Abortion is in Obama’s healthcare bill
According to the New York Times today:
After more than a year of people talking about “President Obama’s health care plan,” the president actually has offered his own detailed proposal.
And it’s now posted on the White House Web site….
The president’s plan is based on the bills adopted late last year by the House and Senate but, broadly speaking, bears a greater resemblance to the Senate measure….
The president’s plan, however, does not resolve some hot-button disputes, including a controversy over provisions related to insurance coverage of abortions. Officials believe they cannot make changes to the Senate language on abortion using the parliamentary process of budget reconciliation, which may be the only way to get the bill through the Senate without being blocked by a Republican filibuster.
But some House Democrats who supported the bill have said they would oppose the measure if it contains the Senate abortion language, which is less restrictive than provisions that had been added to the House bill in an amendment by Representative Bart Stupak, Democrat of MI….
But according to National Right to Life, Obama’s bill digs deeper into taxpayers’ pockets to fund abortion:
None of President Obama’s proposed changes diminish any of the sweeping pro-abortion problems in the Senate bill, and he actually proposes to increase the funds that would be available to directly subsidize abortion procedures (through Community Health Centers) and to subsidize private health insurance that covers abortion (through the premium-subsidy tax credits program).
If all of the President’s changes were made, the resulting legislation would allow direct federal funding of abortion on demand through Community Health Centers, would institute federal subsidies for private health plans that cover abortion on demand (including some federally administered plans), and would authorize federal mandates that would require even non-subsidized private plans to cover elective abortion….
Ok, game on… again.
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Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
Barack Obama and the politicians in the Democratic Party seem to have a sick obsession with killing unborn children.
Joe, Obama has a sick obsession with power. Killing the unborn is a bone thrown to his supporters at NOW, PP, etc.
Sociopaths/narcissists are obsessed with control and power and have the potential to react violently to what they perceive as a threat to their control and power. I never for a moment believed he was going quietly into the night after his health care agenda flopped. Sociopaths/narcissists are not wired this way.
He is egomaniacal, lacks any kind of conscience or empathy, and views himself as the “real” victim, i.e. look how he always blames Bush.
This is a point where a sociopath/narcissist can be at their most dangerous, and cunning and we let our guard down at our own risk.
Mary – Truer words were never spoken. Being from Illinois, I have know about the obsession with himself for some time. I knew it would be a nightmare if he were ever elected president. And…here we are.
Let’s continue to pray for him.
This is much bigger than abortion This is about the government deciding who gets which treatments and who doesn’t. The holocaust at the preborn end of the spectrum will look like a tea party compared to what these beasts will do at the other end of the life spectrum.
They must be stopped at all costs. If Stupak becomes the stumbling block again, then glory to God. But we must raise the specter of the November elections to grind this thing to a halt.
Indeed MamaMT.
I’ve been very critical of the man. He is one evil dude.
It really is easy to criticize him.
It’s actually not that hard to talk about the need to pray for him.
I just prayed for him, which is what we’re supposed to do.
It wasn’t that easy.
I prayed that God would shake him up and wake him up – almost like someone needs to grab him by the shoulders and really shake him, and then maybe slap him across the face a few times.
Whack! Whack! Whack!
I wonder if He could, would Jesus chase him around the Oval Office with His whip? “Those are My brothers and sisters you’re killing! MY SIBLINGS!!!
I realize that image of Jesus probably isn’t consistent with most people’s religious ideas of our Savior.
Regardless, I believe it is our duty to pray BO into the Kingdom, or out of office. 1Ti 2.1-4
It’s a good exercise to pray for someone you despise. It re-calibrates the heart.
Lord have mercy on Barack Obama. Open his eyes to your truth regarding abortion. Grant him repentence that he might turn from being one who promotes death to become a defender of Life.
In Your Name I pray.
Hi Gerard,
As I pointed out, this is about power and control.
Whether its running the car companies, financial instituions, and our health care, its about control.
What are the first things dictators take over and control when they come to power? Bingo. Major industry, financial instituions, and health care.
