Video: Mom brings “kid” along for abortion
Last week I posted on a new pro-life tactic at the EMW Women’s Surgical Center abortion mill in St. Louis of wearing vests similar to those of deathscorts when trying to reach mothers going into clinics to abort.
The same pro-abort who documented that with photos and video shot new video January 9 that I found both fascinating and disturbing.
It is disturbing 1st because obviously we’re witnessing a mom on her way to kill her baby. 2nd, this particular mom, along with a significant other, brought a (born) child along, which should be considered child abuse or something. The deathscort 1st slips and rudely calls the little girl “kid” before recovering to the more courteous “child.” She suggests the abortion mill might not be a good place for the little girl. She should know. But then she offers for one of the deathscorts to watch her? Puke.
Oh, well, I know the deathscort didn’t shoot the video for me to scrutinize her. She shot it for us to scrutinize the pro-lifers. But I found them respectful, caring, and even angelic… a chorus of soft voices calling on the mom not to do it. We don’t know if she did, but either way I doubt she’ll ever be able to get those voices out of her head.
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I am so touched by the kind voices of those trying to save not only the child about to be slaughterd but the mother from this self-injurous act. The money hungry abortionist deathscort is a horror the little girl will remember, forever burned into her unconsciousness. I will pray for them.
I have seen signs in the abortion mills that say No Children Allowed. You can say that again.
I wouldn’t say that it’s child abuse to take a child along to an abortion clinic, but rather that it’s not an approppriate place for a child. There are not usually child care services and a child would likely become bored and take into consideration that seeing a child (especially a young one) may be upsetting to other women there.
What’s so horrible about calling a kid a kid? It is just as bad as calling a fetus a fetus? You people are hilarious.
I have seen signs in the abortion mills that say No Children Allowed. You can say that again.
Posted by: Maria at January 12, 2010 1:58 PM
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The sign should have read:
No Children Allowed – Except The Ones You Hire Us To Kill
Prochoicegal–its the WAY she says kid. If someone called my son “kid” in that demeaning disgusted tone of voice then it would be offensive.
I wonder if this child will grow up and have memories of the day mom killed his/her sibling.
I can’t understand why a mom wouldn’t take up the pro-lifers offer of help. If she met with them and still felt that she had to abort wouldn’t that still show that she TRIED? As a mom, I would exhaust every resource available to fight for my child.
And once you have carried a child, I cannot fathom how you could turn around and abort your second child.
That Grantham collection that shows videos of abortions has an abortion of a black baby being ripped apart. It is horrible to watch and my heart beats a mile a minute as I watched it but this is the TRUTH of what is going on! Do these moms even have any idea of the agony their baby will suffer during the abortion? Do they care? Are they that cold-hearted? If they are just desperate and not cold-hearted then why don’t they at least EXPLORE an offer of help? I cannot comprehend the callousness of these families that deny life to their youngest members.
How do you even know what she was there for? I know several women (including my mom) who had to have abortion procedures on non-viable fetuses. Fetuses with no heartbeat. Fetuses that could cause serious complications if a D&C wasn’t performed. Do the Life Escorts ever consider that before they start harassing the woman?
Prochoicegal–its the WAY she says kid. If someone called my son “kid” in that demeaning disgusted tone of voice then it would be offensive.
Posted by: Sydney M at January 12, 2010 2:13 PM
-Projecting. I watched the same thing you did and heard no such tone of ‘demeaning disgust’.
Also, I hope the takeaway from this video is dispelling the myth that women who choose abortion only fall into one of a few convenient archetypes (rape victim, lost teen, promiscuous, hates children). Many women who choose abortion are already mothers of school age children (if not older in some cases) making a personal decision for them and their family.
Agree that its not optimal to have a young one sitting for hours in a waiting room, but I’ve seen it done. If there’s no one to watch your child, then there’s no one to watch your child. You do what you have to do.
How do you KNOW the man was standing on the bridge to commit suicide? maybe he was just taking in the view before you life-lovers started harassing him!
My friends who had to have D&C’s after miscarriage had them performed in a HOSPITAL Ashley which is where most women would go for surgery on their reproductive parts if they weren’t desperate to kill their unborn children in the first place.
How do you even know what she was there for?
Posted by: Ashley at January 12, 2010 2:39 PM
-Good point.
Ashley,
Would you consider a D&C a serious complication from the unborn child’s (the victim’s) point of view?
What if the preborn child is viable?
Sydney,
I know it is hard to understand. It just is. Hard to comprehend that a mother after already carrying a child and giving birth would abort a different child. Mothers are being deceived. They are believing the lies of the abortion industry. That it is not a baby. It’s a bunch of cells. That abortion is a quick, easy fix and will solve all of their problems. Abortion promises that you can get on with your life, but it never delivers on that promise.
Pray for them. They know not what they are doing.
“I like your hat” the pro-deather says to the little girl. “Hey we’re gonna kill your little brother or sister but I like you’re hat!” UGH…what a bunch of cruel monsters.
I meant “your” hat…sorry for the typos.
“Also, I hope the takeaway from this video is dispelling the myth that women who choose abortion only fall into one of a few convenient archetypes.”
Yes, they tend to split women into two groups: baby-hating sluts who have abortions and virtuous women girls who give birth. In fact, a lot of women have had both. That’s why those bumper stickers that say “Smile! Your mom was pro-life!” are ridiculous. By age 40, 80 percent of women have given birth, and 33 percent have had an abortion.
“Ashley,
Would you consider a D&C a serious complication from the unborn child’s (the victim’s) point of view?
