Live tweeting abortion, Part IX: “That abortion girl”
Read Part I, Part II, Part III, Part IV, Part V, Part VI, Part VII, Part VIII, and Part X. Pro-lifers can share their thoughts at #livetweetingabortion.
WARNING: Vulgarity ahead.
Here’s the ABC News story about Angie Jackson’s live tweeted abortion. ABC ran it on Sunday night. Who knows whether airing it over a weekend – when nobody’s watching – was intentionally or not.
The story itself was fair, I thought, much more so than ABC’s written account a few days earlier. Cathy Ruse’s clip was great, compassionate.
Remaining unreported by MSM are details of Angie’s experience, one of her reasons for tweeting. Angie’s RU-486 abortion by no means went as smoothly or quickly as she anticipated or was told.
And so we proceed with Angie’s blow-by-blow tweets. I continue to cull from a prolific number to spotlight most important details….
In this segment, 5-6 days into her RU-486 abortion, Angie continues to experience a significant and surprising to her amount of pain and renewed bleeding. She runs through her 1st prescription of 20 Tylenol 3s and requests another from Planned Parenthood. And public interest in Angie’s story picks up. She worries a few times she will come to be known as “the abortion gal/girl.” Her worries are well-founded. She also begins to fixate on moi…
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
Wait, wait, wait – one minute you “tried to send killers to her house”, the next all she faces is “mean names”?
So, if Angie has no regrets about this and was willing to share it with the entire Internet, why doesn’t she want to be known as “the abortion girl”?
I don’t know if anyone else has said this, but I think it needs to be said:
Angie committed a terrible crime when she killed her unborn child.
All human beings, whether we are living through the unborn stage or the born stage, have a fundamental and inalienable right to live our lives, to live a full human lifespan and to be protected from violence by our parents and by the government.
It is a terrible violation of that right (and therefore a crime) for our parents or anyone else to take our lives unjustly in the unborn stage, without biological necessity, without our being a threat to the lives of those who deprive us of life.
The “pro-choice” or “abortion ‘rights'” movement is thus a criminal movement which advocates an enormous level of systematic lethal violence being inflicted on helpless and innocent human beings simply because of the stage of their lives through which they are passing and because of their biological location.
This awful abortionist movement thus must be defeated because it represents a clear and present deadly danger to ALL future members of the human race.
What I get pissed about is how many pro-choice people are made by their terrible mothers telling them about how they killed their siblings, and then telling those people, essentially, “If I hadn’t killed your older sibling, you wouldn’t exist.” Like a sort of “You think mommy’s abortion is good…OR ELSE.” It’s sickening.
The thing that keeps going through my head is the future.
I know many women who felt as she does today…abortion is legal and ok, to only hit a wall of pain years later. The difference will be they did it in private and she is public and it is forever public.
If and when she hits that wall I hope she will realize there is help out there for her and that most in the Pro-life community would be the first to embrace her and help her. Her pride is only going to hurt her more.
She needs are prayers.
oh, and also it’s great they’re all “Pro-lifers haet siyance! learn2siyance, m’kay?” and then say something like “It wasn’t a human, it was just an egg” or stating that the baby was in a stage of development it most definitely wasn’t in at that point. How do THEY always get away with it when WE are presenting facts?
One last night said something particularly ignorant to a prolifer “Would you order eggs at a restaurant and expect to be served chicken?” to which I retorted “Would you order boiled eggs and expect to be served Balut(en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balut_%28egg%29)?” and got no answer for her, then gave up because I cannot communicate properly in 140 character sentence snippets.
If she’s taking 3-4 narcotics/day for a typical period she needs to find a new OB who will help her with her dysmenorrhea. It is not normal, nor healthy.
what is a full time blogger as a profession? I am trying to understand that LOL
I have to dig up writing work via freelancing and I see no business ads on her blog?
Is Angie going to know when to go in if the bleeding does not stop? I am a little concerned at what she is stating is a normal period. Doesn’t sound normal to me either, Lauren.
Where can I buy horse eggs?
Though she claims to be an atheist, she speaks as though she is angry at God and is actually killing her baby to offend God.
