College abortion supporters afraid of debate
Yesterday youthful abortion supporters protested Students for Life of America’s “I Vote Pro-Life First” college campus tour stop at Indiana University-Purdue University Ft. Wayne.
The administration had separated our two groups, so I walked to the pro-abortion area to tell them about my experience with Barack Obama, since they were positioned too far away to hear me.
After I introduced myself, their leader (second from left in photo above) yelled, “Don’t listen to her, and remember not to talk!”
I got only as far as a couple lines into my testimony when she started shout-singing the song, “If You’re Happy and You Know It.”
I thought what a strange response that was. Why would college students in particular be so afraid to hear the other side of an issue? Isn’t that part of the reason they’re in college?
I approached the young woman holding the “1 in 3 Women will have an abortion in her lifetime” sign, and asked her, “Do you know that one in three children of your generation were killed by abortion?”
She responded, “I think that’s great!”
“Excuse me?” I asked, pulling out my video camera. “Would you mind repeating that?”
“Don’t talk to her!” their leader shouted again, and the sign holder went mum. I knew she had been put on the spot and was blurting out something I hope she didn’t really mean, but I realized why the group had been instructed not to listen or speak: They haven’t thought beyond the clichés – and are either afraid or don’t want to.
I thought were the situation reversed, and these pro-abortion young people had tried to engage the pro-life young people in conversation, our side would have been happy to comply. We have great depth of knowledge. I have never heard a pro-lifer say, “Don’t listen to them, and don’t speak!” How odd and how revealing that would be.
How odd and revealing my encounter yesterday was.
Here’s a great recap of our event by IndianaNewsCenter.com. I’m so proud of our young people!
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
No, college students are certainly not in college to learn about opposing points of view. Some of them are there to obtain a piece of paper which will enable them to get a well paying job, regardless of whether or not they truly have the necessary skills to perform the job well. Some of them are there to have a good time, since no responsible adult is present to stop them from behaving badly. The way that college professors are set up on a pedestal as though they are the gods of destiny for thousands of young adults, it’s no wonder that so many people go to college and get their minds closed.
As a young person, I’m embarrassed to be part of the same generation as these willfully ignorant abortion supporters. Thank goodness they’re a shrinking minority as more and more decide to defy authority and open their ears! And thank goodness for the awesome youth of Students for Life.
WOW!! What a pathetic bunch. So the leader who organized this Dead Babies R Us crew gave them instructions “Don’t talk to pro-lifers you just might just learn something that will change your mind about slaughtering unborn babies, you are too ignorant about the topic you are protesting to have a civil discourse about it.” Well at least they didn’t shout you down like the students at Georgia State (I think it was) who refused to even let Ryan Bomberger speak when he was invited to speak. That’s “pro-choice” for you.
Wow, I didn’t know Jill had the voice of Saruman! Powerful stuff, lol!
So…..these are the “Champions” of choice? And their so-called leader didn’t even give them the choice to listen or speak???
Very telling.
That’s a typical reaction for a large number of college students. I protest PP across from Colorado State U. and it’s the same thing. They’re not interested in anything beyond there mindless cliches. John L’s. comments above hit the nail on the head.
They can’t listen, Jill. Because if they did, their hearts would break.
Pathetic. That’s the only word for them.
I recall reading the recountings of otherwise good and faithful Christians (including Catholics, I expect) living in Germany during the Nazi years. They told of how, while they were in church, the trains heading to the concentration camps sometimes went by and, in response, everyone inside the church sang louder so as not to hear the trains. They did this to try to shut out the truth that they couldn’t face in an attempt to assuage their consciences.
The Lord of all mercy knows that I myself have done similar things, so I can claim no innocence in this matter.
However, I still wonder how many of these deceived people are in essentially the same position; they’ve been fed lies and they know in their hearts the hollowness of what they profess, but they’re afraid of what will be required of them and what it will cost them to honestly look at it and respond humanely.
I just hope and pray that the inescapable contrast between the joy and openness common to pro-lifers and the defensive silence of the pro-aborts is enough to give them pause and cause to reconsider their stance.
Fittingly, there’s always room for more people in the pro-life movement. :-)
Turns out that more people like the President’s views on abortion than Romney’s:
The president also leads Romney on nearly every major issue, according to Pew. Obama has double-digit leads in the poll on foreign policy, the Middle East, healthcare, Medicare and abortion.
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/polls/250453-pew-obama-opens-up-big-lead-nationally
Well there ya go, Hal. An Obama win is in the bag. You shouldn’t even bother to go vote. ;-D
I don’t know why you don’t try to drown them out. Every time I see a pro-life speaker being shouted down by people who are still in the minority in the room, I wonder why the others in the room don’t just talk over them — with megaphones, if necessary.
