Breaking: Abortionist arrested on 8 counts of murder, 7 for killing aborted alive newborns
UPDATE, 10:45a: More from the Toronto Star…
Dr. Kermit Gosnell, 69, made millions of dollars over 30 years, performing as many illegal, late-term abortions as he could, prosecutors said….
Gosnell “induced labor, forced the live birth of viable babies in the sixth, seventh, eighth month of pregnancy and then killed those babies by cutting into the back of the neck with scissors and severing their spinal cord,” Williams said.
UPDATE, 10:20a: More from the Associated Press…
A Philadelphia abortion doctor has been charged with eight counts of murder in the deaths of a woman patient and seven babies that prosecutors say were born alive and then killed with scissors…
District Attorney Seth Williams says state regulators ignored complaints and failed to visit the clinic since 1993.
Williams says the women were subjected to squalid and barbaric conditions at Gosnell’s Women’s Medical Society, which was shut down last year.
Gosnell has been named in at least 10 malpractice suits, including one over the death of a woman who died of sepsis and a perforated uterus.
UPDATE, 9:30a: More from MyFoxPhilly.com…
Dr. Kermit Gosnell and several of his alleged colleagues was arrested overnight…. Last April, the FBI and Drug enforcement agents raided Dr. Gosnell’s 38th and Lancaster Clinic. Inside, they found jars packed with pieces of aborted fetuses and recliners used in a recovery area for women who had abortions.
Dr. Gosnell’s medical license was been suspended because of the conditions at his clinic. He has also been targeted in multiple lawsuits, at least one charging that a woman died from a botched abortion.
Dr. Gosnell is named in nearly four dozen civil suits going back 20 years. Ten of those are malpractice suits, including one by the family of a young woman who died after a March 2000 abortion at Gosnell’s office.
And much more in a MyFoxPhilly tv news report this morning…
Philadelphia Abortion Doctor Arrested: MyFoxPHILLY.com
9:22: From CBS, this morning, also up now on Drudge:
PHILADELPHIA – Eyewitness News has learned that a West Philadelphia doctor, his wife and eight other suspects are now under arrest following a grand jury Investigation.
Sources say Dr. Kermit Gosnell faces eight counts of murder in the death of a woman following a botched abortion at his office at 38th and Lancaster Avenues, along with the deaths of seven other babies who, prosecutors allege, were born alive following illegal late-term abortions.
Four of the suspects, some improperly licensed, also face multiple counts of murder for allegedly killing the newborns.
All of the suspects are now behind bars after warrants were served overnight.
Dr. Gosnell [pictured left], who has practiced in the West Philadelphia neighborhood for decades, is also the target of a federal grand jury investigation into illegally prescribing prescription drugs.
Investigators say during a search of his home, they found $240,000 in cash.
The doctor, in past interviews with CBS 3, has proclaimed his innocence, predicting if charged, he will be acquitted.
The Philadelphia District Attorney has scheduled a press conference for 10:30 a.m. to officially announce details of the arrests and the grand jury presentment.
The Born Alive Infants Protection Act should finally come to the fore in prosecuting murders of newborn survivors of abortion that we know is being committed.
Also read “Kermit Gosnell, the Jeffrey Dahmer of abortionists” and “Kermit Gosnell’s ‘bizarre’ collection of baby feet.”
[HT: Troy Newman at Operation Rescue; photo via CBS]
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
Just in time for blog for choice day.
This is awful. This chamber of horrors is located right near the campuses of Drexel and U. Penn, in a lower income, mostly minority neighborhood. Thank God that he is finally out of business.
This is the logical conclusion to allowing (in particular) late-term abortions. It also shows how once sin takes hold of someone’s heart it will corrupt every corner of the soul.
Hopefully the pro-life movement will not use this as a chance to demonize pro-crs (“pro-crs should be pleased, etc.) but rather lovingly demonstrate the need for tighter regulations as a *gasp* common ground.
“Hopefully the pro-life movement will not use this as a chance to demonize pro-crs (“pro-crs should be pleased, etc.) but rather lovingly demonstrate the need for tighter regulations as a *gasp* common ground.”