She got her fifteen minutes- please go back into obscurity again. I would rather see positive news stories instead of yet another John and Kate, Octomon, Heene parents, et cetera…
Blatant grabs for attention have no business being on the nightly news, really.
Posted by: xalisae at March 2, 2010 7:44 AM
Yes. Absolutely. I remember seeing a picture here from some pro-abort counter-protest of a child holding a sign that said “I was a CHOICE.” and it made my blood run cold. What a horrible thing to say to your own child! “You were my choice and I could have unchosen you if I’d wanted. You owe me everything forever.” It’s a possessive, selfish, terrifying ownership claim to put on your own children. And these kids are going to grow up realizing that on some level.
LOL, CC :)
“Though she claims to be an atheist, she speaks as though she is angry at God and is actually killing her baby to offend God.”
I’ve never met an atheist who wasn’t enraged at their own father. It seems to be a common thread among them. For most, it’s a reactionary existence.
I pity this poor woman. This was genuinely an act of vengeance, one she will live to regret in future years. She has a “man” who was willing to pay for the slaughter, which represents a fundamental disconnect in both of these individuals-especially since she has already had a child and knows.
Now, she’s still bleeding, still in need of opiates. Women pay the terrible price in their bodies, minds and souls all the time. And if it gets too much, the guy is off to greener pastures.
Some choice.
I’m sorry, but I think this woman and the whole affair is repulsive.
“What I get pissed about is how many pro-choice people are made by their terrible mothers telling them about how they killed their siblings, and then telling those people, essentially, “If I hadn’t killed your older sibling, you wouldn’t exist.” Like a sort of ‘You think mommy’s abortion is good…OR ELSE.’ It’s sickening.”
I was only able to be conceived because my mother had a miscarriage a few months before. That’s part of why I would never dismiss an unborn child as “not a real person” or “cells”; I got the life that somebody else didn’t get to have.
I think it’s warped and creepy to tell your kid(s) that you aborted their sibling(s). I knew this girl in college who said once that her parents got pregnant with her when they were in grad school, and “at first they didn’t know what they were going to do, but then they decided to have me.” This other girl said, “It’s good that they considered their options, though,” and the first girl replied, “Yeah, that was good.” I was like, what is WRONG with you people? “My parents considered killing me, but then decided to let me be born.” “It’s good that they considered killing you, though.” “Yeah, that was good. Can you pass the salt?”
Michael Moriarty (of original cast of “Law & Order” fame) had an article on Big Hollywood a few months back where he talked about how his parents (who were both alcoholics) told him and his sister that his mother had had several abortions throughout the course of the marriage. You can imagine what THAT revelation did to the parent/child relationship…
Jesus weeps.
At what point are people going to see that with nine long entries and counting on Angie, it’s you fixating on her, not the other way around?
Violet: Who cares? It’s a pro-life blog, where people discuss – shock! – issues related to abortion. Besides, it’s a long story that keeps continuing. Why would Jill quit posting about it when it’s still going on?
I weep as well.
People do not realize the gravity of the spiritual war we are in.
Her child was a gift – a precious, unique, gift. Someone blessed with talents and gifts with which to love and serve others. Someone to make our world a more beautiful place.
She was entrusted with that child, to nurture and care for him/her.
She killed her innocent child.
Lord, have mercy.
Lauren and Carla,
I share your concerns. I hope Angie has seen an OB/GYN for follow-up care. Praying she gets well soon.
Violet, as Marauder said, this is something I’m committed to seeing through to the end, which is near I’m happy to report. Ask Angie and she’ll agree she never expected this to last so long – because she wasn’t properly educated about her upcoming RU-486 abortion.
You’re missing my point, guys. I’m just responding to the statement that “She also begins to fixate on moi…” — seems like she’s not the one doing the fixating here.
Don’t worry, there are plenty of us pro-choicers who will also be seeing this through to the end and through the women who follow Angie’s path. As we have been doing since the beginning. (Shocker: she’s not the only woman live-tweeting her abortion, nor will she be the last to do it.)
Violet, if she’s not to be the last woman to tweet her abortion, well then don’t expect the principle of a “private decision between a woman and her doctor” to resonate with anyone.
Just because you had a life threatening pregnancy in your past, that does not mean you will have another life threatening pregnancy now. And, just for the record, the Catholic church supports abortion to save the life of the mother.