What if the preborn child is viable?”
You mean the DEAD “preborn child”? Because that’s what I was talking about in this case.
In my mom’s case, the 10-week fetus was technically alive and had a heartbeat, but was severely deformed and had stopped developing. The doctor gave her a 100% chance of miscarriage. So, instead of waiting for a potentially dangerous “natural” miscarriage (which can cause profuse bleeding), she requested a D&C.
If that ever happens to me, I don’t give a rat’s behind about the non-viable “preborn child’s point of view.” (Fetuses don’t have a point of view, not having developed brains and all.) I want a safe D&C, not a possibly dangerous miscarriage.
Baby hating sluts?
Women girls who give birth?
Those are the two convenient archetypes of women who choose abortion, Ashley? Please explain.
Where did you get your numbers? Cite a source please.
This is just plain sad.
Nowhere near 33% have had an abortion by age 40.
There have been about 50 million abortions and there are 150 million women in America. However half of all abortions are on women who have already had one. So the absolute highest possible number is about 17% of all women. Since blacks and hispanics have disproportionally higher rates, the white rate is not more than about 10%.
Don’t you remember the undercover caller to PP who wanted to make sure his donation would kill a black baby? Little Miss. PP Director told him how she, “understood completely”.
Yes, reading a lot of pro-life writing, you find that they tend to divide women into two groups: the heartless baby-killing hussies and the good girls who “choose life.” But a lot of women have had both an abortion and a live birth.
http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/uslifetimeab.html
40 percent of women between 40 and 55 have had an abortion, and…
http://www.infoplease.com/spot/womencensus1.html
80 percent of women age 40-44 have at least one child.
Ashley, most doctors recommend a natrual miscarriage unless something has happened to prevent the miscarriage from naturally occuring.
The reason is that a D&C involves artificially dilating the cervix and scraping the uterus, both of which can cause complications in later pregnancies.
Even if a D&C was determined to be the best course of action, a doctor would never send a woman to an abortion clinic to have the procedure performed. He would want to be in control of the procedure and recovery to make sure his patient received quality care.
No, a woman walking into an abortion clinic is not there because of medical indication. She’s there by choice.
“40 percent of women between 40 and 55 have had an abortion, and…”
That number is simply not possible. However pro aborts figure their audience didn’t pass math class and aren’t going to look up the data and analyze. However, the data exist which is how you can figure out that these numbers are bogus.
should the mom had just left the kid in the car?
i mean, seriously. there’s waiting room. why do you have to act getting an abortion is some satanic thing. and god forbid anyone come to support them.
at least try to act intelligent when talking.
If you’ve never had a miscarriage, Ashley, how do YOU know how ‘dangerous’ they are, or how ‘profusely’ you will bleed? You don’t. As usual, you just make things up to make a point. I’ve had THREE miscarriages. Some of the other women who post here have had one or more also. We’re still HERE, Ashley. “Natural” miscarriages (as you call them) are nowhere NEAR as dangerous as abortion. You should be ashamed to constantly use your mother to justify your ‘pro-death’ attitude.
No, KK, the woman should not have brought her child with her for the abortion to begin with. The pro-lifers outside the clinic would gladly have helped her with any needs she had. Housing, medical costs, clothing, education, child care…you name it, a pro-lifer will help a woman get it.
As an aside, abortion is satanic. A mother pays someone to kill her child. If that’s not of the devil, I don’t know what is.
should the mom had just left the kid in the car?
i mean, seriously. there’s waiting room. why do you have to act getting an abortion is some satanic thing. and god forbid anyone come to support them.
at least try to act intelligent when talking.
Posted by: kk at January 12, 2010 3:18 PM
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Ironic post, KK. Do some proof-reading before you post.
Ashley, You have personally offended me! Nonvible fedus? I wasn’t even suposed to be alive! Revolting! RJ
I don’t think I have ever used the word “hussie” in my life. Well, except for just now.
Baby hating sluts?
Baby killing hussies?
WHO talks like that, Ashley?? Name one person on this blog who talks like that.
Hippie,
The numbers never seem to add up do they?
Ironic post, KK. Do some proof-reading before you post.
oh please, tell what i did wrong. i’m so ready to listen…zzzz.
“Ashley, You have personally offended me! Nonvible fedus? I wasn’t even suposed to be alive!”
Well, it’s too bad your offended by something that’s a fact of life and happens to a lot of women.
http://miscarriage.about.com/b/2008/06/04/viable-or-nonviable-pregnancy-what-it-means.htm
No, KK, the woman should not have brought her child with her for the abortion to begin with. The pro-lifers outside the clinic would gladly have helped her with any needs she had. Housing, medical costs, clothing, education, child care…you name it, a pro-lifer will help a woman get it.
As an aside, abortion is satanic. A mother pays someone to kill her child. If that’s not of the devil, I don’t know what is
does no one realize that that thing still has to stay inside of a women for nine freaking months.
money, housing, medical costs would not persuade me to keep it in me..
Yes, KK we all know about the miracle of life and how long it takes a baby to grow inside of a mother’s womb before birth. We also know about the evil of abortion. It is why we are here.
Carla, I remember going out to eat last year and there was an Obama for prez commercial on the big screen at the eatery. He said calmly and confidently that his health plan would lower insurance premiums. Obviously there is no way to insure more people for less money. Duh. Some people just want to believe it, so they do. There are no actuaries that believe it because they run the numbers. It is right there in black and white. Lots of people think they are reasonable because some college was willing to take their money and give them a piece of paper, but they can’t analyze data and that is a big handicap when you try to understand trends.
