PETA equates eating Thanksgiving turkeys with eating human babies
People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals is well known to use sensationalism to get noticed.
So I hesitate to even draw attention to PETA’s Thanksgiving ploy, because I suppose I’m falling right into their hands.
But equating human babies with turkeys bears mention as a glimpse into the warped mind of PETA founder Ingrid Newkirk.
First, a description of PETA’s gimmick, from its press release:
Philadelphia and Baltimore may be a little safer after PETA members worked tirelessly to get baby-killers off the streets – the killers of baby turkeys, that is.
A baby doll bedecked with frills served as the centerpiece for this eerie Thanksgiving dinner, making the point that farmers drug and breed turkeysto grow so fast that most are only months old when they are slammed upside down into metal shackles, only to have their throats slit. (What kind of job is that? But who pays someone to do it? The consumer!)
But as we hear out there, ever more people are turning to a meal that celebrates life and spares a turkey, not “pardons” one. After all, what crime could a baby have committed?
That PETA borrows pro-life terminology to equalize animals with humans is unmistakable.
But Newkirk thinks there is no difference. As she once famously said, “When it comes to feelings like hunger, pain, and thirst, a rat is a pig is a dog is a boy.” Watch this trailer from the HBO documentary, “I am an animal: The story of Ingrid Newkirk and PETA,” and imagine Newkirk is speaking against abortion rather than mistreating animals:
Newkirk has a odd take on human offspring, viewing them as idols created of oneself. According to Monsters and Critics:
For Newkirk, the crucial stake is always the animals – endangered and voiceless. Newkirk won’t own any pets, long ago gave up on her “lovely marriage” (“I just honest to god didn’t have time for it”), and had herself sterilized at the age of 22, as she determined then that “there was something wrong with wanting your own child,” coming up with a mirror of yourself when there were plenty of children who needed homes.
An atheist, Newkirk reasons that “the horrors in this world could never have been created by a loving god.”
At the same time, PETA considers children prime candidates for indoctrination. From the Los Angeles Times:
The turkey dog has stirred up controversy with its aim directly at kids. Billboards featuring the turkey with a dog’s head and a provocative message – “Kids: If you wouldn’t eat your dog, why eat a turkey?” – have been posted in seven states, some of them outside public schools.
I wonder how it would go over were pro-lifers to create a billboard for kids stating, “If you wouldn’t chop up your dog, why chop up a baby?” or “If you wouldn’t yank off your dog’s leg, why pull off the leg of a baby?” Etc.
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
I would eat a dog. I actually would eat any animal. I’m a meat eater. Animals are not people. And if they want to say that humans are animals.. well, animals eat each other. So either way the PETA people are strange to me. But they can do what they want. I’ll still be eating meat.
And did this Newkirk lady who sterilized herself actually end up adopting a child in need? I’m assuming the answer to that is a big fat no.
Well, as I’ve said before…
I’m a vegetarian - but not really a big supporter of PETA as they’ve been getting crazier and crazier every time I turn around – and clearly do not eat turkey for Thanksgiving or any time…
But it upsets me grately that most vegetarians are still pro-abortion.
It really makes no sense to me, at all.
Nuke the whales.
This is the organization that equates the slaughter of chickens to the slaughter of Jews during the Holocaust. What a sick and twisted mentality PETA has. I seem to remember Dennis Prager interviewing Newkirk years ago on talk-radio. He questioned her as to whether she was pro-abortion. I wish I could remember exactly what she said, but I don’t think she ever really answered the question. The show may be archived, but my guess is that she has no problem with fetuses being dismembered.
PETA is annoying. They’re the wierdo group on the fringe of animal rights and the fringe of sustainable diets that gets all the attention of the media. They’re some crazy whack jobs running that group. Most of my vegan and vegetarian friends don’t support PETA. They consider and I agree with them, PETA to be like the Westboro Baptist Church of animal rights.
An atheist, Newkirk reasons that “the horrors in this world could never have been created by a loving god.”
