Big Brother star regrets abortion
He waited until I was 3 months gone to tell me that he didn’t want it. I even had baby names picked and he turned around and told me that he didn’t want our child and that I should get rid of it….
I didn’t really want to have an abortion. But I did it anyway, to please him. Big mistake….
Don’t be forced into anything, don’t have an abortion for any man. Everything will work out alright in the end if you stay true to your own heart.
~Big Brother winner Josie Gibson, as quoted by UnrealityTV, March 15
Mar.15, 2011 11:42 am |
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Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
Tell it, girl!! I hope you find healing and peace, as I hope for all post-abortive parents. Thank you, Josie, for speaking out about your own experience.
What is with all these scumbag men out there??!! Why does every man try to coerce abortions, even when they claim to be “pro-life”? My baby’s dad is officially on the record saying abortion is “despicable.” But he tried to get me to abort. He even gave me the ol’ “ball of cells” canard.
I’m fairly certain my parents’ generation raised a bunch of pussified boys who don’t want kids til they’re 30, if at all. I’m starting to think men hate children and see them as a terrible burden that women force upon them.
Heh, my baby’s dad tried to shut down Planned Parenthood on his college campus. But he pressured me to go to one.
Ashley,
Have heart! I’m sorry you went through that. And there are plenty of pussified men out there, but let it be known that there are also wonderful men who love children.
My fiance can’t wait for us to get married and have kids – he is more excited about having babies than I am! :)
Just wanted to let you know that there are men out there, not these overgrown boys who keep running around pretending to be adults and “pro-life.”
Wow Ashley – I looked at the video – and it just shows that a public belief, if it does not run internally can have ‘pro-life’ people support abortion. Obviously, when one is sexually active, one needs to regard the natural consequence of that (babies and bonding).
People really don’t think of their actions – in many ways it’s all hypothetical – not real- and when the ‘unthinkable’ happens, people are unprepared.
I honor you in your good decision in recognizing that your child is alive and allowing that child to continue to grow and thrive. I know that your prior decision was different and we are overjoyed that you are growing in many ways now.
Prayers coming your way – and yes – men are very different, and the ‘sexual revolution’ is a huge step backwards for women, since we have allowed men to use women and bear little consequence for their actions. They use women and then throw them away.
Internal conversion, growing up and having a better set of surrounding friends and circumstances can all change that, of course. But in the meantime, it is difficult to navigate thru life.
I am glad Josie and you have come to the same conclusion. Too bad, for all concerned, that the men involved were not strong for their women and helped them all to do the right thing.
Let’s hope that all of these circumstances are a wake-up-call and will have people grow up and be the most magnificent people they were meant to be when God first had the thought of them. ;)
By the way, the only guy who never wanted me to abort was my ex-boyfriend, the one I really loved, who’s a Democrat and a union man. His first presidential vote was for Obama. In my life, it’s liberals who support my decision to have the baby. Liberals are simply more compassionate people who understand that life doesn’t always happen the way you want it to, but it’s okay to support people who make mistakes.
The father of my aborted child worked for George Bush and played a big role in getting him elected in 2004. The abortion was his idea. Most people who say they’re pro-life are not.
The most supportive family member so far is my liberal, pro-choice aunt who belongs to a teacher’s union. She’s calling me on a regular basis and offered to go to my first official doctor’s appointment with me.
You should think twice before ranting about “pro-abort liberals.”
“Most people who say they’re pro-life are not.”
I don’t think you can make that generalization, Ashley. I’m sorry the father of your aborted child is a hypocrite. (If he’s such a flaming conservative, I wonder why you even gave him the time of day in the first place!) I’m glad your family is being supportive of you.
In my experience, most people who say they’re pro-life really are. You should think twice before ranting about pro-life hypocrites and making sweeping generalizations about compassionate liberals. Many people on this site have horror stories about liberal relatives or partners that participated in forced or coerced abortions.
The long and short of it is that neither liberals nor conservatives have a monopoly on hypocrisy or compassion. There are asses and angels in each bunch.