KK says “does no one realize that that thing still has to stay inside of a women for nine freaking months.”
“That thing” is a human being, created by the actions of his parents. 9 months is a small sacrifice to avoid killing the child you created.
does no one realize that that thing still has to stay inside of a women for nine freaking months.
money, housing, medical costs would not persuade me to keep it in me..
Posted by: kk at January 12, 2010 3:46 PM
Note the lack of warmth and concern.
This comment illustrates why trend watchers (mostly atheists) note that the future belongs to the religious. Those that love life will outnumber the killers. Currently 55% of all children live in homes where there are 3 or more children total. I predict pro life numbers will rise. Women who have ever had an abortion have fewer total children on average than women who have never had an abortion. So while a slight majority of the last generation might have been pro abortion, most of the next generation won’t be.
I agree that a woman who had had a miscarriage and was having the deceased fetus taken out would be at a hospital.
There was no way this child should have been at an abortion clinic. Did the mother not have any relatives, neighbors, friends, or previously-hired babysitters to watch her?
“…that thing…”
Huh. You know what I’ve been noticing, Carla?
All these so-called post-abortive women (and they may well be) who have come to this site of late to defend their actions (why? I really don’t know, since we are all apparently cold-hearted morons and would never understand anyway, so why bother?)…well, they seem to really HATE men.
Every time men are brought up, it’s like two sides of a coin: One face says “my boyfriend didn’t feel ready to be a father so he supported my decision” and the other says “Men, men, men! They’re evil and paternalistic and think they can force their societal views on meeee, UGH!!!”
And now, “that thing” to refer to the growing child inside the mother’s womb.
There’s a real disgust coming from them. They hate traditional families, they hate those unborn “things” and they hate us “fetus people” because we happen to believe that innocent humans should have a right to continue living and not be sacrificed on the altar of “me, myself, and I.” The dehumanizing language is really bothering me today. You want to talk “satanic?” That’s it, right there.
kk, I carried three of those “things” for “nine freaking months” apiece. I saw their pictures on the ultrasound screen. I watched them move and kick, and watched as the technician measured arms and legs and head circumference, and I watched as she showed me, through special imaging, the pattern of blood pumping through their hearts.
At 11 weeks, I watched my now 10-year-old daughter kicking and turning, perfectly formed, and it amazed even ME, a “heartless pro-lifer” who already knew and accepted that there was a new human life within me. I watched as in her profile view, she opened and closed her mouth and stretched. The technician said to me, “I’ve never seen a baby so young do that before, so clearly on the screen!” She was not a parasite, she was a person.
Note the lack of warmth and concern.
This comment illustrates why trend watchers (mostly atheists) note that the future belongs to the religious. Those that love life will outnumber the killers. Currently 55% of all children live in homes where there are 3 or more children total. I predict pro life numbers will rise. Women who have ever had an abortion have fewer total children on average than women who have never had an abortion. So while a slight majority of the last generation might have been pro abortion, most of the next generation won’t be.
Posted by: hippie at January 12, 2010 4:14 PM
one: i have three siblings. they are the reason i hate children.
two: you’re right. i’m am unconcerned about children. and for being, “warm” i could care less. being prochoice/prolife isn’t about being “warm” and creating “warm fuzzies” to make people good.
three: as for “So while a slight majority of the last generation might have been pro abortion, most of the next generation won’t be.” i raised in a religious home and my mother used to be prolife, anti abortion, anti everything except god. you know what happened, i couldn’t care less about what she wanted me to believe in. i rebelled, much like most kids do.
I have been to this murder outlet several times. Some of these people that go for an abortion never seem to amaze me with their brashness and degradation.
“oh please, tell what i did wrong. i’m so ready to listen…zzzz.”
I guess the fact that you type while napping prelcudes you from needing to use the shift key.
I think someone forgot to put on their big girl panties before they got into the sandbox.
Kel,
I am so intrigued by all these women/girls who are posting here lately. The common theme seems to be hatred. They could all very well be the same person, the way they write.
I love all four of my “things” dearly! And the three “things” I have in heaven!
HOOVES!!! :) How are you? I miss you!
Dear Hater of Children Because You Had 3 Siblings,
Pick a name.
Anonymous posts are not allowed.
Hi Carla–miss you too! I’ve been lurking off an on for the last few months but too busy with our new rural lifestyle to participate much. I do however love your posts and am so glad you joined the team! (I remember when you first showed up here!) You are one of the most thoughtful posters and I know you are uniquely qualified to speak on the topic….
Hope you are well!
All of the protesters there were so kind and compassionate, and in no way were disrespectful.
I am so thankful that there are such caring people who are willing to stand in the snow all day and give women an opportunity not to make the worst decision of her life.
How sad that this little child was brought into the abortion clinic with her mother, to be there as her sibling is being killed.
When I used to picket, I saw moms arriving for abortions with their kids in tow all the time. It took a while to get used to, and never stopped being creepy. What do you tell the kids when you’re leaving the house? “Family outing! We’re going to kill the baby today!”
Ashley, if the baby has no heartbeat, removing it isn’t an abortion. It’s treating the mother for what’s called a “missed abortion” — a miscarriage in which the baby dies but for some reason isn’t expelled.
And just because a baby has severe health problems doesn’t mean that killing him or her is a mercy — to anybody involved. Would you say it was okay for a gunman to walk into a hospice and just shoot all the patients, on the grounds that they were gonna die soon anyway? Isn’t your life YOUR life, not somebody else’s to take just because they don’t think you’re gonna have what they consider “enough” life?
