Life Links 2-3-12
by JivinJ, host of the blog, JivinJehoshaphat
- Mitt Romney writes on the Obama administration attack on religious liberty:
Liberals and conservatives have made common cause to defend the rights of religious minorities in the past. But somehow, today, when it comes to the agenda of the left-wing of the Democratic Party—those who brought us abortion on demand and who fight against the teaching of abstinence education in our children’s schools—their devotion to religious freedom goes out the window. They would force Catholics and others who have beliefs rooted in their faith to sacrifice the teachings of their faith to the mandate of federal bureaucrats.
- A Missouri couple discovered the bodies of 2 children (one 20 weeks gestation, another 28 weeks) which were persevered in jars for around 70 years.
- What else would you expect from the mayor of the abortion capital of the United States?
New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg is pledging up to $250,000 to Planned Parenthood to offset funds that were cut by the Susan G. Komen for the Cure breast cancer foundation.
Mayoral spokeswoman Samantha Levine said Thursday the billionaire mayor has promised to match future donations to Planned Parenthood up to $250,000.
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
How do we answer confused people like this?:
“Doesn’t abortion make the crime rate go down? Aren’t the same people that wind up on welfare the ones that are being prevented from being on welfare ( through abortion)? In an ideal world, no one would would have sex out of wedlock and have babies, but since we can’t police other people’s sexual behavior, then it seems strange to talk horribly about “welfare moms” and the poor. They wouldn’t be paid to have babies if they would just get rid of the babies right? I think people should stop acting like they really care about poor people’s children…these babies just grow up to be criminals. Deep down inside, everybody only wants beautiful white women who have made an “oops” mistake to keep their babies, the rest of the kids be darned.”
Like, literally, a coworker expressed these sentiments, and I don’t really know how to answer outside of the “there is hope and potential in all life..” Help!
Holly, I’m afraid there is no cure for your co-worker’s stupidity. I’m very, very sorry.
So, Catholics support Obama and Obamacare and guess what? He sticks it to them.
Folks, learn a few simple facts when it comes to dealing with a sociopath like Obama.
They will charm and manipulate, be your best friend for one reason, they want something from you, in this case Obama wanted Catholic support and votes. He got 54% of their vote. You served your purpose folks, understand? Really bites, doesn’t it? But hey, look at poor Rev.Wright. Whatever you think of the good reverend, let’s face it, its pretty crappy of Obama to compare him to the embarassing senile old uncle in the attic. And that’s after not hearing a thing the reverend said even though he sat in his pews for 20 years. The same reverend Wright who married Obama, baptized his children, and served as his mentor. Come on, even you most devoted of Obama fans have got to admit this is scraping the toilet.
But my goodness, just because Obama tossed Rev. Wright under the bus for political expediency doesn’t mean he’d to it to anyone else. Nooooooooo. You see folks Obama had to satisfy his base, so that meant, well, s—- you. I’d be willing to bet my paycheck its what he planned all along.
So let this be a lesson folks. When dealing with the sociopath always remember the analogy of the “pet” boa constrictor. No matter how “friendly” “docile” “tame” or “affectionate”, you disregard the real nature of the snake/sociopath at your own risk.
Romney has confused ‘religious liberty’ with religious authoritarianism.
People can practice their faiths and beliefs but the US is not a theocracy.
Obama has allegiance to one church: himself. How Catholics voted for this butcher in chief is entirely beyond me.
Excuse me Reality,
The US is not a theocracy, nor is it a dictatorship, well its not supposed to be anyway.
There is something called religious freedom.
What would be your reaction if Obama decreed that Muslim stores must sell liquor or Hindu grocers must sell meat?
You know as well as I that Obama is kissing the backsides of his base, period.
Hi Courtnay 6:16PM
They got taken in big time by a sociopath, sorry to say, as did so many Americans.
They’re just learning that lesson the hard way.
“There is something called religious freedom.” – there certainly is. And lets keep it that way.
“What would be your reaction if Obama decreed that Muslim stores must sell liquor or Hindu grocers must sell meat?” – if they were being government funded to provide a product or service then I would expect them to provide all legitimate products or services or go do something else.
“You know as well as I that Obama is kissing the backsides of his base, period.” – and the gop candidates are doing what exactly?
I see, so you would demand that the Hindu grocer who obtained a business loan to open his store from the bank that was forced to take TARP funds, that Obama refuses to let banks pay back, would thus have to sell meat in his market if Obama so decreed?