I wonder if Obama is going after Toyota to satisfy his union thugs..eh supporters, and take control of yet more industry. Oh, fie on me for thinking such a thing!
As hard as it is, Obama and this goverment need our prayers. Only God can change their hearts!
Amen, Ed. It is so hard for me to pray for him so I appreciate you spurring us to do just that.
Mary,
I wholeheartedly agree with you!! I just have to shake my head at those that actually think he is doing a “good” job and is a “good” president. ??!!
Hi Gerard,
I also wanted to agree with you that this is much bigger than abortion. Abortion means squat to him. That’s just a bone he’s throwing to his supporters. If he has to shake hands with the devil in hell he will do it, gladly, for the aquisition of power and control.
The more I look in this man’s empty eyes the more evil I see.
Hi Carla,
Just look how the German people, educated and intelligent, followed Hitler right off the cliff.
People idolize Joe Stalin and Mao, mass murderers who made Hitler look like amateur hour.
Its beyond me Carla.
I wonder if this is a push to go the route of China? Will the U.S. next start demanding women abort their children if it is deemed that they’ve exceeded the recommended number?
Interested in the details of the community health center funding – is it a new loophole created, or is the issue that community health centers are funded differently, and without explicit exclusion, would allow abortions?
I ask because I had involvement with NACHC back in the day and know they’ve (CHC’s) been one of the few organization’s to see increases through the years regardless of administration. In fact, outside of homeland security, few areas saw as big of an increase as NACHC under Bush – and that has continued with Obama.
Just wondering if it’s a new exclusion, or somebody has just found a loophole in the funding that has been there all along. Trying to read through the various analysis – lots out there, but tough to find anything trustworthy and detailed.
Thanks folks –
If you want to put an end to abortion you are going to have to vote for heath care reform that will guarantee every pregnant woman has access to prenatal health care and healthcare for herself and her baby.
It does no good to force women to have children if she can’t get access to prenatal care that can help her deliver a healthy baby.
It would even be worse to force a poor woman without health care to bear a child who has severe birth defects or medical challenges that would require expensive medical care which she cannot afford
It’s senseless to give birth to a child only to watch it suffer and die for lack of health care.
Oh come on Norris,
Poor women get health care. I know because I have been caring for them for years.
Their children get the care they need. Ever hear of Octomom? Were her premature children thrown out on the street?
Mary – there is a difference between emergency care and comprehensive medical care. I mean, it’s one thing to get coverage when the kid has 105 degree fever – quite another to catch it and treat it before it gets out of hand.
To an extent, I agree with Norris in that I think the pro-life cause and health insurance access for all goes hand in hand. Without providing access to health care and education, the pro-life movement becomes largely pro-birth.
EGV,
Please, spare me. There are pediatricians and family practice doctors providing care on a sliding scale basis and free of charge. There is medicaid. The fact people don’t have insurance does not mean a child doesn’t visit a doctor. Our hospital recently closed its pediatric unit. Apparently children are getting their illnesses caught in time.
Health care and education is out there for parents who want it.
There are also parents for whom adequate health care for their children is not a priority. A sad fact of life but true.
Several times I have given the account of a doctor who offered prenatal care free of charge to a low income community. Not one woman came in for care. However the women did have time and money for cigarettes, drugs, booze, and junk food.
That’s not me saying that EGV, its the doctor who was very concerned about these women and their unborn children for the above mentioned reasons.
You sure do a heck of a job demonizing poor people (or through a doctor and what he “said” – though you’ve made similar responses on other threads).
Sporadic access is one thing. Actual coverage is another. According to a RWJF study, 1/3 of uninsured kids go without medical care for an entire year, compared to just about 10% of kids with insurance. Both are tragedies really – but the statement that you know of various people who provide care for free, and the actual reality that uninsured kids are getting quality health care – that’s simply two different things.
Now, a lot of those kids WOULD qualify for various plans out there – but again, there’s a disconnect and not enough being done to get care and prevent preventable illnesses.
You are right though -everyone has coverage – so instead of that kid getting a $20 prescription, we ALL get to pay when they get the $500 emergency room visit.