I always find it weird that people think that anecdotes somehow negate statistics. Stats show trends, percents. I clearly said most, not all. I know pro life folks and they are pretty warm and fuzzy as well as reasonable. Pro aborts are innumerate, illogical, and crass generally. Surely not 100% for either group but a fair generalization. Also pro aborts are not very generous which is why PP has to get its $$ from the gov’t. PP gets less in private contributions than the ASPCA or Humane Society. Animal lovers more generous than baby killers.
Posted by: Rachael C. at January 12, 2010 2:02 PM
I wouldn’t say that it’s child abuse to take a child along to an abortion clinic, but rather that it’s not an approppriate place for a child. …take into consideration that seeing a child (especially a young one) may be upsetting to other women there.
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I may be mis-reading the point of your comment, but it seems to me you are less concerned about the childs emotionally welfare than you are about the abortive moms.
Heaven forbid that a woman who is about to have her child killed would be confronted with a child who has already run the ‘choice’ gauntlet and survived.
Are women so emotionally fragile that we have to protect them from the reality of what they have comitted themselves to do.
Why do the animal rights folks want to confront us with the images of baby seals being clubbed to death.
Could it be they know the violent images shock the senses.
Is a healthy three year old child sitting in a chair equally shocking to a pregnant woman who has chosen to kill her pre-natal child?
Why is that?
yor bro ken
i rebelled, much like most kids do.
Posted by: … at January 12, 2010 4:25 PM
Ah, unsupported by data.
Most kids don’t rebel. They conform primarily to their genetic tendencies and secondly to the influences in their lives. Most kids are very like their parents and the similarities increase with age. I can point you to some genetics research blogs if you like science. Most pro aborts don’t like science, but hey, there is always a possibility.
Posted by: Danielle at January 12, 2010 2:41 PM
Agree that its not optimal to have a young one sitting for hours in a waiting room, but I’ve seen it done. If there’s no one to watch your child, then there’s no one to watch your child.
You do what you have to do.
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Might as well kill the other child too and be done with it.
You do what you ‘want’ to do.
No body is holding a gun to the woman’s head, though her pre-natal child IS facing eminent extermination.
The pregnant woman consents, though not always fully informed, but her prenatal child, though never consulted and never consenting, is fully informed of the violent act of abortion.
yor bro ken
For children to have solid emotional development, they need to believe that their caregiver love them unconditionally. Abortion of a sibling shows them loud and clear that the mother’s love is conditioned on how “convenient” the circumstances of conception were. Disturbing indeed.
I am a “deathsort” as you “anti-aborts” (weird use of a verb but whatever) would call it. Rather than quietly praying for the women; your krewe scream all kinds of nasty invective against the escorts and the women who are having a safe and legal medical procedure – the kind of rhetoric that a man wouldn’t endure when he has having his sacred sperm cut off in another type of medical procedure. I have been called a lesbian and a baby killer while the rabble scream incoherent religious nonsense at those women who have made a difficult and personal decision. We actually have drills as to what to do if the clinic is attacked by “pro-lifers” who want to kill us. I did get a lot of satisfaction when a young Hispanic woman recently thanked me in Spanish. And for the record, we don’t get paid.
And for the record, there are Protestant clergymen and clergywomen who are escorts as well as many Jewish folks. Of course, the “lifers” would call them baby killers as well as “Christ killers.” What say you about these men and women of God?
I do wonder how many “counselors” (how many actually are accredited?) are willing to raise the “babies” that they “rescue.” But the fact remains that they are vulgar thugs. Our side doesn’t stand outside the local Catholic churches holding coat hangers!!!!
Also, the very first words out of the sidewalk counselor’s mouth are “I’m not with the abortion clinic.” So much for their claims that the pro-lifers are trying to “trick” women.
Artemis, are you aware of the pro-life pregnancy clinic in Arizona that was recently destroyed by arson? Both sides have crazies. That doesn’t change the fact that abortion kills a living human being. There is no harrassment in this video, no “vulgar thugs.” And as far as being willing to raise the baby, I’m guessing that pregnancy center he refers to offers adoption resources (since most do).
Also, not all pro-lifers are religious. See, for instance, secularprolife.org, godlessprolifers.org, plagal.org…
“That doesn’t change the fact that abortion kills a living human being.”
This is not a “fact.” Conservative and Reform Judaism does not hold this view. There are a number of Protestant religions that also do not agree when “ensoulment” takes place. The Episcopal Church has taken an official pro-choice position. Are these religions, therefore, “apostate?” Is abortion now the litmus test of any religion? But fine – tell these fine folks that they are doomed to hell. I’m sure the woman who is the head of the Episcopal Church would like to know that she is heading for the lake of fire – as well as rabbis across this country. Better yet – let’s start a new Inquistion and burn em!!!
Yeah Artemis, because disagreement=inquisition.
Artemis says “”That doesn’t change the fact that abortion kills a living human being.”
This is not a “fact.” ”
Yes, it is. It is a biological fact. A new, unique human life is created at amphimixis. There is absolutely no scientific debate. Anyone who claims otherwise is either ignorant or lying.
Artemis,
Out of pure curiosity, why did you decide to become a volunteer escort?
Dear Hooves,
I remember when I came here too!! November 2007…Sally gave me quite a run for my money. I also remember you taking the name Hooves in Maw. I still have to laugh at that one.
Anyway, I hope you are well and am glad you are taking time to lurk and jump in.
I miss your humor!!!
Hi Artemis,
What do you say to the women and girls that leave your mill holding their stomachs and crying for their babies??