Angie,
If you’re reading any posts here, I have a couple questions:
If you are so concerned about your health and wanting to stay alive for your son; ever consider quitting the cancer sticks?
Were you taking all of your narcotics while at home caring for you son by yourself? Narcotics + exhaustion + forgotten cigarette = house fire. How safe is that for your son.
Just exactly what was it during your last pregnancy/delivery that almost caused you to die?
That’s right, Cranky, if this is such a private decision, why is she tweeting it?
Hey Marauder,
I told my children so they will join me in the fight for the unborn. My oldest two are becoming just as passionate.
If a woman tells her children so they know It Could Have Been Them then, yeah….sick.
Jill,
God Bless you for sifting through piles of banal tweets to crystalize the story for us. Talk about Lenten penance!!
In the ABC spot, I thought Cathy Ruse was the true face of the pro-life movement. Speaking of faces, Angie’s homemade and ABC pieces show two very different looking women. ABC really softened her image, through make-up changes and the wardrobe chosen. I guess that helps sell the RU-486 angle by making Angie seem less hardened.
The special needs child angle was interesting as well. My oldest has autism, and his younger sisters have been at least as much a part of his growth as the therapies. They love him, and have helped teach him to reciprocate that love. That’s something no therapist can teach.
When my wife and I are old or dead, it will be my daughters who will look out for their brother. He’ll never be bereft of love.
Angie, in killing her baby, has done her son a great disservice and robbed him of a dimension in life that neither she, nor any parent may fulfill. If his needs were indeed her motivation, she may well have impoverished him in ways unimaginable.
Will the he-man who ponied up the money for the abortion be there for this boy over the next thirty years?
When pigs fly.
Sadly, we who follow this website cared more about Angie’s baby than she did herself.
Violet,
Jill isn’t claiming that Angie is sending trained Choice-ninjas over to her house to assassinate her any minute.
Just as with any other recommendation from pro-choicers telling us to sit down and shut up, we will not listen. I think Ms. Jackson is a lovely new face for the pro-life movement in that, her face isn’t that lovely at all.
Carla: I wasn’t thinking of something like that – that’s different.
This makes me so upset.
I had this same abortion about two years ago and from the moment that I decided to do it I regretted it, I felt like a hypocrite because I have always been pro life and then I did that. I wish I could turn back time, but I can’t.
I just can’t believe this girl, she has no regret and she seems to be more worried about her Tylenol 3 and
her Vicodin than the unborn baby that is dying inside of her.
I can say that I honestly believe that having an abortion, (no matter at what stage of the pregnancy) is a sad and tragic.
This woman makes me so frustrated because not only did she have an abortion and decide to tell her friends/followers about this but it almost seems as though she is proud, I guess I just don’t understand.
like I had mentioned I had had an abortion in the past and I regret it with every fiber in my body, and i
promised myself that I would do whatever I could to stop another person from making the same mistake I did.
I found out I was about five weeks along a month ago, I was so excited and happy I wanted this baby more than most anything. I knew that the new baby would not replace the baby that I aborted two years ago, as he/she still holds a special place in my heart.
This time I was going to make the right decision. Then I got what seemed like a menstrual period, I was worried but still had hope because I had heard that a lot of women bleed during early pregnancy and go on to have perfectly healthy baby’s.
The bleeding stopped for a couple of days then turned into spotting, so I went to the hospital and after a lot of arguing with them they finally let me do a blood test to check my hCG levels the first test was at 80 which was extremely low for being that far along but I thought I miss calculated, the second test was taken three day later came out to be only at 90, it only went up ten when it is supposed to double or at least go up by sixty%. I made an appointment with the OBGYN who took another hCG blood test witch came out to 50. Not good. I spoke with the OBGYN and he then told me that I was most likely having a miscarriage. I was I Am DEVASTATED, that was one week ago today.
I don’t know what to do with myself. I wish I knew my baby I wish others knew my baby. Barley anyone even knew I was pregnant, because it was so early and I didn’t want to say anything to anyone before we knew that it was a viable pregnancy.
I can’t help to think, that maybe I got what I deserved. My mom said that God does not work like that.
Anyways sorry my story took so long to tell.