Yeah that really worked with the National Socialists, Communist and every other evil movement in history. Rule1 of the morally weak: Don’t demonize the demons.
I love the naive. They are endlessly entertaining in their myopia.
Rufus: hear, hear. It’s that kind of fence sitting that has kept abortion legal.
There is no difference between killing these kids early or late. Either way, it is the same crime.
No difference between this abortionist and any other abortionist except that he (hopefully) is out of business. While the details of his murders are more graphic than details we are given about other abortions both are equally evil.
Hopefully the pro-life movement will not use this as a chance to demonize pro-crs (“pro-crs should be pleased, etc.) but rather lovingly demonstrate the need for tighter regulations as a *gasp* common ground.
Yes, as long as the slaveowners report to the authorities on a regular basis, and the SS troops are sure to issue their monthly reports about the gas chambers to the government, everything will be just fine.
*eyeroll*
You don’t have to demonize the killing of innocent, defenseless human beings. It is what it is.
What it must be like having one of these Abortion mills in your neighbourhood i don’t know.
@Rufus: I couldn’t agree more some people are demonic. Chidren of the Devil, from the abyss. That is the spiritual reality of reality. Demons do exist -i’ve seen them. Have you ever read the Roman ritual exorcism? Very powerfully worded.
Words can not express my complete, utter, boundless, total lack of surprise. We knew he was an evil and disgusting man.
I hope every single one of these charges sticks like glue.
CC,
you payin attention?
The more I think about this the more I feel like crying. I remember when I was six months pregnant with my daughter, I was having stomach pains and I thought I was miscarrying. I was upset and crying and the nurse let me listen to her heartbeat. It was so strong and steady! Also, my son was born at about seven months gestation.
My question is: How could he? How could he?
Willima LLoyd Garrison, an abolitionist, when counseled to be ‘moderate’ in his comments about slavery replied,
“Tell a mother who’s house is on fire to sound a moderate alarm!”
I have been tarrying for the ending of abortion since before its legalization. When I was 12 years old, we South Dakota Catholic school children wrote desperate pleading letters to our congressional delegation begging them to stop abortion, before the Roe decision.
I give this background because these 40 years of fighting abortion and reading and hearing accounts of of abortion, from both the moms and the abortionists, has caused me to be continuously grieved by abortion, but rarely ever shocked anymore.
However, this accounting of Gosnell’s horror chamber has somehow shaken me to the core. The reason, I suppose, is that I know that these seven murdered babies represent hundreds – HUNDREDS! – more who he has slaughtered so violently. AND HE GOT AWAY WITH IT UNTIL NOW!
He got away with it because of the climate of entitlement and perverted “privacy” we have allowed NARAL, NAF and Planned Parenthood to create.
I want to hope that even the pro-aborts will see how evil this is, but then I remember that we have a sitting president who defended this very thing.
I am looking for the Romans 8:28 angle of this American Auschwitz in Philadelphia. The only thing that we can hope for is that the horror of it will knock people off the fence and the abortion-agnostics will begin to fight for the rights of all humans to not be slaughtered at the hands of murderers posing as doctors.
PhillyMiss said: My question is: How could he? How could he?
$$$$$ with no heart.
Guys, I think you misunderstood me…. I said let’s not demonize p-chcrs. Abortion is demonic, absolutely. I am not suggesting that we somehow downplay it. Demonize abortion all you want – but don’t go telling someone who is pc that “you must be proud of choice!” with sarcasm dripping off your words.
The point I didn’t make well is that the horror of abortion and its mentality speaks for itself in this article, and its a great opportunity to have a civil conversation with a pc-er who is naturally going to recoil in horror at reading about this. First you have questions about how we can prevent this incident from happening ever again. From there, we can work our way down to the fact that abortion at the earliest stages of life, while perhaps less painful at 5 weeks gestation, is still just as morally atrocious.
I don’t know about you, but I think the evils of communism and people’s willingness to start rejecting it on moral and philosophical grounds became a lot more doable in the public domain once the world saw the devaluing of human life and worth in Iron Curtain countries.
And could you have used the news of Stalin’s crimes to start a conversation with a communist in the US and say, “Hey, we can agree this should never happen in our country! How can we prevent it?” Why wouldn’t you?