“You’re Welcome??”
“What do you say to the women and girls that leave your mill holding their stomachs and crying for their babies??”
Inasmuch as you would love to think that women “cry for their babies,” it just isn’t true. But if that’s the kind of projective wishful thinking that you engage in – whatever. And why did I decide to become an escort? Because I wanted women to feel that they have support from those who would seek to dictate what they should do with their bodies – the same folks who pushed my generation to do things like douche with chemicals or make the long trip to Canada – the same folks, led by male priests whose track record on sex issues was none to good – who told women that they were compliant vessels for the Lord and that anything less would send them to hell. I strongly believe that an abortion is a personal decision and for the “pro-life” crowd to attempt to shame those women, who have made a difficult decision, is vile. And BTW, I know that at any time, a “pro-life” bullet can end my life. You know “justifiable homicide.”
And BTW, nobody has answered my question as to what you say to clergy who support a woman’s right to an abortion – the same clergy who act as escorts!
Simple, Artemis. Any clergy supporting abortion is not following Christ.
When I was sitting in a recliner after my abortion there were girls and women all around me crying and sobbing and holding their stomachs. Some were crying out, “My baby! My baby! My baby!”
Sidewalk counselors see women leaving and crying.
Yes. It’s true.
How do you help them, Artemis? What do you say to them when they know their children just died?
Its not THEIR bodies. The child they are destroying is NOT part of their body. The child has his or her own separate unique body complete with separate DNA.
Abortion destroys a human being that has not been born yet.
Perhaps you did not study human biology in high school or college?
Take a refresher course on human development.
And the sidewalk counselers that stand there offer REAL help and REAL alternatives: adoption services, maternity clothes, rent assistance, other financial assistance. Pregnancy Care Centers offer maternity clothes, baby supplies, parenting classes, and post abortion counseling for those who regret their abortions (and no matter what Banned Parenthood tells you, yes, women DO regret abortions. There are a few post abortive women who have posted here in the past who deeply regret theirs).
Nobody need shame a woman after an abortion. The shame comes from knowing deep down what they have just done.
Artemis–why is an abortion a difficult decision if it is not killing a child? No pro-abort can ever answer this!!! WHY IS IT DIFFICULT? If it is a fetal blob then WHO CARES? Why would a woman even waste a moment deciding–the fetal blob is inconvenient right now, there isn’t enough money, the father just left me, I want to finish school….all the reasons women have for aborting. Then just do it and who cares? Maybe the decision is so difficult cause beneath all your hate and catchy slogans we ALL KNOW that a pregnant woman is carrying a very tiny BABY that is ALIVE and a HUMAN BEING.
KK–“that thing” was my little son. He is the BEST “thing” to ever happen to me! I found out my “thing” was growing in me at 13 days and I followed his miraculous development till the day my “thing” was born. I am trying to get pregnant with another “thing” right now. I look forward to having a “thing” in my body for 9 months! Keep your fingers crossed everybody!
KK…did it ever occur to you your mother had to house YOU in her body for 9 months? That you were once one of those “things” that you have such revulsion for?
Pro-aborts make about as much sense to me as racists do. “I hate this person cause he’s got BLACK SKIN!” “I hate this baby cause he’s inside a WOMAN’S WOMB!” Hating a person based on location or development is as pathetic as hating a person based on ethnicity or gender.
Its idiotic.
KK, Ashley, Artemis…this is what you support. Congratulations.
http://www.abortioninstruments.com/abortion_photos.html
oh but you won’t look it. you don’t care. you can’t face the truth cause you know you support death. so you’ll just post snarky comments. zzzzzz
@Sydney M.
trust me, i applaud my mother for keeping me inside her for nine months. because believe me, i would not have done it. and go you for having kids. i hope they make you every bit as happy as you want.
i don’t hate babies because it’s “inside this woman’s womb.” i just think that that woman carrying the fetus inside of her has a right to decide if she wants to carry it to term or not. it’s her body, therefore her choice.
on the whole racist thing, i’m discriminated against enough being a dark-skinned american indian. pro-choice is not racism. it can’t even be compared to racism.
i’m not trying to be rude. sorry if i have been. this is a sensitive topic considering my best friend had an abortion and gets crap about it almost everyday of her life. again, sorry if i’ve been rude to you. not my intention.
“Artemis–why is an abortion a difficult decision if it is not killing a child? No pro-abort can ever answer this!!!”
Geese, this one is so easy. Any major decision involving a life change is difficult – changing jobs, getting married, placing parents in nursing homes, deciding on which college to attend, getting a divorce and starting a family. None of these decisions involve “killing.” Any decision to have surgery is difficult because it involves a certain amount of pain and discomfort. In the case of abortion, the situation is compounded because it necessitates a certain amount of cash if one doesn’t have a health plan which covers the termination. These types of decisions involve weighing what one wants vs. what one needs and that’s the rub.
And BTW, there are “clergy” who don’t follow Jesus because they happen to be Jewish; but I do love how pro-lifers think they have a monopoly on Jesus. A friend of mine, an Episcopalian Priest, had all kinds of nasty things yelled at her, from the “lifers” when she testified against anti-choice legislation. Why am I thinking of 17th century Salem….
KK, Ashley, Artemis…this is what you support. Congratulations.
http://www.abortioninstruments.com/abortion_photos.html
oh but you won’t look it. you don’t care. you can’t face the truth cause you know you support death. so you’ll just post snarky comments. zzzzzz
Posted by: Sydney M. at January 12, 2010 9:06 PM
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i really like how they made the fingers into peace signs. real cool.