I think that the thing that bothers me the most about this girl is that she keeps on saying that the fetus was only 4 weeks old so it was not a baby, it was not alive.
so is she telling me that my baby was not alive when it died at five weeks? Should all those mothers that lost their babies at or before four weeks not grieve? Because their unborn baby’s not in fact a baby because it was only 4 weeks old, so therefore it was not a life worth caring for or caring about.
I could go on and on.
I am only 21 years old. I’m young but even I know the importance of human life.
My baby was five weeks when he or she died, but from week one and yes even week four I had a bond with my baby and it grew stronger by the second. I knew that I had to protect it and nurture it. It’s too bad that your baby’s mother did not understand her duties as a MOTHER.
Kirsten,
I am very sorry to hear about the loss of your children. I cannot take grief from you, but I will pray for you and ask God to shower you with His love and mercy.
I would suggest, especially now after this miscarriage, to contact Project Rachel:
http://www.hopeafterabortion.com/
It is sponsored by the Catholic Church, but is programmed to help all women who are suffering from the after-effects of abortion. With this miscarriage, it may be a good resource to work through your grief both for this child and for your little one from a few years ago. God bless.
Kirsten @ 2:50PM,
I’m so sorry for the pain you are experiencing from you miscarriage. Your mother is right, you did not “get what you deserved”.
Hopefully women reading your post and considering abortion will decide to choose LIFE for their baby and realize the gift it truly is because of your thoughtful comments. You will be a wonderful mother someday because you will appreciate your child(ren) all the more for your experiences. God bless. Peace to you.
Did anyone see cnn yesterday? There is a new bill in MA that theres law maker that wants to make misscarriages a crime of murder and it can over turn row v. wade.
Dear Kirsten,
Thank you for sharing your heart here. I am so, so sorry. I am praying for you.
“Did anyone see cnn yesterday?”
It was on in the background while I was at Burger King, but no, I try and avoid Wolf Blitzer and his beard.
Kirsten,
Thank you for having the courage to stand up after you’ve realized your mistake…and sharing your story here. I am sorry to hear about your miscarriage…and I hope and pray that you find peace in the coming days…
Would highly recommend Project Rachel, as Michael mentioned earlier. God Bless.
Kirsten: I am so sorry to hear about both your babies. Like your mom, I don’t think God works like that. I hope that someday you’ll be able to experience being able to hold your child in your arms, and I hope that the father of the second baby is someone who loves you and will help you through this. If he’s not, I hope that you find a wonderful man who will be a loving father to your future children.
ASC: I believe it’s about miscarriages caused by reckless behavior, not miscarriages, period.
Kirsten, I’m so sorry to hear about your experience. I can’t imagine how hard it has been for you. My best and oldest friend has miscarried four babies, and watching her go through that pain I have some small understanding of how difficult it can be.
ASC: Utah is in the process of doing the same thing. It is the definition of “reckless” that is concerning — women who don’t leave an abusive relationship knowing they are pregnant and then miscarry because of physical abuse could go to jail. As long as a woman knows she is pregnant, she can be prosecuted for anything under the sun that prosecutors decide is “reckless”. You can read more here: http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/2/24/840197/-Please-Help:-Utah-defines-miscarriage-as-criminal-homicide
If she’s taking 3-4 narcotics/day for a typical period she needs to find a new OB who will help her with her dysmenorrhea. It is not normal, nor healthy.
Posted by: Lauren at March 2, 2010 8:36 AM
Lauren,
I totally agree. Although I think Angie was exaggerating and trying to imply that she takes 3-4 OTC ibuprofen or acetaminophen in a day with an average period.
Still, I have never once used all of my narcotics prescribed for any procedure. Not for dental surgery, not for a broken and dislocated finger, not for anything. Doctors tend not to prescribe less medication than they expect you to need. I’m wondering if PP didn’t prescribe sufficient pain medication or if she simply enjoyed popping the pills? Either way, it’s not particularly good. And if she is accustomed to particularly difficult periods, I’m disinclined to think that she has a lower pain threshold…
I hope Angie’s follow-up tomorrow goes better than her last few weeks have gone. And I hope that when she *does* seek help, someone is there to guide her.