Gotta love the good US of A!
EGV,
Again spare me. I’m not “demonizing” anyone. I’ve seen plenty of people of all economic statuses that were totally irresponsible for their health as well as other aspects of their lives, like paying bills.
I’m pointing out the fact that this particular group of poor women were not getting care by their own choice, not because of their circumstances. Sorry if you don’t like what the doctor said but the facts are what they are. What do you suggest be done when people take no responsiblity for their medical care or that of their children? Maybe these women wouldn’t be so poor if they managed their money and lives properly.
Again, children may not have insurance coverage or care because its not a priority for their parents. Also, parents may not take a child in for preventive care, only as needed. There were years my children didn’t go to the doctor either and I was insured.
Lots of factors here EGV.
Again, preventative care is the responsibility of individuals and parents. I don’t know what more you can do when people frankly don’t give a crap.
Do some end up in ER? Yes, but over the years the situations I saw were emergent situations, injuries and panicked parents, not people who couldn’t afford a doctor visit. For the most part they were insured, though we also saw medicaid and private pay. Children can and do become unexpectedly critically ill necessitating an ER visit, despite the best preventative care.
I remember people bringing all five kids in the middle of the nite for a headcold. Heck, insurance was paying for it and they had to leave on vacation in the morning. Couldn’t wait around to call the family doctor. LOL, someday I should write a book, I’ve got stories from the ER you wouldn’t believe.
Heck, I took my kids to ER a few times for injuries, 3 different times that I can think of. One time it was a panicked babysitter who called the rescue squad. My little boy was more bewildered than injured.
Gotta love the US of A. Well the illegals who get their healthcare at your expense couldn’t agree more. I’ve seen plenty of them too!!
What gets me is the fact that even some very hard-core pro-aborts agree that those who disagree with abortion shouldn’t have tax dollars go towards paying it. A poll on the topic would lean very heavily to the “right”.
So it blows my mind that they refuse to include language specifically excludes the money going towards it. There is a point in debate when you realize that one side is simply being irrational, failing to concede even the most basic points of the other, and this is it for them.
It would be interesting to see the numbers of visits for kids in European countries vs the US. Maybe our parents are just dumber here. I think part of it is the complexity of the programs. Regardless, there is reform needed here in regards of costs and issues like we discussed – people skipping preventative care and us picking up the tab for emergency care.
The growing problem now are those in the middle class that have insurance, but the bills are still tough to deal with. I have very good coverage from work, but just got the bill for two visits from my youngest that ran close to $400 in all. There are stories nationally of double digit insurance hikes again – all those things further cramp the amount of money people have to spend and threatens all sorts of sectors of the economy.
Again, I think it is fair to call for better reform – but the folks saying we don’t need reform at all – I don’t think they are in touch with main street America.
Alex – I think that is a decent point – but even if the language was completely covered, the right would find some other reason not to vote for the bill – so in that case, the Dems are smarter to stick to their guns and part of the base of their party.
EGV,
Compare the population numbers and diversity of the populations of the European countries as compared to the U.S.
EGV, where do you get this notion that people are in the ER because they couldn’t get preventative care? That’s pure claptrap.
Your children got the care they needed, right EGV? The bill may have been high but were your children deprived of needed care?
$400? My grocery bills with three kids ran that high and more every month. When do we get grocery shopping reform?
If you think health care is expensive, try hiring a lawyer. A woman I know had to cough up $6,000 before a lawyer would even talk to her.
How about government takeover of the legal system in this country?
I suggest that EGR go to Greece to get in touch with reality. Read Robert J. Samuelson’s article today in the Washington Post: “Greece and the Welfare State in Ruins”
Jon –
I think it is good for you to take a look at other countries. Could you let me know some of the countries out there and the percent of the GDP they pay towards health care?
Mary – you know what – you’re right. People are just wining. When Tommy Thompson said that reform was needed because it is killing us in regards to global competition, he has no idea what he was talking about. When McCain proposed cuts in Medicare because of health care waste – he was just being stupid. When economists talk about how health care will further clamp down and kill small businesses, that less families will be about to keep up with bills, and that more people will become uninsured – well, I’ll just tell them that my good friend Mary says that they should stop whining, buck up, get some free health care on somebody else’s dime, and don’t worry because other things are expensive as well.
