, somehow conniving the heart beating with mid-term fetal activity. But as my Human Anatomy and Physiology textbook states:
During the 4th week of development… By this time… the heart is beating and forcing blood through blood vessels….
So the heart even at this incredibly early stage of development is doing its job.
The PP counselor went on to spout pure gobbledygook. I have no idea what her point was, nor did she, I’m sure:
Heart tones is a cardiac activity, but it is not a beat on your own – that you would survive outside the uterus. Obviously if a fetus at 10 weeks could survive outside the uterus, you wouldn’t be pregnant for 40 weeks.
I also loved how the PP counselor and abortionist denied we were talking about aborting a baby here.
Great video. Perfect to intersect Abby Johnson’s revelations with actual demonstrable findings.
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
And given the timing with Nelson’s amendment being tabled, this should be even more relevant.
Notice the abortionist said he’s been doing abortions for 40 years?
Gotta wonder how many of those were pre-Roe illegal.
Gotta wonder how many of those were pre-Roe illegal.
Good catch, carder, I missed that.
And given the timing with Nelson’s amendment being tabled, this should be even more relevant.
Yes, and it should be relevant to other provisions in the bills. No doubt PP has been eyeing the funds for the teen pregnancy initiative and school-based health clinics. There’s nothing to hold the Secretary or newly-created bureaucracies accountable for approving grants despite this type of biased counseling. Political paybacks can be doled out at will.
I would love them to investigate the local Planned parenthood here in Lincoln and see if they also lie about fetal development.
I knew they lied. This video proves it.
And I also noticed the abortionist saying 40 years. How many pre Roe illegal……well, that’s probably at least 2 or 3 years.
Here are some images from Carnegie Stage 23, 56 – 60 days post-ovulation
http://embryo.soad.umich.edu/carnStages/stage23/stage23.html
(I tried to post a couple of the images here, but couldn’t get the code to work)
“Most embryos at stage 23 are approximately 56-57 postovulatory days old and measure 23-32 mm in length. Distinguishing criteria for this stage include fusion of the eyelids at the medial and lateral margins, clear distinction of the subdivisions of the upper and lower limbs, the forearms appear at or above the level of the shoulders, the superficial vascular plexus of the head is very close to the vertex, and the external genitalia are well developed but not always sufficiently to distinguish the embryo’s sex.”
More from Carnegie Stage 23:
Head and Neck
Head is erect and rounded. External ear is completely developed. The eyes are closed, but the retina of the eye is fully pigmented. The eyelids begin to unite and are only half closed. Taste buds begin to form on the surface of the tongue. The primary teeth are at cap stage. Bones of the palate begin to fuse. Scalp plexus reaches head vertex.
Abdomen
Intestines begin to migrate from the umbilical cord into the body cavity.
Pelvis
External genitals still difficult to recognize.
Limbs
Upper and lower limbs are well formed. Fingers get longer and toes no longer webbed and all digits are separate and distinct.
Spine, Skeleton, and Muscles
Layer of rather flattened cells, the precursor of the surface layer of the skin, replaces the thin ectoderm of the embryo. Tail has disappeared.
http://www.visembryo.com/baby/23.html
Now on when the Heart Begins to Beat –
“Heart – begins to beat in Humans by day 22-23, first functioning embryonic organ formed.” – http://embryology.med.unsw.edu.au/Notes/week4.htm
“Embryonic Heart Rate (EHR), early in development the heart starts to spontaneously beat” – http://embryology.med.unsw.edu.au/Notes/heart6.htm
This scientific information contrasts to the misinformation Planned Parenthood employees gave.
Also, the counselor was confusing the heart formation and first heart rythms with viability, two very different developmental topics. I’d say this so-called counselor needs some education in embryonic and prenatal development!
“Heart tones is a cardiac activity, but it is not a beat on your own – that you would survive outside the uterus. Obviously if a fetus at 10 weeks could survive outside the uterus, you wouldn’t be pregnant for 40 weeks.”
I also loved how the PP counselor and abortionist denied we were talking about aborting a baby here.
-I’m unclear as to where in this dialogue Jill is referring to that the counselor denies that the patient is pregnant or that they are talking about an abortion.
I knew someone who was told these lines almost as this young lady. She even asked to see the ultrasound. The trick there is they used a very low resolution machine that made development, to the average person, hard to see. I showed her the real high resolution pic of an 10-weeker. She was shocked. She said, “That is not what I saw. What I saw did not have a heartbeat or movement. It look like a blob of tissue.” She was stunned. She stated they told her it was a blob and not a baby at all.
