Planned Parenthood “loves” and “celebrates” 4,000 years of abortion
Planned Parenthood of the Rocky Mountains was tweeting about the new website, 4000 Years For Choice, which celebrates the history of abortion.
PP and pro-aborts want it both ways.
As LiveAction.org points out, they on the one hand insist on the “sanitized label of ‘pro-choice'” to hide the fact that they are actually pro-abortion, and on the other hand among themselves say they “love” a site that “celebrates” abortion.
And my, does 4000 Years for Choice celebrate abortion, with posters that “Cherish,” “Praise,” “Honor,” “Rejoice,” and “Love, Love Love” the act that massacres preborn children.
[HT: LiveAction.org]
Sep.16, 2010 9:24 am |
Inconsistencies, Industry watch |
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
Wow… this goes back to the post from last proliferations where they use sacred words to describe that which is not sacred…like abortion.
They do this so they can argue, “See? Abortion’s nothing new! It’s been around for THOUSANDS of years!” As if that makes a difference in its rightness or wrongness…
Well, so have rape and murder, but I don’t see much celebration and “love, love, love” over those violations.
Choice is only 4000 years old? Man has been around for hundreds of thousands of years and has been choosing to bear children.
Oh I forgot. It’s only choice when the choice is abortion.
Choice is a euphemism for abortion. Period. That’s all it is. They are pro-abortion. If they think abortion is a God-given right, why don’t they just call themselves “pro-abortion”? Why the obfuscation? Pro-abort thinking really makes me ill.
The pro-choice side has to get their message together – is abortion no big deal, something to celebrate, or a personal and sometimes tragic decision?
Marauder,
They just can’t seem to get it together can they? FOCUS proaborts!! Pick a message, pick a catch phrase, pick a philosophy and stick with it.
Marauder, I ask that all the time. Isn’t it a “personal” decision? Then why make T-shirts that gleefully announce you’ve had an abortion? Is it difficult? Is it none of our business? How anyone, with our knowledge of fetal development, can support such a disgusting procedure is beyond me. It really blows my mind sometimes.
Marauder and Carla,
I was nodding in agreement at your comments. You might appreciate this.
http://www.catholic.org/national/national_story.php?id=38163
Regarding that wicked new website, I am just speechless at their unadulterated glee over killing babies. How many inventive ways can mankind come up with to kill children? Let’s count! Oh, through the years how clever and resourceful people have been in the pursuit of murder!
Blech.
The website does talk about contraception, which I generally don’t have a problem with, but the “unadulterated glee over killing babies,” as Jennifer so aptly put it, is bizarre and very disturbing.
Lord Jesus, Come Quickly!
A celebration of 4000 years of the deaths of so many people! A celebration of back-alley abortions and procedures that FREQUENTLY ended in death/sterilization of the mother. A celebration of stripping humans of their dignity. “Life is subject to whim. Fertility is overrated. Sex is trivial and fun, nothing more. The soul is a lie.” :(
It hurts to think about. It makes a heart weep. Lord, open the hearts of Your people. Fill us with Your Grace. Help us to know Your Mercy. Show us Truth, Lord. We have made a mockery of Your gifts. We have turned sexuality to sinful purposes. We have made barren our wombs. We have worked so very hard to separate ourselves from you.Have Mercy, O Lord! Father, bring us back to Your table.
There are novels that have been published in the last couple decades where characters are written to get or give abortions, where the characters live in ancient times and places, like Egypt (“Nefertiti”). Only in this fiction has abortion been around for a long time.
In the real world that we all actually live in, the archeological evidence all points in one direction: INFANTICIDE.
Abortion is modern, although probably a few dozen women tried it before the 20th century. Remember Chang and Eng, the famous conjoined twins? Though the connection between them was very small, they were both unwilling to have surgery and risk infection. Up to and during the Civil War, the deadliest risk of any kind of surgical procedure was infection/sepsis. The risk of drinking potions and poisons was death. So once again, the pro-aborts prove their ignorance and their gullibility. Take heart, Mary Rose, although the 20th century has witnessed millions of deaths (which is pretty awful), women don’t have that much blood on their hands from previous centuries.
Jennifer,
Thank you for the link!! Excellent article!! I have doula friends and I sent them the quotes from the “abortion doula.” Probably goes without saying that they were completely disgusted!!
Kel et al., slavery has been around for thousands of years, and it’s still practiced even in this country, unfortunately. Does that make it a good thing?