This is a great new approach to life – I’ll just bury my head in the sand and not worry about it! I mean, if my health care has a 15% increase, that’s fine – I’ll just pick up a second job – or better yet, sell one of my kids. That will work!
Thanks Mary – I appreciate it!
Ex-GOP, you’re a statist. When statists get their way, everybody suffers in the end. Look at Greece.
There is no such thing as a free lunch. Make the eater pay, and he will become much more responsible. If any man will not work, neither let him eat.
“The laborer’s appetite works for him; his hunger drives him on.” (Prov. 16:26)
Jon – sure, it is a cute label, but the reality is that the biggest consumer of American health care right now is the government. If we don’t start controlling costs, then we’re Greece down the road.
Think of reform partially about access, but partially/mostly about cost control. It’s no secret that US automakers have a harder time competing when the health care cost per vehicle is 5 times that of some other automakers.
Ex-GOP said, “If we don’t start controlling costs, then we’re Greece down the road.”
Your statist mindset is at work, Ex-GOP. Leave health care to private insurance companies, and there will be no costs to control. Seriously. The control will come about naturally as a result of free-market forces. And, as a disclaimer, I’m not a libertarian: I do believe in some amount of regulation in the interests of justice and general public welfare.
I’m for real reform; I don’t know how you got the impression that I’m not. However, it’s my impression that you’re an Obamacare guy, in which case you’re probably mentally deranged.
Jon – there’s no reason to call people “mentally deranged” in an adult conversation. I’d expect better out of my six year old.
People said the same thing about the financial institutions, and we see how well they governed themselves.
Quite frankly, some states and systems are better off than others. Working to drive some states to better models could pay off massively, and wouldn’t be a ton of work. Regulation is needed though. If drug x works better than drug y and costs twice as much, there’s efficiencies to be gained overall – but that doesn’t happen in a vacuum.
Thanks again for the warm comments – much appreciated.
someday I should write a book
Posted by: Mary at February 22, 2010 7:40 PM
I’ll be the first one to buy it, Mary! You make a good point about inappropriate use of the ER by people with insurance or government coverage. When patients have no desire to use their benefits responsibly, and ERs cannot turn away patients with trivial complaints, it jacks up the cost for everyone. The average person would be shocked to learn how many times people abuse the ER for quick access to a prescription for over-the-counter meds like rid that they don’t want to pay for out of pocket.
There are stories nationally of double digit insurance hikes again
Posted by: Ex-GOP Voter at February 22, 2010 7:57 PM
Heritage has a good article on the Anthem increase in California. More government regulation didn’t decrease premiums, did it?
but even if the language was completely covered, the right would find some other reason not to vote for the bill
Amen to that. Abortion is an instructive example why the current bills are unacceptable. It underscores how much politics will become part of every aspect of health care if the bill passes. I am all for reforming some of our insurance laws. I am not for reform that gives the feds authority over what is or isn’t covered. One-size-fits-all health care coverage and treatment protocols are only good for progressive power seekers. They aren’t good for individual health care consumers. So yeah, I’d have “some other reason” not to vote for the bill :-P
It’s no secret that US automakers have a harder time competing when the health care cost per vehicle is 5 times that of some other automakers.
Posted by: Ex-GOP Voter at February 22, 2010 9:04 PM
Funny how you never mention the role of unions in those costs, EGV.
I didn’t call you mentally deranged, Ex-GOP. Read my comment again and note the qualifiers.
It’s my impression that financial institutions failed because of crippling and irresponsible government regulation. That is to say, they failed not because of capitalism but because of socialism.
Yes, individual states can worry about their own health care. So why is the federal government getting itself involved? My sentiments exactly. Maybe you aren’t as statist as I thought.
EGV,
LOL. Come on, you just can’t argue with me.
I never said people are just whining.