I would tell the “my body, my choice” that I agree with her. Obviously she chooses to stuff her body with twinkies and ho-ho’s. I support her right to do that. I support her right to not exercise. She can do to HER body whatever she wants to. But please the body of her unborn child out of it.
And the tired old “Don’t like abortion? Don’t have one!” GOOD GRIEF KIDS….I know you’re pretty new on the earth here, but we’ve already laid these overused slogans to rest. Your signs are as stupid as if a man strutted around holding a “don’t like rape? Don’t commit one!”
Please children. Put the signs away. Open your ears and shake the cobwebs out of your skulls and use your grey matter for ONCE. You may learn something!
This was hilarious yet sad for me.
I found it hilarious that they were told not to speak! And let’s all sing If You’re Happy and You Know It! Cause that shows just how serious they take their slogans and empty stance. What could they possibly use to counter our prolife arguments?
Sad because I see these women that have been deceived into thinking that aborting their child will bring FREEDOM and EQUALITY. Which it never will. Either they are post abortive or one day will exercise their “right to choose” to kill their baby.
And that breaks my heart.
And again with the wire hanger?
Give it a rest already!!
@Hal – RealClearPolitics has Obama ahead by three points: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html
In the last election cycle, Pew and Rasmussen were the most accurate pollsters, but Ras (who does lean Republican) has Obama up by two in his latest tracking polol.
I think that much depends on the debates and voter turnout, so don’t bring out the champagne just yet.
Please, although it is surely tempting, don’t assume all college students are mindless drones. These are–I won’t deny that. But, there are some of us out there who are willing to listen and to think still.
My life, my actions and thoughts, my path to accepting Christ–all examples of this. A couple of years ago, I was one of the ignorant ones. I may have even held my own crazy signs. If everyone had dismissed me as just another closed-minded college student, I would never have gotten to where I am today.
God bless you, Jill. If even one hardened heart like mine is reached, I believe it was well worth it.
HAL,
Have you taken the ‘pledge of allegiance’ to b o yet.
How long before the obsequious obamaphiles get the tattoo in the middle of their foreheads?
Is emptying b o’s chamber pot purely a labor of love or do you do it because you derrive some sort perverse pleasure from the experience?
Do you have any photos from the 70’s of you wearing a pastel polyester leisure suit and platform shoes?
You are foraging around in that territory once again and looking just as silly.
“and remember not to talk!”
And all the people shall say Amen.
“She responded, “I think that’s great!””
Followed by the sound of a windows error and a pair of hourglasses tipping over in her eyes.
Turns out that more people like the President’s views on abortion than Romney’s
Oh, well, this poll changes everything. I’m now going to change my mind and adopt the President’s views.
I would tell the “my body, my choice” that I agree with her. Obviously she chooses to stuff her body with twinkies and ho-ho’s. I support her right to do that. I support her right to not exercise. She can do to HER body whatever she wants to.
Syndey, respectfully, I think the fat jokes are over the line.
Hi Ken, there is a really embarrassing photo of me at my high school Senior Prom with a tan tux and a peach colored shirt. It taunt my children with it and assure them that they will regret some of their outfits one day.
Regarding President Obama, i am a proud and enthusiastic supporter of him. There really isn’t any mystery about it. We’re not “obsequious,” just appreciative I can’t imagine anyone doing a better job in the tough times we’re facing. I have a few disagreements with him, but I wake up every day grateful that he is our President.
Oh, well, this poll changes everything. I’m now going to change my mind and adopt the President’s views.
No, but you might want to change your views on the politics involved. Obama’s views on abortion poll 14 points higher than Romney’s.
Eh, maybe Kelsey. I will admit. But it was truly ironic to me (also a fat lady) that she was holding that sign.
No, but you might want to change your views on the politics involved. Obama’s views on abortion poll 14 points higher than Romney’s.
“Change my views on the politics involved” in what? Abortion? In the “politics” of killing innocent human beings before they’re born?
Yeah, I’m going to totally let an opinion poll supporting pro-infanticide Obama to cause me to change my view on the humanity of the human fetus.
“My body, my choice”….really? Still on that?
And these are supposed to be COLLEGE EDUCATED people?
Just out of curiosity, Hal: Would you change your political persuasion to match a pro-life candidate’s if the majority of the population was pro-life?