I’m married to a wonderful, faithful, Catholic pro-life man who is a terrific husband and father. Believe it or not, they do exist! But he used to be liberal and pro-choice. It’s possible that if one of his girlfriends had gotten pregnant back in his “liberal” days, he would have encouraged her to abort. Now, he is thankful that his stupid behavior didn’t result in any unplanned pregnancies and he saw the light before it was too late.
I know a guy who was devestated when his [since ex] girlfriend aborted his baby. Even after he offered to do everything he could to support her and the child she still had the abortion. I rarely hear men cry, but that man sobbed on the phone to me. Even though it takes a man and a woman to conceive a child, he shouldered the ENTIRE blame for ALL of it. It broke my heart.
Another man I know would love to be a dad. He isn’t married (wants to be someday) and is great with kids.
My husband didn’t know very much about children before he became a father…but he’s a very loving father and was supportive of me throughout the pregnancy, birth and after. (We had offspring after we got married).
There ARE men in the world who DO stick by women who DO stick by pro-life beliefs.
Ashley, I’m real sorry your ex gave “lip service” to the pro-life side. We have to have our “yes mean yes and our no mean no” as it says in the Bible. Not always easy, and it takes practice and sometimes it’s scary, but it’s definitely doable!
That reminds me of the gospel story: a man asked his son to go out and do some work for him. He also asked his other son to go out and work for him. One son said yes, but did nothing at all. The second son said no, but changed his mind and went out and did the work. Which son fulfilled his father’s wishes? The yes-man or the did-man?
Ashley, your parents’ generation also raised a bunch of boys and girls who think sex outside of marriage is hunky-dory, and should be consequence-free.
You’ve even stated that people who think sex is only for marriage are “anti-sex.” Wrong. We’re pro-marriage, and pro-children, and frankly, against the abuse of women by love ’em and leave ’em men. Marriage, sex, and children are for grownups. But we’ve taught that since you don’t have to wait for the sex part, and you have birth control to try and guard against the children part, that the grown-up marriage part is just old-school and out of touch.
Speaking as a person who has been emotionally abused by both boyfriends and father figures, sometimes it takes being emotionally abused before you realize certain things are actually wisdom, not affronts to “sexual freedom.”
To all,
Please pray for Ashley. She is being pressured by her family, her ex and her ex’s family to ABORT, ABORT, ABORT!!
Why are the moderators editing my comments? What, you won’t let anyone find out my abortion-pushing boyfriend runs around with Lila Rose and O’Keefe? You’re just covering up for him. For someone who accuses Planned Parenthood of being deceptive, this site goes through a lot of trouble to cover up for anything that might reflect poorly on “pro-lifers.”
I don’t appreciate my comments being altered to edit out the truth. And yes, I am insulted that my boyfriend is on the record saying abortion is “dispicable,” except when it’s his baby. And he IS friends with all your far-right comrades.
I’ll agree not to put any videos of him up, though. He’d be really, really mad about that, and the last thing I need is a huge fight with the guy I’m having a baby with.
Ashley, I’m sure you don’t appreciate not being allowed to slander people here that you’d like to take revenge upon. Who your bf “runs around with” really has no bearing on the people you’ve mentioned. It sounds as if you’re trying to slander not only your bf, but others in the pro-life movement. Nothing in your comments edited out “the truth.” You are being pressured by your bf. He claims to be pro-life. We get it. Spreading his name around in an attempt to slander him is probably not a constructive thing to do at this point.
Yeah, there are hypocrites everywhere. And all of us have been one of those hypocrites at one time or another.
There are scumbags out there, but there are also men who step up to the plate.
Ashley, when I hear your story, my heart breaks for you. But I just want to say that those women who talked to you about abstinence at the CPC probably did so because they’ve seen it all, and they know that it is a fight to break the pattern of a destructive sexual lifestyle. Lash out at us “anti-sexers” all you want, but those on this site who have said, “Been there, done that, don’t do it,” aren’t trying to steal your sexual pleasure. They’re trying to spare you from the pain they’ve encountered. If you change your lifestyle, you can change your whole life. If you had made the decision a long time ago to abstain until marriage, the heartbreak you’ve had over the past couple years – the drinking, the pain, the mourning – none of that would exist. The decisions you make today and every day affect your future. I hope you find peace.