There is waste and abuse in Medicare, I’ve seen it myself. Typical wasteful gov’t program. You want these folks to “reform” our health care?
Just tell them to do what your good friend Mary has long suggested. Turn the insurance companies free to compete with each other, you know like Geico and Allstate. Isn’t there some insurance company with a duck too? Give tax breaks for health insurance and personal HCAs.
Let people pick and choose benefits. For instance, I would only want catastrophic coverage but would be willing to pay my own doctor visits and lab work. Give tax breaks for doctor visits, lab work, etc. Also, competition and free market forces among hospitals, clinics, etc.
More great words of wisdom from your good friend Mary. Personal responsilbity! Good eating habits, weight control, setting priorities, control drugs and drinking, and please don’t drive under the influence. That really results in long term medical costs for head and spinal injuries as well as nursing home care. Oh, and when attending local sporting events, don’t get so skunk drunk the rescue squad has to bring you to the ER. Not exactly cheap. Our rescue squads long ago stopped providing “free” service when people used the squads for little more than taxi service. Also, messing all over yourself when you’ve drunk yourself stupid, yes I mean THAT, is revolting to clean up. Can’t tell you how we ER folk dreaded the NFL games in this town, right along with rock concerts and nights of the full moon. Never let anyone tell you there is nothing to this full moon business. ODs, fights, accidents, heart attacks, psychotics. Even had a kid who thought he was a werewolf, running around on all fours and howling at the moon. So help me.
Maybe then we can start on legal and grocery reform. Until then EGV, let’s just hope you or a family member are not in desperate need of a good lawyer and have to plunk down a hefty sum before he/she will even talk to you.
You appreciate it?
Hey, don’t mention it. Always glad to offer my advice.
Mary –
:-)
My company is big into the personal responsibility part of health care and are seen as a model for a provision of the bill that gives tax breaks to companies with wellness programs. I think efforts like that go as far as anything that’s out there.
Since we talked last, I did some research on exchanges. The one thing that is problematic is without regulation, you have states that require certain coverage and states will bare bone models. Now pretend that you have some bad illness, but your rates aren’t real bad because your state has a lot of young workers that spread out the costs. Now, pretend those young folks start buying unregulated plans without much coverage in another state. Cheaper for them – but your rates now rise because the pool has shrunk. If your plan needs to compete and regulation isn’t there – well, you get dumped for some reason because you cost too much.
I fear health care is a bit like social security (for the record, I supported the GOP reforms on social security) – we’re going to wait until it’s a massive, massive problem and it can’t be dealt with without seriously compromising and rationing care.
Grocery store reform – why not tax junk food higher to help bring down the cost of good food…
:-)
Jon – a fine line in your offensiveness…a fine line…
In regards to the financial institutions, look up Credit Default Swaps and the massive unregulated market of faulty backed insurances. While there were other factors at play (including a lot of over-extended personal home loans) – most economists point to the credit default swaps as a leading reason for the collapse.
Fed-Up (I started to type FU, but thought that probably wasn’t a good shortening of it).
Yes, unions are a cost of, certainly – but as we extend to other areas and industries, unions won’t be an issue.
Regardless, the number of people covered by employer insurance keeps dropping and dropping. I have a young family and was on a private plan for a while before relocating last summer. Our insurance bill monthly was second only to our mortgage, and we had double digit increases four straight years. Dropped our deductible from $500 to $3000 by the end and delayed having anymore children because the cost was getting so out of whack (at a $3000 deductible, child birth would run about $5K).
Fed-Up (I started to type FU, but thought that probably wasn’t a good shortening of it).
Wouldn’t have been the most offensive thing said to me today :) But thank you.
Yes, unions are a cost of, certainly – but as we extend to other areas and industries, unions won’t be an issue.
You lost me. Care to elaborate?
Regardless, the number of people covered by employer insurance keeps dropping and dropping.
I don’t want to put words in your mouth. You are saying that we want more people on employer-sponsored coverage, right?
EGV,
:-) :-)
I’m all for wellness programs. Again this falls under the realm of personal responsibility. It also saves the company costs. A win win situation.