Upon closer inspection of the LOVE,LOVE,LOVE poster which is pictured above, click on it and read the small print. It tells the story of a plant which was discovered in ancient times that could be used as a contraceptive and abortive. It was harvested and sold for abortions, making many people rich. WITHIN 600 YEARS IT WAS HARVESTED INTO EXTINCTION!!! Their own greed and willingness to kill babies brought about an end to their ability to do it!! I love the irony in that!!
I agree with previous commenters . . . the entire Joy, Love, Happiness feel of this vile celebration of 4000 years of abortion is creepy and disgusting! Even in the story of this abortive plant, they remark on the “heart-shaped seed”, like that is something cute or sweet about using it for abortions. Sick, just sick!
Yes, there were abortions in the ancient world (trust a historian here). If there weren’t, the early Church would not have had to forbid them so often, as it did repeatedly even during the first centuries. Hippocrates also had to forbid doctors to perform them (the Hippocratic oath).
Jane308 is right, though — most abortions were probably chemical, not surgical. Potions, herbs, pessaries and the like.
Lori, I concede that there were some. I’ve read ancient texts (Josephus, Eusebius, just to name a couple) in addition to the Bible, and have found many references to infanticide (such as leaving a baby outside, called “exposure.”). Archeological findings also indicate full term children. Abortion as we would understand it was actually rare. (For you ‘choice’ advocates out there that’s the real meaning of the word rare which means rare, not the pro-abort meaning of rare which is over 50 million. When Hilary Clinton jabbers on about rare, it makes me laugh, because that would mean that McDonalds rarely sells hamburgers and Adidas rarely sells sneakers).
The history of “Jane” is a story of bored, unhappy housewives in Chicago and suburbs who decided their mission would be killing their neighbors’ and friends’ innocent babies, teaching others how to do so. Read the history of JANE and be prepared to WEEP.
Lord have mercy on those women (and men, too) who worked to normalize abortion to bring it where it is today. Have mercy on policemen, nurses and doctors, and family members who looked the other way instead of standing up for life and recognizing the HOPE that LIFE brings.
Hm. I thought the party line was, “No one is pro-abortion”…
Odd to say that, and then have a 100-point-font, written “love fest” on their poster of “celebration”.
It really seems that the abortion-tolerant side is getting more unhinged by the day.
Never forget just how racist the founders of Planned Parenthood were- one more reason they LOVE abortion is because they use it as a tool of Black Genocide . Watch Maafa21 http://www.maafa21.com
Lipstick on a pig!
Jane308, you must have good eyes, because I can barely read that poster!
Anyway, it does seem that these women are all about abortion. “Reproductive rights” also means the choice to bear children, too, correct?
Too bad the website didn’t have the glands to finish Madame Restelle’s story.
From Wikipedia:
Following her arrest in early 1878, a maid discovered Restell in the bathtub at her Fifth Avenue home; she had slit her own throat on the morning of April 1, 1878.
Joy, Love, and Happiness indeed.
What’s wrong with calling it 4,000 years of abortion? If you are going to promote killing babies you might as well have the balls to call it what it is.
Kel et al., slavery has been around for thousands of years, and it’s still practiced even in this country, unfortunately. Does that make it a good thing?
Exactly, Phillymiss. Oh, but you’re not supposed to compare slavery in ANY WAY to abortion!! SHHH!! Don’t you know the pro-aborts will have conniptions?? :D
I notice they can spend all this money on this vile campaign, but not a copy editor. It should read “its cultivation”, not “it’s”. Thanks for butchering the English language, baby killers!
There’s two things the butchers really love:
– money
– power
They have no love for the women ( up to 60%) who had abortions under coercion and duress.
http://www.unfairchoice.info/Coerced.htm
The pro-abortion supporters who turn a blind eye to the suffering of other women are simply nuts.
Charity and medicine have also been around for thousands of years Kel, what’s your point?
‘It’s only choice when the choice is abortion’ – living up to your pseudonym there Cranky Catholic?
‘Choice is a euphemism for abortion’ – that simply isn’t true MaryLee.
‘Isn’t it a “personal” decision? Then why make T-shirts’ – so is voting but look at all the placards and t-shirts at anti-Obama rallies.
‘Abortion is modern, although probably a few dozen women tried it before the 20th century’ – say what! Where do you get that idea ninek? Even Lori disagrees with you.
Hi Ninek.