These kinds of comments never fail to make me laugh. :D
I imagine dear Ingrid reserves the right to call herself an animal, but would have a severe problem if most people began to refer to her as a cockroach or a parasitic insect. Would should an animal be of more value than anything else?
BTW Jill – that seems like an excellent suggestion: doing a side by side comparison that showed the results of abortion and say, mutilated puppies would make for a very interesting street interview – asking which picture offends you more?
Just a guess, but we’ve been so desensitized to violence against humans, the mutilated mutts would probably take the sympathy.
Ugh, PETA. I am with Amber. Seriously tired of people thinking that I hate humans and am crazy because I don’t eat meat.
Don’t target kids, jerk PETA advertisers.
Duck, that is a good point, it is kind WBC! I never even had that thought.
Jack – you’re a vegetarian, too? I knew we were best friends ;)
“..she determined then that “there was something wrong with wanting your own child,”
…hmmm…and I thought that THAT was a mothere’s natural/ maternal instincts kicking in….be it human or animal.
Sooo…she’s saying it’s ok for animals to reproduce and care for their young BUT it’s not ok for humans to do the same?? I don’t get it.
Well technically an insect is an animal. Entomology is an offshoot of zoology. So I guess according to these people a cockroach WOULD be more valuable than a human fetus.
I think that this is wonderful news. Now that turkeys and human babies are morally equivalent, we need to press PETA on how much money they will be spending on ending the barbaric procedures of tearing babies apart while alive. Politics makes strange bedfellows, but let’s hold PETA to the standard that they’ve set.
Amber, I do what I can to show how radicals are in every crowd. :)
Gerard: I like your thinking, and you are right about bedfellows. I wonder how PETA would react if a dog owner decided to rip apart the little unborn pups. Who would doubt that they would be enraged by such an act, and yet we do far worse nearly 3000X every day.
Though they’d prob. just say the dog didn’t “choose” to have an abortion, and the women do, so that’s ok.
Not that we can talk to dogs, though.
Yeah, i’d totally eat a dog, if it had been raised as a food animal. (Just like I wouldn’t want to eat a turkey if it was the family pet). Humans have been omnivores since Noah stepped off the Ark. I’m just as curious to try, say cat, as I am to try, say fresh quince, both are edible items I’ve never tasted.
peta people eating tasty animals.
Seems to me somewhere along the line someone (maybe Dennis Prager?) had asked Newkirk about abortion and she has no problems with it whatsover.
I doubt she’ll be joining the ranks of the anti-abortion movement anytime soon.
She comes across as an extremist loon. Harping on about stuff that most people consider normal and is partaken of on a widespread basis. Who does she think she is.
And attempting to compare something with the Holocaust when it has no effectively valid comparison, outrageous!
“That PETA borrows pro-life terminology to equalize animals with humans is unmistakable.”
And PETA does so because the terminology is powerful and effective.
That turkey with the dog’s head is the cutest thing ever. I may print that out.
I’ve leftover Tofurkey from Thanksgiving. Better buy another one now, while the surplus is still on sale…
She comes across as an extremist loon. Harping on about stuff that most people consider normal and is partaken of on a widespread basis. Who does she think she is.
Yep. And unlike pro-legal-abortionists trying to inflate the numbers of women who get abortions (1in3 is baloney…MOST abortions are for repeat customers. ;) ) in order to try and portray abortion as “normal”, “mainstream”, “acceptable”, “moral”, and to try and “de-stigmatize the procedure”, omnivores ARE actually the majority.
You don’t know the accurate figures xalisae, any more than I do.
Don’t forget that the majority support abortion in either some, most or all categories.
Oh, and it is normal, mainstream, acceptable, moral and legal.
It is anti-choicers who try to stigmatize abortion in an attempt to imbue guilt and get ‘converts’.
I weep for the noble stalks of celery, cut down in their prime! Never allowed to complete their life cycle! Oh, the humanity! Er, “plantocracy”!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15841448/ns/health-womens_health/t/half-us-abortions-are-repeats-women/
At least half of all abortions in the US are repeat, Now, instead of the 1 in 3 stat, that acts like every abortion is someone new among all fertile females, what would that statistic be if the 1/2 factor was applied?