KK says “i hope they make you every bit as happy as you want.”
KK, you fundamentally misunderstand parenting. Children aren’t born to make the parent “as happy as they want” but rather entrusted to us. Parenting is not a selfish act.
Artemis, I assumed you meant Catholic clergy since your previous ditribe focused on the Catholic church. Jews who support abortion are not following Jewish Law, which clearly states that abortion is appropriate only when the life of the mother is at risk from continuing the pregnancy.
Honestly, Artemis, I fail to see how any of this changes the fact that a new, unique human being is killed during abortion.
@Lauren
which is why i will never be a parent. i don’t care that much about other people. to be honest, i dislike everyone unless i get to know them.
kk, parenting has a way of making you less selfish. I’m sorry that your misantropic nature has so hardened you to the plight of the most helpless amongst us.
Sydney,
Agreed. If abortion didn’t kill an innocent human child then who cares??
We could all just pack up and move on from this blog!! I will be praying that soon and very soon you are pregnant with a “thing.”
Oh and Danielle?
Are these your peeps? The ones who come out of nowhere angry and hateful and full of crap? Are these the type of people that we are supposed to believe truly “care about women??” Yeah. It shows.
I appreciate your civility all the more lately.
Artemis,
The “rub” with abortion doesn’t involve getting enough cash together. Or what one wants or needs. Puhleeze. The “rub” is a woman is NOT told everything about fetal development, shown an ultrasound, told anything about the possible risks of abortion-depression, suicidal thoughts, attempts, nightmares, increased drinking, drug use, promiscuity, infertility, breast cancer. She is NOT told that by the time she even realizes she is pregnant all organ systems are in place. The child’s heart is beating.
The “rub” is that the abortion industry is based on absolute lies starting with the one that abortion is THE BEST thing offered. And continuing on with it is “just a bunch of cells” or a “blob of tissue.” And then the one about how you can “get on with your life.” Lies. All lies.
Oh, and women do leave abortion clinics crying over their dead babies. You lied.
Sorry Kk, not buying it. I never lost any sleep when I decided to marry my husband. I lost my job earlier this past year…never lost any sleep over that either.
Even though I want to bop my husband on the back of the head with a frying pan sometimes (KIDDING) I don’t cry and mourn my decision to marry him. Having my son profoundly changed my life (its why I am up at this late hour. He keeps waking up tonight.) but I have never shed tears of regret for having him. My girlfriends who aborted have shed copious amounts of tears over their “things” and voiced timid regret over their “choice”.
Artemis: “Why am I thinking of 17th century Salem….”
Because you are leaning on histrionics rather than rational thought? Yeah, that might be it.
Here are a few simple questions for the pro-choicers out here.
Why can I not kick my child out of the house during a snow storm?
Why can I not throw my child off of my boat in the middle of the ocean? Do I not have the right to property?
Is a mother required to nurse if there are no other options (ex. some sort of digestion issue in the infant)?
Why do newborn infants have any rights at all, considering that newborns lack self-awareness and are intellectually as developed as most higher thinking mammals?
If conjoined twins require a 9 month wait, say for available organs, to do a separation to save both lives, are they required to wait, or can the healthiest twin demand immediate separation at the death of the sicker twin?
Pro-Lifer: “Would you please come with us to take some literature at least?”
Pro-Choicer: “She asked you to leave her alone, this is now harassment!”
I don’t see how kindly and calmly asking a person to look over literature is harassment. If anyone could enlighten me that would be very nice of them.
I know that MY abortion experience was exactly that: I cried for my baby as he/she was sucked out of my womb, even saying “my baby, my baby…”. I guess the strong dose of Vicodin that they gave me before I laid down on the table to have my child killed took down my mental defenses, making it impossible for me to deny the reality of the moment. The “nurse” in attendance said to me “ssshhhh…it’s not a baby”. Looking back at her tone, it seems like I was annoying the abortionist. I took that as my cue to shut up because to continue might have been rude (I had no self-assertion skills at all at the tender age of 20 compared to now at 41) but I still could not stop the tears streaming down my face for the rest of the day and off and on for weeks afterward.
Fast forward past 18 years of necessary denial and numbness for self-preservation, past marriage at age 32, first born child at age 34, second born child at age 37, then pro-life epiphany and facing of facts at age 38.
Abortion lasts only a moment but haunts a lifetime.
I’m so sorry for what you have endured. So grateful you now know The Truth. Love you, Michelle.
I annoyed the abortionist too. In fact, he was so angry I wondered what I had done.
Lauren, there is a reason that the Bible states that women will be saved through child bearing and it is that exact fact: being a parent causes *most* women to become less selfish, less self-absorbed, to realize that there is more to the universe than their personal whims, desires, etc.
I have been blessed to carry 7 of “those things” to full term and being a parent is not about what they do for me or how happy they make me… my happiness and joy comes from getting to know each of them as individuals and working to learn what each of them needs in order to become the healthiest, strongest, best version of themselves… (Which is why when my mother wanted me to force my oldest to take violin lessons just because *I* was a violinist I looked at her and said, “But she isn’t me.” My oldest is a gifted athlete, I am not.)
Those who are Jewish who support abortion are going against the clear teachings of the Torah and Talmud just as much as those who claim to be Christian are going against the clear teachings of Christ, who said, “Let the little children come unto me and do not hinder them.” He also declared that for anyone to hurt one of “these little ones” it would be better if he put a millstone around his neck and throw himself to his death because of how horrific the judgment for such a crime would be in the final judgment. Not my words, Christ’s. A person can choose to reject Christ’s teaching (and thus Christianity) but to claim to be a Christian and participate in or work to further abortion puts one in the category of those who will say in the end days, “Lord, Lord” and the Lord will say, “Who are you? I know you not.”