What evils! My heart cries for those babies who were so brutally murdered. May God punish all the abortionists in the world. They are the worst evils and they must go. For they are not human. They can’t kill babies if they are human. Oh May God punish them most harshly! I pray . . for those aborted babies and the unborn. May God save all babies. Amen.
Someone was willing to have a conversation with the youth in Nazi Germany, to appeal to rationale, patriotism – and selfishness. By and large, the leaders didn’t win them over because they came up to them and made fun of them for not sharing their beliefs.
Why wouldn’t we take every opportunity to appeal to a person’s sense of rationale and moral reasoning - and ability to be selfless – rather then letting them to shrug Gosnell off as “just a quack, I doubt this will ever happen again”? (Which would be the natural human tendency)?
“He got away with it because of the climate of entitlement and perverted “privacy” we have allowed NARAL, NAF and Planned Parenthood to create.”
Really? The constitutional right to privacy is “perverted”? Any other constitutional guarantees of liberty that you think are evil and should be tossed out the window?
and its a great opportunity to have a civil conversation with a pc-er who is naturally going to recoil in horror at reading about this
luckymamma,
I have been here more than 3 years and have yet to see any pcer recoil in horror at ANYTHING written by Jill. They remain strangely silent on the most gruesome of blogposts.
Case in point, Carla, is the post by joan right above yours. Anything to say regarding this abortionist’s horrific acts? Nope. Just a statement about “constitutional liberty.”
Feel the love.
Joan, have you anything to say about this “constitutional liberty” of late-term abortion? Is it a private matter to guarantee a woman a dead baby, to the point of stabbing a born baby with scissors to ensure the abortion is “complete?” Hmm. Somehow I’m thinkin’ the founders of our country probably didn’t have in mind that sort of thing when they talked about a right to privacy.
Of course, most of you are ignorant. PP and others don’t condone this type of alleged activity. But, carry on with your ignorance anyway.
$65.
Common ground, my patootie.
Joan, as a premie who’s father hovered over her incubator, I am appalled at this man’s infanticide. But after all you’ve commented on Jill’s blog, I’m not shocked that you gloss over infantacide and instead latch onto the privacy thing. Privacy has become a political tool. Privacy is used to keep people infected with AIDs from stigma while at the same time putting doctors, nurses, and other health care workers in danger. Why? Well, according to the law, if you have AIDS, your doctor doesn’t have to list it in YOUR MEDICAL FILE. You can request that it be listed in a PRIVATE file to be kept in an administrator’s office. Then, when you show up sick for your next appointment and cough phlegm or blood, or even spit or even vomit, all the doctors and nurses on staff are blissfully UNAWARE that you are infected. Privacy is also abused, as this story illustrates, to murder living, viable infants. I would have adopted one of those infants.
I don’t know what we can do for people like Joan and CC other than pray harder.
There is NO “constitutional” “right” to commit acts of prenatal homicide, let alone these horrific acts of postnatal homicide, which are actually morally no worse than prenatal homicide.
No matter when or at what stage you kill a human being, you are destroying the very same being and taking away the very same lifespan.
Peter:
Planned Parenthood has killed five million human beings through abortion violence since 1970. That represents vastly greater destruction of human life than what occurred in Philadelphia.
Keep wallowing in your ignorance, Joe.
What ignorance?
Tell us specifically what factual or logical errors you see in my previous comment.
Be specific.
“Case in point, Carla, is the post by joan right above yours. Anything to say regarding this abortionist’s horrific acts? Nope. Just a statement about “constitutional liberty.”
Well, since you asked, it’s disgusting, not only because of what he did, but because this one fringe character’s actions can and will be unfairly used to paint other reproductive health providers, the vast majority of whom would never run an operation like this, as similarly twisted. If the allegations against this man are true, then his actions play right into the hands of people who purvey the worst caricatures of abortion doctors.