It is so sad that PP uses the lack of a woman’s knowledge of baby’s development to their advantage. If they truly cared for women, they would point out the stage of development. They would ensure she knew full well what was happening in her body.
Then she would know the truth, kmann and decide NOT to abort and she would be $$$$ walking out the door.
They lie. The abortion industry is based on lies.
So glad Lila was in WI! Go, girl!
PP is not even on the same page when a baby is a baby. The counselor said at birth. The abortionist said at 7 or 8 months I believe.
They can’t even keep the lies straight.
I don’t like abortionist Pigs, and I especially don’t like them since the releace of this video! Mrs. Rose needs to investagate James Pendergrafts five clinic’s, and see what she comes up with. RJ
Danielle, the operative word is “baby.” They were denying that she was aborting a baby. That’s what a fetus and embryo are, a developing baby.
Notice how the clinic employee said that the fetus became a baby at birth, the doctor at seven months or so? Since they don’t even say the same thing, their opinions are obviously petty subjective, and not very scientific, wouldn’t you say?
“The word fetus is from the Latin fetus, meaning offspring, bringing forth, hatching of young.”
-Wiki
It’s a baby, for heaven’s sake!!
..and..as the shirt says…”If it’s not a baby, you’re not pregnant”
What courage it takes to go into that spiritual darkness!! The “doctor’s” voice made my skin crawl.
Carla,
Me too. The doctor twirled his thumbs and the counselor flicked her pen nervously the whole time the doctor was talking. The counselor’s voice went to a higher pitch when asked about getting answers from the doctor. The tension was really palpable. How could these abortion workers do this day to day without destroying their mental health? This video was very well done. I can’t wait to see the next one.
hmmm…since Abortion is “safer” than giving birth..maybe Lila and her group can ask about the psychological effects of abortion from the abortionists point of view…
I’m just dying to know what PP’s answer would be…
Yeah, Carla…their comfort level when lying about the preborn gives me the creeps…
Here is my analysis of the video. I’m sorry for borrowing some of your ideas above. We’re all working for the same cause and I won’t personally benefit from this. I hope you don’t mind.
This segment is on a hot-off-the-press-today video by Live Action Films, showing Planned Parenthood counselors deceiving a woman who is posing as an abortion seeker. This is just the newest of the many videos Live Action has made exposing PP, including its acceptance of donation monies specifically for the purpose of aborting black babies so that there would be less blacks to compete with the donor’s son for college through affirmative action, and many many cases of covering up statutory rape. Planned Parenthood clinics all over the country have been exposed for racism, cover-ups, and now lying and manipulating information to patients. My gut tells me this won’t be the last video of this kind to be released in the near future. My guess is they uncovered other clinics too before releasing this video.
(Abby Johnson is the former PP Clinic Director who recently stepped down and became pro-life because she saw how PP was promoting abortion as a sort of product to sell to increase income.)
This is a prime example of what I would like to call “manipulative counseling.”
Here’s a breakdown:
“Heart tones”??? That’s the sound the heart makes when it BEATS. Like lub-dub lub-dub. That’s the first and second heart tones. Made from a HEART BEAT. Heart tones but not a heart beat? Lunacy. The counselor claims that these “heart TONES” begin at 7 weeks. Ummmm, no. “Heart begins to beat in Humans by day 22-23, first functioning embryonic organ formed.” http://embryology.med.unsw.edu.au/Notes/week4.htm She then arbitrarily claims that it is only considered a “heart beat” when the fetus is active in the uterus, or when it can survive. Does that sound like a medically accurate definition to you? “Heart tones is a cardiac activity, but it is not a beat on your own—that you would survive outside the uterus.” What? Pretty sure that heart is beating on its own. The mother is not directing that heart beat. It is an automatic process. And there are many reasons a 10 week old fetus wouldn’t survive outside the uterus, but that doesn’t mean the heart isn’t beating. Lies.
Next, notice how the term “baby” is painstakingly avoided because it risks causing motherly affection and bonding with her offspring, thus decreasing the chances of ‘making the sale.’ So they want to define “baby” as post-birth. Fine. But the unborn is still the mother’s offspring, or child—a human being, whatever you decide to call it. However, just as proof for how arbitrary the term “baby” is, the abortionist defines it at 6-7 months “or so.” So really, “baby” is just a term we use for a young human being we care for. It’s a matter of semantics more than science and these people heavily regulate their semantics to raise the probability of the woman going through with the abortion, as we shall see.