Not moral, not mainstream, not acceptable, not normal, and eventually will no longer be legal (again).
it’s women who finally realize they’ve had their child killed who can recognize that that puts them in a position that they should be feeling guilty, and Pro-Lifers are here to help them through it after the “clump of cells” b.s. has been seen for what it is. I know, I’m pretty lucky, because I remember when my high school dropout s.o. was trying to sell that crap to me and luckily I had already been through college bio and watched my mom go through pregnancy and delivery of my 5 siblings, so I knew exactly what a load that was and was having none of it, but not every woman is as lucky as I had had the opportunity to be by then, and when you’re in a crappy situation, I’m sure lies that benefit you start sounding more and more believable all the time.
dogs can be given abortions. wonder how these nuts would feel about that. i remember when they protesetd a kfc and former playboy bunny pam anderson participated. oh was that funny.
reality: “Don’t forget that the majority support abortion in either some, most or all categories.”
— and “don’t forget” that those “most or all categories” account for about 2% of all abortions that take place, and that that same majority supports outlawing the other 98% of abortions: those that are purely elective and not the “hard cases.”
I have an idea for a PETA billboard for Africa:
“Hey Lions! The food chain is a myth! Go vegan!”
Did you know that every time you accidentally step on an ant, it’s just the same as accidentally running over kids on the playground with your SUV? Please be careful where you walk PETA! Those little ants are someone’s daughters and sons!
She sterilized herself so there wouldn’t be a “mirror” image of herself? Natural selection at work?
LOL Ana! I love your comments. All of them.
Xalisae: At least half of all abortions in the US are repeat, Now, instead of the 1 in 3 stat, that acts like every abortion is someone new among all fertile females, what would that statistic be if the 1/2 factor was applied?
Hang on a minute, here, X. Holy Crow… Sure, around half the abortions every year are had by women who’ve had at least one prior abortion, but in no way does that negate the “1 in 3” statistic, overall.
Roughly 2% of American women have abortions each year, over the “normal childbearing years” of ages 15 to 44, so around a 30 year span. If there was no “overlap” with some women having more than one abortion, that would mean that in the end roughly 60% of the women would be having abortions. That is not the case – there are enough women with more than one abortion that in the end the true figure is around half that.
It’s gone down over the years, too – in the 1980’s it was closer to 3% of women that had abortions in a given year. For all the griping about contraception, it’s better now and thus there are less unwanted pregnancies and less abortions per capita.
Doutg,
Stats make my head spin. I think the “half of all marriages end in divorce” stat neglects “grading on the curve”. You’ve got your Mickey Rooneys and Elizabeth Taylors with their eight and seven marriages, and your Newt Gingrichs and Rush Limbaughs with three.
The one stat - or tendency – that I think is notable is xalisae’s point that like me and my five younger siblings, pretending babies aren’t babies never worked with me either.
Hans: Stats make my head spin. I think the “half of all marriages end in divorce” stat neglects “grading on the curve”. You’ve got your Mickey Rooneys and Elizabeth Taylors with their eight and seven marriages, and your Newt Gingrichs and Rush Limbaughs with three.
Sure, that would not mean that 50% of people necessarily got divorced. Different than “half the people who get married will eventually have at least one divorce.”
In the end, it’s 3 in 10 women that will have at least one abortion, so just short of “1 in 3.” Fits perfectly with half of abortions being not the first for the given woman.
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The one stat - or tendency – that I think is notable is xalisae’s point that like me and my five younger siblings, pretending babies aren’t babies never worked with me either.
What does that have to do with anything? I’ve got four younger siblings, and what you said is no different than pretending that the unborn “cannot be babies no matter who you’re talking to.”
Ana: “I have an idea for a PETA billboard for Africa: ’Hey Lions! The food chain is a myth! Go vegan'”
Well, there’s the argument that humans are more moral creatures than lions, and can refrain from killing other animals much more easily.
Newkirk is the one I’m really concerned with here…
Does she want our race to go extinct?