“Joan, as a premie who’s father hovered over her incubator, I am appalled at this man’s infanticide. But after all you’ve commented on Jill’s blog, I’m not shocked that you gloss over infantacide and instead latch onto the privacy thing. Privacy has become a political tool. Privacy is used to keep people infected with AIDs from stigma while at the same time putting doctors, nurses, and other health care workers in danger. Why? Well, according to the law, if you have AIDS, your doctor doesn’t have to list it in YOUR MEDICAL FILE. You can request that it be listed in a PRIVATE file to be kept in an administrator’s office. Then, when you show up sick for your next appointment and cough phlegm or blood, or even spit or even vomit, all the doctors and nurses on staff are blissfully UNAWARE that you are infected. Privacy is also abused, as this story illustrates, to murder living, viable infants. I would have adopted one of those infants. ”
So because the constitutional right to privacy can be abused, that means it’s a bad or invalid legal principle? Many would say that the Westboro Baptist people abuse their First Amendment rights to free speech and free exercise of religion. Does that mean the First Amendment has been “perverted” and for that, it should be rejected? What about one Jared Lee Loughner, who used his Second Amendment right to purchase a gun and then proceeded to murder half a dozen people? There are irresponsible people who will abuse their constitutional liberties, but that’s the price of living in a free society.
There is NO “constitutional” “right” to “privacy”. This is a complete fallacy and a complete myth. ”Privacy” is not mentioned in the Constitution.
However, that is not what Joan means. When opponents of unborn human rights use the expression “privacy”, they are talking about their belief that there is a “right” to kill all human beings in the first nine months of life and to take away from each of us our entire human lifespans. In other words, they are talking about a “right” to commit the horrific crime of prenatal homicide.
If opponents of basic human rights really believe their rhetoric, they should be honest about it. Stop hiding behind abortionist drivel and doublespeak like “choice”, “choose”, “decisions”, “health”, “privacy”, etc, and admit that all human beings can be killed in the unborn stage and deprived of every minute of our existence.
Ninek, if it makes you feel any better, health care workers are supposed to take precautions for all patients, whether the patient has tested positive or not. It wouldn’t make much of a difference to force HIV infection to be listed in medical records because many people with the virus don’t even know they have it.
Jill, what’s that quote by Obama in regards to ILBAIPA…something like “we wouldn’t want to interfer with the woman’s decision to abort.”
Kinda like prochoice used (and is still using) the actions of ‘one lone person on the fringe’ aka Scott Roeder to paint the entire prolife movement? The comedy from the left never ends, does it. On twitter they’re busily portraying Gosnell as the victim and the mean old antis who wouldn’t fund abortion as the perps. Same old, same old.
I’m surprised the media is reporting this and not burying it:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41154527/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts
Of course, the comments under msn’s article are rife with anti-lifers who insist this is what happens when abortion is illegal. Pardon me, but Roe v Wade has not been aborted yet. Abortion is legal and THIS is happening NOW.
Joan, you are so lost.
“Well, since you asked, it’s disgusting, not only because of what he did, but because this one fringe character’s actions can and will be unfairly used to paint other reproductive health providers, the vast majority of whom would never run an operation like this, as similarly twisted. If the allegations against this man are true, then his actions play right into the hands of people who purvey the worst caricatures of abortion doctors.”
That’s your big concern Joan. Not the babies who suffered, not the mothers who suffered, not all the infants who died and the injured mothers who died. Your big concern is oh those naughty anti-lifers are going to use this against all the swell guys who murder babies for a living in cleaner offices. Yep, that’s what you value.
$67
joan
Generalized “privacy” rights do not exist in the U.S. Constitution. Specific privacy rights have been added through amendment and other privacy rights have been established through interpretation and judicial decision. The “right” to abort was plucked from the Constitutional shadows and has no clear, autonomous legal basis.
Lots to read here:
http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/conlaw/rightofprivacy.html
http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/conlaw/abortion.htm
Oh, that silly Jill Stanek. Didn’t you get the memo? Born Alive abortions were a myth. You just dreamed them up, remember? This abortionist couldn’t have performed Born Alive abortions because there’s never been one performed! ;)
Kel @ You don’t have to demonize the killing of innocent, defenseless human beings. It is what it is. *APPLAUDS* Dead right!