The counselor calls the fetus “the pregnancy,” as does the abortionist: “the pregnancy is going to be removed.” That is an awkward way to phrase it, and it doesn’t even make much sense to say “the PREGNANCY is going to be removed.” But these are the semantics they play to try and get the results they want; namely, an avoided motherly attachment and a completed abortion. Next, did you notice how the abortionist caught himself right before saying “baby”? “The fetus is the develop—” …–ing baby? No, can’t say that. Better call the fetus “the embryo that’s developing inside,” which doesn’t even make sense. Is it really accurate to say an adult is an adolescent that’s developing? No. Then how can a fetus be an embryo that’s developing? Those are two different stages of development. Next, “embryo” is defined as “the pregnancy” and “something growing inside you.” The abortionist couldn’t bring himself to elaborate. He might accidentally tell the truth that it is an immature HUMAN BEING. I have spoken with abortion practitioners. They know that it is.
Finally the abortionist attempts to scare the young woman from proceeding to birth by implying that birth is very unsafe and that she could die from carrying to term. He doesn’t back it up with any numbers, which would put his claim in the proper context, namely that these situations are RARE: about 13 per 100,000. Shameless. Now that’s “manipulative counseling.”
If you interpret the video differently, I will put this on our group’s website and you can sound off. More Live Action Films at http://liveaction.org/.
RSD,
They assume that the effects of abortion on women are minimal as 7-9 years later when denial usually wears thin THE LAST THING we want to do is call the abortionist for help.
Risks? What risks? Women don’t ever come back to me and complain!!
I don’t think I even made it back for my 6 week check up. Couldn’t do it.
Danielle, the operative word is “baby.” They were denying that she was aborting a baby. That’s what a fetus and embryo are, a developing baby.
Posted by: Lori Pieper at December 9, 2009 1:36 PM
-OK. Then if we agree that fetus and embryo = developing baby, then developing baby = fetus and embryo. Baby is a more emotional term while fetus/embryo is a more medically used term. It’s not incorrect to use any of the above, but can certainly be manipulative, on either side. There unfortunately is no semantic that will satisfy, of course. But to assert that someone is “incorrect” to use the term fetus in describing a pregnancy is, well…incorrect. Could very easily acknowledge that it’s appropriate to use the term ‘fetus/embryo’ in a medical setting, which this is.
PP has been known to move the ultrasound wand to the ovaries when the patient asks to see. They wouldn’t dare show the mother the ultrasound of her active, developed child with the heart clearly beating in the chest. This happened to one of my friends but she didn’t understand what PP had done until years later when pregnant with a child she kept. When she finally had ultrasounds with her doctor she understood how PP had manipulated the ultrasound procedure to intentionally withhold information from her.
Danielle,
Don’t put words in my mouth. I never said it was “incorrect” to call a baby in the womb an embryo or a fetus. It is, however, on the definition you yourself accept, wrong to deny when asked, that what is in the womb is a baby. It is worse to lie about at what point it is a baby, which the two PP personnel couldn’t even agree on. If the scientific answer, as you agree, is that it is indeed a baby all the way through pregnancy, then they shouldn’t have lied about it.
And it was wrong for PP staff to intentially misinform or withhold information from the woman about fetal development or information on what is going on in her own body, in order to suite their own ideological prferences. In fact, what they’re doing here is just as problematic as what they accuse crisis pregnancy centers of doing.
Don’t put words in my mouth. I never said it was “incorrect” to call a baby in the womb an embryo or a fetus. It is, however, on the definition you yourself accept, wrong to deny when asked, that what is in the womb is a baby. It is worse to lie about at what point it is a baby, which the two PP personnel couldn’t even agree on. If the scientific answer, as you agree, is that it is indeed a baby all the way through pregnancy, then they shouldn’t have lied about it.
Posted by: Lori Pieper at December 9, 2009 2:58 PM
-Let’s agree to not put words in anyone’s mouth. Work better?
The answer is the terms are interchangeable. The answer is, it’s all of the above. But the context and tonality can impact and manipulate the direction of the discussion, either way. Either term holds more or less weight, depending on who you are talking to. A fetus is a fetus is a fetus. Black and white – no grey. A baby is a baby. Is a fetus a baby? Yes. Is a baby a fetus? Yes, before its born. Is a baby before its born the same thing as a fetus? By medical definition – yes. Psychologically, emotionally – no. Grey.