Oh please, stop with the abstinence crap. It’s doubly insulting when I tell people about my abortion and the response is “serves you right for having sex, SLUT.” Whether it’s spoken aloud or not.
The Bush-Cheney employee and I had sex for years before I got pregnant. (I only got pregnant when I stopped using contraception, so the claim that contraception doesn’t work is a lie.) We were literally together 24/7 for 4 years, and he still didn’t want the baby when I got pregnant. Would he be a totally different person if we had a legal document saying we were married and I made him wait til marriage for sex? I’m skeptical. In fact, I bet if we were married, he’d still want the abortion for the exact same reasons: he didn’t have the money and we were too young. (He was 28 at the time, making it even more pathetic.)
Your first paragraph is NOT AT ALL what Kel is saying.
If you had made the decision a long time ago to abstain until marriage, the heartbreak you’ve had over the past couple years – the drinking, the pain, the mourning – none of that would exist.
Translation: “Sex is dirty, wrong, and bad, and it serves you right for doing it”
Kel could say the same thing about me and my life……and I would agree!!
Your translator is broken.
Oh please, stop with the abstinence crap. It’s doubly insulting when I tell people about my abortion and the response is “serves you right for having sex, SLUT.” Whether it’s spoken aloud or not.
Please do NOT put words in my mouth. I have never said that to you and never will. Abstinence isn’t “crap.” I have worked with many, many women over the years who have made choices that led them into an array of difficult decisions. Deciding to have sex can lead to disaster. In your case, it led to a great deal of heartbreak. Whether you’d have used contraception or not, NO, the guy would NOT have been a different person! That is my POINT! If you wouldn’t marry a guy, why would you sleep with him if you don’t think he’d accept responsibility for a child he might create? You are more than willing to slander the men you’ve been with, but you don’t appear willing to accept responsibility for your own actions. I’m not saying you “deserved what you got.” I’m saying you DIDN’T deserve what you got, and that perhaps you might want to try a different outlook in the future. That’s all.
No, Ashley, I’m saying “sex is holy, AWESOME, powerful, and has the potential to create life. Save it for the guy who DESERVES it!”
AND I am saying “You are worth more than the way you’ve been treated by these men who have used you and then abandoned you. Please realize your worth.”
I’m not slandering the baby’s dad. In fact, the last thing I want is a big falling-out with him.
I also don’t think I have to sit back and act like his behavior isn’t wrong. If I call him out, it’s “slander”? I don’t know why you’re sympathizing with him. Yeah, I know he hasn’t come to terms with it yet, but pushing abortion isn’t a behavior that should inspire “poor thing, it’s so terrible your girlfriend is slandering you!” reactions.
Ashley, posting a video link to him with identifying information – for what purpose, exactly?? Revenge? – is an attempt to slander his name. You are angry, and you have every right to be. What you do not have the right to do is use this message board in an effort to slander his or anyone else’s name. Call him out on his actions, yes. Identify him? No.
I do not sympathize with him in the least. The only thing I pointed out was that we can all be hypocritical at times. His pressuring you into an abortion? Indefensible. He should have the guts to live out what he believes. Period.
Since we can’t use magic or technology to read everyone’s heart and mind, it’s rather impossible to generalize which groups of people are hypocrites. They come in all shapes and sizes as far as I can see. I could probably write a book citing examples of hypocrisy. Hey, maybe I should, lol! I was amazed when I was younger how guys I dated would on one hand pressure girls for sex, then turn right around and call them sluts. I used to say, “Excuse me, was she in that bed alone??” 2011 and we still have the double standard.
Margaret Cho made a funny joke about sex, pretending to quote her mom: “If you have it every day, then it’s not special!” Now, frequency is often the subject of movies and comedians, but there is a grain of wisdom in that joke. One of our abortion fans that comments here frequently called sex “a bodily function.” Ewww, that makes it sound pretty ugly even though she’s 100% against abstinence. If someone who were trying to seduce me used the phrase ‘bodily function’ I would be totally turned off!
Ashley, with respect, the owner of this blog does not owe you a platform. If you feel the need to expose your boyfriend’s (ex-boyfriend’s?) hypocrisy, you could start a blog of your own and post the video there, along with any commentary. But the blog owner is not obligated to post a video she feels is problematic or incendiary on her personal blog.