Sure – there are many children who needs homes – but if we all started sterlizing ourselves because it’s odd to want your own children (that is an issue that doesn’t even deserve our acknowledgement) then eventually no one will be having any new children, and in a hundred years we’ll be gone off of the face of this Earth?!
I’ll restate my original comment about PETA… they’re the Westboro Baptist Church of vegan rights AND of animal rights groups. They’re the crazies so far out there the average believer of the “same beliefs” doesn’t associate with them. PETA is as fringe as WBC, Hutaree, Al Queda, etc. (Not saying all are terrorists or violent, I’m talking beliefs here). They don’t represent the vegan/vegetarian population, and they don’t represent the animal rights population.
Agreed, Duck, thanks! I feel like some of the comments here are border-line attacking vegetarianism just because of something PETA said – they are not the majority.
Amber, of course. We need to recognize the radicals that actually do not represent those who even hold same/similar beliefs. Just like I would in a heartbeat defend pro-lifers against the argument that they all blow up abortion clinics, it’s smart to remember that PETA doesn’t represent everyone in their community either.
Yes, even when we do not agree with others beliefs it is important to remember to stay civil and to keep in mind that the crazies are not the majority.
Exactly. :)
I just want to sat that when an abortion clinic gets blown up, I don’t feel all that bad.
Xalisae,
Re: stats on abortion, I have read that 1 in 3 women have aborted. What’s the actual number and who has the accurate stats?
And Courtnay, I’m assuming you don’t want anyone in those abortion clinics when they’re blown up, right?
“Gerard: I like your thinking, and you are right about bedfellows. I wonder how PETA would react if a dog owner decided to rip apart the little unborn pups. Who would doubt that they would be enraged by such an act, and yet we do far worse nearly 3000X every day.”
Actually, they’d probably be fine with it, as long as they get to kill them. PETA kills somewhere around 90-95% of the thousands of animals they take in a year.
http://www.petakillsanimals.com/
Their employees were also caught going to a vet office and taking healthy dogs, cats, puppies and kittens, under the guise of finding them homes, and taking them right back to their van and euthanizing them and throwing their bodies in a dumpster. PETA never condemned their actions, I believe they actually defended them, yet will call a celebrity who buys a fur coat a terrible monster and encourage people to harass them.
http://www.seattledogspot.com/2011/06/16/this-week-six-years-ago-peta-employees-were-arrested-for-throwing-pets-they-killed-in-garbage/
PETA claims all the animals they get in are beyond help and must be put down. However, they have declined releasing vet statements on the animals they kill to prove they are actually beyond help. Personally, I find it hard to believe people only bring their near-death animals to PETA. Also, PETA does not even have a space on their web page with info on the animals in their custody that need homes. Even though they claim they are equal to people, it is apparnetly not worth the time or (donation) money to build a simple adoption web page.
PETA also advocated that all of Mike Vick’s dogs be put down instead of being evaluated and adopted out. The Humane Society of the United States (basically PETA with a suit and tie) also has this position.
http://www.newser.com/story/6317/vicks-pit-bulls-could-face-euthanasia.html
“The 53 pit bulls seized from Michael Vick’s property must be claimed today—otherwise they could be euthanized. A spokeswoman for PETA claims rehabilitation isn’t an option for ex-fighting dogs. “It’s widely accepted that euthanasia is the most humane thing for them,” she said.”
I believe another group took these dogs and all but a couple were adopted out, some of them even becoming therapy animals. My uncle owns a german shepherd who does not like other dogs. According to PETA, my uncle is being inhumane because he chose just not to bring a second dog into the home instead of putting him to sleep.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/magazine/12/22/vick.dogs/
PETA puzzles me. On one hand they claim animals and people should be treated as equals, yet then they seem to have no problem killing them as long as they’re the ones doing it.
LurkyMcLurcker, well PETA doesn’t agree with domesticated animals period. Any animal not in it’s ‘natural’ state is being abused, and returning them to human homes would just be further abuse, so they would rather see them dead than homed. From guide dogs to family pets, to the family milk cow PETA, ultimately, wants them *all* freed from ‘human enslavement’. Truly, they are insane.
Courtnay, that is just not ok.