Obviously we know personhood is a major differential between PC/PL points of view. Which, in turn, goes a long way in clarifying why one person will assert someone is lying if they don’t use the word ‘baby’ and another one wouldn’t. How one could be accused of emotional manipulation by using it, or not using it.
In fact, what they’re doing here is just as problematic as what they accuse crisis pregnancy centers of doing.
Posted by: Rachael C. at December 9, 2009 3:27 PM
Agreed. Both sides are culpable in the emotional manipulation of women to further the agenda of all parties involved. Patient included.
Danielle,
Let’s see. Is a black slave a human being? Yes. A person? Yes. But to use these words to a slaveholder t stop when he’s about to whip a slave would sure be “emotionally manipulative, wouldn’t they?
Well I say, GO FOR IT!
Scientific truths about a developing fetus are emotionally laden. But if they are also FACTS, they should be stated, especially when the mother specifically asks about them.
And the abortions providers are not only using emotionally laden language when they call it a “pregnancy” they are deliberately lying to conceal the presence of the baby. That is the truth.
And medical professionals have an ethical and legal obligation to provide complete and accurate information to the woman about her pregnancy and what is going on in her body, not just what suits their own agenda, which is what PP is doing here. And if the employee in question does not know how to answer a patient’s question, then they should consult with their supervisor or another knowledgeable staff in order to give the patient an accurate and complete answer, instead of providing misinformation, which this employee did. The information given by the PP “counselor” is an indicator that Planned Parenthood does not take the time to properly train their “counseling” staff on basic biology and pregnancy.
In fact, it wouldn’t surprise me if PP “counselors” are not actually individuals with higher education degress in social work or counseling, but lower-level medical techs or pro-choice activists with several hours of training by the clinic. In fact, a search of CareerBuilder.com for Planned Parenthood jobs brought up a number of opening for “Clinic Assistant” and “Medical Assistant”. Here are the job descriptions and educational requirements for both:
Primary Job Responsibilities for the Clinic Assistant include:
-Scheduling appointments
-Office reception
-Telephone triage
–Provide education to patients regarding contraceptive options, STI’s, clinical procedures and options counseling.
–Perform technical clinic functions such as blood pressures, venipuncture, lab work, and medical charting.
-Performing basic office functions such as filing, stocking supplies, and routine insurance data entry.
Requirements for the Clinic Assistant:
High school diploma or equivalent, with advanced training in medical technology, human services or related field preferred.
Primary Job Responsibilities for Medical Assistant:
–Provide direct patient care including intake, vital signs, education, counseling, and referral information testing.
-Perform venipuncture (phlebotomy); handle and prepare specimens, and clean and sterilize equipment.
-Maintains exam room and laboratory according to PPHP infection-control program including cleaning, sterilizing and organizing equipment and rooms.
-Prepare exam rooms and laboratory for use prior to patient visits.
-Must known and follow OSHA control plan and Department of Health guidelines.
-Maintain all patient charts and logs in compliance with HIPAA guidelines, confidentiality and security protocols.
-Maintain charts and documents in alphabetical order.
-Perform daily, weekly, and monthly laboratory tasks as assigned and described in tasks lists.
-Perform all office functions including checks in/out, patient registration and billing, scheduling, and insurance verification/certification/processing via computerized clinic management system.
-Receive and handle cash, check, and credit card payments for services. Verify and document commercial and Medical eligibility of clients.
Requirements:
–High School Diploma or GED.
–One year of vocational training in the medical field or the equivalent combination or education and experience from which comparable knowledge and abilities can be acquired.
–Certified Medical Assistant preferred.
In fact, neither of these qualifications necessarily provides the needed advanced training in sociology nor pyschology to prepare staff to be able to adequitely counsel and address the many complex pyscho-sociological issues seen in many of the population PP serves.
And the abortions providers are not only using emotionally laden language when they call it a “pregnancy” they are deliberately lying to conceal the presence of the baby. That is the truth.
Posted by: Lori Pieper at December 9, 2009 3:58 PM
-That’s actually the opposite of what’s happening – they’re using the most UN-emotional language possible (fetus, cells, procedure, patient). That in and of itself can be viewed as manipulative, in the same way that primarily using emotional language can be just as manipulative (baby, womb, killing, mother).
Subjective, semantics, grey, agenda. Placate or incite, diffuse or plant seeds. Whatever you want to call it. All parties, all sides.
In fact, neither of these qualifications necessarily provides the needed advanced training in sociology nor pyschology to prepare staff to be able to adequitely counsel and address the many complex pyscho-sociological issues seen in many of the population PP serves.