Again, I have no problem with insurance reform. States can address some of the issues you mention.
You will have a larger pool by crossing state lines. Its like auto insurance, some people want full coverage, others want very limited. Insurance isn’t paying out that much for limited coverage, but they may well be getting months, even years, of premiums from low risk people. Also, they are getting premiums from people who want full coverage. Again, it may be years of premiums before the insurance company even has to pay. Possibly they may never have to pay. But you still paid premiums. Its a gamble.
I think these issues can be dealt with before it becomes a crisis. Gov’t involvement will only generate corruption, waste, and inefficiency. Turn loose free market forces. Let these insurance companies fight tooth and nail for OUR business.
Taxing junk food? Oy, not more taxes. More expensive junk food might mean less money for nutritious food. People don’t always have their priorities in order. Again, personal responsibility and good sense. :-)
Ex-GOP said, “Jon – a fine line in your offensiveness…a fine line…”
Nuance, Ex-GOP, nuance. However, if you’re still bothered, I can see that I mis-spoke.
More meaningfully, there’s no point in being unnecessarily offensive. I’m sorry.
He just does not give up does he?
Just looking at him with that smug look on his face with the “Planned Parenthood” behind him is sickening.
So government oversight is gonna reign in health care premiums? lol ….the same government that just sold us out to the pharmaceutical industry by dropping an amendment that could have gotten us the a 50% prescription cost savings THAT THE REST OF THE WORLD ALREADY ENJOYS!! wtf. ..are people really that statist, I mean stupid.
Mary, Obama’s narcissism may be his downfall. He can’t conceive or even fathom a decision that is made on principle.
Ex-GOP Voter at 7:50p.m, I actually think Nelson was mismatched and got sucked into a deal he obviously had no clue what he was doing. It is proven by the fact that he is even losing the bribe he took for voting the way he did. But some people hold their principles in higher regard than their party. Stupak and the blue dog Democrats may stick to their guns; and insist on language barring government subsidized infanticide as part of health care reform. Obama’s vision of Planned Parenthood clinics carrying out government funded abortions in every town may not be the only reason to vote against this bill, but it is good enough reason for Stupak and a great majority of the citizens of the USA.
Not to mention the 27 pro-choice Democrats who voted for the Stupak amendment and who also believe that language similar to the Hyde amendment must be included in the health care reform legislation.
Hi ts,
Likely it will be his downfall, the problem is it may be ours as well.
As I pointed out this is a power grab and these people do not walk away from efforts to grab power, they just return to try again, only this time more cunning and dangerous. Look at that man and you will see a seething volcano behind those empty eyes.
EGV,
My son broke his leg in Aug. Still paying that bill. Nobody stood at the ER door asking if we could pay for care and turning us away if we couldn’t. We have been without insurance while I have been pregnant TWICE. We made arrangements and here we are. People will always find a way to find a way.
Leftism is statism is not Christianity (or Judaism). So Dennis Prager implies in the following two paragraphs, the conclusion to his Townhall article today: “Government, Yes! God and Parents, No!”
Just as the left has substituted the authority of the state for the authority of God, it has substituted the authority of the state for that of parents. And just as God has been reduced to a non-judging, non-disciplining pal, so, too, the left wants parents to become non-judging, non-disciplining pals of their children.
In a nutshell, the left wants to have ever-expanding authority over people’s lives through ever-expanding governmental powers. It does so because it regards itself as more enlightened than others. Others are either enemies (the right) or unenlightened masses. It is elected by demonizing its enemies and doling out money and jobs to the masses.
Dennis Prager is a Jew, I think. I don’t know his reason for omitting the synagogue or church. The state has usurped the role of the church in many ways. In the past, the church looked after education (schools and universities), health care (hospitals), social programs, and thought control (yes, some of the US also now have something like Canada’s human rights commissions).
The American people have come out consistently against this legisation on at least a 2-1 margin.