Lord, please reach out and touch the heart of this young woman. Help her to find You in Your compassion and love. I ask you to heal the pain that keeps her from seeking You, Lord. She is looking for love, God; please help her to find You. Amen.
Kirsten,
For as tragic as your abortion has been, it is not so big that it cannot be drowned in the ocean of God’s Love and Mercy. There are several healing ministries for women who have had abortions. Rachel’s Vineyard is the most well-known. I am linking to it below and urge you to contact them.
http://www.rachelsvineyard.org/
Also, check out this site:
http://www.postabortionhealing.net/
Your desire to help other women decide their pregnancies differently is a good and noble thing. You should do it. But first, you MUST walk the road of your own pain and healing before you can be an effective witness to others.
Also, if you attempt to help others before you have gone through your own process of healing (and it is a process, not an event), you will find yourself ill-equipped to handle the frustrations and failures to convince everyone. Each failure to do so can become a reliving of the guilt in your own experience.
With the love and guidance of your older and more experienced sisters, you WILL heal, and be a most effective witness for life. It will also make you a more peaceful mother in the future.
Call Rachel’s Vineyard soon, and know that here on Jill’s blog you have a very warm, loving and supportive family already lifting you up in prayer.
God Bless.
Kirsten, I’m so sorry to hear about both of your losses. Thank you for having the courage to share your story. Others have listed some great resources to help you find healing. Know that we’re all here for your too during this difficult time. *hugs*
Kirsten,
Bethany and I are moderators here and have both experienced miscarriage. I have also had an abortion that I regret. If you would like to email either of us we can be found here.
carla@jillstanek.com
bethany@jillstanek.com
“This makes me so upset.
I had this same abortion about two years ago and from the moment that I decided to do it I regretted it, I felt like a hypocrite because I have always been pro life and then I did that. I wish I could turn back time, but I can’t.”
God loves you Kirsten! You are in my prayers.
I’m wondering if after all of this she’ll have to get a D&C tomorrow. I hope for her sake she doesn’t, but the whole thing is just so tragic.
Perhaps the ibuprofen she keeps popping isn’t such a good idea when you’re “bleeding”.
I’m still confused about her trying to “demistify” the abortion….I was never really mystified…were you?
I think this whole thing is just weird….that someone would tweet while having an abortion…or that anybody would follow it.
In some ways, I feel like we are just contributing to this little evil fest by giving her the attention she so craves. Just sayin.
“What I get pissed about is how many pro-choice people are made by their terrible mothers telling them about how they killed their siblings, and then telling those people, essentially, “If I hadn’t killed your older sibling, you wouldn’t exist.” Like a sort of “You think mommy’s abortion is good…OR ELSE.” It’s sickening.”
I remember reading pro-Tiller the baby killer blogs saying they are thankful for doctors like him in that they could abort their babies, so they can have the children that they have now, and that when they look at their children they are thankful for those abortions or otherise those children would not exist today.
In their warp mindsets, they see that as expressing love for their children.
Actually, it is not love for them. It is narcissism and self-centeredness. Another way to put it is that had those children been the ones in the wombs back then, they would have been the ones killed if they get in the way of their mothers’ convenience, and in those cases I read none of them involve danger to mother’s life.
So much for the myth by pro-abortionists that Tiller only did the extreme cases of late term abortions.
It’s too bad Angie won’t see the outpouring of love and grace for post-abortive women displayed here.
Kristen I am so sorry for both of your losses.
KT,
You can be certain the people on this site will give Angie that same outpouring of love when she expresses remorse.
Till then she gets the tough love. Sure we feel bad for her; but her main purpose in tweeting it seems to be to scorn the people who would care….incuding God! Sout to Erin if you are reading this Just as an fyi; I saw some of that same anger and resentment against God in some of your posts when I first came on this board a couple years ago. I would like to tell you something a priest told me recently. “God hasn’t given up on you”
Should have said SHOUT to Erin!!!
KT,
My heart aches for Angie and other post abortive women. Many that I know are too hardened, angry, bitter and in my face to want my help. So I wait. Wait until a day when they don’t want to run anymore. They know where to find me.
truthseeker,
Someone that posts here Jill Guidry? offered to adopt Angie’s baby!! She was scorned. And they say we have no compassion for women.