Posted by: Rachael C. at December 9, 2009 4:14 PM
Just for some contrast, I looked up the role and responsibilities of those who would be interacting with pregnant women in search of guidance and education at Birthright, a well known CPC:
“Birthright accepts volunteers of any race, sex, or creed. All volunteers must believe firmly in the Birthright philosophy and have a sincere desire to help pregnant women– without expecting any reward or admiration in return. Birthright chapters generally use a flexible training program, usually 6-8 weeks long, in which new volunteers read and learn about Birthright and its Charter, then “partner” with an experienced volunteer to develop their practical skills. Volunteers grow into their roles at their own pace, and all volunteers continue to develop their knowledge and skills in the months and years ahead. Birthright volunteers strive to develop their skills constantly. This means reviewing training materials regularly, reading new material that comes into the office, attending volunteer meetings/training sessions. Providing emotional support and practical assistance to women is always the first priority of Birthright volunteers. After completing a training program, volunteers are assigned a regular shift at the Birthright office– usually 3-4 hours a week– that suits the volunteers’ schedule and to which they can commit for a period of time. Volunteers handle a variety of phone calls, especially those from girls and women who are distressed about being pregnant. They also welcome and assist women who come in for free pregnancy testing, or who wish to talk about a variety of pregnancy-related concerns. Some volunteers help in other ways, such as sorting and distributing maternity and baby clothes, cleaning the office, or performing clerical work. Experienced volunteers often make presentations to school and community groups about Birthright and its services.”
Sounds to me like patient support, practical assistance and education is at the volunteer level, guided by training manuals and other staff.
Also missing any mandates for qualifications that provide the “needed advanced training in sociology/psychology to prepare staff to be able to adequitely counsel and address complex pyscho-sociological issues” involved in crisis pregnancies.
Danielle, we’re talking about PP, a medical professional organization here. Again, medical professionals have an ethical and legal obligation to provide complete and accurate information to the woman about her pregnancy and what is going on in her body. To bring up CPCs is a red herring and we’ere comparing apples and oranges. Most CPCs are not medical clinics, but should be primarily considered social service organizations (and those which are medical clinics have medical staff with RNs and MDs), and many if not most community-based social service organizations are run and staffed by volunteers. Most of the accusations leveled against CPCs are false and unsubstantiated accusations.
What part of WI Informed Consent law are we not understanding?? Obviously PP is above that law.
What law is being broken by a PRC??
Yes, of course. No room to critique the home team. I should’ve remembered.
If we’re talking about organizations dealing in the delicate nature of crisis pregnancies, involving information seeking women in (or not in) distress, which could include questions/guidance on medical procedures and outcomes, ultrasound analysis, fetal development and physical or mental health, it would seem we would want those professionals dealing with said individual to be at parity with each other, experience wise.
Can’t discuss one without the other IMO. But, if we don’t want to do it, we don’t have to. Point’s been made, anyway.
Danielle, which CPC carries out invasive procedures such as abortion? PP does…
The point being made is that Planned Parenthood is notorious for lying to abortion vulnerable women. Many of these women don’t realize their child has a heart beat very early on (before they know they are pregnant). Or that their unborn child resembles a tiny human being by 11-12 weeks. All that is needed is time to grow.
We have BABY showers for friends/family members who are pregnant. We don’t have FETUS showers.
I am pretty sure that most CPC that have ultrasound machines also have ultrasound technicians. They just don’t use people off the street. And its a well known fact that women who see their child on the ultrasound screen are less likely to abort.
Danielle, which CPC carries out invasive procedures such as abortion? PP does…
Posted by: segamon at December 9, 2009 5:56 PM
Not clear on your point. Since CPCs don’t offer invasive medical procedures they should not be required to provide experts/professionals that can accurately answer pregnant womens’ medically related questions? Take abortion off the table and look at simple sexual health questions. I’m sure CPCs are faced with this too. Should the information not be as sound as if they went somewhere else? If not then why offer it as a service?
Both PP and CPC are faced with these women who often have the same questions. We’re debating if both centers are equipped to provide sound advisement based on the educational background of the staff. Above poster suggested that the experience requested of a PP staffer may not be up to par to handle such a sensitive discussion; but the same conversation would be legit at a CPC, who may staff volunteers to hold these type of conversations. Ok. Hold the mirror up…against you and to you. Can’t see the point is holding a discussion if we can’t start from honesty.
Off to dinner now, but will check back later. Thanks for the discussion.