Those who are not religious are going against the clear evidence of science which shows that at conception a completely new creature is created… they violate bioethics and science just as clearly as the religious “pro-aborts” violate religious ethics.
Oh Michelle that sounds horrifying, and so lonely!
I can’t imagine the agony you must have been in after this happened. I’m so sorry.
I am so very thankful that you have turned around and have fought to protect life. Thank you for speaking out for the babies today, and letting the world know that abortion doesn’t just kill a child, it leaves a woman wounded too.
Carla, Bethany, Jill, Bobby Bambino, and so many others on this blog; Thank you so much for being here for me to talk to when I just need a friend who knows what I’ve been through.
It may sound strange, but I am also grateful to the pro-choicers who come here and spew their hate because it only re-affirms to me the delusion that abortion is an answer to ANY problem. Listening to them talk in circles is like looking into a mirror at myself.
After 3+ years now of knowing the truth and going through my own personal journey of learning all of the facts about fetal development and the politics and spiritual implications of abortion, I did finally pray outside an abortion mill here in Austin a few weeks ago. It was a first step into the light of day in my new pro-life journey. It was uneventful (saw no women entering the mill) but it was a huge step for me just the same.
The Lord is guiding me and will let me know when I am ready to be of real use to women in crisis pregnancies.
Love y’all,
Michelle
I am so very proud of you Michelle! Keep fighting the good fight! God is using you!
I agree with you about the PC that show up here. They THINK that they are “helping” women by escorting them into the killing fields. Where was that “help” when you are I were so very devastated? So alone and broken over the deaths of our children?
Thank you Lord for compassionate friends who loved me unconditionally and guided me gently to You.
Michelle, I’ve added your blog to my pro-life blogroll…just wanted to let you know!
Bethany,
Oh, gosh, you mean the blog I haven’t made an entry to for at least a year now? Even so, my past blog entries might be of use to someone, as they are not time-sensitive. I really should make a commitment to update at least once a month tho.
Thanks for giving me the incentive to do so, Bethany! Y’all challenge me to give more to the cause every time I come here, and it’s much appreciated.
Oliver wrote, in reply to Artemis:
[Artemis]
“Why am I thinking of 17th century Salem….”
[Oliver]
Because you are leaning on histrionics rather than rational thought? Yeah, that might be it.
:) Sorry, but that was just too good; he shoots, he scores!
Anyway… Ashley wrote:
Yes, reading a lot of pro-life writing, you find that they tend to divide women into two groups: the heartless baby-killing hussies and the good girls who “choose life.” But a lot of women have had both an abortion and a live birth.
Ashley… please try to think about this reasonably. A woman who has allowed one child to be born, and then allows the next to be killed by abortion, has done TWO things, not one; refraining from killing one child doesn’t excuse killing the other, and killing the one doesn’t diminish the rightness in letting the other live. Why are you confusing the two? Don’t you think it’s possible for the same person to commit both good and evil acts?
As a word picture: what’s the relevant moral difference between your example (a woman who carries one child to term and raises him/her, and then allows the second child to be killed by abortion) and a woman who elects to slit the throat of one of her two born children, and declining to kill the other?
Atemis posted:”Our side doesn’t stand outside the local Catholic churches holding coat hangers!!!!”
As a mental health professional, I have probably not seen such a collection of rationalizations, intellectualizations and such a level of denial in posts as is evident in yours.
Additionally, the standard pulp that the liberal mental health establishment promotes about the “lack” of post-abortion psychological consequences is also hogwash. I have been practicing for over 20 years (licensed, doctoral level) and easily 95% of the female patients that I have had the privilege of serving adamantly regret their past actions in this arena and admit to ignorance of the facts (always avoided by the males in their lives that serve to benefit by abrogating their responsibilities)of human development and even the simple biological FACT that an unborn child (who has no voice) is a totally unique genetic entity…that does not even have a “direct” connection to its mother, the placental barrier prevents connection. The lies promulgated by the abortion industry have been widespread since Roe v Wade, and sadly posters like this woman PROUDLY defend their actions…well then, so did the S.S.
Thank you Dr. Mark for commenting and helping women find hope and healing after abortion. The pain is real.
If anyone hurt by abortion would like to make their voice heard in the justice system please see
http://www.operationoutcry.org
The declarations are being collected by the thousands and used in prolife legislation. They are filed as friend of the court briefs.
I was inspired to create a factual, non-religious flyer for use by sidewalk counselors. I’ve never done counseling (I’m afraid it would break my heart) but I’ll help however I can. Any suggestions for improving this publication are appreciated.
http://secularprolife.org/files/sidewalk.pdf
Kelsey,
I like what you have done!! Very nice!
Sometimes I wish that someone would have been outside that clinic and I would have stopped to listen….
God bless you for doing what you can!
Kelsey, I love it!! Great flyer.
Oh and Danielle?
Are these your peeps? The ones who come out of nowhere angry and hateful and full of crap? Are these the type of people that we are supposed to believe truly “care about women??” Yeah. It shows.
I appreciate your civility all the more lately.