Amendment and judicial interpretation are valid methods of expounding upon the rights guaranteed by the Constitution, Jim. The argument that because the exact word “privacy” is not written in the Constitution, there is no constitutional right to privacy, is simply a legal and logical dead end. There’s a reason why we have judges interpret law, not English professors. Sometimes the meaning of the Constitution is buried between the individual lines contained within.
Peter says:
“Of course, most of you are ignorant. PP and others don’t condone this type of alleged activity. But, carry on with your ignorance anyway. ”
And, once again from Peter:
“Keep wallowing in your ignorance, Joe”.
Joe responds:
What ignorance?
Tell us specifically what factual or logical errors you see in my previous comment.
Be specific.
Joe:
I have to admit I was a bit baffled myself about our friend Peter’s comments. But we have to remember the leftists and the trolls are ENLIGHTENED.
Haven’t you got the message yet–abortion is the only way to save the unwashed masses from themselves. They must have “choice” because they are incapable of living responsibly and to burden them with “unwanted” pregnancies would be just plain immoral!
Besides, to get in a huff about a few dead fetuses is a distraction. Today we have wonderful modern facilities that are just so clean and caring and warm–full of nice people. Don’t you know, Joe, that killing unborn babies is OK if it is done with a smile in a clean environment?
C’mon Joe, get enlightened!
Joan,
Prolifers have always held that accepting abortion is also accepting infanticide. In this case, we are appalled that late’term viable infants are born than killed. Really, how is this different than killing the infant in the womb before it is born? I guess, he should of killed the infant before inducing, that way he wouldn’t have had to cut its neck.
We have always said that the difference is only age and location.
$68
And again we defend the ghoul who victimizes women who are in some kind of personal crisis. Hey, what’s the best thing to do for a woman who, after carrying her baby for a few months, suddenly decides she can’t deal with it? Instead of caring for her and helping alleviate her anxiety, well let’s just take her money and kill her baby! Who needs sanitation? That’s as silly as using alcohol on the skin of a death row inmate right before the lethal injection, right? Ah, the anti-lifers…if only a death-doula had been there to help.
My dog is safer in the hands of a second rate vet who graduated last in his class than a woman is in the hands of an abortionist.
Joan,
If you admit, as you did, that his actions are disgusting then by natural extension you are admitting all abortions are disgusting. The only difference between one and another is the age of the child being murdered.
As to the Constitutional question, this is an area that people on both sides of this issue get confused. The Fourth Amendment does grant protection from unreasonable searches and seizures. Justice Blackmun foolishly cited that and the inherent right to privacy contained therein in attempting to explain the Roe v. Wade decision. Whether or not it is okay to kill another human being has nothing to do with privacy or unreasonable search & seizure. Intelligent people (even those who support infanticide) realize that the Supreme Court ruling in this case was nonsense.
Also, I’d recommend everyone read this:
4th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution: “The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.”
I’ve read it backwards and forwards and no where does it say or infer or imply that killing a little kid is okay. If people want abortion to be legal and constitutional they need to amend the Constitution to allow for bigger people to kill smaller people because in essence that is all we are talking about, killing the weakest among us. I suppose it could be further defined to mean only relatives can kill smaller people. Regardless, I kind of doubt the amendment could be passed if honestly drafted.
To Joan, Peter, et al.: Do you have any sympathy at all for these babies that were so cruelly killed? Remember that these were viable infants outside of the womb, not “blobs” or “products of conception.” These were living, breathing babies.
Any at all?
Sure. Dr. Gosnell shouldn’t have been killing viable, born babies. I’ve always said that the only logical point for determining legal and social personhood is birth.
ninek,
I fear for your bank account.
And if abortion is crimimalized, there will be lots more of this. Don’t worry, be happy. And for the record, this alleged crime seems quite nasty.
“And if abortion is crimimalized, there will be lots more of this.” Gee, all the feminists PROMISED that if abortion were only legal, this would never happen again.
I’m slightly encouraged by your comment that the alleged crime seems nasty. It’s a start, CC, it’s a start.
$75
I don’t know about everyone else, but I believe it’s men like Kermit Gosnell who give abortionists a bad name.
Oh yor bro ken,
It’s just one bad apple.