Duck, that’s just your opinion. These things can’t ever be just black and white.
Doe: Re: stats on abortion, I have read that 1 in 3 women have aborted. What’s the actual number and who has the accurate stats?
It’s really closer to 30%, i.e. 3 in 10 will have at least one abortion at current rates. Not much different at all from 1 in 3, but the 30% figure is the one I’ve seen the most.
Not sure if that’s true for women past the age of fertility right now. The number of abortions in the US, per year, is well known and not said to be inaccurate to any significant extent, as far as I know. It amounts to 2% of women from ages 15 to 44.
Courtnay, touche and nice touch adding that comment. I really do have to give you credit for that. However, that being said, I’ve never really seen the ends justify the means as being more important than the golden rule. But that’s just me.
Funny how the butchering of the innocent passes the proaborts’ muster; indeed. most will call it liberty, privacy, and righteous.
Ever heard of Dietrich Bonhoeffer? If only he had succeeded.
Abortionists are not innocent. And I know I’m supposed to be all PC and condemn all murder. So I do, because I want to be consistent in my pro-life ethic. And I know we can’t resort to lawlessness, in the end.But heart of hearts? Don’t ask me to feel regret at the death of an abortionist.
Duck, you are the poster child for the end justifying the means.
It ain’t “PC” to condemn murder, it’s basic human rights.
Courtnay, you don’t know me. You know one aspect of me. You do not know enough about me to accurately claim that I’m the poster child for ends justifying the means.
Jack, the irony. Now you want to start talking about human rights?
Duck, I’d love for you talk to an abortion survivor and ask her about THE GOLDEN RULE. Every unborn baby’s beating heart wants to live, even yours did once.
What are you talking about, Courtnay? I am anti-abortion, anti-DP, anti-bombing clinics, anti- any situation humans take other humans lives.
Courtnay: I just want to say that when an abortion clinic gets blown up, I don’t feel all that bad.
About 5 weeks ago, a guy in Georgia got all bummed out because his Taco Bell XXL Chalupas had too little meat, in his opinion. He called the manager to complain, but she said it couldn’t be helped since the place was closing for the night. He replied, “That’s alright, I’ll just come and redecorate the place.” So he fire-bombed it.
This was not long after a Missouri man pulled a gun on a Taco Bell employee when his order didn’t have the hot sauce he requested.
Moral of the story: Watch out for male Taco Bell customers. Watch out for Courtnay when she gets up on the wrong side of the bed. And vote Pro-Choice.
Courtnay,
Which “abortion survivor” the kids people parade around younger than roe v wade? Cause that’s not abortion surviving, that’s called birth.
Jack,
I’m sorry you can’t catch a break even among those who are pro-life like you.
Also, hearts don’t want to do anything. They don’t have emotions, contrary to the popular expression of “the heart wants”. It may just be me, but being extremely literal makes reading statements like that sound ridiculous to me.
REAL Moral of the story: We need to change our 1st world culture - so your order was wrong at Taco Bell – reorder it, or suck it up, eat it, and be thankful that you have food. Courtnay was wrong to say that she wouldn’t mind if an abortion clinic was blown up. That’s the attitude that gives pro-lifers a bad reputation. We should care – it goes against the teachings of Christ. We cannot be pro-life and wish death on others. Even if the building was empty, you would be breaking so many laws and acting out of pety spite. We are in a war – but not that kind fo war.
Vote Pro-Life, because we need to stop being so barbaric and killing our own children, calling it a “choice.”
I don’t know why Courtnay is upset with Jack, who is on our side – but then again, he’s against bombing abortion clinics – so maybe they’re not on the same side after all.
Both sides of the conversation are making me sick over the fact that I have association with the people here.
I don’t mean that as a blanket statement to everyone – but really, I’ve seen such petty things recently. Off-color jokes, name calling, back-and-forth bickering.
I really wish everyone would grow up – I’m probably the youngest one posting here, yet I’m wondering about the maturity of some of you.
It’s not just on this post, either.