Oh and Reality,
Exactly what are “all legitimate products or services”? Shouldn’t individual businesses determine this or does Obama?
The business loan is between the grocer and his/her bank. The grocer isn’t being given funding which he does not have to repay.
Products and services which it is legal to provide and/or sell as determined by the laws of the US on an ongoing basis.
Reality,
Not so fast. The Hindu grocer is getting a loan from the bank, i.e. government money.
Catholic hospitals provide many services “free of charge” with the gov’t funds they receive.
I know that from caring for any number of indigents off the streets that the gov’t has decreed that we must care for.
Soooo, what exactly is this grocer required to sell as determined by the laws of the US?
Can Obama decree this grocer sell meat?
“The Hindu grocer is getting a loan from the bank” – the operative word is ‘loan’. It’s not a grant.
Reality,
Its government money. Like the money the Catholic hospital gets to care for indigents.
Yay, religious freedom for everyone, except you, and you, and you, and you…
I guess it’s too late to climb on the Mayflower and sail back?
No Mary, he/she is not being given a grant or funding to provide a product or service. The funds must be repaid.
There is religious freedom ninek. No-one stops people going to church, praying, reading their bible, only having sex within marriage, not having gay relationships, not using contraception or not having an abortion.
Mandating such things would be a different kettle of fish.
Reality,
Its gov’t funds. The grocer repays the loans. The Catholic hospital must use gov’t funds to help pay for the care for those who do/can not pay. Six one way, half dozen the other.
Does the catholic hospital or those it assists repay the funds?
If not then it isn’t “six one way, half a dozen the other’.
Reality,
I said the funds are used for those who can not or do not pay.
Six one way half dozen the other.
So, can Obama dictate that the Hindu grocer sell meat?
What exactly is it that you don’t understand about the difference between grants and loans?
Reality,
What is it you don’t exactly understand as government, i.e.taxpayer money??
That’s not a very good attempt at evading the point.
Loans or grants, that’s what the imperatives hinge on.
Reality,
Don’t talk to me about evading the point. YOU brought up the argument that government money means the government dictates.
If the governement gives funds which are not a loan and are not required to be repaid then whoever receives those funds can be required to provide goods and services which it is legal to provide.
If someone borrows funds which they will repay, then they have freedom on what they will provide.
That is the point.
Reality,
The government is giving funds to Catholic hospitals to provide care to those in need that cannot pay for it. The grocer uses government funds, until he pays them back, which may be years, to start his grocery.
Both are using government funds, the Catholic hospital is providing a government mandated service. So does Obama have a right to dictate to the Hindu grocer as well as the Catholic hospital?
Key words here: government funds
New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg is pledging up to $250,000 to Planned Parenthood to offset funds that were cut by the Susan G. Komen for the Cure breast cancer foundation.
Mayoral spokeswoman Samantha Levine said Thursday the billionaire mayor has promised to match future donations to Planned Parenthood up to $250,000.
Well it’s refreshing to see a liberal at least giving lip service to spending his/her own money for a change.
Mr. Mayor,
Could we have your ‘pledge’ in the form of a cashiers check or pre-paid debit card?
The mandate is being imposed on everyone. Even if they have never taken anything in government funds. All Catholic and other employers (it is NOT just Catholics) who because of their religious beliefs this mandate goes against their conscience, will be forced to purchase this whether or not they receive gov. funding.
And also, if the government gives you money does that mean they then are allowed to buy off your freedom, your liberty?
Yes. There would still be religious freedom- if that means just going to church. But that’s not what religion is, and is a convenient way to redefine it, akin to Hillary Clinton and Obama’s “Freedom to Worship” ”rewrite” of the first amendment.
”Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.”
Whether or not a person agrees about the product at hand (contraception/abortion/sterilizations), all people should be concerned about a government brazenly telling a people that they must violate their conscience.
Hi Kris,
Many good points I wish I had thought of. Does receiving any type of government funding or help entitle the government to dictate any aspect of your life, like what you say, where you worship, or what you read? Are all citizens receiving social security required to read certain books or forbidden to attend political rallies?
Let’s face it, this is Obama kissing the backsides of the people who’s support he desperately needs and a blatant infringement on religious freedom. BTW, can Obama also dictate that insurance plans must cover cosmetic surgery? Why just contraception?
Hi Kris,
Concerning your excellent point about the First Amendment, this is just another example of Obama using our Constitution to line the bottom of his bird cage.