Also, I stayed abstinent until marriage. Believe it or not, it is possible! My husband did not abstain with prior relationships. Of the two of us, he has regrets about his sexual history and I do not. And believe me, our five children (three on earth, two in heaven) are testaments to the fact that we LOVE sex. :)
Would you call someone who believes that junk food should be eaten in moderation an “anti-food nut”? Or someone who believes that medication should be taken in moderation an “anti-medicine nut”? Well, those of us who believe that sex should only be used within its proper context (marriage) are not “anti-sex” nuts. We are “pro-personal-responsibility” nuts.
Ashley, with respect, the owner of this blog does not owe you a platform. If you feel the need to expose your boyfriend’s (ex-boyfriend’s?) hypocrisy, you could start a blog of your own and post the video there, along with any commentary. But the blog owner is not obligated to post a video she feels is problematic or incendiary on her personal blog.
Boo hoo, poor abortion-pushing boyfriend. How dare anyone “expose” him? I don’t know why you’re so concerned about him and his feelings. He’s the one who wants an abortion, not me, so how am I the villain?
I’ve already agreed not to fight with him. I just don’t understand why the people on this blog are so concerned about him. Unless you just have a “blame the woman for everything” mentality.
By the way, the only time I’ve ever met O’Keefe, he was hanging out with the babydaddy at CPAC. I’m fairly sure most conservatives are hypocrites.
Ashley – I know that you are going through a tough patch right now – and we are supporting your decision to allow your baby life. I know that men in your life, including the man who wronged you, did not do the right thing in protecting you and protecting your baby.
I know there are good people and that there are bad people, and not everyone in a group (liberal/democrat/black/white/rich/poor/Christian/otherwise) is one way or another. You just happened to get someone who was not mature or good in regards to you and our child.
What that young man missed is called ‘Unity of Life’ which is where your beliefs match up with your everyday actions – and hopefully good ones. In the Catholic faith – this is known as the Universal Call to Holiness – where every individual is called to live a holy and honorable life; to improve in the virtues and avoid vice and sin; to become more like Christ in every way spiritually. Basically to become the best version of ourselves – just as God had in mind when we were just an idea before and when He made us.
Please Ashley – it’s understandable that you are mad at this guy and that you are disappointed with him, to put it mildly. In the end, though, all these things are learning experiences in how to or how to not live life. That is why many people get wiser with age.
The earlier one is on the path to holiness, the easier life is and the more free one is really – since one lives a life that is based on goodness, service to others, right decisions and self-mastery. Love wins out in the end if we learn our lessons right.
Keep on trucking – and keep trying to have a positive attitude. We here want your success. We want you to grow and love and live big. We have faith in you. And now, it’s time to help yourself think positively and to adopt new ways of thinking and doing – ways that help you and your child and others along the right path – the path of unity of life and the call to holiness.
one step at a time. baby steps, so to speak, are still good, especially if they are in the right direction.
love big, learn, grow. repeat.
Ashley, if you want to “expose” your boyfriend/ex-boyfriend, feel free. In fact I think it’d be good for truly committed pro-lifers who may be associating with him to know that he’s not living up to his responsiblities as the father of an unborn child. There are several free services out there (e.g., Blogspot) where you can start your own blog and expose any hypocrisy you wish to expose.
However, Jill does not owe you a platform to do the above. As blog owner, she is the supreme authority on what does or does not get posted on her blog and in her blog comments. That’s all anyone is saying.
Kel, you are correct.
Politically baiting, and the “pity poor me” mentality, blaming everybody else but reserving no blame for herself?
This bell rings a little hollow.
Ashley, heres some unsweetened honesty.
At 22, you are an adult. Act like one. Don’t wait on someone else to go first.
Ashley,
Enough already.
Ashley,
Not ALL pro-lifers are hypocrites. NO ONE on this site has EVER even implied that “you’re getting what you deserve”
Not ALL men are immature, selfish spoiled creeps.
Don’t insult those of us who abstained until marriage (I was FORTY, Ashley).
Your situation with your boyfriend/ex-boyfriend and your pregnancy hormones are dictating your behavior right now
We’re here FOR you, Ashley, not AGAINST you.