CC says: January 17, 2011 at 5:59 pm
“Slaves were fully developed, sentient post born human being as opposed to fetuses which are fully dependent on body in which they developing. ”
“But yeah, those women who abort are vicious murderers.”
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What, “yor bro ken,” should we do with these heathen females. They need to be severely punished for their sins. Right?”CC,
“They were deprived of excercising their free will – something that fetuses don’t have.”
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When your mother was pregnant with YOU what species of embryo/fetus was resident in her uterus?
You throw down the word ‘fetus’ like bigots throw down ‘nigger’.
The pro-slavery folks did not recognize their african slaves as fellow human beings.
The NAZIs and the muslim extremists of today do not recognize Jews as fellow human beings.
I am not a woman, but I have been present for the pregnancies and births of five of my children and I am sure if you ask my wife she will attest that each of those five children were exercising their will while they were still en utero. They all chose to live and none chose to die while they were still in the womb. Some chose to suck their thumbs and to protest when they did not care for the unpleasant effects on them of the food their mom was eating.
CC, let us take you from your warm and safe environment and air drop you into one of Americas many wilderness areas with nothing but the clothes you are wearing and see just how long you survive. Unless you are the rare inidividual who has trained to live off the land you would be dead in days if not hours. So much for your post natal independence.
You do not have to be ‘vicious’ to be guilty of murder. It does not have to be a ‘hate crime’ to be murder.
One of the evidences of a ‘sociopath’ is a complete lack of emotion toward their victims. [Think Kermit Gosnell here.]
People who are guilty of committing ’murder’, by their act or by their complicity, should be judged and punished according to existing criminal statutes. Formerly pregnant women who have chosen to kill their pre-natal children do not deserve any special treatment. That would be discrimination, which is contrary to justice.
Justice should be administered equally to heathens and non-heathens. Their pre-natal children are equally human.[One of the nasty truths which we christians don’t like to talk about is christians are aborting at about the same rate as ‘heathens’, to use YOUR word.]
‘Sin’ is not a legal concept, but a religious one. It is not the states business to punish one for their ‘sin’ unless their ‘sin’ violates an existing statute, like say ‘homicide’.
But now we are back to first question:
When your mom was pregnant with you, what species of embryo/fetus were you?
You may ask your mom, or a fifth grader, if you like.
Sure. Dr. Gosnell shouldn’t have been killing viable, born babies. I’ve always said that the only logical point for determining legal and social personhood is birth.
Ok. So…if he hadn’t induced, you’d be fine with all of this? Gotcha.
And since birth varies, I’m sure that Joan would maybe consider compassion on those babies who are still in the womb, but past the time other babies who were born and lived.
Since I lived, but was born at 6 months of gestation, can we consider clemency and life for those babies who are at 6 months of gestation, but have not been born yet? Let’s start there.
Love is always big enough to share.
“Investigators say during a search of his [Kermit Gosnell] home, they found $240,000 in cash.”
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Looks like the Philadephia area democrats will be paying for their own drinks this month.
If a man doesn’t wince at killing newborn infants with his own latex covered hands do you think he will suffer a crisis of conscience over lying, stealing and cheating on his income tax.
Wonder how long it will be until the President and the U. S. Attorney General wade into this case lecturing us about how the Philadelphia District Attorney behaved presumptiously and acted stupidly?
How long before the ‘un-moderated’ dialog of pro-lifers will be blamed for driving Kermit Gosnell to commit these barbaric acts?
This sound eerily similar to the Wichita, Kansas investigation of the recently departed but NOT dearly missed George Tiller.
Two hundred and forty thousand dollars in cash can ‘grease an awful lot of blood stained palms’, fund a lot of political campaigns, buy for a lot of lap dances for the ‘dead babies r us’ politicians.
Kermit Gosnell, keeping abortion on demand safe, legal and lucrative.
[Don’t pay any attention to the man behind the curtain, the human fetal remains floating in bottles, the constant parade of ambulances to and from the building, the sounds of scurrying roaches and the rat droppings and chain of malpractice and wrongful death law suits.]
C’mon Ken, there were no rat droppings. That’s what the CATS were for…it was their feces, hair and urine everywhere.