Hal, how do you explain these scientific polls (which arguably show that Romney’s stance is closer to the median American than Obama’s)?
http://www.gallup.com/poll/154838/Pro-Choice-Americans-Record-Low.aspx
http://www.gallup.com/poll/148880/Plenty-Common-Ground-Found-Abortion-Debate.aspx
Could it be that Obama appears more credible simply because he’s used the abortion issue to campaign (rather than Romney, who avoids it like the plague)?
Put the sign carrying students aside for a second. What do you suppose an ordinary college student thinks when they see this disengaged mindlessness up close? Do you think they are impressed? Even if a student were inclined to agree with them rather than taking the signs seriously…they are just going think: “What a bunch of goofs.” or “They are really earning that extra credit today.” or “I wonder if I can get the number of that chick on the end?”
Drat. You all were in my neighborhood, and I managed to miss it. I would’ve come out and had some fun conversations!
For several years the pro-aborts have been telling their people not to speak to or have any relationships with pro-life people. There is a special reason for this. Part of their PR strategy is to demonize pro-life people, and tag us with monsterous stereotypes. If pro-choicers and pro-lifers mix socially, get to know each other, and, become friends, the pro-choicers would see that we really aren’t as bad as the hard core pro-aborts portray us to be. We even have some among us that are very loving, caring people. That would ruin the pro-abort stategy. Worse still, from the pro-abort point of view, some pro-choice people might even see that the pro-life people have some legitimate arguments against abortion.
Too much of that in a democratic society and Roe v Wade is toast. So to stop their supporters from leaking over to the pro-life side, they do two things: One, they tell their people that we are monsters who hate women and just want them to suffer and die. Two, they tell their people to never talk to us or have any relationship with us whatsoever. If obeyed, this second strategy helps keep their lies about us believable, and, they hope, their supporters and ultimately, Roe v Wade, in place.
It’s amazing how many people really need the grace of God, and the freedom of Jesus Christ.
My prayer is that those post-abortive women who truly know the Lord would be willing to step forward, use their own personal testimony to free those in bondage to the lies of the devil.
(Which can only happen through the power of the Holy Spirit.)
Actress Jessica Alba asks voters to pledge allegiance to Obama
September 20, 2012 | 7:22 am
http://washingtonexaminer.com/actress-jessica-alba-asks-voters-to-pledge-allegiance-to-obama/article/2508539
The Obama campaign has launched its “For All” campaign, encouraging supporters to take pictures of themselves with their hands on their hearts and a note explaining why they support President Obama.
Actress Jessica Alba uses the Pledge of Allegiance as an example of the campaign in an email to supporters.
Alba joins Hollywood actresses Natalie Portman and Scarlett Johansson by photographing herself with her hand on her heart pledging to vote for Obama.
Obama campaign staffers have also begun posting photos of themselves with the pledge.
“Make sure you’re ready to vote this fall,” Alba writes. “Putting your hand over your heart is making a promise. Casting your ballot is keeping it”
[The messages scrawled on the hands and arms is getting close to the ‘tattoo’ and the ‘pledge of allegiance’ to mr. b0-jangles is like a barney the dinosaur sieg heil.]
EX-RINO,
Have you taken the pledge?
Ex-RINO says: June 10, 2012 at 11:08 pm “For the record, I have three kids, my wife and I would never ever have considered an abortion, and I’m against it as I equate it to murder.”
Ex-RINO says: June 11, 2012 at 7:56 am“…at the end of the day, I’m more likely than not to vote democrRAT…”
Ex-RINO says September 6, 2012 at 8:41pm “I’ve actually started to seriously think about not voting this election.”
Ex-RINO says September 9, 2012 at 8:27pm “I’ve far from decided what I’m going to do this election… I can’t vote for Romney. But beyond that, I’m still deciding.”
Ex-RINO says: September 16, 2012 at 10:08 am “And they [democrRATs] are winning.”
[I have been a Dallas Cowboys fan since I was a child and thru that relationship I learned the meaning of disappointment (sometimes it seemed like betrayal). The ‘boys’ seemed to have acquired a curse for snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. When I finally had 5 anchor babies of my own they inherited my passion for the cowpokes. On Sunday afternoons they would come in the room while I was watching america’s team and ask me if the Cowboys were ‘winning’. By that time I had learned from multiple painful experiences to answer, no matter what the score, “I don’t know yet, the games not over.”
‘You don’t count your money while you’re sittin at the table, There will be time enough for counting when dealins done.”]
“Socialism, in general, has a record of failure so blantant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it.” Thomas Sowell
“The Communist ideas of creating a society in which everyone does his best for the good of everyone is appealing and fundamentally a more uplifting idea than capitalism. Communism’s only real weakness seems to be that it doesn’t work.”— 60 Minutes commentator Andy Rooney in the New York Times, June 26, 1989.