Hey Ashley – I consider myself conservative, and I am not a hypocrite. Please do not broad-brush everyone. Your former boyfriend was not a good person (let’s hope he grows up and becomes a good man). In the meantime – pray for his conversion. If God can help Saul, who was killing and persecuting Christians into Paul – one of the pillars and defenders of the Church and Christianity, then there is hope for all of us, including that exbf.
The main thing is to heal yourself. Go to a Rachel’s Vineyard retreat, hang out with good people who support you in the most beneficial way, get some good grounding and grow.
I know you are angry, with good reason. and being betrayed by someone who should have had your best interests at heart (emotionally, physically and spiritually), really cuts to the core. Now you need healing and forgiveness – for yourself and him. Someday, you will grow into that. It may take a longtime, but it\’s possible.
In the meantime – help yourself to be the most magnificent Ashley you can be – loving, merciful, generous, cheerful, calm, joyful, diligent and caring of others (including those who wound you, as well as yourself). you are a mom – so take good care of your body, your emotions and your spiritual life. Try to hang out with people who are positive. Goodness multiplies in the right environment.
I know I was mad at a family member who betrayed me, and is still not acting nice. It’s a terrible feeling. I love her anyway, and it is ferociously hard to be rejected and publicly smeared. She is just misguided.
Do I wish things were different? Sure. Do I still pray for her? Of course. Do I let myself get angry and out of joint and ruin my life over her? No. Because my reaction is just that – my reaction.
And I can control what I think – because I am what I think and do.
So if I’m angry – how does that reflect the goodness of Christ? If I’m angry – how can I live in the present and be the best I can be for others and myself? If I am angry – then how can I show love to others? My anger (or whatever) is misguided. Does that mean I forget what has happened? No. Do I approve if I’m not angry? No. I need to forgive and remember – but still love.
Love is a choice. Do you have to still interact with that guy? Hopefully not. But if you do, you can be civil, and personable – but you don’t have to get close and you don’t have to be chummy.
Be big, be bold. Heal, forgive and love a lot. You deserve a man who loves you and you deserve to be the very best Ashley you are meant to be. You can do it – give it time.
Big Brother’s Josie Gibson learned an important lesson – women, don’t compromise your integrity just to “save” a relationship.
“Why does every man try to coerce abortions” – who the heck have you been hanging around with, redneck trailerpark trash!?
“Most people who say they’re pro-life are not.” – I think I’ve said something along these lines.
There ARE men in the world who DO stick by women who DO stick by pro-choice beliefs.
Kelperson, you make a point, but we don’t ban cars because of what some people do with them. So sex before marriage and non-marital cohabitations are not bad things.
Josie’s and Ashley’s boyfriends are both dirtbags.
Ashley,
I’m sorry you feel so much anger and pain right now. I understand why you feel the way you do, but there is a great deal of vitriol in your posts. Honestly, you aren’t doing any favors to your argument.
Take a breather, actually think about what is being said rather than what you’re inferring (for instance, I would be SHOCKED to hear Kel say anything that could reasonably translated to calling you such awful terms and indicating that you got what you deserved). Then come back and see that we feel for you, we are sending our love, and we hope that you see that there are better things in this life than the fleeting and worldly experience of casual sex.
Ashley… birth control DOES fail. It is a false sense of assurance if you think it does not. Look at the photo of those tootsies on my facebook. Those tootsies exist despite my faithful and CORRECT usage of Yaz.
And every day I thank God for allowing my birth control to fail and blessing me with my boy!
HUGS to you Ashley. I know things are tough for you right now.
BTW, have you all heard porn star and recently post-abortive (again) mom Kacey Jordan just attempted suicide? She was rushed to the hospital.
Abortion causes pain. Josie spoke out and the commenters on the story were saying “Its not a big deal. It was a long time ago” blah blah blah.
My friend had an abortion 13 years ago and still cries over it. Why are women belittled for feeling pain over their lost children? Kind of reminds me of Bethany’s book about miscarriage where she writes how some people think you are being dramatic or silly if you grieve over a baby you’ve miscarried. Why aren’t moms allowed to mourn their babies born and unborn?
Forbidden grief, Sydney.