Joan wrote: Sure. Dr. Gosnell shouldn’t have been killing viable, born babies.
This ‘viable/unviable’ distinction just doesn’t hold water. There are so many people who whole-heartedly support abortions in (at least) the first trimester, maybe the 2nd, but shudder at a news of a baby killed at 7-month’s gestation. Why is it less acceptable at 7 months than, say, 7 weeks? Because at 7 weeks the developing child could not live outside the mother? Doesn’t this line drawn ultimately mean: the more dependent someone is on you, the more morally permissible it is to end his life?
Can’t wait to see the Law & Order episode ripped from these headlines.
With this many defendants facing conspiracy charges to comit murder and all the other lesser crimes, it won’t be long before a member of this murdering mob is rolled by the prosecution and starts dropping the dime on his accomplices.
It ought to provide some graphic and detailed testimony under oath to share with the ‘dead babies r us’/’satans posse’ folk when they come around.
There is certain to be a dearth of honor amongst these theives and assassins.
Here is a link to the grand jury report. It contains graphic images and reading the sordid mess truly was sickening:
http://www.phila.gov/districtattorney/PDFs/GrandJuryWomensMedical.pdf
I hope all the hand-wringing about “BEFORE the fetus was born, or was it AFTER the fetus was born?” helps everyone feel better about killing these babies. ALL of them. I am so absolutely disgusted right now.
@xalisae: Ha. I wish. There’s another website I’m on where one of our pro-choice members was upset because the abortion procedure Gosnell used was dangerous. The fact that he’d murdered seven newborns, whom even pro-aborts usually care about, didn’t register at all. Didn’t even make the thread.
I might maybe have ranted a bit in my blog about that.
remember the “abortion = slippery slope/who is it NOT going to be ok to kill?”argument we’ve all seen before that PC’ers like to hem and haw over? This is it. The lines have blurred. It is no longer a hypothetical. Here it is, in all it’s putrid glory.
yep – when we don’t value life in ALL of it’s stages, then for those who have forgotten the golden rule will contort their thinking into certain cases are ok to end a life. Then another. Then another. the line keeps going to more, not less, unless there is a radical change of mind.
when we no longer have those to defend us, when our life is threatened, then maybe, just maybe we can see that we should have defended everyone – no matter the age, gestation, function, dependency, sex, location, sensation, race – the born and unborn – the young and the old, the affluent and the poor – all humans, no matter their standing have worth and dignity. If you are a member of the human family, you deserve welcome, love and life.
Love still goes a long way.
I don’t know if PA has the death penalty for this type of crime, but if ever a crime warranted the death penalty, this one should. Funny though, if the death penalty were imposed, it would likely be more “humane” than the horrifying death imposed on the little boys and girls that were killed. If a person is found guilty of murder by the testimony of two or more witnesses, the civil government has a God-given right to put an end to that person’s life. But, it’s also true that God does not delight in the death of the wicked. Ezekial 33:11 states, “Say to them, ‘As surely as I live, declares the Sovereign LORD, I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn from their ways and live.” So, God would rather that a wicked person turn from wickedness to avoid death, but in the case of murder, the civil government does have the right to put an end to the murderer’s life (on the testimony of two or more witnesses). Whatever happens to this man on earth, I think He is going to have a lot of “splaining” to do when he meets his Maker.
@Beate: I’ve been reading the Grand Jury report. And you’re right, it’s a good read. Worth mentioning is the fact that the Grand Jury’s conclusion that this situation persisted as long as it did due to insufficient regulation of abortion clinics (i.e. abortion clinics should be more restricted, not less), total failure of the DOH to conduct regular inspections and enforce existing laws.
Basically, everything we’ve all been saying for years.
I am about half way through the report.
Aren’t we equal enough yet prochoice ladies?