Duck, I believe that Courtnay was speaking about people like Gianna Jennsen, or others who’s mothers actually attempted an abortion and the child survived. Technically, I guess you could consider someone like me an abortion survivor as well, since my mother sought out an abortion but wasn’t allowed to go through with it. Much as I disagree with the way she stated her point, it does have some merit. Most of us, whether we are pro-choice or not, have a will to live, even if we are nonsentient at the time that someone may not will us to live. If you do not want to have your life ended on someone else’s terms, then you should not support it for others.
But thanks, it’s irritating. I suppose I will be “prolife” enough when I support clinic bombing, or something.
Courtnay, seriously. What Amber said. When you say things like that, it gives anyone that may disagree with your abortion stance a perfectly good reason to disregard anything you have to say. It’s the same reason I can’t stand PETA and do not wish to be associated with them, even though we nominally share some of the same views.
Lol, Amber you are only a year younger than me, but I agree you beat many in maturity. :)
Haha Jack, the maturity comment wasn’t aimed towards you – OLD MAN ;)
Nah, we’re the same age for about two months… we’re both youngins!
Hi Courtnay,
Jack is prolife.
Your comment adds fuel to the fire that we are the crazies that shoot abortionists and blow up abortion mills.
Amber,
Thank you for your comment at 7:31.
Amber, Jack and Carla, correct. Those comments do add to the “crazy” stereotype. Thanks for denouncing them.
Jack, thanks for clarifying the abortion survivor thing. I’ll have to look up that person some time when I’ve got a free moment.
Amber, you and Jack are not much younger than me, but I do appreciate the maturity you both show by not getting into the name calling and bashing here, but having honest dialogue instead.
Yes, Gianna Jessen’s birth certificate says “Burn alive during a saline solution” and when she met her birth mother she told her off for speaking publically about it.
There are others like her, as well, who were born during abortion and by the grace of God not given a “partial birth abortion” or drowned, etc. like the other stories we here.
But Survivors of the Abortion Holocaust considers everyone who was born post 1973 Roe v. Wade as a survivor – because our mothers did not “choose’ abortion.
I don’t know which was being referred to earlier – but that’s what I know on the subject.
thanks Amber
But you shouldn’t concern yourself with her, Duck, since she was not yet “a member of the human being community” when she was assaulted. 9_9
Yes, Amber, Gianna Jessen’s abortionist was not on duty when she was born after the attempted abortion. He had to sign her birth certificate afterwards and it said born during saline abortion. I wish her testimony could be blasted all over Times Square.
Oh, Duck, Gianna’s testimony is all over youtube. You should really watch. She’s an amazing woman.
Doe, Jack, and Amber, thanks for the info. I’m always willing to check out information.
Xalisae, whatever. I value learning. That’s not to say that it will or will not change my opinion, that doesn’t mean you have to be snotty to me.
Duck: Also, hearts don’t want to do anything. They don’t have emotions, contrary to the popular expression of “the heart wants”. It may just be me, but being extremely literal makes reading statements like that sound ridiculous to me.
What about “The heart is a lonely hunter,” or that absence “make the heart grow fonder”? ;)
Doug, euphamisms and common expressions doesn’t make something literal fact. :)
Duck, to be serious, agreed 100%.
So, is ‘jive turkey” a euphemism?
:)
Doug,
Yes. So is “odd duck” ;)
I just finished Gianna’s book and I don’t recall her birth mother telling her off.
It is an awkward relationship as you can imagine.
You can friend Gianna on facebook btw. AMAZING woman.
Carla – I’ve never read her book (didn’t know she had one) but will have to :)
I watched one of her speeches on Youtube in which she spoke about her birth mother being upset with her for speaking out.
Yeah. It is complicated. But I do believe they have both come to terms with their stories and Gianna will never stop speaking out.
The part from the book that sticks with me?
From Page 7
She had to push-and the nurse still had not come. Reaching down, she felt the wet, solid curve of a skull. It’s a head! she thought, shocked. Her heart began to thud in her ears. How can tissue have a head? At that instant, a thin, penetrating wail pierced the quiet room. Surrounded by a roomful of women who had delivered limp, lifeless fetuses, a baby girl was making her triumphant, indignant way into the world.