Well I have volunteered with Birthright so I will tell you Danielle. First, we are there to offer guidance to the woman…be an ear to listen to her and a shoulder for support. We have relationships with pro-life doctors in the area who then provide medical care and ultrasounds. We do not do ultrasounds in the Birthright office. We do have a large room filled with maternity clothes, baby clothes, and all sorts of baby items and also diapers and formula. We give these to the mother free of charge. Whatever she needs we give her or find someone who can give it to her. We do whatever we need to to support the mother so that she can give birth to her child. The only “medical” thing we do is pregnancy tests and how hard is that. I’m pretty sure most women could do that.
We also find her free prenatal care, we also help with whatever social situations she is in. If she needs a place to live we find a home for her, if she needs a job we help her find a job. We come up with life plans for the mother so that she can parent her child successfully and provide for her child. But we are always there if she needs help. Just the other day an older mother who had given birth to twin girls (after contemplating abortion–and they were born early) needed special expensive formula and we gave it to her.
We are social workers, if you will. And since everything is voluntary and funded by donations, not tax dollars, no one who supports abortion need fear us. We are not after others hard-earned money against their will. We are just there to give women a real choice. Why should a woman have to abort just because no one will help her?
Why should a woman have to abort just because no one will help her?
Posted by: Sydney M. at December 9, 2009 10:34 PM
-She shouldn’t.
“-That’s actually the opposite of what’s happening – they’re using the most UN-emotional language possible (fetus, cells, procedure, patient). That in and of itself can be viewed as manipulative, in the same way that primarily using emotional language can be just as manipulative (baby, womb, killing, mother).”
Danielle, I noticed that apart from all this, you completely ducked my main point, which is: since the girl in the video asked the direct question “is what’s inside of me a baby,” is it honest and accurate to reply “No”?
Not to mention all the lies and obfuscations about when the heart starts beating, which are simply not accurate.
It doesn’t take a great deal of education to understand the basics of prenatal growth and development. Crisis pregnancy center volunteers have at least that much. And they will not lie like the PP volunteers in this video.
It doesn’t matter how much education and what medical degree you have if you’re going to lie about basic facts.
If we assume the abortionist told the truth about doing abortions for forty years, we still cannot assume that it was illegal activity. Many states began loosening their abortion laws in the 1960’s. In 1965, the state of being pregnant was redefined from at “conception”, to at “implantation”, allowing ten days to cause an abortion with The Pill or other abortifacient without calling it an abortion. Additionally by 1970, there were four states that essentially allowed abortion on demand.
The following is a small sampling of women who have died from LEGAL abortion. (Evidence accumulated by LIFE DYNAMICS): Maria Ortega: NY ’70, LaSandra Russ: CA ’71, Erika Peterson: CA ’61, Elva Lozada: CA ’64, Stella Saenz: CA ’68, Carole Schaner: NY ’71, Margaret Smith: NY ’71, Cheryl Bosseler CA ’69, Cassandra Bleavins: CA ’71, Twila Coulter: CA ’72, Margaret Davis: CA ’72, Denise Holmes: CA ’70, Gwendolyn Drummer: CA ’72, Jent Foster: CA ’71, Doris Grant: CA ’71, Betty Hines: CA ’71, Sara Lint: CA ’70, Sharon Margrave: CA ’70, Natalie Meyers: CA ’72, Kathryn Morse: CA ’72, Kathryn Strong: CA ’72.
The number of deaths continued to climb when abortion became legal throughout the entire U.S. in 1973. Abortion is dangerous for the baby, AND for the woman, even if she doesn’t die. Some have severe psychological problems as a result of abortion, develop massive infection, become sterile, obtain a perforated uterus and/or perforated bowels, or other serious complications. It’s terrible to do this to a woman. How despicable is it to sell a minor child a dangerous operation, based on lies, taking advantage of her vulnerability when separated from her parents?
Planned Parenthood has been caught RED HANDED covering up statutory rape in states which have laws making them mandatory reporters. Planned Parenthood has been caught RED HANDED accepting racially motivated donations targeting black babies for death. Planned Parenthood has been caught RED HANDED lying about the existence of a heart beat in a state that has a woman’s right to know law, or informed consent.
Planned Parenthood makes a LARGE profit from selling abortions and clearly they are victimizing our youth by educating them to be sexually active at a young age and then selling the children abortions with misinformation and lies. Now I have to ask myself, why would anyone ignore these violations of the law or try desperately to change the subject when it is exposed?