Heh, it’s hilarious that pro-choicers are trying to blame us for Gosnell’s conscious choices to be careless, neglectful, and indifferent towards the safety and wellfare of his patients and the conscious decisions he made to kill those neonates. Nevermind it’s the pro-lifers who are fighting for basic health and sanitation regulations in comparison to other ambulatory surgical clinics, or that it’s the pro-lifers assisting women who’ve had abortion complications with seeking medical care and comforting and counseling grieving women, when pro-choice individuals and organizations fight tooth and nail against basic health regulations which would protect women from quacks such as these, who’d take advantage of women in a desperate situation for their money. Where are pro-choice activists’ compassion for these women and their families? Sometimes reactions such as those mentioned on Twitter leaves me wondering if they only care about protecting abortion doctors and their sacrosanct abortion rights, and not the women who they claim to speak for.
Yay, Philly!
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I nominate Kermit Gosnell for the ’Naral Choice Lifetime Achievement Award’ for his dedication and work in support of a woman’s right to choose. Women are being being hurt and babies killed in Planned Parenthood’s House of Horrors every day by the thousands. What a sick, depraved world of abortion we live in. It is an insanity. And each generation that grows up being taught to go about their lives without caring that the likes of Planned Parenthood erect abortuaries in their neighborhood is a generation without hope and a generation taught that insanity is the norm.
May God bring sanity to the Democratic party and turn some of their hearts to help us, the pro-life citizens, to make a difference in 2012.
I read it, Beate. I was one of the researcher for Lime 5, and Kermit Gosnell is Win, Place, and Show in the Creepy Ghoul Abortionist contest. Nobody else even comes close.
Jill, is that “Atlantic Women’s Clinic” were Gosnell worked in Delaware the same Atlantic something or other NAF lists as a member on their web site? I have to work tomorrow so I can’t research it until after 5 p.m.!
Valerie said:
“but in the case of murder, the civil government does have the right to put an end to the murderer’s life (on the testimony of two or more witnesses).”
Valerie, Two witnesses could lie; but in this case they can place him at scene (in fact he is the owner of the bbuilding where the where these murders occurred. And he owned are all over the murder weapons. And he owned the jars of baby’s corpses with their necks slit and their spinal cords severed etc. A reasonable jury should unanimously determine this guy was in fact guilty.
I was thinking maybe Gossner deserves to share a prison cell with Scott Roeder so Scott could put Gossner out of his misery. But when I think about it further I recall that Roeder was a Christian pastor. And I remember that at his trial Roeder’s defense was that he had to kill Tiller to stop Tiller from continuing to mutilate women and slaughter late term babies. So now I think Roeder would more likely try and help Gossner find forgiveness through Jesus Christ then to kill him. Especially because in a jail cell Gossner could no longer be a danger to society
Everyone who enters a hospital is assumed to be carrying repulsive diseases. The gloves are to protect the worker, not the patient. HIPAA covers written information, and people outside the hospital. Do you think that a phleb- blood drawer- will let another phleb draw on a patient without knowlege and precautions given verbally? Do you think that people sort of randomly choose to suit up and put on face guards? No, that’s the nurse telling you you want to suit up. Oddly enough, MRSA has higher levels of precaution than HIV. Two suits, two gloves, face guards, even reverse pressure rooms at some places.
Your congressman isn’t the one drawing blood. Your congresswoman isn’t the one taking anti-retrovirals for six months. come on.
Roeder was a Christian pastor? He is no better than Gossner.
Looks like the Philadephia area democrats will be paying for their own drinks this month.
The leadership in this “dark blue” city is heavily Democratic and of course, pc. Our district attorney, Seth Williams, is going after this MONSTER, but he seems almost apologetic about it. The story is on the front pages of all the newspapers — it must break their little abortophile hearts to have to report it, but it’s a national story.
@Valerie – there is talk of this “doctor” getting the death penalty. Although we do have the death penalty here, there hasn’t been an execution in years. I am against the death penalty, so as far as I’m concerned, that’s good news.
@Joan – I am glad you have a heart! :-)
Please don’t judge the whole city by this horrible man. There are lots of good people here and a strong prolife movement!
Kenton said:
“Roeder was a Christian pastor? He is no better than Gossner.”
Kenton, what do you mean by “better”. Is somebody who kills a mass murderer better than the mass murderer? Maybe not in your eyes but that would make you one of the few, the proud, the insane. Maybe you would have worked with Gossner if you needed the job huh.
Yor bro ken, 1/19/11, 8:15pm
Brilliant!