In the next bed, a girl was sobbing, over and over, “It’s a baby! It’s a baby! It’s a little girl!”
http://www.amazon.com/Gianna-Aborted-Lived-Tell-About/dp/B000KUJ8FI/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1322835913&sr=1-2
Thanks for the link Carla :)
And wow – great quotes there – glad to see that they’ve come to terms, and that’s a powerful story, never heard that part before!
It is chilling. Really.
All of the other girls and women labored in beds together. Delivered their dead babies and left. Except Gianna’s mom. And there is NO REFUTING what everyone else in that room saw either!! A beautiful, perfect, premature little girl had just been born!!(If the abortionist had been there I have no doubt he would have “disposed” of her.)
God is using Gianna in some very powerful ways!!
Oh and Amber?
I am glad we met.
Same here Carla :)
And I wonder how the other girls in the room felt after they saw this birth – I wonder if they are now pro-life? It would be interesting to speak to them – though their names are probably unknown.
I wondered the same thing, Amber. How did that affect them? How are they now? They saw the birth(failed abortion attempt)of this amazing young woman named Gianna!
After my abortion in the “recovery room” all of the girls were in recliners. Crying. One was holding her stomach, rocking back and forth and sobbing and yelling, “My baby, my baby, my baby!!!” I couldn’t even comprehend at that point what she knew that I didn’t. But now I do.
That’s terrible, Carla, more women need to speak out on their experiences. Every day we hear more and more horror stories – it is sad to hear, but Praise God, the truth is finally coming out!
Silent No More just reached 10,000 men and women committed to sharing their stories!
The truth will be heard.
Xalisae, whatever. I value learning. That’s not to say that it will or will not change my opinion, that doesn’t mean you have to be snotty to me.
Not being “snotty” to you. Just trying to instigate an actual response, because I know how you guys are. You’ll say “oh, wow, I didn’t know about this.” and “I appreciate learning, yes, I’ll certainly look into it.” but you’ll never ACKNOWLEDGE it. Not really. You can’t and won’t let yourself, because these aren’t “real people” to you. Not like they are to us. And we live with these real people every day, so we know they’re real. They’re all just abstract ideas and acceptable collateral damage of “the right to choose” for you.
Your welcome, Duck. Wow, I didn’t know Gianna had a facebook. I’m going to friend her now! Thanks for the info.
Carla,
That quote disturbs me, but not in the way you’d first think. One of my many scholar subjects is English literature. If that book is supposed to be a work of non-fiction, then how does she have the authority to write in such detail of what her mom was thinking and doing, while birthing her? I mean, that would have to come from her mom, and not her. So, if that’s the case that quote should be attributed to her mom, and if it’s not attributed to her in the book, then it’s false hearsay.
You don’t always have to give your credentials or resume when you come here. You have already told us how intelligent you think you are. We get it.
I didn’t attribute that quote to anyone. It is on page 7 of the book entitled Gianna.
Gianna’s birth mother gave her abortion story to Gianna for the book. With permission.
I am sorry that feeling a tiny head during a failed abortion does not disturb you as much as “false hearsay” might. ??!!
I really don’t like talking with you. Don’t know why I bothered.
I’m not trying to flag credentials. People just seem to think that I’m making up the fact that I process the world literally part. Thank you for claryifying that the above quote was told by her mom and printed with permission. That was basically all I was wanting to know.
Duck, you’re not the only one who processes things literally. I drive all my friends crazy because I take things literally. Makes everyone stop cursing around me though (plus). I actually had the same thought when I read the quote, I just took the next step and assumed she’d gotten it from her mom. “Yes, thank you miss literal” is an oft repeated phrase I hear.
Correction
The book Gianna Aborted…and Lived to Tell About It was written by Jessica Shaver. The story was written as told to her by Gianna(saline abortion survivor)Tina(Gianna’s biological mother)Diana(Gianna’s adoptive mother)and Penny(Gianna’s foster mother)
Literally. :)
Thanks for the clarification Carla. I mean that.
Jespren, I know I get that all the effing time.