We are considered insane for grieving “cells” that died in our miscarriages or abortions.
Ashley, if you’re reading this, I was not going to “tell Townhall” anything. I was pointing out your own hypocrisy to YOU. I don’t know who the editor is, nor do I read it. I just know they are “conservative,” and today you decided to trash conservatives. That’s why I said what I did. I’m not “taunting you with Townhall threats.” You’re reading too much into what I said – pretty much like you have been all day.
Chill.
Kelperson, you make a point, but we don’t ban cars because of what some people do with them. So sex before marriage and non-marital cohabitations are not bad things.
“Banning” extramarital sex wasn’t even something I talked about, “Reality.” Apparently, you equate “legal” with “moral” or “good.” I happen to think that there are many things which are legal which are not necessarily constructive or good for individuals. Extramarital/premarital sex is one of those things.
I’m a woman, btw. So now you know the “person” part of “Kelperson” is female. :D
You are still a person Kellady. I also think there are things which are legal but are not constructive or ‘good’ for people. Non-marital and premarital sex do not fall into that category. There are so many unhappy and abusive marriages.
That’s true, Reality. There are. Perhaps if people tried to focus on unselfish love for one another, we’d all be better off.
for instance, I would be SHOCKED to hear Kel say anything that could reasonably translated to calling you such awful terms and indicating that you got what you deserved
Yeah, I’d be shocked to hear me say that, too. :D
“What is with all these scumbag men out there??!!”
The fact that is hidden by the feminists is that men invented abortion, men created the “pro-choice” lie, and men are the greatest beneficiaries of abortion.
Ashley
You are in my daily prayers. I am praying for a healthy pregnancy for you & baby. I know you are going through a lot right now. I pray that everything works out for you. Don’t give up on your dream to be a writer. You can still be a writer AND a mom.
And yes, Josie from Big Brother learned a lot and I hope she is finding healing.
Yes Kellady, love. And you mention unselfish love, would that not include allowing others to live as they wish rather than how you deem appropriate?
“men invented abortion,” – can you show me the evidence for that please?
“men created the “pro-choice” lie,” – this one too please.
“and men are the greatest beneficiaries of abortion” – might as well tackle this one too while you’re about it.
Reality, abortion has existed for thousands of years. The original Hippocratic Oath forbade abortions. Abortion existed when only men were doctors. Therefore, men invented abortion.
One of the men who founded the pro-abortion movement in America invented the “pro-choice” slogan. The pro-abortion movement is younger than the Women’s Rights Movement in America, as indicated by the fact that the original Women’s Rights Advocates were anti-abortion. I don’t recall the name of the pro-abort who invented the “pro-choice” slogan, but I do remember reading that he laughed out loud when he first thought of it. He knew it was completely absurd.
Men benefit the most from abortion. This is obvious, but it’s been hidden by the pro-aborts. Abortion was invented and still exists today so that men can use women for their own amusement without being forced to take care of a baby or pay money to the woman. While abortion wreaks havoc on a woman’s body and often leaves her emotionally scarred, it allows men to escape responsibility completely and continue to live like animals with no consequences whatsoever.
Am I missing something? Is this the Ashley who had an abortion before? If so, it’s fantastic that you seem to have grown and are accepting responsibility and giving this baby a chance at life (and in the face of what seems like pretty substantial pressure too). But how can you, with a straight face, go off the deep end towards someone who’s advocating the same thing you once advocated as a solution (and until pretty recently, still did). Is it really just that he’s a hypocrite? I don’t believe you would be less hurt right now if he had said right from the getgo that he was using you for sex and wanted no part of future responsibilities with you. Which frankly is Kel’s point. Talk is cheap and nowhere cheaper than when the clothes are about to come off free and clear of commitment. You might luck out and get a guy who stands by his word, but then again, you might get losers who want to take the what is sold as the “easy way out”. He wouldn’t be a different person if you had married him. But that’s the point. You probably wouldn’t have married this guy. To quote the great “sex talk” Kurt’s dad gave on Glee last week:
“You gotta know that it means something. It’s doing something to you, to your heart, to your self-esteem — even though it feels like you’re just havin’ fun. Kurt, when you’re ready, I want you to be able to … do everything. But when you’re ready, I want you to use it as a way to connect to another person. Don’t throw yourself around like you don’t matter. ‘Cause you matter, Kurt.’”