If they continue to ignore the wishes of the people they are in for a world of hurt cause it will be all about repealing them from office in November. And then repealing this piece of crap “reform” as quickly as possible to minimize the damage it would do. Either way I think the pendulum has swung and I see a lot of good coming next November. Long live America the home of the free and the brave. And Godspeed to those who stand up against the statists who would steal upon our rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
the golden rule – the guy with the gold makes the rules – is what governs this Country – everything else and I mean everything is window dressing. Stop wasting time arguing among yourselves and focus on solutions – everyone – everyone agrees health care is crippling the overall economy bleeding the middle class and making business less competitive – here’s a solution to HELP those of us not in politics and who could give a hoot over which side scores political points – vote your pocket books!
“Use Senate reconciliation and expand Medicare via the Senate’s buy-in provisions. The CBO has already signed off on this as a means of saving money.
More importantly, if more Americans can do a buy-in with Medicare, it creates more cost control (because there’s a genuine “public option” competitor).
It also helps to solve the problems of pre-existing conditions, because Medicare does not deny coverage on this basis.
Allowing a Medicare buy-in to Americans under 65 would give people a genuine alternative to private insurance and thereby render the pre-existing question moot.
It would also lower Medicare costs by expanding the risk pool of patients (the great bulk of medical expenses are accounted for by a small number of people, mostly the elderly, requiring very expensive treatment).
And it would substantially enhance the global competitiveness of American corporations. After all, in what other country in the world is health care a marginal cost of production for business?” – Roosevelt Institute Marshall Auerback
Government death panels will determine allowed coverages based on cost to the stae and mandate “Family Planning” that includes denying expensive procedures for the handicapped or those deemed less productive. Money and power is what drives the statist agenda. And in the statist health care, eventually, once you give them control of your medical plan, you “pro-choicers” are gonna find yourselves with mandated abortions based upon economic status. This is not my idea of health care reform? I’d rather take my chances on having no insurance then handing over health care decisions to a government panel.
And from a fiscal standpoint, how could any rational person place their trust in government oversight when same government just got lobbyed by pharmaceutical companies to keep our prescription drug costs 50% higher than neighboring countries pay for the same drugs. Ugh
No, phase out Medicare. Stick to the golden rule: the guy with the stick takes the gold. Therefore, limit the power of the civil government. Live free or die! No slavery for Americans!
from Bojidar Marinov’s American Vision article today:
It all ends when you run out of someone else’s money. And when your soul is dead, you become a slave. And now the Greek government is a slave to its creditors, and the Greek people are becoming slaves of their government. Protests or not, from now on the Greeks will have to live in shackles. High taxes. Pay freezes. No more cash transactions over 1,500 Euro—the government needs to control every transaction. Zero protection for privacy or bank accounts. No more protectionism, no more generosity. Step by step a nation with a bad soul is turning into a slave nation. As was to be expected, if the Greeks had read their Bibles.
from Mark Steyn’s Orange County Register article yesterday:
While Barack Obama was making his latest pitch for a brand new, even more unsustainable entitlement at the health care “summit,” thousands of Greeks took to the streets to riot. An enterprising cable network might have shown the two scenes on a continuous split-screen – because they’re part of the same story. It’s just that Greece is a little further along in the plot: They’re at the point where the canoe is about to plunge over the falls. America is further upstream and can still pull for shore, but has decided, instead, that what it needs to do is catch up with the Greek canoe. Chapter One (the introduction of unsustainable entitlements) leads eventually to Chapter 20 (total societal collapse): The Greeks are at Chapter 17 or 18.
Dennis Prager recently told Republicans the following earlier this month:
Most people on the Left are True Believers. This is critical to understand. They are willing to lose Congress; Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid are prepared to lose both houses to get this through. Why? Because losing an election cycle means nothing compared to taking over more of the American economy.
I can give you an example from our side. There are many folks on our side who, if they could pass an amendment against abortion, would happily sacrifice both houses for a period of time. Understand that just as strongly as some are pro-life or religiously Christian or Jewish, that is how strongly many leftists believe in leftism. Leftism is a substitute religion. For the Left, the “health care” bill transcends politics. You are fighting people who will go down with the ship in order to transform this country to a leftist one. And an ever-expanding state is the Left’s central credo.