“It’s [communist Soviet Union] short of soap, so there are lice in hospitals. It’s short of pantyhose, so women’s legs go bare. It’s short snowsuits, so babies stay home in winter….The problem isn’t communism; nobody even talked about communism this week. The problem is shortages.” — NBC’s John Chancellor after the failure of a coup attempt in the Soviet Union, August 21, 1991 Nightly News.
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My guess is they didn’t talk because they knew how pointless it was. Debating would get them nothing but frustration because it doesn’t matter what argument pro choicers state. As a matter of fact, it hardly matters what anti choicers state. We all have our own opinions formed. These students were there simply to show the student body that other ideas exist and they are being represented…not to get into cliche and over done arguments.
“We all have our own opinions formed.”
That is definitely not true. Passersby would be influenced by the arguments they heard from the two sides in debate. If debate were only for debaters and not for the audience, then yeah, it would be pointless. When tons of people are happening by and hearing what is said, then that is the time to make the case. Actually it was a perfect opportunity to present arguments without inane interruptions.
“For several years the pro-aborts have been telling their people not to speak to or have any relationships with pro-life people.”
Like the abusive boyfriend who doesn’t want you to have any friends.
It’s sad that they’re so terrified of the truth, when in fact, the truth will set them free.
Becky: “We all have our own opinions formed.”
Fetal development is science, not opinion.
Logical deduction is fact, not opinion.
Actually, I seldom hear of any pro-lifers base their views on opinion.
Pro-aborts, on the other hand, must not only rely entirely on opinion for their views, but those opinions must consistently be either ill-informed and contradict known science and fact (“my body, my choice”) or they must be entirely irrelevant to the issue at hand (“1 in 3 women will have an abortion in her lifetime”).
It is the very tendency of us pro-lifers to give facts, not opinions, that makes pro-aborts unwilling to engage us in debate. They’ve learned that while their entourage may back them up, bystanders often will not, as they will take note of the disparity in reasoning between the pro-lifers and the pro-aborts and they will do what comes naturally; they will question and investigate, both of which, when done honestly and diligently, are fatal to the support of abortion.
Becky: “Debating would get them nothing but frustration”
Such is the rightful outcome of throwing hollow cliches and baseless wishes at solid facts and expecting the facts to be moved.
becky, the term is pro lifers not anti choicers. Just so you know for future reference.
Just as they are afraid of ‘losing ground’ by allowing expectant mothers to ‘see’ their babies on an ultrasound before having an abortion — they are afraid of ‘losing the indoctrinated’ when faced with reality. It’s “Schroedinger’s Choice”: you don’t have to admit to the existence of Life if you can avoid LOOKING. http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150888752446985
I find it to be very effective to approach the subject with young, pro-choice people by educating them this way, “Did you know Planned Parenthood is the leader in promoting and advancing sexual and reproductive rights for adolescents, teens and young adults? Do you know PP profits a billion dollars a year (as a non-profit organization) by being the largest distributor of birth control, the largest distributor of STD testing and the largest provider of abortions? So, let me ask you, don’t you find it disturbing that PP is profiting billions of dollars off of your and your generations sexually risky behaviors”? I close by telling them that I don’t get paid to do what I do – educate on the health benefits of sexual integrity and the life threatening risks of casual sex and, the value of human life. I tell them that I would even fight for their life whether their mother was considering abortion or if they weren’t getting the proper medical care to sustain their life. I speak the truth because I care about them as a human being and because they represent our future. Sadly, these young people are being duped by PP and then bilked for money when these young people seek out their services because of the risks of casual sex. That is what really, really makes me angry about PP. They have no shame in their money making game or in destroying young people’s lives through STD’s, HIV/AIDS and/or abortion. Keep up the good work SFL. Your generation needs your voice and your passion for life.
I find it ironic that so many people who label themselves pro-choice also label themselves as Christians…
Besides the obvious irony of the two labels there’s the fact that as Christians we’re supposed to believe and act upon the idea that “our” bodies are God’s temples. True Christians should try to practice this in every aspect of our lives. All that we’re doing should be giving glory to God. It follows that if what we’re doing with our bodies isn’t giving glory to God then we shouldn’t be doing it.
How is killing or eliminating the potential for life giving glory to God?
Cara, I believe you wrote with good intentions.