You matter too Ashley.
I don’t recall the name of the pro-abort who invented the “pro-choice” slogan, but I do remember reading that he laughed out loud when he first thought of it. He knew it was completely absurd.
John Lewandowski,
The person you are thinking of is Dr. Bernard Nathanson, co-founder of NARAL, former abortionist who became pro-life.
“We in NARAL were in the business of coining slogans principally for the media . . . we scattered catchy slogans for them . . . to use . . . in their stories. Slogans like “reproductive rights,” “freedom of choice,” “pro-choice.” For many years we’ve known them to be hollow and meaningless. They’re just catchy and, essentially, without substance.”
“It’s amusing to me that many of the slogans I coined . . . in those years are still being used by NARAL . . . as arguments. They were never meant to be arguments. They were only . . . slogans . . . and many other things, but never the truth.”
For more information, Nathanson’s autobiography, The Hand of God, is available at (888) 219-4747.
Source
http://www.eadshome.com/mm/Nathanson.pdf
Yes Kellady, love. And you mention unselfish love, would that not include allowing others to live as they wish rather than how you deem appropriate?
I have loved a drug addict. Should I have never asked him to stop doing heroin? The heroin which took his life, I might add. Because I loved him, I asked him to stop making a choice that was destroying him, and a choice that eventually did take his life – and has now affected his entire family and his friends.
Sitting back and watching while someone else self-destructs is not love. Allowing someone to have an abortion without telling her how it could affect her life and how it will take the life of the developing human within her is not love. Allowing someone to kill themselves or others without trying to stop them is not love.
It is apathy.
No man is worth having an abortion for. No man is worth that much. Kill your baby to please a man. NO, don’t do it. I guarantee you, he’s not worth it.
I find your response to lack academic rigour John L.
‘Reality, abortion has existed for thousands of years.’ – true
‘The original Hippocratic Oath forbade abortions.’ – I’ll accept your claim at face value but remember that things change over time.
‘Abortion existed when only men were doctors. Therefore, men invented abortion.’ – logic fail! That’s like saying BP invented petrol because I can get petrol from BP. Abortion existed long before anyone were ‘doctors’ and most physical and herbal abortions were devised and administered by women.
‘One of the men who founded the pro-abortion movement in America invented the “pro-choice” slogan.’ – maybe, but who says pro-choice is a lie? I’m not going to take a lot of notice of someone who has flip-flopped, what else has and does he lie about?
‘The pro-abortion movement is younger than the Women’s Rights Movement in America, as indicated by the fact that the original Women’s Rights Advocates were anti-abortion.’ – so what?
‘Men benefit the most from abortion. This is obvious, but it’s been hidden by the pro-aborts. Abortion was invented and still exists today so that men can use women for their own amusement without being forced to take care of a baby or pay money to the woman. While abortion wreaks havoc on a woman’s body and often leaves her emotionally scarred, it allows men to escape responsibility completely and continue to live like animals with no consequences whatsoever’ – an emotive and non-evidential statement.
So, no evidence for any of those three points then.
Sorry Kellady, I didn’t realise that you go through life with a blinkered and myopic view and understanding of things. Did you stand near his dealer with placards and praying? Did you complain to the police that he was using drugs?
The difference is that heroin use is nearly always a hugely negative way of life. It’s also illegal. Abortion isn’t.
Well said Cecilia, I agree – you should only do it for yourself.
Ashley, why would you paint all pro-lifers with the brush of the people who have let you down? Have you not had support and encouragement from pro-life conservative women and men over the last several months? Do we not matter because you don’t see us in person? Sydney, Carla, Gerard, Lauren, Nick, etc…so many have been there for you through your difficult times. And we have never “dumped” you for any reason, and don’t plan to, ever- no matter what you say or do. For you to say that all pro-lifers are hypocrites like your boyfriend and parents is like a slap in the face to those of us who truly care about you.
Plus, all of the people you are here arguing with- they all care about you just as much as we who have talked to you every day do.