Have you ever seen the Didache? It’s the “teachings of the apostles” dated to either the late 1st or early 2nd century. It was one of the many books that was thought by some in the early church to possibly be part of scripture. Anyway, it directly condemns abortion “…you shall not murder a child by abortion nor kill that which is born.” making a clear distinction between killing a child which is born and one which is not born. It’s a great, short read http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0714.htm
Cranium, “choice” IS a euphemism for abortion. “Choice” is used in place of and instead of the word “abortion.” It isn’t about “choice,” it’s about the right to abort, period. I believe in lots of choices. I don’t believe in the choice to abort, just like I don’t believe in the choice to rape, or the choice to beat your child, or the choice to smoke crack. It is PRO-ABORTION, period. The only choice that is touted and celebrated is ABORTION. Should a woman CHOOSE life, she’s ridiculed (see Pam Tebow, for example).
Charity and medicine have also been around for thousands of years Kel, what’s your point?
Um, pretty sure I already said what my point was.
Yes, you attempt to equate abortion with rape and murder. Charity and medicine have also been around for thousands of years. Shall I equate them to rape and murder?
Abortion is a violation against nature and a violation against human life. Do you consider charity and medicine to be the equivalent of this?
Is dismemberment usually considered charity and medicine?
I don’t consider abortion a violation against nature or a violation against human life. So I don’t consider rape and murder to be the equivalent of it.
Then what is abortion, cranium? And how is forcibly dilating a woman’s cervix and vacuuming out the human life contained within *not* a violation against the nature of reproduction?
You do know they have to dismember these unborn humans beginning at about 8 weeks, correct? And if they are only “potential” life, then are they not alive? So again, is dismemberment usually considered charity and medicine?
“Have you ever seen the Didache? It’s the “teachings of the apostles” dated to either the late 1st or early 2nd century. It was one of the many books that was thought by some in the early church to possibly be part of scripture. Anyway, it directly condemns abortion “…you shall not murder a child by abortion nor kill that which is born.” making a clear distinction between killing a child which is born and one which is not born”
So, God cut that part out in the final edit?
“So, God cut that part out in the final edit?”
Oh, Hal. You’re above that.
How is cutting someone open, pulling their femur out of their hip, sawing off the top, drilling a hole down the femur, hammering in a metal stake with a ball at the top then thumping it into the hip socket not a violation of physiology?
Yes, fetuses are torn apart. In some cases it is charity and medicine yes. It certainly isn’t rape or murder.
Cranium – well it’s kind of different. You hip stays as your hip, albeit a somewhat improved version. The baby in your womb – not a part of the mother, but an individual totally dependent on its mother – is deprived of its life.
Oh, and getting a hip replacement usually takes place with anaesthesia, but the baby in the womb gets none as it is ripped apart or poisoned/burned.
In all 3 cases – rape, murder and abortion – the victim is not consulted if he/she “consents” to what is about to be done to them. So there is a commonality in terms of the 3 acts in terms of rights and violation of those rights.
“So, God cut that part out in the final edit?”
I suppose you can think of it that way, Hal. Some books were thought to be scripture that aren’t, some we thought to not be scripture that were. This is a matter of human beings recognizing what the canon of scripture is as opposed to what God decreed is scripture. The books of scripture really existed in the second century, but human beings didn’t yet recognize WHAT they were. Ontology vs Epistemology.
cranium
September 16th, 2010 at 9:39 pm
Yes, you attempt to equate abortion with rape and murder. Charity and medicine have also been around for thousands of years. Shall I equate them to rape and murder?
You’re pretty much making the original point, here. Abortion has been around for thousands of years. So what? That doesn’t make it right. And in terms of “things that have been around for thousands of years,” yes, abortion, charity, rape, murder, and medicine may all be spoken of in the same breath. They all fit the criteria of having been around for thousands of years. That says nothing to the morality of them, or whether they should be legal or not. Which was the original point. Which clearly sailed over your head.
It’s worth pointing out here that the pro-life movement has also been around for thousands of years. It used to be common, in places like Rome or Greece, to abandon unwanted babies. Women would just leave infants by the side of a road. The Early Church would often send people out to search sites where children were likely to be abandoned, and when they found these children, would take them in and raise them.
Abortion has not existed unopposed for thousands of years and we’re only just now waking up to fight it. It’s always been wrong, and there have always been people willing to say that and to fight against it.