10 Hear the word of the LORD,
you rulers of Sodom;
listen to the law of our God,
you people of Gomorrah!
16 wash and make yourselves clean.
Take your evil deeds
out of my sight!
Stop doing wrong,
17 learn to do right!
Seek justice,
encourage the oppressed. [a]
Defend the cause of the fatherless,
plead the case of the widow.
18 “Come now, let us reason together,”
says the LORD.
“Though your sins are like scarlet,
they shall be as white as snow;
though they are red as crimson,
they shall be like wool.
19 If you are willing and obedient,
you will eat the best from the land;
20 but if you resist and rebel,
you will be devoured by the sword.”
For the mouth of the LORD has spoken.
Isaiah 1: 10; 16-20
Wait, I was angry? When was this? Me?
Wait, I was angry? When was this? Me? Or is there a different Erin?
I think it is you, Erin. Truthseeker has always really liked you and cared about you, and even though I know that you may disagree with what he is saying, I hope you know that it is at least out of love for you :)
I am so convinced of the truth of what I wrote that I had to write it twice!!!
Angie just announced that she got the all clear from Planned Parenthood.
I wonder how Angie will celebrate??
Erin,
lol. maybe you and were just trying to get a rise out of me when I first came on this blog. It was just a couple posts where I sensed a resentment that God had let you down. May the peace of the Lord be with you today Erin!
Just curious: How often do you name abortions? Is there a specific ritual? Do you register them somewhere?
FYI
Carla has had an abortion and 2 miscarriages.
Bethany has NOT had an abortion but has had miscarriages as well.
Dearest Critter,
If you are serious I can let you know about that. OR are you just havin some fun at the expense of post abortive moms??
Oh btw Critter,
Nobody names an abortion. A child that dies in an abortion deserves a name.
Critter,
I had my daughter’s name picked out and addressed her as such before she was born, as do many other parents. Aborted humans deserve that same amount of respect, dignity, and recognition, even if they couldn’t get it from their parents.
Me too, Xalisae. There are studies and ultrasound images of babies smiling in utero at the sound of their mothers voice speaking and especially singing, and studies that prove they remember the songs after birth. Proaborts cant stand anything that proves the humanity of the unborn, threatens their ‘equal rights for me but none for thee’ agenda.
maybe she will have an “abortion” party
her bf will invite her friends, his friends, PP…..
“@AssassinGrl oh FOX asked – I just didn’t answer them lol. I’m trying to reach people who will get this, not walk into a lion’s den.”
One of Angie’s latest posts. Apparently she wasn’t as happy with ABC’s story on her as she expected because she seems to be swearing off all future interviews.
“@rodiell heh. Let’s just say media are exhausting & death threats aren’t fun. I’m not about to go in hiding but I’m done w/new interviews”
Carla, check out this story!
http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2010/mar/10030309.html
Here’s a post abortion ritual for you, Critter.
Hang around Buddhists for a long time and you find out about this stuff.
http://www.shoken.dk/index.php?id=96 .. Learn about mizuko kuyo, a practice started in Japan and now spreading to the U.S.
By the way, women who miscarry also sometimes do the ritual. Non buddhists sometimes do it, just because their own religion doesn’t address the loss so concretely.
Angel,
Wow!! Very powerful and I am so glad she kept her baby!! :)
Yikes critter, that’s a bit harsh, no? I think you need to fight for your cause without disrespecting those who oppose it. I mean, to disrespect someone who clearly wants a child and has suffered loss is not the way to go. Just saying.
I had an abortion in 1991.
My sister had an abortion in 1975.
My grandmother had several abortions in the 1920s.
I give you permission to name any or all of them.
critter,
How old were they when they were killed?
FYI, I lost a baby at 20 weeks gestation and named him Gabriel. He was cremated and buried in the cemetery in the grave with my father and we named him Gabriel.
“It’s too bad Angie won’t see the outpouring of love and grace for post-abortive women displayed here.
Kristen I am so sorry for both of your losses.”
Truthseeker,
If you thought I was being sarcastic when I said that I wasn’t.