Your boyfriend and your parents have shown themselves to be hypocrites, yes. You know how I feel about that- but that doesn’t make everyone else who calls themselves pro-life a hypocrite. It is simply not fair to paint everyone with the same paintbrush, especially when all we have shown you is kindness. We care about you and your baby, sincerely. And we are pro-life and conservative.
Oh yes, Reality. Kill your child for your own selfish reasons. Sounds so much better.
Sorry Kellady, I didn’t realise that you go through life with a blinkered and myopic view and understanding of things. Did you stand near his dealer with placards and praying? Did you complain to the police that he was using drugs?
The difference is that heroin use is nearly always a hugely negative way of life. It’s also illegal. Abortion isn’t.
Thank you so much for minimizing the death of my friend and my relationship with him. Truly, your compassion for humanity warms my heart.
So your last sentence indicates to me that you feel you can judge what a “hugely negative way of life” is. And it also sounds as if you indeed are judging the morality of something by its legal status. Aren’t you now going against your own argument? Make up your mind.
Reality,
Archeological evidence, both at digs and in discovered texts, absolutely does NOT support Naral & Planned Parenthood’s false claim that abortion has always been practiced for thousands of years. In fact, archeological evidence shows that infanticide was how people got rid of their children in the past. Even as recently as the Civil War, any kind of invasive procedure could result in deadly infection and so infanticide by exposure and drowing is the way it’s often been perpetrated. Herbal potions? Poisonous and deadly to the mother. Historically, before the 20th century, abortion actually was rare. You know what rare means, right? Over 50 million children murdered in a 40 year period is anything but rare.
People who are pro-choice are desperate to believe that abortion is normal and has always existed. It’s not and it hasn’t.
I wonder if Ashley is really Ashley. She or He sounds like many of those Trolls that go to religious or coservative political sites inorder to plant false stories to discredit their opponents. If you don’t know about Trools,go and Google it. Ashley might go under the name of Bruce or Samantha at other times and at other places.
Jack,
I am friends with Ashley on facebook, and I have very good reasons to believe she is the same person, a real person, and who she says she is. If not, she has gone through a HUGE amount of work to try and fool me (as well as several others on this blog who know her through facebook). But we have known her for well over a year now, and she is going through some very, very difficult things, and I think she is just simply having a hard time with all of the things that are happening in her life right now.
Bobby Baby,
Ashley may be exactly what she says that she is. However the form and the manner of her emails make me suspicious. I’ve been around a long time,I’m what is called a senior citizen. I have a twenty year history doing Pro-life work in Nyc and know how Pro-aborts operate. My friends and I go to pray and counsel at abortion sites and over the years we’ve been able to help a number of women save their babies. We have been accused over the years by the Pro-Choicers of committing various unlawful or criminal acts and none of their complaints can be supported by facts. I could go on and on regarding the false claims made but by the time I finished, I would be closer to death. This past Saturday my sidewalk counselor friends had a nice turn around,a young Afro-American. She had been to a large abortion provider who had been responsible for approx. 20,ooo per year. Yes that’s right,20,000 per. The young woman decided to keep her child and we escorted her to an Ob-Gyn physician that a local pregnancy center had contacted. We are Pro-Life conservatives. Would Ashley consider us hypocrites?
My comments weren’t meant to be a giant poke in your ribs Kellady. My point was that anti-choicers will protest, wave placards and pray outside abortion clinics which are legal and don’t have a deleterious impact in the majority of cases. But what action did you take when someone was doing something which is not legal and which is deleterious in the majority of cases.
The facts are in regarding heroin use as to it being a “hugely negative way of life”.
“And it also sounds as if you indeed are judging the morality of something by its legal status.” – no, I was asking you.
ninek, there have been herbal abortions since before the Egyptian civilization and they have been common amongst ‘tribal’ societies. And you are right to an extent, when they didn’t practice abortion, they practiced infanticide. Unwanted pregnancies have always been terminated, some later than others.
“any kind of invasive procedure could result in deadly infection” – but it didn’t stop them.
“Herbal potions? Poisonous and deadly to the mother” – but it didn’t stop them.
“People who are pro-choice are desperate to believe that abortion is normal and has always existed. It’s not and it hasn’t.” – it is and it has and it always will be.