Posted by: carla Author Profile Page at January 12, 2010 9:42 PM
-You mean the posters who expressed their anger and frustration at the idea of women who have already made a choice for themselves who then have to physically navigate through a host of people (who have NO IDEA who this woman is) in their personal space, extolling the fire and brimstone of an infinite number of soul crushing dysfunction that awaits them if they walk through the door unless they accept their token subsidies of 3 months of Pampers and onsies to make it all worth it, and take every nerve ending in her body not to whip around a give said intruder a piece of her mind, rightfully enraged that she should have to justify her presence at a medical facility to anyone except herself? And then can’t even get through the door without a PHYSICAL ESCORT to buffer the noise and jostling?
Yeah, them’s my peeps.
Danielle: “Yeah, them’s my peeps.”
Why should we be suprised? You don’t support your ideas with reason. Why should we be shocked that you surround yourself with people like this?
Thanks Kel and Carla. If you end up using it, please let me know how it goes. There’s a contact form on the website.
Yes, the “lovers of women” have really shined on this thread!!! They have shown their caring and compassion for me and all the other women here and oh gosh do they love the women walking into the abortion clinics! Too bad the little baby girls die and never get the chance to live and be loved by the women lovers.
“Also, I hope the takeaway from this video is dispelling the myth that women who choose abortion only fall into one of a few convenient archetypes.”
Yes, this dispells the myth that abortion customers are teenagers who didn’t have proper sex ed and are scared and don’t know where babies come from or that the unborn child is more than a blob of tissue. After all, this woman HAD A BABY. I’m sure she had an ultrasound. She knows where babies come from and she made more than one of them.
How is the fact that women who are supposed to know better have abortion somehow good for your cause?
Danielle..why would the mother have to “justify” her presence at a medical facility to herself. Hmmm. I go and get my teeth cleaned, my eyes checked, my annual pap-smear, etc…I’ve never “justified” it to myself or even felt the need. And if there protesters protesting getting my eyes checked, I doubt I would feel the need to “justify” it to them either. The words you used were very telling.
Danielle..why would the mother have to “justify” her presence at a medical facility to herself. Hmmm. I go and get my teeth cleaned, my eyes checked, my annual pap-smear, etc…I’ve never “justified” it to myself or even felt the need. And if there protesters protesting getting my eyes checked, I doubt I would feel the need to “justify” it to them either. The words you used were very telling.
Posted by: Sydney M. at January 13, 2010 9:48 PM
-You read incorrectly. Again.
I’m not talking about self-justification. She’s put in a position to either respond to someone in her face – “why are you here to kill your baby? won’t you let us help you?” etc – thereby put in a position to either explain (justify) her presence at the clinic (as if there ever be a satisfactory reply to a question that’s frankly nobody’s business) – or ignore them, as difficult and frustrating as that can made to be (although that of course is the agenda).
What’s telling to me is the reaction a protester had (on separate video) to one of the escorts silently but closely trailing her on the clinic property with a video camera. All she kept doing was covering her face and yelling for the escort to stop filming her, over and over. She wouldn’t, and the protester got more and more upset.
Funny how she didn’t have that level of respect for the clinic patients and escorts who repeatedly asked her to stop approaching them just moments before. Hmmm.
Well, after Jim Pouillon’s murder, along with the guy who tried to run over the anti-abortion advocate in Chico, CA, I’d probably be reluctant to be singled out also.
And, when I go get a pap smear, I’m not killing my baby. When I go get my teeth cleaned, I’m not killing my baby. When I go have my eyes checked, I’m not killing my baby. So, if someone accosted me outside any of those places and asked why I was killing my baby, I’d simply say, “Well sir, I’m not, so I don’t know what you’re talking about.” Why can’t this be said here?
You mean the posters who expressed their anger and frustration at the idea of women who have already made a choice for themselves who then have to physically navigate through a host of people (who have NO IDEA who this woman is) in their personal space, extolling the fire and brimstone of an infinite number of soul crushing dysfunction that awaits them if they walk through the door unless they accept their token subsidies of 3 months of Pampers and onsies to make it all worth it…
Oh Danielle, you’ve been so mislead :( Please take a moment to go read the following article to go a better, in depth, idea of what services are and are not offered by pregnancy resource centers and the depth of the services.
Questions and Answers About Pregnancy Resource Centers
I volunteered for 2 years as both a clothing room volunteer and administrative assistant at a pregnancy resource center and have first hand experience of the services offered. Pregnancy centers offer much more than “3 months of Pampers and onsies”. They provide parenting and childbirth classes; referrals to public and private agencies for assistance such as housing, clothing, utility assistance, professional counseling, healthcare and medication assistance such Medicaid, (WIC) nutrition program, government assistance programs, domestic violence services, and to physicians for health care for pregnancy confirmation, prenatal care, general preventive health care, and STD prevention/testing/treatment. Also they provide a practical needs services, which is what you were referring to, most often known as the Earn While You Learn program, in which low-income residents earn the ability to “purchase” critically needed pregnancy and parenting items (such as maternity clothes, infant/toddler clothing, seasonal clothing such as coats, hygiene items, diapers and baby formula on an emergency basis, bottles and sippy cups, crib sheets and blankets, cribs and crib matresses, etc) through wavers earned by attending ‘Earn and Learn’ classes, which teach women and their partner about pregnancy, prenatal development, delivery and postpartum care, the emotional needs and physical care of a newborn/toddler/school-aged child, first aid, foundations of discipline, financial management, job preparation and other life skills. Not only does this program provide clients with the practical items they need to care for their children, but also teaches them valuable life skills and gives them independence and a sense of self-worth.
And reading over, I realize the first couple of sentences of my last post come off as condescending, which is not the tone I intended, but rather sympathetic and gentle.