Cranium, whether or not you “consider” abortion to be equivalent to rape and murder does not make it so. Look, I’m an agnostic anti-death penalty gay-rights supporter who also happens to know, through science, research, and logic, that abortion is the most extreme violation of human rights EVER. It does not follow to say we don’t “consider” the unborn to be persons. They ARE persons, because logic tells us that. It’s pro-aborts who arbitrarily mark “personhood,” in order to lessen the awfulness and guilt of killing another person. We don’t become persons; we are persons. We become, however, newborns, toddlers, teenagers, etc. But at every single stage, we are persons who have the right to exist. The right to exist, the right to not be killed, is the most fundamental of all rights. A mother cannot extinguish that right, no matter how much the word “choice” is batted around. There is no right to kill anyone. There is no such thing as the right to abort your own child.
Instead of trying to make sure women abort, why don’t pro-aborts want to help women NOT abort? I should hope this procedure would be unthinkable. Watching an unborn child fight for his or her life should be enough to change hearts, but no matter what, pro-aborts will find justification for this grotesque violation of human rights. 99% of abortions are committed on healthy mothers and healthy babies. There is no reason for that, except greed and ignorance.
Irony of ironies! Not only did the silphium plant become extinct, so, too, did the ancient city of Cyrene. Guess PP forgot to put that on its poster!
Jeanne wrote:
Irony of ironies! Not only did the silphium plant become extinct, so, too, did the ancient city of Cyrene. Guess PP forgot to put that on its poster!
:) Details, details…
Good catch!
‘That says nothing to the morality of them, or whether they should be legal or not. Which was the original point. Which clearly sailed over your head’ – clearly not. That is my point. The morality is arguable and it would appear that the majority don’t find it too immoral. Nor is it illegal.
The pro-life movement may have been around for thousands of years, but abortion hasn’t stopped. To you it’s always been wrong, not to many many others.
MaryLee, pro-choicers are also strong advocates of good sex education and the availability of contraception. It appears that there is a proportion of the anti-choice movement who are against both.
I don’t particularly care how you want to describe it. If you want to equate pro-choice as pro-abortion so be it. I am pro-choice, pro-abortion, pro-ripping a fetus out of a womb, etc. etc. It doesn’t mean I think abortion should be mandatory. Do you people really think it is insulting to categorize me and others like me as pro-abortion?? Who gives a rats behind how you categorize it. In the end, abortion is legal, and it will stay that way, or else people will find illegal ways to do it. Either way, fetuses will be aborted just as the sun will come up and you people will be outraged.
Love, Cherish, Praise, Honor???
These posters make me feel physically sick. Sometimes I feel so overwhelmed by all the evil in the world and this is one of those times. God help us.
cranium
September 17th, 2010 at 6:05 pm
1. If you had understood the original point, you would not have stated it again like it was new to the thread.
2. Having a majority on your side doesn’t make you right.
3. If it did, then in the US, you are wrong. Pro-lifers are the majority.
4. People have opposed rape and murder for thousands of years, too. That opposition hasn’t made them stop, either. Should we make them legal, since obviously they can’t be ended? (SPOILER ALERT: No, we shouldn’t.)
Jake,
See Keli Hu’s post, immediately above; it addresses your comments as well as Cranium-troll’s comments. Unless you’re utterly amoral (e.g. you think anything is allowable anywhere, at any time, and it’s only a matter of who’s strong enough to do certain things, or strong enough to prevent others from doing those things), you also reject the idea of “legal = moral”. Think this through; I suspect it’s not beyond you.
(Re: your “fetuses will be aborted, and you’ll be outraged: does nothing outrage YOU? Are you completely indifferent to rape, torture, oppression, etc., of anyone–even yourself? If so, then I admit: I have nothing to say to you. But if otherwise, then your comment is just silly; I could say the same to you about the things which outrage you, but which persist… yes?)
“Sometimes I feel so overwhelmed by all the evil in the world. . .”
I hear you Becca ):
Keli Hu, this doesn’t agree with what you’ve said at point 3. –
https://www.jillstanek.com/2010/09/pro-abort-blog-touts-abortion-as-birth-control/
I get so tired of the repeated linking of abortion to rape and murder, it’s trite.
I’m sorry it “tires” you, Cranium. But abortion is as horrific and unnecessary and wrong as rape and murder. It is, in fact, both at the same time, if one really wants to look at it with a honest heart. You’re obviously not interested in facts, or the truth, or logic, so it doesn’t really matter what anyone says to you.
MaryLee, it is your opinion that abortion is ‘as horrific and unnecessary and wrong as rape and murder’. It is not mine. It obviously isn’t the opinion of many others either, otherwise people wouldn’t have abortions and it would not be legal. Those are the facts, the truth and the logic that societies have accepted.