I’m sorry for the losses you and your family have suffered, even if you aren’t. Your child would be the age of my youngest sister. She recently started college and married her high school sweetheart. She’s very social, so I’m sure she would’ve loved to have met your child.
All of those humans you talk about as nothing more than abortions would’ve had lives just like all of us, would’ve loved and been loved, had good days and bad days, been doctors, lawyers, McDonald’s employees and janitors. None better than others, all of us human. I am sorry for our world to be without them.
KT,
We can only pray that she will
*TO ALL-
I would like to thank all of you for all of your kind words they are greatly appreciated. After reading all of the replied posts, I smiled, it was the first time I had a true smile in the last couple of weeks. And I would like to thank you all for that.
I was wondering about some ideas you might have or have done with memorial services for both my aborted baby and my miscarried baby because I would like to do something to remember my unborn babies by.
My boyfriend and I both have matching tattoos for the aborted child witch I love. My boyfriend would like us to get another one for the miscarriage, and we probably will. but I want something like a service almost as well as some sort of a keep sake.
There is a cemetery near by that has a grave stone marked/saved for unborn children due to abortion and/or miscarriage. I would like something a little more personal.
Post here or email me at
kirstenfawley@live.com
Thanks much
With Love
Kirsten:
I can’t understand everything you are going through, because I have never had an abortion, but I believe I have had nine very early losses (the latest at 3 weeks past conception), so I do understand some of your pain. And I also suffer from some guilt. I didn’t know that there were pills and medications that might have kept those miscarriages from happening. I didn’t know that there were dietary changes–including cutting sugar, which everyone knows is good for you anyway–that might have saved my children’s lives. I was under the care of a doctor who didn’t believe I was having losses, and I stayed because she was supposed to be pro-life, until I had a positive pregnancy test and she still told me I hadn’t been pregnant, and then “maybe it was a chemical pregnancy.” But what if I had tried to find other help sooner, or even just plugged the right words into a google search, as I finally did years later? But I can’t change any of that; I am just trying to the best I can for my two living children, whom I love dearly, and making sure that if I do or have conceived, that child will have a chance.
I never had any service for my children. I don’t remember the dates when they died–usually–because it would just be depressing. Although come to think of it, Ebenezer died just a year and a few days ago… which I remember because that was my “period” before my son was born. I got to see one of my children, I think. I saved her in a little plastic bag. Her name was Ruby. I took that bag with me when I went to see the doctor, but she didn’t believe I’d been pregnant.
I would have buried her, but it was winter…. so I flushed my daughter.
Yeah, I wish there were better ways to deal with miscarriage.
I also took birth control pills for a year, before I knew they could kill babies. But I knew they were wrong, deep down, I think, even when everyone I trusted told me I should use them… I don’t know if they killed any of my children.
I don’t believe I got what I deserve. I don’t deserve a loving husband who stood by me for all of that, or two beautiful children, or a nice house, or anything good. I am a sinner–we all are–I have done many things wrong, things that (unlike action or inaction that may have led to my children’s deaths) I knew were wrong when I did them. So I deserve, whatever good I have also done, to go to hell.
But there is another thing that I have that I didn’t deserve–the love of God. Even when I mocked him, God loved me and was reaching for me. Whatever I have done he has been there, caring for me, even when I did not know it. He loved me so much that He voluntarily sent His own son away to death–for me. And Jesus gave up His life, though He was God and the Son of God, so that I might have eternal life. And He did the same for you. So through Christ, we can be forgiven of every wrong, great and small, those we knew we committed and those that everyone told us were not wrong.
(By the way, you probably don’t have to worry about sugar unless you have diabetes or a pre-diabetic condition; I have PCOS and gestational diabetes, which means that my body doesn’t handle sugars (and complex sugars like carbs) as well as it should.)
I know it doesn’t answer your question exactly, Kirsten, but Georgia Right to Life has a virtual Holocaust Memorial wall where people can name their babies: https://www.personhood.net/campaigns/memorial/
ycw, I’m sorry for all you’ve been through. You’ve hit the nail right on the head with your explanations.
God’s mercy: NOT giving us what we do deserve (separation from Him, hell)
God’s grace: giving us what we DON’T deserve (salvation, eternal life in His presence)
I am so humbled and thankful for those truths; He loves us that much!