But please remember, an abortion is not “killing or eliminating the potential for life.” It is killing a LIFE that is already created! It is eliminating a human LIFE. An egg is “potential.” A sperm is “potential.” Once the two get together, it’s a human life. An unborn human child at any stage of development is a life, a person, a little boy, or a little girl, all DNA is in place… which you probably know. But lots of people don’t know basic embryology/human development… and words like “potential,” when used carelessly, can confuse and mislead. We need to be careful to choose words that reflect the facts surrounding the tiny people we are defending.
And yes, you are right – we who claim to be Christians should align ourselves as closely as possible with Jesus’ teachings and with pre-Jesus, Old Testament commandments and teachings on defending the weak and fatherless, infanticide, and murder. The word “abortion” is nowhere in the Bible, but God’s commands on how we are to treat infants, children, and all people, is clear. :)
An excellent resource is this booklet http://www.abort73.com/PDF/a_biblical_mandate_to_do_something_about_abortion.pdf written by logical and reliable Mike Spielman of http://www.abort73.com
Prochoice- My Body, My Choice
Prolife- My Body, My Choice. Your body, also My Choice.
Prochoice-chooses life
Prolife-Forces life.
I’m kinda pro-life myself but I’m also realistic enough to know that abortions aren’t going to go away if you ban them and in the end it’s more harm than good when women do it illegally. Also I think the right ways to decrease abortion are a) sex ed and birth control, b) supporting families with children, particularly single-parent families, c) legalizing adoption for gay couples.
“c) legalizing adoption for gay couples.”
Matthew, I am 100% in favor of gay couples having the same rights as straight couples, but I am curious as to why you think this particular course of action would reduce abortions. There is already a huge waiting list to adopt even under the current rules, so clearly the low number of adoptions is not due to a lack of prospective adoptive parents.
“Prochoice- My Child’s Body, My Choice”
There, fixed for ya.
“Prochoice-chooses life” or death, you know whichever one you feel like.
“Prolife-Forces life.”
Nice try. Forcing life would mean forcibly impregnating women. Prolife only wishes to stop killing where life already exists. That’s not forcing life any more than banning post-natal murder is. Oh and prochoice forces death on people whose only crime is being unwanted. Funny how you choose to ignore that force.
@JDC
”Forcing life would mean forcibly impregnating women.”
Do you not know what rape is dumbass?? Prolife is in favor of forcing a woman to carry a rape baby to term. How about someone rapes you and then you can have someone else make the decision of what should happen to your body afterwards.
”Prochoice- my childs body, my choice”
DAMN right. It is my child, and without that sucker feeding off of me, it would die. It’s my child and I choose whether or not it can use my body or not as in incubator for nine months.
My child’s body IS MY CHOICE… so quit trying to decide things for my child. You perv.
Prolife is in favor of forcing a woman to carry a rape baby to term.
Ever been pregnant? There isn’t any “force” involved. Pregnancy/childbirth happen naturally, and the typical conclusion is live birth that happens on its own. Abortion would be the use of force though, since mutilation and/or poisoning is forced on the child, and their gestation is forcibly ended prematurely and they are killed.
We are not in support of “forcing a woman to carry a rape baby to term” (although I’m sure those “rape babies” would really enjoy your dehumanizing terminology used here) since I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone around here talk about how awesome rape is and how we should legalize it and begin forcibly inseminating women against their will. We’re just willing to recognize that “rape babies” are people, too. The nerve of us!
It is my child
Glad you recognize that fact. Now, please tell me, other than the case of abortion, when does the law look favorably upon a parent’s refusal to provide and care for their child resulting in that child’s death? Except in the case of abortion currently, how often do cases in which a child is wantonly and intentionally killed by their parent(s) not result in criminal charges of some kind?
Also, referring to mothers as “incubators” and children as “that little sucker” is more dehumanizing/misogynistic language which doesn’t speak very well for your side of the argument, but that’s really neither here nor there.
I applaud these folks for civilly expressing their opinion on anti-choice discourse. I also applaud them for not speaking–they represent the other side of the issue but aren’t suppressing the anti-choice argument either. Everyone’s entitled to their own opinion, yeah?
Additionally, who here thinks that if they were approached by the opposite side, they would forfeit their stance? Disengagement is respectful and, at the end of the day, more productive than shouting at a brick wall.
Nice job, everyone.
What exactly is “anti-choice”? I don’t oppose choices. I’m fond of them. I oppose abortion, because it kills children. But, I think the lack of ability to rationally defend the pro-abortion position speaks volumes.
Jamie, to be horribly blunt I am not going to waste my time trying to have a serious discussion with someone who feels the need to call me a “dumbass” and a “perv” (both are inaccurate characterizations btw) in the same post. Come back when and if you become able to carry on a conversation like an adult.
Oh and Mackie S., the term is pro-life, not anti-choice.